The PS3 deserved to fail

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

Well,thats what i call PS3-hater.... That was serious bashing :P

I can counter all your claimings but i wont,because with haters there isnt any reason to.

[QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

[QUOTE="bluewrxman"]so how has the ps3 failed?GARRYTH

horrible hardware sales, horrible software sales, poor public perception, rapidly losing developer support

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

We all know the real reason you couldn't finish it. It proves you wrong and you have no comeback. READ IT, there was no native quality boost from VHS to DVD, it was about not having quality loss not quality itself.

VHS resolution - 720x480
DVD resolution - 720x480

SpruceCaboose

listen buddy - i know a hell of a lot more about media formats than you and your family combined.

>> Horizontal Resolution (per picture height)
>>
>>
>> Standard 4:3 ratio:
>> -------------------
>> 240 standard VHS or Betamax
>> 330 cable tv
>> 400 S-VHS or laserdisc
>> 540 DVD
>>
>>
>>
>> Widescreen 16:9
>> ---------------
>> 405 DVD
>> 720 HD 720p
>> 1080 HD 1080i
>>
>>
>> Expressed in a manner that people are more familiar with:
>> 320 x 486 - vhs
>> 533 x 486 - S-vhs / laserdisc
>> 720 x 480 - dvd

Memorize that list, it represents the differences in Horizontal resolutions for different media formats taken from AVSForums, a place full of people that work with this for a living - like I do.

Some people have posted FUD on the internet saying this doesn't make a difference on a standard TV due to interlacing - this is true. but more people now own sets that are HD / do progressive scanning / allow for non-interlaced images. this represents 2x the vertical representation of pixels in a solid band instead of interlaced.

Add on top of this DVDs ability to upscale and your argument totally fails.

You can't just google and cherry pick your arguments when people with heads on their shoulders surround you crucible.

I don't debate you on resolution, but for you to actually say that you cannot see a difference between HD discs and DVD is absurd. And for you to deride the PQ of Blu-Ray leads me to believe that you have only had experience with 1st gen BDs or you have never saw a properly set up, HD disc source.

The difference is vast, especially for someone who claims to be in film studies. HD discs give a much more cinematic lend to the films, since the clarity is more closely on par with a film print. Obviously its not exact, but much closer than DVD could ever come.

Blu Ray looks absolutely stunning on a 60" 1080p set. There is no doubt about it! DVD can't touch Blu Ray in that environment.

On say a 32" 720p set (which is closer to what the average person might own) the benefit of upgrading to Blu Ray is debatable. The picture quality is def a bit better than DVD but it falls short of spectacular. Especially if you are using a good upscaler or your TV upscales the picture nicely. Of course, on a standard def TV there is no benefit to upgrading to Blu Ray.

I don't debate you on resolution, but for you to actually say that you cannot see a difference between HD discs and DVD is absurd. And for you to deride the PQ of Blu-Ray leads me to believe that you have only had experience with 1st gen BDs or you have never saw a properly set up, HD disc source.

The difference is vast, especially for someone who claims to be in film studies. HD discs give a much more cinematic lend to the films, since the clarity is more closely on par with a film print. Obviously its not exact, but much closer than DVD could ever come.

SpruceCaboose

sitting the recommended distance from my television, I do not. but my TV and my player upscale (to give better insight, i sit about 12 feet back from a 37 inch 1080p LCD HDTV - maybe if it was 60 inches and I was sitting closer than I should ((do people even realize that with 60 inches you're supposed to sit like 20 feet back? lol)))

in bestbuy where they show unscaled DVD against HD-DVD / BluRay of course I notice a difference, but you're standing right next to it usually - and to me it doesn't justify the cost of replacing my entire catalog.

i'm not blind :) it's just not the same difference to me as VHS to DVD was, and i'm old enough to have had to replace my VHS collection -- so it stings a bit when these times roll around, and after living through beta / laserdisc, i'm willing to sit this one out based on what i've seen. i'm not that much of a visual purist to be compelled to spend 2500-3000$ to replace my entire collection just yet.

esp considering a new format is supposed to be coming out in 2-3 years with the SHD tv sets ;)

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

[QUOTE="bluewrxman"]so how has the ps3 failed?Riverwolf007

horrible hardware sales, horrible software sales, poor public perception, rapidly losing developer support

So the ps3 is failing cause it is in last just like the xbox1 failed last gen.:roll:

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

oh the irony - please stop Crucible (looks at sig, bursts in to laughter) hahahahahahaha.

The_Crucible

They jumped ship on the xbox. What makes you think they won't on the 360?

The reason Sony still supports the PS2 and MS stopped supporting XBox is very simple:

The PS2 is a cash cow for Sony so why would they kill it off? They own all the components so were able to decrease costs to the point where they are making a profit while selling it for $129. The original XBox was made of all third party components which MS has no control over - therefore making it unprofitable even at$170, so of course they stopped production when the 360 began.

With the 360 MS owns the components and will be able to reduce cost in the same way as SONY did with PS2 and will with PS3.

Do you really think if the PS2 was unprofitable at this point Sony would still be producing and backing it?

The fact is PS2 is at this time subsidizing the PS3, why would Sony kill off what at this point is keeping them afloat.(but to some extent it may start backfiring as the PS2 is still more popular). On the other hand original Xbox at this point would be an anchor around MS's ankle. 360 after two years has become profitable on the hardware side, they will not kill it off immediately as it will subsidize the next Xbox in its first two years of existence.

The only reason the PS2 is still supported is because it is profitable, not because Sony loves you.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

[QUOTE="bluewrxman"]so how has the ps3 failed?GARRYTH

horrible hardware sales, horrible software sales, poor public perception, rapidly losing developer support

Don't ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

oh the irony - please stop Crucible (looks at sig, bursts in to laughter) hahahahahahaha.

thew13

They jumped ship on the xbox. What makes you think they won't on the 360?

The reason Sony still supports the PS2 and MS stopped supporting XBox is very simple:

The PS2 is a cash cow for Sony so why would they kill it off? They own all the components so were able to decrease costs to the point where they are making a profit while selling it for $129. The original XBox was made of all third party components which MS has no control over - therefore making it unprofitable even at$170, so of course they stopped production when the 360 began.

With the 360 MS owns the components and will be able to reduce cost in the same way as SONY did with PS2 and will with PS3.

Do you really think if the PS2 was unprofitable at this point Sony would still be producing and backing it?

The fact is PS2 is at this time subsidizing the PS3, why would Sony kill off what at this point is keeping them afloat.(but to some extent it may start backfiring as the PS2 is still more popular). On the other hand original Xbox at this point would be an anchor around MS's ankle. 360 after two years has become profitable on the hardware side, they will not kill it off immediately as it will subsidize the next Xbox in its first two years of existence.

The only reason the PS2 is still supported is because it is profitable, not because Sony loves you.

Somehow, you missed your own points.

No, I don't think Sony loves me. Yes, the PS2 is still selling and Siony is still supporting it because its selling. That is all obvious.

But then you talk about how xbox was manufactured with third-party componenets. A choice MS made, no one else. And Xbox failed and had to be dropped because of those poor agreements and poor decisions. Its the same thing that has plagued the 360 thus far. Poor third-party manufacturing.

So, again, what makes you think MS won't jump ship again? They are still far from making good hardware, profitable or not.

Somehow, you missed your own points.

No, I don't think Sony loves me. Yes, the PS2 is still selling and Siony is still supporting it because its selling. That is all obvious.

But then you talk about how xbox was manufactured with third-party componenets. A choice MS made, no one else. And Xbox failed and had to be dropped because of those poor agreements and poor decisions. Its the same thing that has plagued the 360 thus far. Poor third-party manufacturing.

So, again, what makes you think MS won't jump ship again? They are still far from making good hardware, profitable or not.

The_Crucible

wth are you talking about crucible? the xbox didn't fail because of hardware problems - if you think that then you need a serious console history lesson complete with charts and diagrams.

and what happened to your mysterious extra lines of resolution for VHS? noticed you didn't respond :P

"Worthless exclusives." Thats totally subjective, a lot of people enjoy those "worthless exclusives" and while i dont have a ps3 yet i really want to play them.

As for the multiplats. Yes, they are usually worse and some of them are absolutely terrible, but while they are worse the difference is minimal and something you shouldn't care about much while playing them. Of course there are the terrible multi-plats like Orange Box, F.E.A.R and from what we've seen, turok, but everyone knows these games are terrible and no one tried to argue that they are good. (i hope)

As for the whole "PS3 deserved to fail" thing. I've seen some of your posts and i'm pretty sure you're not a fanboy, but that was an extremely fanboyish comment. No gamer should want a console to fail, more games and another console cannot possibly be seen as a bad thing in my eyes and i hope most manticores think that way too.

That may have seemed a bit harsh but it wasn't intended to.

Wow TC, you have to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this forum.

For me the PS3 has been far from a failure. In fact, I've purchased more games in 2007 than any other year. I only own a PS3 but the exclusives are fun. Playing Uncharted, Resistance, and several multiplats has been great. I guess I can see how anyone that owns both might prefer their 360 because it has a bigger library but as far as multiplats go, they're the same, unlike the first multiplats when the PS3 launched. But go ahead, bash the PS3 to hell and call it a failure, it makes no difference to me. Terrible software sales, you say? It beat PC software in 2007, who's failing now? Before you accuse me of not buying games, I own nine PS3 games currently and will have about ten more by the end of the year. I buy most of them online, as do some others, and NPD does not track online sales.

Actually when you look at the bigger picture the 360 deserves to fail, MS rushed the market and therefore resulted in millions of gamers that had to suffer the death march of the dread RROD epidemic.

sure it has great games and such but the hardware is ass burgers, absolute crap.

but it is getting better.

A_New_Life

k, sorry - anyone who posts in fonts that large and posts a stupid image like that deserves to be totally ignored.

[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

Actually when you look at the bigger picture the 360 deserves to fail, MS rushed the market and therefore resulted in millions of gamers that had to suffer the death march of the dread RROD epidemic.

sure it has great games and such but the hardware is ass burgers, absolute crap.

but it is getting better.

3picuri3

k, sorry - anyone who posts in fonts that large and posts a stupid image like that deserves to be totally ignored.

You didn't...:roll:

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

SpruceCaboose

Hmm what documentary? The last time I saw a Golden monkey was on "Planet Earth"? Anyway, could you show the pic of Cars? That looks awsome.

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• High Price? $50 more then the 360 plus you get more with the PS3. Add $50 for Xbox Live and you have a $399 and $499 system just like the PS3. Stop hatin' on the price!
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• You must didn't see Saw 4, its on Blu-Ray too. I have a 720p T.V. and I can watch Blu-Ray, this statement is just not true
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Do I get the Arcade, the Pro, the Elite, the Halo....which one comes with the Falcon chip.....dose the Falcon break down, dose the Elite break down....all of them break down....BC or not, PS3 still play PS3 games and do not break down. You need to look at both sides....stop hatin'
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Games are just peoples taste, the 360 has to many FPS's (all there exclusives are FPS's) You argue this from here to the Moon, you CAN'T argue taste.
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• The 360 is on-line based, the PS3 is not, thats why Virtua Fighter 5 is not on-line, but Tekken 6 will be, PSN has Tekken 5 online for download. Have you played the PS3 version of the multiplatform titles? if not then you lost this arguement, he say she say dont work anymore.
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.
• You forgot to mention that the PS3 controller is rechargerable with no extra cost. Rumble? the dual shock 3 has it so whats your point

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

STOP HATIN'

I would love to see a DVD look like this.

And that does not even show off the amazing color reproduction you get on Blu-Ray. I could take a pic of Pixar's Cars if you'd like. That movie is almost pixel perfect on Blu-Ray.

SpruceCaboose

PLanet Earth?

[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

oh the irony - please stop Crucible (looks at sig, bursts in to laughter) hahahahahahaha.

The_Crucible

They jumped ship on the xbox. What makes you think they won't on the 360?

The reason Sony still supports the PS2 and MS stopped supporting XBox is very simple:

The PS2 is a cash cow for Sony so why would they kill it off? They own all the components so were able to decrease costs to the point where they are making a profit while selling it for $129. The original XBox was made of all third party components which MS has no control over - therefore making it unprofitable even at$170, so of course they stopped production when the 360 began.

With the 360 MS owns the components and will be able to reduce cost in the same way as SONY did with PS2 and will with PS3.

Do you really think if the PS2 was unprofitable at this point Sony would still be producing and backing it?

The fact is PS2 is at this time subsidizing the PS3, why would Sony kill off what at this point is keeping them afloat.(but to some extent it may start backfiring as the PS2 is still more popular). On the other hand original Xbox at this point would be an anchor around MS's ankle. 360 after two years has become profitable on the hardware side, they will not kill it off immediately as it will subsidize the next Xbox in its first two years of existence.

The only reason the PS2 is still supported is because it is profitable, not because Sony loves you.

Somehow, you missed your own points.

No, I don't think Sony loves me. Yes, the PS2 is still selling and Siony is still supporting it because its selling. That is all obvious.

But then you talk about how xbox was manufactured with third-party componenets. A choice MS made, no one else. And Xbox failed and had to be dropped because of those poor agreements and poor decisions. Its the same thing that has plagued the 360 thus far. Poor third-party manufacturing.

So, again, what makes you think MS won't jump ship again? They are still far from making good hardware, profitable or not.

It comes down to costs and profit. MS can cut costs with 360, they couldn't with original XBOX - becasue with the 360 they own the CPU, GPU, etc. just like sony - they didn't with original XBOX. Yes it was a stupid decision and they learned from it. This has nothing to do with reliability, purely cost and profit

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

amen:D

It hasn't failed. It is the best and time will show that.patriotsr1

*looks at you with pity*

Some of the Cows on here need to get a grip. All i did was post a pretty accurate analysis of the PS3 up until now and suggested that the PS3 deserved to fail given how crap it has been. There's no need to get so upset and start resorting to personal insults. You babies need to learn to accept reality

Terrible software sales, you say? It beat PC software in 2007, who's failing now?

Jack_Bauer07

The PS3. PC software sales are horrendous in the US due to piracy. PS3 software sales are just horrendous. If the best cows can come up with is "they sell betta than PC games!" then you really do have low standards.

Before you accuse me of not buying games, I own nine PS3 games currently and will have about ten more by the end of the year. I buy most of them online, as do some others, and NPD does not track online sales.

Jack_Bauer07

NPD estimates sales based on the data to hand, and yes that takes online sales into account. Besides which sheep and lemmings buy games online as well, and they buy a lot more than cows

So you're saying VHS and DVD have the same picture and sound quality?MacaroniMoses

The difference between VHS and DVD is very noticeable, regardless of which TV you're using. The difference between DVD and Blu-Ray is barely noticeable. Even if you have a great TV

I really don't have any respect for you now. I thought this way at first too, but now with the price drop and good exclusives coming out, I don't think that way anymore. So I don't really care about your opinion on the PS3 itself, but then you went and bashed R&C... I grew up on those games. R&C was the first game I got for my PS2, and the first game series I played and owned all of... And by saying that it was a mario knockof just made me have less rspect for you. Since when did mario use the rino? Or get in hoverboard races? or fight neopet knockoffs? check the games you bash before you hate them...

phantom-4112

Sorry if i offended you. Ratchet games have obviously been pretty good in the past but they are in essence Mario 64 clones. and the series hasn't advanced at all gameplay wise even though there have been 5 installments

So the ps3 is failing cause it is in last just like the xbox1 failed last gen.:roll:

the1stfandb

more like the Gamecube. The Xbox was second last

You hate an inanimate object. Something very wrong with that.Aljosa23

The quality is staggering. If you don't care enough, fine, but the difference is very real and very obvious.

SpruceCaboose

The quality is great but if you were to watch a DVD on a similar TV with a decent upscaler the differences would be marginal

It hasn't failed but hopefully the first year has taught Sony some valuable lessons.Burnsmiesta

It's failed hard so far and It'll never be as successful as Sony's other consoles but i am hopeful it does better this year

if rumors are true about the 120 GB wont have BC, then the PS3 deserves it. the PS2 is only about $20. why spend money on more HDD space when consumers can upgrade it on thier own?

if rumors are true about the 120 GB wont have BC, then the PS3 deserves it. the PS2 is only about $20. why spend money on more HDD space when consumers can upgrade it on thier own?

PSP107

BC is a dealbreaker for me. If i'm going to play PS2 games on a HDTV i want them upscaled

[QUOTE="PSP107"]

if rumors are true about the 120 GB wont have BC, then the PS3 deserves it. the PS2 is only about $20. why spend money on more HDD space when consumers can upgrade it on thier own?

the_h_bomb

BC is a dealbreaker for me. If i'm going to play PS2 games on a HDTV i want them upscaled

So you're saying VHS and DVD have the same picture and sound quality?MacaroniMoses

The difference between VHS and DVD is very noticeable, regardless of which TV you're using. The difference between DVD and Blu-Ray is barely noticeable. Even if you have a great TV

then you should have bought a 60gb when you had the chance instead of being so cheap...better yet, you can still buy an 80gb version which still include BC even though its not 100%C_BozkurT_C

They've stopped making an 80gb. and i didn't feel like buying a failure with an out of date controller and no good exclusives for 600 bucks. If Sony don't put BC back in the PS3 i'm not buying one it's that simple

are video games consoles classified as toys? come on theres plenty of old people playing with toys?

• Price - It launched at 599 dollars sharing a high launch price with machines like the Saturn and 3D0. I hear Cows crying all the time about how "it's worth a lot more" but why should anyone give a crap? At the end of the day it is a toy and people are buying it to play games. Who's going to be dumb enough to pay that much for a toy?
• Blu Ray Movies - Let's see. A format that is useless unless you have a 1080p TV, and even if you do it isn't much better than a DVD. A terrible selection of movies (OMG Spiderman 3 and Hitch!) and up until recently it was competing with HD-DVD meaning no winner was clear.
• Too Many SKU's - Do I get the 40GB, the 60GB with BC, the 60GB with some BC, The 80GB with some BC or the 20GB? Most gamers have trouble telling the difference what's the average consumer going to think?
• Worthless exclusives - Lemmings got Halo 3, Forza 2 and Mass Effect. Sheep got Mario galaxy, Warioware, Zack and Wiki and no more Heroes. Cows get a cheap Mario clone (Ratchet + Clank), an incredibly short GOW clone with bad combat (heavenly sword) and tomb raider with a guy (uncharted). Lets also not forget the "innovative masterpiece" Resistance (ROFL)
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Most of them have been broken, late or both. They've also lacked features in many cases (such as online in Virtua Fighter 5).
• Worthless controller - OMG it's the suxaxis! like the rest of the PS3 it's unfinished crap. We'll leave aside that it's basically a PS1 controller with gameboy tilt technology built in , but it doesn't even have rumble. Don't worry though, those of us with enough sense to wait will be getting a Dual Shock 3 free with our reasonably priced console.

Unlike most of the people on here I'm very optimistic about the PS3's future, but that doesn't change the fact that so far the it has been an absolute travesty. the_h_bomb

Hmmm I agree with most of what you say. Especially the bit on Blu-Ray which I have said from day one was a waste. Funny you mention the Sixaxis cause last night I was playing my Mario clone and there was a segment where you must steer the character in flight through these rings. WELL.....the motion control in the Sixaxis is OVERLY sensitive and my character was sliding in every direction with great velocity from only MINOR hand movements I made. It was a struggle to gain control which ended up being more of a fight then any type of fun. I can only IMAGINE the frustration and annoyence with Lair!

Hmmm I agree with most of what you say. Especially the bit on Blu-Ray which I have said from day one was a waste. Funny you mention the Sixaxis cause last night I was playing my Mario clone and there was a segment where you must steer the character in flight through these rings. WELL.....the motion control in the Sixaxis is OVERLY sensitive and my character was sliding in every direction with great velocity from only MINOR hand movements I made. It was a struggle to gain control which ended up being more of a fight then any type of fun. I can only IMAGINE the frustration and annoyence with Lair!

thegame1980

Dude, try playing motorstorm with the sixaxis. It's terrible

The difference between VHS and DVD is very noticeable, regardless of which TV you're using. The difference between DVD and Blu-Ray is barely noticeable. Even if you have a great TVMacaroniMoses

I agree with this and actually proved it to myself and a few friends. I had Spider-Man 3 running on Blu-Ray AND on DVD at the same time. I switched back and forth between the two. One on PS3 the other upscaled on 360 and no one really could tell the difference. Now I don't have an overly priced 1080p TV so that might be why my Blu-Ray movies look no better, but the fact is it's not much better. No where NEAR the difference between watching football broadcasted on standard TV to football on HD TV.

• Price - Well from the sounds of it you wouldn't get a PS3 regardless of the price so what does it matter? I hear the 360 Elite can add up pretty quickly too. Also, although I hear PSN isn't quite as good as XBL, it's still free, and I think it's great.
• Blu Ray Movies - 300, Pirates of the Carribean (1-3), Remember the Titans, Pan's Labrynith, The Simpson's Movie, Harry Potter, The Departed, Apocalypto, Superbad, Ice Age, Troy, Casino Royale, The Prestige, Blood Diamond, Live Free or Die Hard, Deja Vu, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Gone In Sixty Seconds, Shoot 'em Up, The Transporter, Shooter. I could go on but I think you get the point.
• Too Many SKU's - If you're planning to spend hundreds of dollars on something you should probably do your research first. If you don't even know what you're spending your money on then you're going to have some problems in the future.
• Worthless exclusives - What's wrong with Heavenly Sword, Ratchet& Clank or Resistance? They scored an average of 8.7 from the user's. I guess a lot of people don't share your opinion. Now I do admit that the PS3 didn't have a huge list of exclusives for the first year and a half, but now we're looking at a bright future; Resistance 2, Infamous, FFXIII, FFXIIIVS, Killzone 2. Eventually God of War 3 will be coming out as well. As a negative, Haze has been poorly done with so many delays.
• Worthless multiplatform titles - Ok that's one example. However I didn't think the multiplats were any worse on the PS3 so if you could give me some other examples and proof, that would be great.
• Worthless controller - I think it's prefectly fine. Everyone I know that has used it thought it was great. The only people I ever see complaining about it is Lemmings, and well, they wouldn't get a PS3 anyway.

Funny you mention the Sixaxis cause last night I was playing my Mario clone and there was a segment where you must steer the character in flight through these rings. WELL.....the motion control in the Sixaxis is OVERLY sensitive and my character was sliding in every direction with great velocity from only MINOR hand movements I made. It was a struggle to gain control which ended up being more of a fight then any type of fun. I can only IMAGINE the frustration and annoyence with Lair!

thegame1980

Funny how because you suck at the six-axis controls they suck.

The six-axis haters are baseless and have one major thing in common: very little time with the six-axis. It works great in many games.

Here's a youtube video on the six-axis...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOYEUa8JZr0

No console deserves to fail....unless it's the Virtual Boy.vdastampede

PS3 is awesome

and you deserved to suck my balls

amourkiss

He's not worthy of your balls.

More like the balls of a walrus, that were dragged through sh.it.

to the TC
Jealous that you have less of a chance with girls than Nathan Drake? I mean he's not even real and the girls love him.

ANd the PS3 is great, I like it so far.

Nothing wrong with the Wii, it's library sucks so far, but that's just me.
360 has too many shooters, and it's RPGs are less appealing than the PS3s.
Dead Rising does look fun, as do Metroid Prime and SSBB, but 3 games do not compare to the games on the PS3.

Yep just like the first MGS4 trailer showing Old Snake, Sony shot itself in the mouth.