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#1 SamiRDuran
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Console gamers ingorantly believe that they are getting a good deal but in fact it's quite the opposite and I will prove you why.

A pc with a GTX580(£230) & i5 2500k(£160) etc will cost £750 and a ps3 costs £250. However, the problem is that this pc performs about 10 times better but it doesn't costs 10 times more, only 3 times more. So it is very obvious that consoles are significantly overpriced. They should cost around £75.


We did some tests to see how much better it will perform on games, we take a random multiplat, crysis 2.

the main graphics settings of crysis 2

high settings
very high settings
extreme settings
ultra settings


consoles run crysis 2 with 1152x720(1024x720 for ps3) with mostly high settings(lowest setting available settings on pc) and 20-30fps(lets say avg 26fps)

we are going to find how a GTX580 performs compared to consoles in a real scenario, NOT some theoretical power.

A pc with a GTX580 achieves on crysis 2 - 58fps with 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack) (GPU usage around 100%)
now step by step we will continue to lower our settings, resolution, limit the fps to get to console settings.


GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 58fps(no lock) (GPU usage around 100%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 50%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 27%)
GTX580 - 1280x720, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 14%)
GTX580 - 1024x768, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 12%)

so with console settings our GPU only uses 12% of its power and still getting better fps so we can predict(using common sense) with a lock at 26fps(we cannot actually lock to 26 because V-Sync only allow 30fps or 60fps) that the GPU usage will be around 10%.

conclusion: at console settings the GPU only uses 10% of its power so we can safely conclude that the GTX580 performs around 10 times better than consoles (also in other games we found similar results).


console gamers pay more for inferior multiplats and even more for inferior hardware. lets also not forget that a pc does one thousand things more but this is not the point of this comparison. Console gamers how do you feel about getting ripped of on both hardware and software level?

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#2 parkurtommo
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They already know this problem is they don't care.

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#3 razgriz_101
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cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

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cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

razgriz_101
even if you get someone to build it for you, you still get much better value and there are no other issues that dont exist on consoles as well.
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#5 lundy86_4
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They pay less for their hardware full stop. For the ease of use and lower quality (IQ) games, they have a lower price.

Quite simple.

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#6 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

SamiRDuran

even if you get someone to build it for you, you still get much better value and there are no other issues that dont exist on consoles as well.

im happy with my plug and play thanks, im not converting one size doesnt fit all matey its high time you took time to learn that it seems.

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#7 MK-Professor
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as expected a PC that cost 3 times more, but perform 10 times better in games, but console gamers will refuse to accept this.

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#8 lowe0
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Your argument relies on a 1 to 1 correlation between hardware power and perceived value. Prove that one exists.
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#9 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

SamiRDuran
even if you get someone to build it for you, you still get much better value and there are no other issues that dont exist on consoles as well.

Nah, because of how open it is there tend to be a lot of issues. Like my PC can't even play Crysis anymore, it crashes on start up (and yet I can play Crysis 2). A lot of games I have gotten on their first start up my monitor will not display them because their default resolution has an invalid refresh rate or resolution...
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I didn't buy my PS3 for its graphics card. I bought it for all the exclusives I couldn't find anywhere else, along with multiplats not on PC.

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cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

razgriz_101
building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD.
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#12 razgriz_101
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as expected a PC that cost 3 times more, but perform 10 times better in games, but console gamers will refuse to accept this.

MK-Professor

yeah the PC still costs more you complete buffoon.

If your a gamer on a budget you's guys arent really making an amazing arguement for yourself.

oh yeah inb4 xbox live,more expensive games and DLC.Because if you a sensible soul like me you wait and play the patience game and score some decent deals.

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#13 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

YoshiYogurt

building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD.

those 2 issues in particualar have become a lot less apparent in the past 3 years than at the start of the gen as hardware as it usually does has become more reliable especially in the case of the 360.

I dont have time to build a PC either with work and band practice aswell as going out i just dont see that much fun in building it either just isnt my cup of tea.

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Your argument relies on a 1 to 1 correlation between hardware power and perceived value. Prove that one exists.lowe0

Something I found particularly odd.

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#15 Tikeio
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a ps3 costs £250

SamiRDuran

It's cute that you think everyone lives in the same country. Most people pay far less than that.

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#16 SamiRDuran
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[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]

a ps3 costs £250

Tikeio

It's cute that you think everyone lives in the same country. Most people pay far less than that.

and most people pay far less for computer hardware as well. not so smart...
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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

razgriz_101

building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD.

those 2 issues in particualar have become a lot less apparent in the past 3 years than at the start of the gen as hardware as it usually does has become more reliable especially in the case of the 360.

I dont have time to build a PC either with work and band practice aswell as going out i just dont see that much fun in building it either just isnt my cup of tea.

What instrument do you play?
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#18 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD. YoshiYogurt

those 2 issues in particualar have become a lot less apparent in the past 3 years than at the start of the gen as hardware as it usually does has become more reliable especially in the case of the 360.

I dont have time to build a PC either with work and band practice aswell as going out i just dont see that much fun in building it either just isnt my cup of tea.

What instrument do you play?

Play bass, saving for a Jackson Dave Ellefson CBX-V right now and an LH500 and honestly i'd rather put my money into that than a PC which i probably wouldnt use all that much.

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You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer..
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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

as expected a PC that cost 3 times more, but perform 10 times better in games, but console gamers will refuse to accept this.

razgriz_101

yeah the PC still costs more you complete buffoon.

If your a gamer on a budget you's guys arent really making an amazing arguement for yourself.

oh yeah inb4 xbox live,more expensive games and DLC.Because if you a sensible soul like me you wait and play the patience game and score some decent deals.

if you are on a budget then get a £40 GPU to play with similar graphics and performance like consoles.

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#21 parkurtommo
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You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. sSubZerOo
Graphics improve gameplay...
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#22 tomarlyn
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You care too much.
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#23 lowe0
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

YoshiYogurt
building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD.

The first few times, sure. After two decades, there's really not a lot of fun or accomplishment left in it.
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#24 ispeakfact
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Why build a gaming pc if it doesn't haven anything I want to play? :(
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what is the ratio for euros to dollars? :?
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#26 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

as expected a PC that cost 3 times more, but perform 10 times better in games, but console gamers will refuse to accept this.

MK-Professor

yeah the PC still costs more you complete buffoon.

If your a gamer on a budget you's guys arent really making an amazing arguement for yourself.

oh yeah inb4 xbox live,more expensive games and DLC.Because if you a sensible soul like me you wait and play the patience game and score some decent deals.

if you are on a budget then get a £40 GPU to play with similar graphics and performance like consoles.

Yeah but still aint got the same level of plug n play has it sonny jim :P i like keeping it as simple as possible thats why i prefer consoles really thats all.

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#27 parkurtommo
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Why build a gaming pc if it doesn't haven anything I want to play? :(ispeakfact
In that case, you shouldn't. Obviously.
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#28 Tikeio
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[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]

a ps3 costs £250

SamiRDuran

It's cute that you think everyone lives in the same country. Most people pay far less than that.

and most people pay far less for computer hardware as well. not so smart...

Never said anything about PC hardware. But you're the one who listed what you assume to be "standard" prices in the OP. Not so smart...

Nice try though.

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#29 Harisemo
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I still prefer consoles

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. parkurtommo
Graphics improve gameplay...

not to me, smart gameplay design and good use of scripting (if necessary) are higher on the list when it comes to gameplay

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#31 SamiRDuran
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what is the ratio for euros to dollars? :? bbkkristian
someone needs to go back to grammar school £ = british pound.
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#32 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. razgriz_101

Graphics improve gameplay...

not to me, smart gameplay design and good use of scripting (if necessary) are higher on the list when it comes to gameplay

So what if a game came out with the exact same gameplay as another but with much better graphics, which would you choose?
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#33 Sushiglutton
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The important thing is the experience not the hardware. Thinking that a PC gamer had a 10 times better experience than a console gamer playing a typical AAA game is absurd. It's more like 10% better.

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#34 ispeakfact
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]Why build a gaming pc if it doesn't haven anything I want to play? :(parkurtommo
In that case, you shouldn't. Obviously.

Ok. Just making sure. :P
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#35 SamiRDuran
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The important thing is the experience not the hardware. Thinking that a PC gamer had a 10 times better experience than a console gamer playing a typical AAA game is absurd. It's more like 10% better. Then there are exclusive games and so on. Sushiglutton
to me it's 100% better experience as I would never play a multiplat on consoles under any circumstances. I value my eyesight.
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#36 Rocker6
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*yawn*

Is it still so hard for some of you to understand there are many gamers who simply don't care that they're getting the "inferior" experience?

They're satisfied with console gaming,the "jump in and play" level of simplicity,and there's nothing wrong with that.System choice is subjective,while PC has many "objective" advantages,in the end,they don't matter.You simply pick the system that works the best for you...

For many,that is a console,and if they enjoy the experience they're getting,who cares about stuff posted in the OP?

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The difference is that I can buy a console and a game, plug it into my TV, pop in a game, and play it. Not only can I play it, but I can share it with people in the room. It's really easy.

That's the whole point. PC gamers forget that the whole point of console gaming is accessibility.

Yes. Building a PC and maintaing a PC is not an easy thing for 90% of the population. Thinking so only proves you don't know squat about the average person outside of video game forums.

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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD.

not everyone is like you. its not reasonable to expect everyone to build their own pc and deal with that headache when they can just buy a console, pop in a disc and are ready to go.
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#39 Obviously_Right
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NOBODY.

CARES.

Seriously, Console gamers do not care.

Its kinda funny watching this little crusade by Hermits though.

lol+_9f7f316335f41e43816885c41d16a4b3.jp

Quite funny indeed.

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]The important thing is the experience not the hardware. Thinking that a PC gamer had a 10 times better experience than a console gamer playing a typical AAA game is absurd. It's more like 10% better. Then there are exclusive games and so on. SamiRDuran
to me it's 100% better experience as I would never play a multiplat on consoles under any circumstances. I value my eyesight.

Ok fair enough. 100% more = 2 times more => A console should then cost half as much as a PC namely 750/2=£375. But it's over a hundred quids cheaper costing only 250. So a console is the better deal ;)!
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#41 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]The important thing is the experience not the hardware. Thinking that a PC gamer had a 10 times better experience than a console gamer playing a typical AAA game is absurd. It's more like 10% better. Then there are exclusive games and so on. SamiRDuran
to me it's 100% better experience as I would never play a multiplat on consoles under any circumstances. I value my eyesight.

seriously man get off tha high horse.

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#42 Rocker6
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The important thing is the experience not the hardware. Thinking that a PC gamer had a 10 times better experience than a console gamer playing a typical AAA game is absurd. It's more like 10% better.

Sushiglutton

An entirely subjective argument,no sense discussing it.Also,you cannot quantify the experience with numbers...

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Meh, still prefer consoles.

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#44 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD.

not everyone is like you. its not reasonable to expect everyone to build their own pc and deal with that headache when they can just buy a console, pop in a disc and are ready to go.

"that headache"? Lol, it takes like 2 hours max and all you have to do is put things into slots and plug in a few wires :p
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#45 SamiRDuran
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I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD. parkurtommo
not everyone is like you. its not reasonable to expect everyone to build their own pc and deal with that headache when they can just buy a console, pop in a disc and are ready to go.

"that headache"? Lol, it takes like 2 hours max and all you have to do is put things into slots and plug in a few wires :p

not for people who dont know anything about building a pc :|
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#47 Sushiglutton
Member since 2009 • 10465 Posts

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The important thing is the experience not the hardware. Thinking that a PC gamer had a 10 times better experience than a console gamer playing a typical AAA game is absurd. It's more like 10% better.

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An entirely subjective argument,no sense discussing it.Also,you cannot quantify the experience with numbers...

Well that's too bad then as the subjective experience is the only thing that matters. Yes I can use numbers to describe how I believe the average person feels on the matter. Not pretending it's an exact science obv, think of it more as a metaphor.
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#48 Rocker6
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I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.SamiRDuran

If you spend money on something you enjoy,that serves you well,how exactly have you been ripped off? :?

In gaming systems,subjective variables are very important,since in the end,that's what decides your system preference.Some prefer the simplicity and accessibility of consoles,as well as low upfront costs.Is that so hard to understand?

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#49 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] not everyone is like you. its not reasonable to expect everyone to build their own pc and deal with that headache when they can just buy a console, pop in a disc and are ready to go.mems_1224
"that headache"? Lol, it takes like 2 hours max and all you have to do is put things into slots and plug in a few wires :p

not for people who dont know anything about building a pc :|

I made my first rig 2 months ago, all I did was read "Build your own PC for dummies" once, ordered the parts, watched the video walkthroughs that were included with the book and bam, gaming pc right there bruh
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#50 whiskeystrike
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I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.SamiRDuran

you're misssing the point though. Consoles aren't about the graphics. this is not a difficult thing to understand but think about it long and hard if you have to.