The propoganda against Sony is so blatant from gaming media

You wanna know who has played Killzone and loved the series? The guy who gave it a 7 LOL!

I have unfortunately had the misfortune of playing Killzone 2. Terrible game.

Also, Call of Duty sucks, and it is not a sci-fi shooter. Learn to read, fanboy.

It's like one of those YouTube outbursts. So Sonys launch isn't as perfect as you thought and you're blaming others. Why do cows think they're are owed something. Whenever things don't go your way, it's a conspiracy. Could it be that once again the cows have swallowed too much of Sonys pre-launch hype again? And is it so hard to believe that a Sony title, like Forza, could also have been rushed to launch? No, dear leader would never do that. It's like Sony is your North Korea.

We've known for a while that Knack wouldn't turn out well and Killzone is an average shooter series that might not turn out well. Yet because it's exclusive to Playstation everyone must consider Killzone great. Here's a reality check, Killzone has never been considered special by anyone except Playstation fans who are desperate to convince everyone and themselves that their flagship shooter is anything but slightly above average at best.

The X1 will get just as harsh a treatment. My predictions are:

Ryse will get a 7/10 at best if we're lucky. Forza, I'm hoping for an 8/10. Killer Instinct will get a 7/10 to 8/10 if we're very lucky, although I don't know how KI will get reviewed considering the free to play state of release. Dead Rising 3 7/10 maybe.

No one said MSs launch will go without problems.

And this isn't about MS or the lems either. The only ones that should by all rights be giving the cows a hard time right now over this are the sheep for the BS they've taken with the Wii U from the cows.

i think you hit the nail on the head with that post dude, kudos:)

Thanks man :-) I'm sure the cows will disagree as usual. Let's see.

Well polygon are funded by microsoft so anything they post can be dismissed...but knack seriously sucks and the reset of the gaming press agrees

I can't believe that no one has replied to this yet:

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Like one of the posters there that have mentioned:

The article you linked to said nothing of the sort; it said that Sony saw how people were reacting and capitalized on that with their marketing decisions, as in to make a point of the fact that they don't have this DRM on PS4.

NOTHING to do with changing the system itself.

Go look at this here:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/28/fud-video-on-ps4-and-xbox-one-by-reviewtechusa-is-complete-bogus-heres-some-damning-evidence/

Also, look at posters like Loghorn & EX+ for links of more proof. Sony has never intended to have DRM on PS4 at all, ever.

Anyway, OP, I wouldn't let these posters here get to you. I definitely agree with every word that you said, & it's a shame that most posters here have turned a blind eye to it.

Polygon should be sued for their anti-Sony bias

I got my PS4 last night! I got Killzone and Knack with it.

In total I have now played about 2 hours of Killzone and about 3 hours of Knack, and i can tell you right now, reviewers are full of shit!!!

Im now convinced there is an agenda or bias against Playstation in the gaming media, because Killzone and Knack are FRIGGEN awesone! Both looked stunning, and played great. Couldnt ask for more on launch!

People, please dont listen to these garbage reviewers, you would be denying yourself of two really good fun games. Its been great, and ive thouroughly enjoyed what Ive played so far

I also know my PS4 is getting that trademark long term support from Sony and Sony's amazing first parties.. Infamous and the Order look mind blowingly awesome. I cant wait to play them! So im really excitied about the future of PS4. This is only the begining baby! Love my PS4! Thank you Sony!

P.S I agree with others, f*ck the gaming media. I will never take a word they say seriously

If they "never intended to have DRM on PS4 at all" then explain this:

http://www.ibtimes.com/sony-files-patent-curb-access-used-video-games-1005876

What's more likely:

A). That Sony's launch titles are simply rushed and mediocre games?

B). That Microsoft bribed almost every website?

If you think B is the correct answer you have some serious problems with staying in touch with reality.

Trash launch exclusives, cheaply made hardware, yep conspiracy.

Xbox is officially the apple of video game consoles and only outcast like the android (PlayStation).

I want a PS4 because I have a PS Vita but it hit me today Gears of War is Xbox exclusive. Not buying neither next gen until Gears of War is confirmed.

No one is saying PS4 games are bad. A score of 7 and 8 is decent for a launch game.
X1 will end up as the same.

Gamers playing them both will be rejoicing.

Someone hold this Cow, he is obviously in pain !

As a huge fan of playstation and someone who has owned every console and purchased all but the first on launch, I have to admit that I think Killzone is the WORST franchise Sony actually pushes. To me the only bright spot has been the graphics. The story is poor and the controls and gameplay are sluggish. It's sad because I think that Sony has a better franchise in inFamous but it doesn't get the push from Sony like Killzone does. I really wish they would give up on it and push their best franchises like Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo and inFamous and exclude Killzone because not only have the sales not been deserving of Sony's push but neither has the reviews of the games.

http://www.gamechup.com/sony-patent-uncovered-dynamic-content-switching-between-architecturally-distinct-gpus/

Explain this one file December last year does the PS4 has 2 GPU.?

Is call patent trolling maybe sony knew MS was going to try to control used game and they decide to patent a form just to get money if MS cross the patent...

Nice impartial source. "sarcasm". Dualshockers, a biased PS fanboy website.

Here are impartial sources for proof. You are the one that is wrong. How is letting the publishers decide whether the game has DRM make Sony less guilty? Remember, it isn't the companies that want the DRM policies in place. It is the developers and publishers. Quit being a biased fanboy and open your eyes. I am going to buy the PS4 and Xbox One. But I choose not to be blind to the issues each consoles face.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

"There's gonna be free-to-play, there's gonna be every potential business model on there, and again, that's up to their relationship with the consumer, what do they think is going to put them in the best fit. We're not going to dictate that, we're gonna give them a platform to publish on. The DRM decision is going to have to be answered by the third parties, it's not something we're going to control, or dictate, or mandate, or implement."

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

Quote from article:

But after the outrage and negative feedback from gamers regarding the Xbox One, Sony quietly reversed its policies, finally revealing at E3 that the PS4 will not feature used game DRM. This is according to none other than SCE Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida, who admitted the policy change in a recent interview with Japanese publication Famitsu.

Patent to block second hand used-games.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games

Another interview.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sony-uk-exec-ps4-used-game-question-isnt-clarified-just-yet/

I could go on and on with the sources, unlike you, with the biased website dualshockers.

@tormentos

You are a truly funny blind fanboy, blindly following a company, trying to avoid all the issues like they are non-existent just to make yourself feel better. Coming up with any reason to defend "precious" Sony.

Dualshockers is nowhere near a "PS fanboy website," nor is it "biased." I got plenty of links proving that what you said is not the case & why it's all bullshit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1D14nWsRyw&hd=1

That video was posted back in February earlier this year.

More links below:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games

http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/08/sony-didnt-consider-always-online-for-ps4-yoshida-says/

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1949419/ps4_wont_require_an_internet_connection_confirms_mark_cerny.html

How is letting the publishers decide whether the game has DRM make Sony less guilty? Remember, it isn't the companies that want the DRM policies in place. It is the developers and publishers. Quit being a biased fanboy and open your eyes.

If anything, it's the same as PS3's, & it's in reference to piracy as well as to prevent people from game sharing, like Capcom did with the PS3 versions of Final Fight: Double Impact & Bionic Commando: Rearmed 2.

Do you honestly think that Sony would risk jeopardizing their sales & the destruction of the company, knowing that they need PS4 to be successful? Give me a break, no company is that dumb to do that. And just because that they filed a patent for DRM doesn't mean that they'll exactly implement the feature.

But yeah, you go ahead & believe everything that you hear.

NO DRM period do you have to fu**ing update your firmware on PS4 to be able to use used games.? NOOO..?

Ok then until you have proof you are full of sh** and a patent say sh** millions have been file and never used..

Once again i posted one example just file 1 month before the used game patent does the Ps4 has 2 GPU.?

@Shinobi120:

You are truly an idiot, what does requiring an internet connection have to do with blocking second hand used games? All your sources don't answer the question. You are just clearly dodging the topic. Your sources are from February. My sources are much more recent, during June, near E3.

Quote from IGN article with regards to DRM patent that applies technology to BLOCK games even WITHOUT an internet connection:

According to NeoGAF member gofreak(NOTE: THERE IS DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE FOR THE PATENT), the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work.

Also about used games:

Please read this quote from my first source from Jack Tretton, CEO of Sony America himself: http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

"There's gonna be free-to-play, there's gonna be every potential business model on there, and again, that's up to their relationship with the consumer, what do they think is going to put them in the best fit. We're not going to dictate that, we're gonna give them a platform to publish on. The DRM decision is going to have to be answered by the third parties, it's not something we're going to control, or dictate, or mandate, or implement."

But after the outrage of that by fans, Sony changed this policy : http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

The first source you cited, with the eurogamer interview didn't even answer whether used games would be blocked. Yoshida was being very dodgy about it.

Quote from article:

I sat down with Yoshida a few hours after the PS4 reveal tonight and one of the first things I asked was whether used games would be blocked.

"Do you want us to do that?" he asked.

No, I said. I think, if you buy something on a disc, that you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on.

Do you agree, I asked?

"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation."

Take note, there is no confirmation there that they wouldn't be blocking used games. That was only Yoshida's expectation, he never confirmed anything.

But what can we do, when a blind Sony fanboy like you will come to the defense of Sony even if crap is shoved down your throat. Also, please stop making assumptions about Sony, thinking that you know what they will do. Speculation does not serve as evidence.

Old sources for you seem to be better than new sources with NEW information.

Um, the PS3 versions of Final Fight: Double Impact & Bionic Commando: Rearmed 2 required an internet connection, based off of preventing piracy & game sharing. LOL. The same will most likely happen with PS4 as well.

If Sony were to add DRM inside the PS4, they were only PRETENDING to have it inside the console to make Microsoft believe that they were going for it. Plus he just recently called ReviewtechUSA's comments on PS4 having DRM bullshit on Twitter not too long ago.

https://twitter.com/yosp/status/394805559175553024

I'm not no "blind Sony fanboy," OK? I'm a big fan of Nintendo's & Sony's products, but I owned a Xbox 360 last gen as well as a PS3, & have many games for the Xbox 360. Heck, I constantly praised the Xbox 360 last gen on this very forum. And I'm not an idiot, so in that matter, screw you.

But yeah, you keep on believing what you want to hear & think that a company like Sony is dumb enough to risk having SCE &/or their entire company collapsing over doing something dumb like DRM. I'm out.

@Shinobi120:

Quote from IGN article with regards to DRM patent that applies technology to BLOCK games even WITHOUT an internet connection: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games

According to NeoGAF member gofreak(NOTE: THERE IS DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE FOR THE PATENT), the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work.

The patent was specifically to block used games even without the use of the internet to block them.

But yeah, keep denying that butthurt fanboy. Keep speculating about what Sony will do. You can become an analyst. "Sarcasm" You have not cited a single piece of evidence that says Sony never considered DRM for the PS4.

@tormentos

Never did I say that Sony has implemented the DRM for the PS4. All I was saying that Sony was CONSIDERING putting DRM on the PS4, as evidenced by the sources I have put in the previous post. Microsoft was also considering putting DRM on the Xbox One, but they have since reversed that decision due to negative feedback. Microsoft was pretty vocal about it, but Sony was playing safe by keeping quiet.

Did you misunderstand me? Please do learn how to read.

Oh, in case you think that the Xbox One has DRM, no it doesn't. Microsoft has reversed many of their policies. You can sell/lend any used game to anybody with both the PS4 and Xbox One.

So filing a patent means that they'll automatically do it, right? Gotcha. Also:

I suppose I should say that this doesn't mean PS4 will, for sure, restrict second hand games. This would not be the first time Sony registered patents in this area and then did nothing with the tech. In fact I remember a patent fueling rumours prior to PS3's launch. The decision would be a business one, not one based on technical feasibility. This system would be relatively expensive to implement vs network-DRM. Although it could have the double effect of limiting piracy - at least until pirates could hack or reproduce the 'rf tag' system.

The last official comment we had from someone at Sony was Jack Tretton's "'for the record, I'm totally opposed to blocking used games."

@Shinobi120:

It doesn't mean they will automatically do it, but that meant that they were considering doing it.

Jack Tretton's comment only came after the outburst regarding the used game policy, but his previous comments regarding third-party publishers deciding whether to block used games says a lot about what Sony was considering to do.

It means they were considering it. In the end they didn't do it so all's good but anyone who believes they never considered it is delusional or just ignorant. They looked at it all the way back on the PS3. Anyway they didn't do it so why is it so hard for cows to admit they thought about it. Seriously it's like some people on here actually believe Sony is perfect. They are a major corporation and devs and publishers have been pushing for drm on consoles since at least the build up to the 360 and PS3. The fact that they thought about it isn't a knock against Sony for cryin' out loud it's just part of the gaming landscape. It's pure common sense.

Cows are the most deluded fanboys by a country mile.