The rise of cinematic movie games!

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#51  Edited By locopatho
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@tryit said:

it might be cinematic but what we are saying is that its absolutely positively obvious that people are not playing those games because of the story.

So was Baldur's Gate II: Shadows Of Amn an evil cinematic game? Because I played that for the story. It had awesome gameplay too... but then so do Last Of Us, God Of War, and just about every other game people are mentioning here.

I bet you want COD to be classed as a cinematic game too... but nobody is playing that for it's "story", are they?

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#52 Creepywelps
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@zaryia: You mean scripted events and cutscenes like GTA 5?

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@lightsbane said:

Which one of you is the official authority on movie games and what is it, exactly, that makes a game qualify as a movie game?

Is it the amount of cutscenes?

The last actual movie game I remember playing was on the freaking 3DO...

It's almost is if the term is bollocks and doesn't actually mean anything.

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#54  Edited By Zaryia
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the FACT that gta5 is a movie game.

lmao opposite day trolling.

Yes, a game with 99% player controlled gameplay for 100+ hours is a movie game. Duhhh hurr. Cows are the worst.

Go play your soccer mom rentals like TLOU and Detroit.

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#55  Edited By Creepywelps
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@zaryia: LOL you're embarrassing yourself. Whats that steam again? You LoL playing, pleb.

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#56 Zaryia
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@boycie said:
@lightsbane said:

Which one of you is the official authority on movie games and what is it, exactly, that makes a game qualify as a movie game?

Is it the amount of cutscenes?

The last actual movie game I remember playing was on the freaking 3DO...

It's almost is if the term is bollocks and doesn't actually mean anything.

No.

It's quite clearly meant to describe games like Detroit, Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War 4, The Order, Heavy Rain, etc.

Stop trying to trip people up.

We said movie game. Not games with stories.

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@boycie said:
@lightsbane said:

Which one of you is the official authority on movie games and what is it, exactly, that makes a game qualify as a movie game?

Is it the amount of cutscenes?

The last actual movie game I remember playing was on the freaking 3DO...

It's almost is if the term is bollocks and doesn't actually mean anything.

Well, Plumbers Don't Wear Ties is definitely a movie game.

But Uncharted? What a buffoon...

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#58 ocinom
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"Cinematic" games adds more depth to the gaming experience. Some people just have higher standards in gaming

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#59  Edited By Zaryia
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@zaryia: LOL you're embarrassing yourself. Whats that steam again? You LoL playing, pleb.

I'm glad you recognize PC as the premiere competitive system.

Now don't you have some soccer dad rentals to go quickly beat and then play games that are better on PC for the next 14 months?

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#60  Edited By Ant_17
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@zaryia said:
@locopatho said:This is a shitty made up slur for games on a system you dislike, that has no actual bearing on reality.

No, it's made up for games that are mostly qtes, cutscenes, scripted events, and walking. Like Detroit, TLOU, Uncharted, The Order, etc.

This is actually quite specific.

By your dumb logic, RE4 is a movie game.

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#61 locopatho
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@zaryia said:
@locopatho said:This is a shitty made up slur for games on a system you dislike, that has no actual bearing on reality.

No, it's made up for games that are mostly qtes, cutscenes, scripted events, and walking. Like Detroit, TLOU, Uncharted, The Order, etc.

This is actually quite specific.

Lol, cuts out the part of the quote he can't answer. Apart from the obvious lie that Naughty Dog games are anything like David Cage games, are Grim Fandango and hell, all the classic LucasArts games crappy cinematic games? What about classic RPGs with hours of talking and cutscenes? What about Half Life 1 and 2, which were entirely scripted events from start to finish?

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#62 Creepywelps
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@zaryia: Yep, and I'm better than you at every single game. Wannabe master race bro.

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#63 locopatho
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@zaryia said:

lmao opposite day trolling.

Yes, a game with 99% player controlled gameplay for 100+ hours is a movie game. Duhhh hurr. Cows are the worst.

GTAV literally had a "mop the floor" quick time event. Lol.

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#64 TryIt
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@locopatho said:
@tryit said:

it might be cinematic but what we are saying is that its absolutely positively obvious that people are not playing those games because of the story.

So was Baldur's Gate II: Shadows Of Amn an evil cinematic game? Because I played that for the story. It had awesome gameplay too... but then so do Last Of Us, God Of War, and just about every other game people are mentioning here.

I bet you want COD to be classed as a cinematic game too... but nobody is playing that for it's "story", are they?

I have no idea the answers to your question because most of those games I havent even played.

but again, are you saying 'most people play Skyrim and GTA because of the story'?

I am not saying what is or is not 'cinematic' I am saying only the words that are in bold that do not need to be re-translated into different words

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#65  Edited By Zaryia
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@locopatho said:
@zaryia said:
@locopatho said:This is a shitty made up slur for games on a system you dislike, that has no actual bearing on reality.

No, it's made up for games that are mostly qtes, cutscenes, scripted events, and walking. Like Detroit, TLOU, Uncharted, The Order, etc.

This is actually quite specific.

Lol, cuts out the part of the quote he can't answer. Apart from the obvious lie that Naughty Dog games are anything like David Cage games, are Grim Fandango and hell, all the classic LucasArts games crappy cinematic games? What about classic RPGs with hours of talking and cutscenes? What about Half Life 1 and 2, which were entirely scripted events from start to finish?

Those aren't as scripted, cutscene, or qte filled as what is today seen as movie games.

When someone says "uh oh another movie game", we're talking about the typical Sony casual exclusive such as TLOU, Detroit, Heavy Rain, or UC4. These are more films than games, they are designed as rentals and to entice people that have never gamed before.

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This goose is still here, how many times can you get your arse handed to ya.

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@zaryia said:
@rafaelmsoares said:

Lems know it's a movie game when it's not available on their consoles*

There, fixed it for you.

Or you know, when it's mostly cutscenes, qtes, and scripted segments with only 3-4 hours of actual gameplay (which is mostly just walking).

You know, like TLOU, GoW4, The Order, Uncharted, Detroit, etc.

So... ignoring the fact that you walk/drive from cutscene to cutscene on GTA V?

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@carlquincy:It's true there aren't that many movie games out but the trend is towards slower controls in all AAA action games.

It would be better if the stories were actually well written, thought provoking and interesting. But they are not.

Games are too often written by nerds or corporate-suit-boys and you get cliched stuff or gunmetal grey, again.

There are so few new ideas if you look in the charts. They are pretty much the same games as 10, 20 years ago. Endless FIFA's, another Mario game etc.

Then some action game about killing billions of monsters with various kinds of swords with the cunning strategy of pressing the button or decking a man at the end of a 20 foot drop from a hotel window, if your press the button in time. Action!

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@zaryia said:
@boycie said:
@lightsbane said:

Which one of you is the official authority on movie games and what is it, exactly, that makes a game qualify as a movie game?

Is it the amount of cutscenes?

The last actual movie game I remember playing was on the freaking 3DO...

It's almost is if the term is bollocks and doesn't actually mean anything.

No.

It's quite clearly meant to describe games like Detroit, Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War 4, The Order, Heavy Rain, etc.

Stop trying to trip people up.

We said movie game. Not games with stories.

It such a vague and nebulous term. It's only really used in the context of shitting on a game you don't like without having to come up with you own interesting argument against it.

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#70  Edited By Zaryia
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@locopatho said:
@zaryia said:

lmao opposite day trolling.

Yes, a game with 99% player controlled gameplay for 100+ hours is a movie game. Duhhh hurr. Cows are the worst.

GTAV literally had a "mop the floor" quick time event. Lol.

WoW has a few QTE quests. Must be a movie game.

Durrrr.

I'm clearly discussing games were qte, scripted events, and cutscenes make up most of your play time.

This term didn't blow up for no reason. Movie game away, mom.

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#71 Creepywelps
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@zaryia: Need some help moving those goalposts?

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#72 locopatho
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@zaryia said:

Those aren't as scripted, cutscene, or qte filled as what is today seen as movie games.

Yes, the examples I gave are entirely scripted from start to finish and packed with walking and cutscenes.

@zaryia said:

we're talking about the typical Sony exclusive

Lol, well done on admitting how full of shit you are. Your only definition for an "evil cinematic game" is a Sony logo. Jog on, dumbass.

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@zaryia said:
@locopatho said:

You guys are rambling such garbage all ovker the place. GTA isn't cinematic? It has hundreds of cutscenes and cribs from every gangster movie there is hahaha. Skyrim with it's mighty SCRIPTED dragons raining down fire on cities is too, lol.

Skyrim and GTAV are not movie games. And this is a fact. They are open world sandbox titles.

I never said there isn't a cinematic or cutscene every few hours.

So is Spiderman, Ghosts of Tsushima and Death Stranding....

lol...GOAL POST MOVE TIME!!!

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#74  Edited By Zaryia
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@creepywelps said:

@zaryia: Need some help moving those goalposts?

What goal post. I'm pretty sure I've never strayed from the fact that games like TLOU, Detroit, Heavy Rain, UC, The Order, etc. are movie games due to mostly being qtes, cutscenes, and scripted events with very little actual gameplay.

These are extremely casual titles, and rentals. There is a reason Sony is known for non gamers, and also has a dead online.

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#75 locopatho
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@zaryia said:

WoW has a few QTE quests. Must be a movie game.

Durrrr.

Yep, that's about your posting level hahaha. Jog on.

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#76  Edited By Creepywelps
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@tryit: Go ahead, tell everyone why people played gta5 and Skyrim. Two games youve never played.

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#77  Edited By locopatho
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@tryit said:

I have no idea the answers to your question because most of those games I havent even played.

but again, are you saying 'most people play Skyrim and GTA because of the story'?

I am not saying what is or is not 'cinematic' I am saying only the words that are in bold that do not need to be re-translated into different words

I never said that, and "why" people play a game is both unknowable and irrelevant to what the game actually IS.

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#78 Zaryia
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@tgob89 said:
@zaryia said:
@locopatho said:

You guys are rambling such garbage all ovker the place. GTA isn't cinematic? It has hundreds of cutscenes and cribs from every gangster movie there is hahaha. Skyrim with it's mighty SCRIPTED dragons raining down fire on cities is too, lol.

Skyrim and GTAV are not movie games. And this is a fact. They are open world sandbox titles.

I never said there isn't a cinematic or cutscene every few hours.

So is Spiderman, Ghosts of Tsushima and Death Stranding....

lol...GOAL POST MOVE TIME!!!

I never mentioned those 3 games, my 2nd place queen.

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#79 Zaryia
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@locopatho said:Yep, that's about your posting level hahaha. Jog on.

I mean, I know you're being disingenuous, but why?

Like, you're defending your casual rental games - are you one of those payed Sony forum shills that were confirmed a few years back?

A game with mostly qtes, scripted events, cutscenes, and walking is a movie game. These games are short, and have very little gameplay. TLOU, Destroit, UC, The Order, Heavy Rain, Beyond two souls, etc

These are designed specifically for non gamers.

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#80  Edited By Creepywelps
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@zaryia: Please. You just hate Sony. Its alright, bro. Just let the hate run through you.

Invitation is always open to compete, I'll record all of it for you.

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#81 pelvist
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Arma III has scripted events and cutscenes, I guess Arma III is a movie game now.

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#82 Creepywelps
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@pelvist: Arma? Might as well make a bag of popcorn while I get ready to watch that movie.

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I think this is the game that all movie games originate from

F'ing Molyneux!

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@locopatho said:
@tryit said:

I have no idea the answers to your question because most of those games I havent even played.

but again, are you saying 'most people play Skyrim and GTA because of the story'?

I am not saying what is or is not 'cinematic' I am saying only the words that are in bold that do not need to be re-translated into different words

I never said that, and "why" people play a game is both unknowable and irrelevant to what the game actually IS.

I see you are just making a strawman argument over semantics.

not intrested

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@boycie said:

I think this is the game that all movie games originate from

F'ing Molyneux!

Dude, that movie game is great.

Also the American Pie movie game is great too.

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#86  Edited By locopatho
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@tryit said:
@locopatho said:
@tryit said:

I have no idea the answers to your question because most of those games I havent even played.

but again, are you saying 'most people play Skyrim and GTA because of the story'?

I am not saying what is or is not 'cinematic' I am saying only the words that are in bold that do not need to be re-translated into different words

I never said that, and "why" people play a game is both unknowable and irrelevant to what the game actually IS.

I see you are just making a strawman argument over semantics.

not intrested

You literally attributed a quote I never said to me! Lol, you got nothing.

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#87 TryIt
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@locopatho said:
@tryit said:
@locopatho said:
@tryit said:

I have no idea the answers to your question because most of those games I havent even played.

but again, are you saying 'most people play Skyrim and GTA because of the story'?

I am not saying what is or is not 'cinematic' I am saying only the words that are in bold that do not need to be re-translated into different words

I never said that, and "why" people play a game is both unknowable and irrelevant to what the game actually IS.

I see you are just making a strawman argument over semantics.

not intrested

You literally attributed a quote a I never said to me! Lol, you got nothing.

ok..cool story bro!

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#88 Zaryia
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@pelvist said:

Arma III has scripted events and cutscenes, I guess Arma III is a movie game now.

Having scripted events and cutscenes isn't what makes a movie game.

The game mostly being scripted events and cutscenes is what makes a movie game.

This term didn't materalize out of nowhere. People use it to describe games like Destroit, Beyond, The lats of us, Heavy Rain, The Order, etc.

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Invitation is always open to compete, I'll record all of it for you.

Record? I can just watch these movie games on youtube and save the money on real gaming.

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#89  Edited By Creepywelps
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@zaryia: Naw dude. Lets do some CS:GO. Or are you better at Overwatch? Stop avoiding the challenge, you think you're good? Lets go.

GTA 5 is a movie game.

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#90  Edited By tgob89
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@zaryia said:

I mean, I know you're being disingenuous, but why?

Like, you're defending your casual rental games - are you one of those payed Sony forum shills that were confirmed a few years back?

A game with mostly qtes, scripted events, cutscenes, and walking is a movie game.These games are short, and have very little gameplay. TLOU, Destroit, UC, The Order, Heavy Rain, Beyond two souls, etc

These are designed specifically for non gamers.

Scripted events? Custscenes? walking? Oh ok so this IS a movie game then!

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#91 TryIt
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guys still strawman debating over semantics?

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#92 Creepywelps
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@tryit: You still trying to tell people why they played Skyrim and GTA? Pleb.

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@creepywelps said:

@zaryia: Naw dude. Lets do some CS:GO. Or are you better at Overwatch? Stop avoiding the challenge, you think you're good? Lets go.

GTA 5 is a movie game.

A majority of GTA5s gameplay is not those elements. In fact, less than 10% of it is.

It's not a movie game.

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#94  Edited By Zaryia
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@tgob89 said:
@zaryia said:

I mean, I know you're being disingenuous, but why?

Like, you're defending your casual rental games - are you one of those payed Sony forum shills that were confirmed a few years back?

A game with mostly qtes, scripted events, cutscenes, and walking is a movie game.These games are short, and have very little gameplay. TLOU, Destroit, UC, The Order, Heavy Rain, Beyond two souls, etc

These are designed specifically for non gamers.

Scripted events? Custscenes? walking? Oh ok so this IS a movie game then!

"A game with mostlyqtes, scripted events, cutscenes, and walking is a movie game."

Proper reading is key. A majority of Witcher 3s gameplay is player controlled activity.

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#95  Edited By Creepywelps
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@zaryia: You're still talking? You've already been violently refuted, just move on with your life and stop wasting everyones time with your insecurity. Unless of course you decided to put your big boy pants on and play me? Fake ass PC gamer.

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#96 TryIt
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@creepywelps said:

@zaryia: You're still talking? You've already been violently refuted, just move on with your life and stop wasting everyones time with your insecurity. Unless of course you decided to put your big boy pants on and play me? Fake ass PC gamer.

when you get personal (and no this observation is not personal) its a sign that you have lost.

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#97  Edited By Creepywelps
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@tryit: Personal? I wanna play this great and illustrious pc gamer in some competitive action... Only a mentally weak person like you (and no this observation is not personal) would think thats personal. Grow up.

You're irrelevant to the conversation anyway, go build a space station.

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#98 Mercenary848
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@zaryia: exactly. I had to bail on this discussion. People in SW are impossible to have a serious constructive discussion because their lizard brains can’t grasp simple concepts.

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#99 Telekill
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So, people on these forums often use the term "movie game" loosely and to hate on whatever game they want.

To me a movie game is something like Night Trap, Supreme Warrior, Dragon's Lair, etc... something from the 90s with actual FMV where you actually had minimal control.

Using the term on any game with a story focus seems... well... ridiculous. I guess being ridiculous is the way of System Wars though.

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#100  Edited By mrbojangles25
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I was watching a "Elders react to..." video the other day of them playing The Last of Us, and even 60+ year olds were able to notice the lack of actual gameplay in that game. One even remarked "I thought this was a game. Where is the game? So far all I do is watch" (paraphrased).

I'm sorry but if your grandparents even have this commentary about games, I can't imagine how the instant-gratification-demanding people of today (I include myself in that category) expect to fully enjoy these so-called "games".

Honestly, AAA devs have become too obsessed with presentation, wow-factor, and "epic'ness". Not enough emphasis on immersion and gameplay.

@Mercenary848 said:

Guys I sold witcher 3 after a week to buy arkam knight....I can't beliieve I am going to have to defend that game in this thread.

Witcher 3 is by far not a movie game, even the dialogue/cut scenes actually shape the game world. I hated it, but it more then just a cinematic experience; even I will give the witcher 3 some credit.

interactive, story-driven dialogue sequences requiring the player to actually interact with the world, NPC's, and so forth =/= passively watching a cutscene.

I know you're not saying that, just want to quote you because it needs to be emphasized.

Also, The Witcher 3 had a pretty brilliant program built in that made those dialogue sequences somewhat random. They play out differently a lot of the time. In most games when you talk to people, if it's raining before you talk to them or there are characters in the background, all that disappears and it kills immersion. In The Witcher 3, all that background stuff stays in. The camera angle changes even to incorporate it.