The shocking truth about the price of consoles

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]

The important thing is the experience not the hardware. Thinking that a PC gamer had a 10 times better experience than a console gamer playing a typical AAA game is absurd. It's more like 10% better.

Sushiglutton

An entirely subjective argument,no sense discussing it.Also,you cannot quantify the experience with numbers...

I do agree that subjective experience is most important when chosing your system preference,but still,your comment sounds like you're trying to show off that "10% better" statement as a fact.And that is not recommended...

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] "that headache"? Lol, it takes like 2 hours max and all you have to do is put things into slots and plug in a few wires :pparkurtommo

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.whiskeystrike

you're misssing the point though. Consoles aren't about the graphics. this is not a difficult thing to understand but think about it long and hard if you have to.

In theory,consoles aren't about graphics.But look at Sony's "flagship" franchise,Uncharted...

Do you think those games would be so succesful if there weren't for their high levels of technical graphics?

Graphics matter to anyone,everyone wants for their games to look eye-pleasing,no way to spin that.It's best to just plain admit it...

Didn't read but I read that 3DS cost 100$ to make and that Wii U will cost 180$ to make. But that doesn't mean they would have profit if they priced them in that range. 3DS was actaully generating a loss a few months after the price drop (from 250$ to 180$). And Sony cannot lower the price of the Vita because it's already selling for a loss. It took several years before the 360 and PS3 became profitable too. The Wii was pretty much the only system that didn't sell for a loss since it's just a repacked GameCube (2001 tech) with a remote.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

An entirely subjective argument,no sense discussing it.Also,you cannot quantify the experience with numbers...

Rocker6

I do agree that subjective experience is most important when chosing your system preference,but still,your comment sounds like you're trying to show off that "10% better" statement as a fact.And that is not recommended...

cant be bothered with the hassle of building and the few other issues with PC.

who cares, dunno why PC gamers like yourself seem to have this need to keep boasting and saying we all need to follow the beat of their drum even though it doesnt suit us all.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] not for people who dont know anything about building a pc :|mems_1224

Meh. You can try to justify it all you like but the fact still remains that the price of entry for a console is substantially lower than the price of a good gaming rig.

But given how fast game prices drop these days, especially on the PC, the long term price totals may favor the PC as the cheaper platform, and that's why it's my current favored platform.

ahem...

why you mad though?

Lol at multiplats on consoles when there's a PC version available. They feel like almost a rip off in some ways.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Well that's too bad then as the subjective experience is the only thing that matters. Yes I can use numbers to describe how I believe the average person feels on the matter. Not pretending it's an exact science obv, think of it more as a metaphor.Sushiglutton

I do agree that subjective experience is most important when chosing your system preference,but still,your comment sounds like you're trying to show off that "10% better" statement as a fact.And that is not recommended...

Yeah,that would've been better,for example,I do personally find PC gaming a vastly superior experience compared to console gaming.Also,it's hard to define an "average gamer",and come up with "his" mindset...

But yeah,OP was badly formulated,and just another one of those boring hermits with their "forced recruitment" propaganda,failing to understand the subjectivity of system preference,and the appeal of the accessibiltiy and simplicity that console gaming provides...

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] building a pc is not "hassle." It's very fun actually, and you get a great sense of accomplishment when you finish. Consoles have more issues than PCs. Xboxes RROD and PS3s YLOD. YoshiYogurt

Lol at multiplats on consoles when there's a PC version available. They feel like almost a rip off in some ways.

mitu123

Not if you have a bad/non-gaming PC. Also, some console multiplats don't come to PC (Bayonetta, Vanquish, Soul Calibur IV, ect.).

Meh. You can try to justify it all you like but the fact still remains that the price of entry for a console is substantially lower than the price of a good gaming rig.

But given how fast game prices drop these days, especially on the PC, the long term price totals may favor the PC as the cheaper platform, and that's why it's my current favored platform.

The_Game21x

^This...

An upfront price for a solid system capable of good performance on 1080p is much higher than an upfront price of a console,and for many,that matters a lot,very few think of long term costs...

Lol at multiplats on consoles when there's a PC version available. They feel like almost a rip off in some ways.

mitu123

So true. I hardly ever buy multiplats on consoles anymore.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] I made my first rig 2 months ago, all I did was read "Build your own PC for dummies" once, ordered the parts, watched the video walkthroughs that were included with the book and bam, gaming pc right there bruhparkurtommo

It's not an enjoyable experience for everyone,in fact,it would be safe to assume we who enjoy PC assembling are the minority...

Glad you found it fun,though.With such mindset,it's highly possible you'll eventually start with tweaking and OC'ing your system,if you haven't already :)

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lol at multiplats on consoles when there's a PC version available. They feel like almost a rip off in some ways.

nameless12345

Not if you have a bad/non-gaming PC. Also, some console multiplats don't come to PC (Bayonetta, Vanquish, Soul Calibur IV, ect.).

Also if you can afford a console and hundreds worth of games then you can afford a gaming PC, it's just people not wanting a gaming PC for some reason.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lol at multiplats on consoles when there's a PC version available. They feel like almost a rip off in some ways.

The_Game21x

So true. I hardly ever buy multiplats on consoles anymore.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.Rocker6

If you spend money on something you enjoy,that serves you well,how exactly have you been ripped off? :?

In gaming systems,subjective variables are very important,since in the end,that's what decides your system preference.Some prefer the simplicity and accessibility of consoles,as well as low upfront costs.Is that so hard to understand?

I have a 2560x1440 monitor...Guess I won't be able to max out Crysis 2 with my GTX 570. :(Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] great. but the average person isn't goning to do all that. hell i know more about computers than the average person and even i didnt want to do all that when i got my pc. you cant expect everyone to go out and build their own pc. they're more of a hassle to build and keep up with and set up than just buying a console Rocker6

It's not an enjoyable experience for everyone,in fact,it would be safe to assume we who enjoy PC assembling are the minority...

Glad you found it fun,though.With such mindset,it's highly possible you'll eventually start with tweaking and OC'ing your system,if you haven't already :)

I have a 2560x1440 monitor...Guess I won't be able to max out Crysis 2 with my GTX 570. :(Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.SamiRDuran

If you spend money on something you enjoy,that serves you well,how exactly have you been ripped off? :?

In gaming systems,subjective variables are very important,since in the end,that's what decides your system preference.Some prefer the simplicity and accessibility of consoles,as well as low upfront costs.Is that so hard to understand?

Enjoyment is subjective.As I said,some people simply find console gaming a much more enjoyable experience than PC gaming,due to various reasons...

If they're enjoying their system,and fell their money was well spent,they haven't been ripped off in any way...

You constantly keep forgetting that the system of preference is defined by one's subjective opinion,not by technical "facts"...

Thinking so only proves you don't know squat about the average person outside of video game forums.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

If you spend money on something you enjoy,that serves you well,how exactly have you been ripped off? :?

In gaming systems,subjective variables are very important,since in the end,that's what decides your system preference.Some prefer the simplicity and accessibility of consoles,as well as low upfront costs.Is that so hard to understand?

SamiRDuran

I think what's really important here, and what's consistently been ignored in these types of threads when they do pop up, is the social aspect of consoles. I have a ton of friends who play video games just as much as I do and we all like to play online multiplayer together when we get the chance. The fact of the matter is, though, that most of them either a) don't have the money for a decent rig, or b) don't know the first thing about building one. Then there are a few that flat out refuse because they're so comfortable with the console experience (plug and play, simplicity) that that is all they want.

I on the other hand DO have a capable PC. However, the above outlined situation makes it so that a great majority of my gaming hours go to my consoles.

To put it simply, console gaming is just more mainstream, and for someone who likes online multiplayer with a few friends that presents a great advantage that is potentially way more valuable to the individual than the raw power inside their plastic box.

I never understood why this argument only applies to PCs. I'm sure you could build a superior and cheaper washing machine or microwave to the one you have now, yet hardly anyone does. Why? because it's not very convenient that's why.Sali217

Building a PC isn't as difficult as building either of those.

as expected a PC that cost 3 times more, but perform 10 times better in games, but console gamers will refuse to accept this.

MK-Professor

what is the ratio for euros to dollars? :? bbkkristian

*yawn*

Is it still so hard for some of you to understand there are many gamers who simply don't care that they're getting the "inferior" experience?

They're satisfied with console gaming,the "jump in and play" level of simplicity,and there's nothing wrong with that.System choice is subjective,while PC has many "objective" advantages,in the end,they don't matter.You simply pick the system that works the best for you...

For many,that is a console,and if they enjoy the experience they're getting,who cares about stuff posted in the OP?

Rocker6

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Meh. You can try to justify it all you like but the fact still remains that the price of entry for a console is substantially lower than the price of a good gaming rig.

But given how fast game prices drop these days, especially on the PC, the long term price totals may favor the PC as the cheaper platform, and that's why it's my current favored platform.

Rocker6

^This...

An upfront price for a solid system capable of good performance on 1080p is much higher than an upfront price of a console,and for many,that matters a lot,very few think of long term costs...

Unfortunately, most people dont think things through all the way. Like those that take the lump sum of a lottery rather than the yearly payments

I have a 2560x1440 monitor...Guess I won't be able to max out Crysis 2 with my GTX 570. :(Hexagon_777

At above 1080p you may be hitting a VRAM limitation. But you can also try turning down the AA because it is not needed as much at 1440

I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.SamiRDuran

You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. sSubZerOo

Ah yes, those who still think that hardware only affects graphics.

*sigh*

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. cfstar

Ah yes, those who still think that hardware only affects graphics.

*sigh*

Yep, to be honest I think a lot of PC gamers care about FPS about equally as graphics

Console gamers ingorantly believe that they are getting a good deal but in fact it's quite the opposite and I will prove you why.

A pc with a GTX580(£230) & i5 2500k(£160) etc will cost £750 and a ps3 costs £250. However, the problem is that this pc performs about 10 times better but it doesn't costs 10 times more, only 3 times more. So it is very obvious that consoles are significantly overpriced. They should cost around £75.

We did some tests to see how much better it will perform on games, we take a random multiplat, crysis 2.

the main graphics settings of crysis 2

high settings
very high settings
extreme settings
ultra settings

consoles run crysis 2 with 1152x720(1024x720 for ps3) with mostly high settings(lowest setting available settings on pc) and 20-30fps(lets say avg 26fps)

we are going to find how a GTX580 performs compared to consoles in a real scenario, NOT some theoretical power.

A pc with a GTX580 achieves on crysis 2 - 58fps with 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack) (GPU usage around 100%)
now step by step we will continue to lower our settings, resolution, limit the fps to get to console settings.

GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 58fps(no lock) (GPU usage around 100%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 50%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 27%)
GTX580 - 1280x720, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 14%)
GTX580 - 1024x768, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 12%)

so with console settings our GPU only uses 12% of its power and still getting better fps so we can predict(using common sense) with a lock at 26fps(we cannot actually lock to 26 because V-Sync only allow 30fps or 60fps) that the GPU usage will be around 10%.

conclusion: at console settings the GPU only uses 10% of its power so we can safely conclude that the GTX580 performs around 10 times better than consoles (also in other games we found similar results).

console gamers pay more for inferior multiplats and even more for inferior hardware. lets also not forget that a pc does one thousand things more but this is not the point of this comparison. Console gamers how do you feel about getting ripped of on both hardware and software level?

SamiRDuran

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]

Console gamers ingorantly believe that they are getting a good deal but in fact it's quite the opposite and I will prove you why.

A pc with a GTX580(£230) & i5 2500k(£160) etc will cost £750 and a ps3 costs £250. However, the problem is that this pc performs about 10 times better but it doesn't costs 10 times more, only 3 times more. So it is very obvious that consoles are significantly overpriced. They should cost around £75.

We did some tests to see how much better it will perform on games, we take a random multiplat, crysis 2.

the main graphics settings of crysis 2

high settings
very high settings
extreme settings
ultra settings

consoles run crysis 2 with 1152x720(1024x720 for ps3) with mostly high settings(lowest setting available settings on pc) and 20-30fps(lets say avg 26fps)

we are going to find how a GTX580 performs compared to consoles in a real scenario, NOT some theoretical power.

A pc with a GTX580 achieves on crysis 2 - 58fps with 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack) (GPU usage around 100%)
now step by step we will continue to lower our settings, resolution, limit the fps to get to console settings.

GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 58fps(no lock) (GPU usage around 100%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, extreme settings(+high rez texture pack), 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 50%)
GTX580 - 1920x1200, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 27%)
GTX580 - 1280x720, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 14%)
GTX580 - 1024x768, high settings, 30fps(lock) (GPU usage around 12%)

so with console settings our GPU only uses 12% of its power and still getting better fps so we can predict(using common sense) with a lock at 26fps(we cannot actually lock to 26 because V-Sync only allow 30fps or 60fps) that the GPU usage will be around 10%.

conclusion: at console settings the GPU only uses 10% of its power so we can safely conclude that the GTX580 performs around 10 times better than consoles (also in other games we found similar results).

console gamers pay more for inferior multiplats and even more for inferior hardware. lets also not forget that a pc does one thousand things more but this is not the point of this comparison. Console gamers how do you feel about getting ripped of on both hardware and software level?

tormentos

Some people are willing to pay more for better experiences

The pc version 99.9 percent of the time looks better and then the mods hit and really blow the console version into the weeds. I mean you have a game like skyrim on console then you play it on pc and the console version is almost like a wii game vs pc. On console your waiting for dlc to bring life to your old game but on pc mods keep games going for years. The value of the pc version IMO is very understated most of the games are cheaper already.

I never get the console version it is just a waste of 60 bucks. Also pc hardware is so strong now that mid range specs can max out most games. I bought my gtx580 used off the futuremark forums for 280 bucks. So you don't have to break yourself to get decent hardware. There is always some bench mark chaser selling his old stuff that was high end for newer stuff.

[QUOTE="cfstar"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. lostrib

Ah yes, those who still think that hardware only affects graphics.

*sigh*

Yep, to be honest I think a lot of PC gamers care about FPS about equally as graphics

[QUOTE="cfstar"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. lostrib

Ah yes, those who still think that hardware only affects graphics.

*sigh*

Yep, to be honest I think a lot of PC gamers care about FPS about equally as graphics

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]I dont know why console gamers bring subjective variables such as experience into the argument. You are getting ripped off on both hardware and software level and anybody who loves getting ripped of is a fool as they say a fool and his money are easily separated. I've seen countless of times console gamers making fun of Apple fanboys or wii owners that buy overpriced hardware but you are just as bad.Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="cfstar"]

Ah yes, those who still think that hardware only affects graphics.

*sigh*

mitu123

Yep, to be honest I think a lot of PC gamers care about FPS about equally as graphics

Especially in multiplayer games, having a good FPS is important. And avoiding drops in general creates a better experience.

Some people are willing to pay more for better experienceslostrib

[QUOTE="cfstar"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You do understand there is more to gaming than solely graphics right? And this is coming from a pc gamer.. lostrib

Ah yes, those who still think that hardware only affects graphics.

*sigh*

Yep, to be honest I think a lot of PC gamers care about FPS about equally as graphics

when playing online I'll almost always tone down the graphics to get a better framerate.

wish I could do the same on my PS3 though...

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]I have a 2560x1440 monitor...Guess I won't be able to max out Crysis 2 with my GTX 570. :(parkurtommo

[QUOTE="lostrib"]Some people are willing to pay more for better experiencestormentos

Okay, but one of the many benefits of PC gaming is you can upgrade your hardware. In addition, you dont have to buy the most expensive parts to get better than console performance. It may be more expensive, but for many people it is worth it

I'm impressed we've finally reached a discussion that realistically portrays the cost of a PC that can actually play games. As for the idea that Steam sales (and suppose other folks like GOG) cover the rest to make PC gaming cheaper, maybe they do. Depending on whether or not you're content to just sit in front of something and click buttons without any significant concernfor how you spend your time. I got into PC gaming was 13 and funded it through a paper route and later whatever crappy little jobs I could pick up. It was horrible, especially compared to funding my PS1 and DC that I also had. It kind of slated me against PC gaming for a long time. Everyone told me PC gaming is freakin' amazing when you're an adult and you can just spend, spend, spend and have all the best hardware and games. And again, I suppose this is true, if you're an adult with the priorities of a teenager.

Within any given weekday, I have maybe 45 minutes of free time. A few hours here and there on the weekends. I didn't marry someone who plays games. Now explain to me how I should justify shelling out a good 1,000 (I like the settings high, I want to be able to play every game that comes out, and I want to last at least 4 years) bucks on literally anything that I'm going to use primarily for games. It's absurd. It's outlandish. It's an episode of the Simpsons, where Homer does something incredibly stupid and Marge finds out and he has to spend 15 minutes trying to win her back and prove his love for her by putting an onion ring on her finger. Except it's not funny, both the show since around 2001 and the real life scenario.

So all the math is done, PC gaming is objectively superior, has always been, and will always be, objectively superior. The only thing that is left is to convert all the uneducated, filthy, suppressing persons, eradicate consoles forever, and establish the prophesied 1,000 year reign of PC gaming glory. And then reality sets in, and I have maybe a few hours a week to play game...and I just want to get in some Zelda. Or maybe some Pixel Junk Shooter. I imported Xenoblade at launch....and just beat it a few days ago with no breaks. It felt unbelievably epic, and I had to play it on a little old TV in the basement which only made it all the more awesome. That one game lasted about a year, the idea of hitting up Steam every week and blowing another 7.50 on another game I barely want and certainly don't have the time to play is not even considerable. It's not realistic. It's an ongoing state of impulsivity, it leads to more wasted cash then saved, and it leads to a legendarily huge folder in my ancient PC's steam catalog called "garbage". I'm telling you man, the 1,000 year reign can't come soon enough.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]I have a 2560x1440 monitor...Guess I won't be able to max out Crysis 2 with my GTX 570. :(mitu123