The PS3 deserved to fail

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Yes, it was quite costly, but the price is coming down slowly but surely.
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Uh, I have a 720p HDTV and the difference is staggering. And it has dozens of great, great movies. You just have not looked.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• They took after MS. :D
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• I would argue, but game taste is subjective.
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• See above.
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.
• I personally like the controller, but that is subjective as well.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

I having a blast with mine. And hoping to get a 360 soon if I can save a couple of bucks working.

Sorry you feel that way about the PS3, but you shouldn't want it to fail.

Only fanboys want systems to fail.

the price is right for what you get. blu-ray is the next format. the PS3 has the best blu-ray player. have you whatch a movie or played in 1080p?

the exclusives rate high. ratchet and clank is nothing like mario. plus it has uncharted, your god of war clone, resistance, FI, AND THOSE BROKEN NONEXCLUSIVES............whatever. oblivion,burnout, COD4, DMC4, ridge racer, full auto, fight night....all better on PS3.

the controller is considered the best design out worldwide. and it will have rumble soon. at least it has a charger built in. the other systems dont do they?

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

So, if the PS3 has a come back and kicks the 360 into last place...will you think the 360 "deserves" to be last place? Or will you make excuses about how poor MS is always persecuted and treated unfairly by those bullying customers.

You bash it so much, then are optimistic about it's future? You're a strange person.juhansoo12

So fatr it has been a crap an its failure has been well deserved. Cows are always crying about how it deserved to do well but it really didn't. That said it is steadily improving. Online is getting better, the Dual Shock 3 is coming out, devs are getting used to the hardware and there's some amazing looking exclusives coming to the console.

So, if the PS3 has a come back and kicks the 360 into last place...will you think the 360 "deserves" to be last place?

ZIMdoom

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

OMG, what a load of crap you spit out.

Price - it was what it was due to manufacturing costs. Those have gone down, so has the price.

Blu-ray - No difference from SD unless 1080p? And then ist not that much better than DVD's? :lol: You must be a SDTV owner. No one with experince with HD images would say something so far off base.

SKUs - What? I love this from lemmings. MS has released quite a fw SKUs for the 360, each one varying from its game playing abilities. Some have HDD, some don't. Some have HDMI some don't. EVERY PS3 SKU that has been released will allow you to play ANY PS3 game, ANY. All have HDD, all have HDMI, all have blu-ray, etc. etc. All the average consumer wants is the cheapest model. And that's what Sony has been working towards.

Worthless Exclusives - :lol: Yeah, Warhawk is crap. Uncharted is aweful. No, PS3 has no good games. I'll admit, there isn't much to counter the all-around quality of Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears with the PS3. But look at when those titles were released for 360 and look at how old the PS3 is now. I think we can all say 2008 looks to be a great showing for PS3 titles.

Worthless multiplats - Burnout Paradise? Oblivion? CoD4? Assassins Creed? tell where you find an edge for the 360 in those games.

Worhtless Controller - Yeah, adding the six-axis is crap. I hate playing burbnout like I steering a wheel. Lame. You, like most, have used the six-axis for a very limited time.

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

Sony has fixed all of its problems except blu-ray which is a benefit not a problem (games like MGS4 are getting close to using a 25gb single layer BD). It may have not started out the best but it fixed the problems it had so it doesn't deserve to fail. This thread deserves and did fail.

OMG, what a load of crap you spit out.

Price - it was what it was due to manufacturing costs. Those have gone down, so has the price.

Blu-ray - No difference from SD unless 1080p? And then ist not that much better than DVD's? :lol: You must be a SDTV owner. No one with experince with HD images would say something so far off base.

SKUs - What? I love this from lemmings. MS has released quite a fw SKUs for the 360, each one varying from its game playing abilities. Some have HDD, some don't. Some have HDMI some don't. EVERY PS3 SKU that has been released will allow you to play ANY PS3 game, ANY. All have HDD, all have HDMI, all have blu-ray, etc. etc. All the average consumer wants is the cheapest model. And that's what Sony has been working towards.

Worthless Exclusives - :lol: Yeah, Warhawk is crap. Uncharted is aweful. No, PS3 has no good games. I'll admit, there isn't much to counter the all-around quality of Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears with the PS3. But look at when those titles were released for 360 and look at how old the PS3 is now. I think we can all say 2008 looks to be a great showing for PS3 titles.

Worthless multiplats - Burnout Paradise? Oblivion? CoD4? Assassins Creed? tell where you find an edge for the 360 in those games.

Worhtless Controller - Yeah, adding the six-axis is crap. I hate playing burbnout like I steering a wheel. Lame. You, like most, have used the six-axis for a very limited time.

The_Crucible

oh the irony - please stop Crucible (looks at sig, bursts in to laughter) hahahahahahaha.

You bash it so much, then are optimistic about it's future? You're a strange person.juhansoo12

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

oh the irony - please stop Crucible (looks at sig, bursts in to laughter) hahahahahahaha.

3picuri3

They jumped ship on the xbox. What makes you think they won't on the 360?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

oh the irony - please stop Crucible (looks at sig, bursts in to laughter) hahahahahahaha.

The_Crucible

They jumped ship on the xbox. What makes you think they won't on the 360?

the vastly increased user base and incredible success they've had this go compared to the meager original xbox generation.

it's called business.

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

actually it seserves to succeed.prodiqy32

lol no, it really does deserve to have failed, sony will learn next time

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

SpruceCaboose

omg - another one arguing quality.

i'd care if the quality gap was similar to that of VHS - DVD, but it's nowhere close to it and BluRay still gets artifacting like most optical storage.

i'll replace my dvd collection and start to care about a new format when it's leap in visual quality justifies the cost of a player and a new library, until then - i'm fine with what i have.

and to end - the PS3 is supposed to be a gaming system. and bluray has yet to impress me with gaming, when it does i'll care about it in a gaming sense :P

I having a blast with mine. And hoping to get a 360 soon if I can save a couple of bucks working.

Sorry you feel that way about the PS3, but you shouldn't want it to fail.

Only fanboys want systems to fail.

hayato_

lol gameboy had tilt now. so now only AAA exclusives are good now even though those game you mention gamespot is the only site that did not score AAA on those games.

and how can warhawk be bad when it scores a 8.5 for online only game how did showdow run turn out.

deserves to fail but 30% failure rate console does not.

the most reliable sony system ever created you want to fail.

blu-ray no good movies i guess 90% of the movie studios that support have all crappy movies.

let me guess you like Sound of music or Grease type movies then.

tilt at least they put something in there controlers because they could not use rumble.

what has microsoft brang to the vidoe game indastry that you can call your own inovation. nothing they copy every other company more than any of them.

tell me how you expect to have exclusives like ps 2 or 360 only a year old.

so how has the ps3 failed?bluewrxman

horrible hardware sales, horrible software sales, poor public perception, rapidly losing developer support

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

3picuri3

omg - another one arguing quality.

i'd care if the quality gap was similar to that of VHS - DVD, but it's nowhere close to it and BluRay still gets artifacting like most optical storage.

i'll replace my dvd collection and start to care about a new format when it's leap in visual quality justifies the cost of a player and a new library, until then - i'm fine with what i have.

and to end - the PS3 is supposed to be a gaming system. and bluray has yet to impress me with gaming, when it does i'll care about it in a gaming sense :P

The PS3 is most likely going to be successful (all three systems will be)... You make a good point in saying those who wait will win out with this system- it is so true. I'm probably not going to buy one until the end of this year and by then a few things may happen:

40gb at $299
Rumble Controller comes with system (I hate the current PS3 controller - it feels chintzy like a hollow piece of plastic. Plus I think rumble is huge. Without it the controller feels lifeless)
It will finally have some killer exclusives like FFXIII.

Sooo... I don't think it deserves to fail, but I am holding back until the things I mention above occur.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

3picuri3

omg - another one arguing quality.

i'd care if the quality gap was similar to that of VHS - DVD, but it's nowhere close to it and BluRay still gets artifacting like most optical storage.

i'll replace my dvd collection and start to care about a new format when it's leap in visual quality justifies the cost of a player and a new library, until then - i'm fine with what i have.

and to end - the PS3 is supposed to be a gaming system. and bluray has yet to impress me with gaming, when it does i'll care about it in a gaming sense :P

The quality is staggering. If you don't care enough, fine, but the difference is very real and very obvious.

[QUOTE="bluewrxman"]so how has the ps3 failed?the_h_bomb

horrible hardware sales, horrible software sales, poor public perception, rapidly losing developer support

You hate an inanimate object. Something very wrong with that.Aljosa23

Oh, get off your high horse. You've never used that expression before? Ever? You've never said, "I hate that car/price/shirt/food/etc."?

Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

the_h_bomb

I agree with this.

[QUOTE="bluewrxman"]so how has the ps3 failed?the_h_bomb

horrible hardware sales, horrible software sales, poor public perception, rapidly losing developer support

but last time i checked they are still making them and selling them which means it has not failed......and the hardware sales are not that bad, wasn't it close to what the 360 sold on it's first year...and it did that even though it had horrible games, according to you

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

GARRYTH

omg - another one arguing quality.

i'd care if the quality gap was similar to that of VHS - DVD, but it's nowhere close to it and BluRay still gets artifacting like most optical storage.

i'll replace my dvd collection and start to care about a new format when it's leap in visual quality justifies the cost of a player and a new library, until then - i'm fine with what i have.

and to end - the PS3 is supposed to be a gaming system. and bluray has yet to impress me with gaming, when it does i'll care about it in a gaming sense :P

no, because i don't consider the quality increase to be significant enough, not in the least. and i'm a cinema studies graduate with a 1080p HDTV, so i think i know my stuff. sitting 10-12 feet back (as suggested with my TV) the difference is negligible, and like i said - bluray still gets artifacting.

i'm old enough to smell a flop when it comes, laserdisc was hyped and somewhat successful for a bit and look what happened. i never bite until 2 years in - just not a smart investment.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

3picuri3

omg - another one arguing quality.

i'd care if the quality gap was similar to that of VHS - DVD, but it's nowhere close to it and BluRay still gets artifacting like most optical storage.

i'll replace my dvd collection and start to care about a new format when it's leap in visual quality justifies the cost of a player and a new library, until then - i'm fine with what i have.

and to end - the PS3 is supposed to be a gaming system. and bluray has yet to impress me with gaming, when it does i'll care about it in a gaming sense :P

I love these false comparisons between VHS/DVD and DVD/Blu-ray. It so far off base its not even funny.

VHS to DVD helped us in one major way, no generation loss. You can copy digital files as many times as you want without losing quality. VHS tapes, however, degreade ever copy and over time. Did DVD give us a higher resolution than VHS? No. Did it give us better native quality? No. Again, all it did was keep a 720x480 image from losing quality over time, nothing else.

DVD to blu-ray, or HD, is quite different. We go from a 720x480 image to 1280x720, or 1920x1080. That is a huge leap in quality while still maintaining the advantages DVD had over VHS, no generation loss.

So, as you can see, HD is way better than DVD. And to bring VHS into the conversation only shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

The_Crucible

omg - another one arguing quality.

i'd care if the quality gap was similar to that of VHS - DVD, but it's nowhere close to it and BluRay still gets artifacting like most optical storage.

i'll replace my dvd collection and start to care about a new format when it's leap in visual quality justifies the cost of a player and a new library, until then - i'm fine with what i have.

and to end - the PS3 is supposed to be a gaming system. and bluray has yet to impress me with gaming, when it does i'll care about it in a gaming sense :P

I love these false comparisons between VHS/DVD and DVD/Blu-ray. It so far off base its not even funny.

VHS to DVD helped us in one major way, no generation loss. You can copy digital files as many times as you want without losing quality. VHS tapes, however, degreade ever copy and over time. Did DVD give us a higher resolution than VHS? No. Did it give us better native quality? No. Again, all it did was keep a 720x480 image from losing quality over time, nothing else.

DVD to blu-ray, or HD, is quite different. We go from a 720x480 image to 1280x720, or 1920x1080. That is a huge leap in quality while still maintaining the advantages DVD had over VHS, no generation loss.

So, as you can see, HD is way better than DVD. And to bring VHS into the conversation only shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

you just tried to say there was no quality increase from VHS to DVD. i believe that would be an epic fail. after reading that i seriously cannot bring myself to complete reading your post.

with sincere apologies,

3picur3

The PS3 is most likely going to be successful (all three systems will be)... You make a good point in saying those who wait will win out with this system- it is so true. I'm probably not going to buy one until the end of this year and by then a few things may happen:

40gb at $299
Rumble Controller comes with system (I hate the current PS3 controller - it feels chintzy like a hollow piece of plastic. Plus I think rumble is huge. Without it the controller feels lifeless)
It will finally have some killer exclusives like FFXIII.

Sooo... I don't think it deserves to fail, but I am holding back until the things I mention above occur.

tm0054

Yours is the most sensible attitude and echoes my own thoughts. I don't think the PS3 deserves to be a failure for the rest of its shelf life but i maintain that so far it has deserved everything it got. Like you i'm waiting it out, i want a BC Ps3 with a decent hard drive and a DS3 for about 400 dollars.

Uhhh lets see here the PS3 is cheaper than the xbox360 why don't people understand this!

Xbox360- $399 for pro console, 1 year Xbox live $60, a charger for your controler $30. this equals up to $490 which is only $10 cheaper than the 80GB PS3 and is $90 MORE than the 40GB. This is not including the $100 HD-DVD player or the $100 dollar Wi-fi attena. which would equal up to $690 which is more than the launch price of the PS3. You will also need to pay $60 dollars a year for as long as you want Live, and the PS3 has more HDD space.

All these prices are in canadian BTW.Both systems are great but please people stop saying the price of the PS3 is more because it is actually way cheaper.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

I love these false comparisons between VHS/DVD and DVD/Blu-ray. It so far off base its not even funny.

VHS to DVD helped us in one major way, no generation loss. You can copy digital files as many times as you want without losing quality. VHS tapes, however, degreade ever copy and over time. Did DVD give us a higher resolution than VHS? No. Did it give us better native quality? No. Again, all it did was keep a 720x480 image from losing quality over time, nothing else.

DVD to blu-ray, or HD, is quite different. We go from a 720x480 image to 1280x720, or 1920x1080. That is a huge leap in quality while still maintaining the advantages DVD had over VHS, no generation loss.

So, as you can see, HD is way better than DVD. And to bring VHS into the conversation only shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

3picuri3

you just tried to say there was no quality increase from VHS to DVD. i believe that would be an epic fail. after reading that i seriously cannot bring myself to complete reading your post.

with sincere apologies,

3picur3

We all know the real reason you couldn't finish it. It proves you wrong and you have no comeback. READ IT, there was no native quality boost from VHS to DVD, it was about not having quality loss not quality itself.

VHS resolution - 720x480
DVD resolution - 720x480

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

I love these false comparisons between VHS/DVD and DVD/Blu-ray. It so far off base its not even funny.

VHS to DVD helped us in one major way, no generation loss. You can copy digital files as many times as you want without losing quality. VHS tapes, however, degreade ever copy and over time. Did DVD give us a higher resolution than VHS? No. Did it give us better native quality? No. Again, all it did was keep a 720x480 image from losing quality over time, nothing else.

DVD to blu-ray, or HD, is quite different. We go from a 720x480 image to 1280x720, or 1920x1080. That is a huge leap in quality while still maintaining the advantages DVD had over VHS, no generation loss.

So, as you can see, HD is way better than DVD. And to bring VHS into the conversation only shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

The_Crucible

you just tried to say there was no quality increase from VHS to DVD. i believe that would be an epic fail. after reading that i seriously cannot bring myself to complete reading your post.

with sincere apologies,

3picur3

We all know the real reason you couldn't finish it. It proves you wrong and you have no comeback. READ IT, there was no native quality boost from VHS to DVD, it was about not having quality loss not quality itself.

VHS resolution - 720x480
DVD resolution - 720x480

We all know the real reason you couldn't finish it. It proves you wrong and you have no comeback. READ IT, there was no native quality boost from VHS to DVD, it was about not having quality loss not quality itself.

VHS resolution - 720x480
DVD resolution - 720x480

The_Crucible

listen buddy - i know a hell of a lot more about media formats than you and your family combined.

>> Horizontal Resolution (per picture height)
>>
>>
>> Standard 4:3 ratio:
>> -------------------
>> 240 standard VHS or Betamax
>> 330 cable tv
>> 400 S-VHS or laserdisc
>> 540 DVD
>>
>>
>>
>> Widescreen 16:9
>> ---------------
>> 405 DVD
>> 720 HD 720p
>> 1080 HD 1080i
>>
>>
>> Expressed in a manner that people are more familiar with:
>> 320 x 486 - vhs
>> 533 x 486 - S-vhs / laserdisc
>> 720 x 480 - dvd

Memorize that list, it represents the differences in Horizontal resolutions for different media formats taken from AVSForums, a place full of people that work with this for a living - like I do.

Some people have posted FUD on the internet saying this doesn't make a difference on a standard TV due to interlacing - this is true. but more people now own sets that are HD / do progressive scanning / allow for non-interlaced images. this represents 2x the vertical representation of pixels in a solid band instead of interlaced.

Add on top of this DVDs ability to upscale and your argument totally fails.

You can't just google and cherry pick your arguments when people with heads on their shoulders surround you crucible.

So you're saying VHS and DVD have the same picture and sound quality?MacaroniMoses

yeah - because some googling told him so, unfortunately google didn't take him to a reliable source.

lol gameboy had tilt now. GARRYTH

Yes... Yes it did...

None of the current systems are going to "fail". I'm not sure if 3 major players in the console market is good or bad for gamers, but there is good stuff on all 3 systems. We all only have so much time for gaming anyway. You can't lose in this gen. The grass isn't greener on the other side.....it's like the same, gosh!!! You really can't go wrong with this gen, unlike the poor kid in the mid 90's who got an atari jaguar for Christmas, lol! If you arent' Hi-Def yet with the TV, get a Wii. If you are Hi Def, flip a coin to decide between 360 and PS3 :P

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

We all know the real reason you couldn't finish it. It proves you wrong and you have no comeback. READ IT, there was no native quality boost from VHS to DVD, it was about not having quality loss not quality itself.

VHS resolution - 720x480
DVD resolution - 720x480

3picuri3

listen buddy - i know a hell of a lot more about media formats than you and your family combined.

>> Horizontal Resolution (per picture height)
>>
>>
>> Standard 4:3 ratio:
>> -------------------
>> 240 standard VHS or Betamax
>> 330 cable tv
>> 400 S-VHS or laserdisc
>> 540 DVD
>>
>>
>>
>> Widescreen 16:9
>> ---------------
>> 405 DVD
>> 720 HD 720p
>> 1080 HD 1080i
>>
>>
>> Expressed in a manner that people are more familiar with:
>> 320 x 486 - vhs
>> 533 x 486 - S-vhs / laserdisc
>> 720 x 480 - dvd

Memorize that list, it represents the differences in Horizontal resolutions for different media formats taken from AVSForums, a place full of people that work with this for a living - like I do.

Some people have posted FUD on the internet saying this doesn't make a difference on a standard TV due to interlacing - this is true. but more people now own sets that are HD / do progressive scanning / allow for non-interlaced images. this represents 2x the vertical representation of pixels in a solid band instead of interlaced.

Add on top of this DVDs ability to upscale and your argument totally fails.

You can't just google and cherry pick your arguments when people with heads on their shoulders surround you crucible.

I don't debate you on resolution, but for you to actually say that you cannot see a difference between HD discs and DVD is absurd. And for you to deride the PQ of Blu-Ray leads me to believe that you have only had experience with 1st gen BDs or you have never saw a properly set up, HD disc source.

The difference is vast, especially for someone who claims to be in film studies. HD discs give a much more cinematic lend to the films, since the clarity is more closely on par with a film print. Obviously its not exact, but much closer than DVD could ever come.

• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• the_h_bomb

I really don't have any respect for you now. I thought this way at first too, but now with the price drop and good exclusives coming out, I don't think that way anymore. So I don't really care about your opinion on the PS3 itself, but then you went and bashed R&C... I grew up on those games. R&C was the first game I got for my PS2, and the first game series I played and owned all of... And by saying that it was a mario knockof just made me have less rspect for you. Since when did mario use the rino? Or get in hoverboard races? or fight neopet knockoffs? check the games you bash before you hate them...

[QUOTE="MacaroniMoses"] So you're saying VHS and DVD have the same picture and sound quality?3picuri3

yeah - because some googling told him so, unfortunately google didn't take him to a reliable source.

Tell me that the biggest difference in VHs to DVD isn't the generation loss. And don't act like I know nothing about videos. It is my job as well.

With your vast amounts of knowledge, are you actually telling me the leap in resolution from DVD to HD is less than VHS to DVD?