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#1 Roy_Drage
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Lets all hammer on the PS3 & cows for the waitstation,  When we all know perfectly well that the 360 was the original machine for the overly patient, excuse baring gamer.  

Hardcore lemmings told us how great the mediocre filled 360 lineup was with half assed Rare efforts like PDZ & Kameo, when they were really waiting over a year for GeOW.    Now that game has gone & passed, they are patiently waiting again for their only other decent game they'll get this gen in Halo 3: Downgrade.  

You fellas should learn not to throw stones in glass houses, as you all know that by the end of this gen. you are all gonna look completely foolish & will come on here in rare events & complain about how cows are exacting their sw's revenge with multiple topic about how the ps3 pwnzers the 360, & how dvd 9's were abondoned by most good developers, in favour of the bigger, better storage medium.       

I am by no means a 360 hater, I like all consoles.  I just find it hilarious on here, that as long as I've been frequenting this site (about 18months), lemmings have been doing nothing but making non stop topics about PS3 bashing & gatecrashing any good news topics for PS3, with negativity.      Then when quizzed about why you feel it neccessary to bash any one system, I got the excuse that "cows used to do it", "cow are the worst fanboys on SW's".    

Now from my short experience on SW's, I have seen lemmings acting worse than cows, by condemning their actions, whislt in the same breath, doing exactly what they vilified the cows for doing.   Then they hit the all time low, by proclaiming that they are doing it as a revenge act.....instead of just admitting freely that they are just the same rabid fanboy as these cows, the only difference being the brand name they wear on their heart sleave.

If you lemmings wish to claim ownage with things like xbl being the better selling point for 360...I think you need to research the facts better.   You say casuals won't pay $499 or $599 for a PS3, but then seem to think that casuals will pay $399 for a system & also pay a yearly $50 subscription for an online service they really are oblivious to for anything but gaming.  So in the real world sense, wouldn't casuals be more sold on a system that is a one time, one off payment, that is straightforward to use for what consoles were meant for....gaming.       Casuals really don't care for all that friends crap, chat, & all the other non gameplay enhancing features....I myself, as a hardcore console gamer, really don't care about the bells & whistles either....It's nice for a "gloating" standpoint, but in nearly all cases I, & the majority, never use it.     Half the fun of playing online, is to play against people you don't know, so friends lists are irrellevent for me, along with alot of the other features that some people hold in such high esteem.   

and don't even get me started on achievement points & how toss that joke is.   If games aren't fun enough to play extensively online or off, then they are not worth my money.        You waitboxers have been playing half baked games for too long for achievement points.....That is sad & shows that MS has dangled a rotten carrot in your faces, to keep you appeased until one other worthwhile game arrives on your console of choice.      It saddens me that Sony are implementing this trophy crap, to allow the same kind of new age gamer mentality, to get in the way of actually being able to play truly great games, simply because they are fun.   

End of rant....Close massive wall of text.

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#2 fatzombiepigeon
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Kameo was AA and deserved that score.

Lemmings had plenty to play right at launch.

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#3 Spartan8907
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Did you make this thread in response to that one where the TC called the PS3 the "waitstation 3"?
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#5 blurb1324
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PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat. 

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#6 foxhound_fox
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"with half assed Rare efforts like PDZ & Kameo"

Stopped reading right there. Those games are quality titles...
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#7 orangeonxbox
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well, if that first post does not count as flaming, please show me what does.....
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#8 cyprus646
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Well us lems actually had something to play at launch what did cows have ?? Resitance :lol: Genji 2 :lol: and Gundam :lol: :lol: and this year us lems are getting former ps3 exclusives like DMC and Gta 4  so we really dont need to wait for any good games to come out since we have been playing great games since our system launched. Unlike a certain overpriced console with mediocre launch games and overhyped downgraded flops like motorstorm and I say again resistance :wink:
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#9 GermanShepard06
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where were you when x360 flopped in Japan?

i noticed them jumping ships long time ago, most of them are sheep now.

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#10 shungokustasu
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The best post I ever read on SW. QFTMFT!
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#11 Hermitkermit
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Poor Counter to the WaitSation better yet before it came out it was called the PraySation.

What word rhythms with Xbox? 

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#12 sonicmj1
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Uh oh. The games that I own that aren't Gears of War aren't decent. Thanks for informing me. I thought they were great. Shows what I know.

Better go trade them in now... :roll:

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#13 shungokustasu
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PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

blurb1324

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not? 

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#14 Sonicplys
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M$ made Rare suck. PDZ and Kameo are garbage. Booooooorrriiinnnggg. Rare didnt suck when they were working with Nintendo.....

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#15 LinKuei_warrior
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Poor Counter to the WaitSation better yet before it came out it was called the PraySation.

What word rhythms with Xbox? 

Hermitkermit

 

some moron i know in 4th period calls xbox the "SexBox360"...and to make sense,he says that it anally probes and brainwashes".

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#16 FireEmblem_Man
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Too bad the "Waitbox 360" actually has games that are worth playing while the Waitstation 3 has to wait for a real killer title for release!!!
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#17 Kook18
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[QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

shungokustasu

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not?

because!

 

seriously thats the best answer you're going to get out of a lemm. double standards are abundant on this board. 

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#18 black_awpN1
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Lemmings had way mor eto play than cows in the first Half Year.
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#19 Kook18
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M$ made Rare suck. PDZ and Kameo are garbage. Booooooorrriiinnnggg. Rare didnt suck when they were working with Nintendo.....

Sonicplys
uhh starfox adventures anyone?
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#20 majadamus
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A) You have a blog for a reason.

B) HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE YOU?! Does it even matter?!

C) ??????

D) Profit

 

hummer700

I thought that was System War appropiate. Pretty funny, and it made some very good points lemmings are too brainwashed to notice.  

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#21 Hot_Potato
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Kameo was AA and deserved that score.

Lemmings had plenty to play right at launch.

fatzombiepigeon

Call of Duty isn't plenty of games 

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#22 Kook18
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Too bad the "Waitbox 360" actually has games that are worth playing while the Waitstation 3 has to wait for a real killer title for release!!!FireEmblem_Man
resistance, motorstorm and VF5 are great games to play atm. not to mention all the multiplats. there are good games on the ps3. stop ignoring them. the only question of good games is do they justify the price of the console. thats subjective.
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#23 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

Kook18

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not?

because!

 

seriously thats the best answer you're going to get out of a lemm. double standards are abundant on this board.

I bet he won't respond. I made a topic about this, and it was on the 3rd page in 10 seconds. 

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#24 foxhound_fox
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My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not? shungokustasu


Who other than blind fanboys say they aren't?
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#25 KodiakGTS
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You're kidding about waiting for decent games right?  Now this figure is from like a month ago, because I'm too lazy to count again, but anyway, another Cow mentioned how PS3 had 3 games he really considered must haves, and the X360 didn't even have that many.  His game choices were Resistance, Motorstorm, and VF5.  I did some research in response to his post, and as of about a month ago X360 had 59 games that scored as high or higher than VF5's score of 7.9...

Yep, we have no decent games to play at all...

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#26 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not? foxhound_fox


Who other than blind fanboys say they aren't?

Whatever, It's not just the "blind" fanboys saying it. Some well respected 360 fans says the same thing. 

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#27 Kook18
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You're kidding about waiting for decent games right? Now this figure is from like a month ago, because I'm too lazy to count, but anyway, another Cow mentioned how PS3 had 3 games he really loved. Resistance, Motorstorm, and VF5. I did some research in response to his post, and as of about a month ago X360 had 59 games that scored as high or higher than VF5's score of 7.9...

Yep, we have no decent games to play at all...

KodiakGTS
so does that automatcially make resistance, VF5 and motorstorm crap? no. it just means they have competition. i'm glad i'm able to experience all of it than blindly hate on one side which a lot of lemms are doing for the PS3. the ps3 has great games. thats not the question. its whether or not those games justify the price. thats your opinion, not anyone elses.
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#28 sonicmj1
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[QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

shungokustasu

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not?

The answer basically is that with the exceptions of Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Ridge Racer 7, Tekken: Dark Resurrection (a PSP port, so that isn't usually brought up) and Motorstorm (which technically isn't AA, but I'll count it anyways), all of the PS3s AA titles are multiplatform console games, and the vast majority of those AA titles are sports games. Nobody on System Wars likes sports games, and nobody on System Wars cares about multiplats.

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#29 shungokustasu
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You're kidding about waiting for decent games right? Now this figure is from like a month ago, because I'm too lazy to count again, but anyway, another Cow mentioned how PS3 had 3 games he really considered must haves, and the X360 didn't even have that many. His game choices were Resistance, Motorstorm, and VF5. I did some research in response to his post, and as of about a month ago X360 had 59 games that scored as high or higher than VF5's score of 7.9...

Yep, we have no decent games to play at all...

KodiakGTS

Well, don't mislead yourself. 360 was out a year earlier. I'm not saying 360 don't have good games, just saying it's time to pay respect to the good games that are on the PS3. 

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#30 Kook18
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[QUOTE="KodiakGTS"]

You're kidding about waiting for decent games right? Now this figure is from like a month ago, because I'm too lazy to count again, but anyway, another Cow mentioned how PS3 had 3 games he really considered must haves, and the X360 didn't even have that many. His game choices were Resistance, Motorstorm, and VF5. I did some research in response to his post, and as of about a month ago X360 had 59 games that scored as high or higher than VF5's score of 7.9...

Yep, we have no decent games to play at all...

shungokustasu

Well, don't mislead yourself. 360 was out a year earlier. I'm not saying 360 don't have good games, just saying it's time to pay respect to the good games that are on the PS3.

exactly. i usually butt heads with shungo, but i at least can agree to this.
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#31 foxhound_fox
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Whatever, It's not just the "blind" fanboys saying it. Some well respected 360 fans says the same thing. shungokustasu


They actually say the games are "bad." Or do they say they do not enjoy them?
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#32 ganon546
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Too bad the "Waitbox 360" actually has games that are worth playing while the Waitstation 3 has to wait for a real killer title for release!!!FireEmblem_Man

/thread.

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#33 istreakforfood
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cant believe i ended up reading the whole thing. You should write on how you feel to microsoft and sony. I am sure they care .:roll:
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#34 PotatoSandWitch
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I've actually played PGR3 more than GeOW (although I've had more concentrated fun with GeOW).

I think you are forgetting Oblivion too.

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#35 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

sonicmj1

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not?

The answer basically is that with the exceptions of Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Ridge Racer 7, Tekken: Dark Resurrection (a PSP port, so that isn't usually brought up) and Motorstorm (which technically isn't AA, but I'll count it anyways), all of the PS3s AA titles are multiplatform console games, and the vast majority of those AA titles are sports games. Nobody on System Wars likes sports games, and nobody on System Wars cares about multiplats.

3 out of the 5 AAA 360 games are multiplats... explain that to me? 

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#36 Roy_Drage
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[QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

shungokustasu

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not? 

Automated typical fanboy lemmings response = "Because they are on the Waitstation 3, teh Sony Suxxors, teh 4d, teh giant enemy crabs, teh 1080p 60fps".     

You'll never catch a lemming admit that Resistance buries PDZ, like reality suggests, or that motorstorm (regardless of one sites score) owns that rehashed PGR3 (cheap Gt ripoff) crap. 

Thats just the facts about fanboys, reality fails to factor into their lives.       And for the lemmings that mentioned Kameo, I managed to force myself to finsish the game before it got hoiked on ebay (came as freebie with my system), seriously, guys, it may have had pretty graphics, but the gameplay was stilted, stiff, & very limited... In short, I much preferred Ratchet, Jak, Mario, Banjo (when Rare were great & had the Free Radical guys) & many other better playng platformers.     

Kameo was a below par platformer with outstanding graphics, thats all the game had going for it..  As for PDZ......Comon, have any of you lemmings even ever played Goldeneye on N64....Even now, that 12 year old master piece shames PDZ's lame attempts at FPS's.  

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#37 Sarge1442
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The 360 had a great launch lineup kameo was awesome  best 360 next to gears imo PDZ was good no halo2 or gears still a great game project gothem 3 call of duty 2 condemed ,Madden was a good rental for you and freinds.Then a couple months later we got exclusives like DOA4,oblivion and GRAW.Now at this current time comparing launches  the ps3 doesnt even have close to that lineup.
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#38 heretrix
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If the cows had shut up about how much ownage the PS3 was going to do to ALL consoles pre launch, and had not relentlessly bashed the 360 on how TERRIBLE their launch lineup was, they wouldn't be in this embarrasing situation where they have to defend a 600 dollar console with a weak library that isn't better than the library of the console it was supposed to destroy.

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[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

shungokustasu

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not?

The answer basically is that with the exceptions of Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Ridge Racer 7, Tekken: Dark Resurrection (a PSP port, so that isn't usually brought up) and Motorstorm (which technically isn't AA, but I'll count it anyways), all of the PS3s AA titles are multiplatform console games, and the vast majority of those AA titles are sports games. Nobody on System Wars likes sports games, and nobody on System Wars cares about multiplats.

3 out of the 5 AAA 360 games are multiplats... explain that to me?

To be fair, all of the PS3's AAAs are multiplats ;) 

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#40 toxicmog
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*rushes to GAME*

Trades in every game he has for more copies of gears. I must have more copies of this great game :roll: 

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#41 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Whatever, It's not just the "blind" fanboys saying it. Some well respected 360 fans says the same thing. foxhound_fox


They actually say the games are "bad." Or do they say they do not enjoy them?

Com'on it the popular thing to say on SW. PS3 has no good games and it's expensive. 360 fans easliy rant about Dead Rising, Kameo, and COD2 as great ames, but quickly say PS3 has no good games? Double standard...

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#42 fatzombiepigeon
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[QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

shungokustasu

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not? 

They are.

But were there as many of them, without as much hype?

Everyone calls them flops, but everyone knows they're decent games unless their name is like PS3_3DO
I appreciate all good games, even if I myself don't like them.

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[QUOTE="KodiakGTS"]

You're kidding about waiting for decent games right? Now this figure is from like a month ago, because I'm too lazy to count again, but anyway, another Cow mentioned how PS3 had 3 games he really considered must haves, and the X360 didn't even have that many. His game choices were Resistance, Motorstorm, and VF5. I did some research in response to his post, and as of about a month ago X360 had 59 games that scored as high or higher than VF5's score of 7.9...

Yep, we have no decent games to play at all...

shungokustasu

Well, don't mislead yourself. 360 was out a year earlier. I'm not saying 360 don't have good games, just saying it's time to pay respect to the good games that are on the PS3.

I've already been paying respect to the good games PS3 has, and even the upcoming ones that show promise (Lair, Heavenly Sword, Eight Days, MGS4).

But lets face it. TC's entire topic about 360 gamers having to wait for everything is purely hypocritical. How mant threads are still saying "Just wait 2 years for PS3 to be showing it's potential", "wait for that price drop and they'll be flying off the shelves", "wait for gameX to come out and PS3 will leave 360 in its dust" ??

Oh and if you're looking for the obvious sign that TC is a fakeboy - he says he's been on GS for 18 months... and he's ONLY A LEVEL 3 POSTER??? Somethin' ain't smellin right in this kitchen. 

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#44 sonicmj1
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[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

shungokustasu

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not?

The answer basically is that with the exceptions of Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Ridge Racer 7, Tekken: Dark Resurrection (a PSP port, so that isn't usually brought up) and Motorstorm (which technically isn't AA, but I'll count it anyways), all of the PS3s AA titles are multiplatform console games, and the vast majority of those AA titles are sports games. Nobody on System Wars likes sports games, and nobody on System Wars cares about multiplats.

3 out of the 5 AAA 360 games are multiplats... explain that to me?

And those games don't tend to be brought up as frequently as the exclusive Gears of War. And even that is a better record than the PS3's single AAA title, which is a multiplat that could be found on the 360 a year ago. 

I'm not saying it's just, but that's how System Wars usually works. If a game can be found on a competitor's console, it may as well not exist, especially if they're simultaneous releases. Multiplatform titles aren't deciding factors in a console debate, and the PS3 has a fairly limited number of AA-quality exclusives relative to the 360 or Wii. Your preference for those exclusives will be a major factor in how you feel about the console at this point in time. 

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#45 MCGSMB
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[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="blurb1324"]

PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, CoD2, Condmened were available at launch, off the top of my head.

That's plenty right off the bat.

shungokustasu

My question to you is. If those games are accepted as good games, why the PS3 AA games are not?

The answer basically is that with the exceptions of Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Ridge Racer 7, Tekken: Dark Resurrection (a PSP port, so that isn't usually brought up) and Motorstorm (which technically isn't AA, but I'll count it anyways), all of the PS3s AA titles are multiplatform console games, and the vast majority of those AA titles are sports games. Nobody on System Wars likes sports games, and nobody on System Wars cares about multiplats.

3 out of the 5 AAA 360 games are multiplats... explain that to me? 

1 out of the 1 AAA PS3 games are multiplats... explain that to me? 

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The best post I ever read on SW. QFTMFT!shungokustasu

Wow 

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A lot saying a little -- a perfect rant.

Strictly regarding the 'Waitbox 360' comment, I fully disagree.

Launch - A bunch of AA-AAA titles (some exclusive). Better then its competition's efforts.**
Spring (from Launch) - An additional exclusive AA with 2 AAA multi-plats. Superior.**
Summer (from Spring) - Again, more solid AA exclusive titles. Not comparable.
Fall (from Summer) - More AA, AAA titles, and a system seller-AAA exclusive. Not comparable.
Winter (from Fall) - A bit of a drought, solid releases which outnumber the competition.
Spring (from Winter) - A continuation of solid titles, outnumbering the competition.

** = Comparing their respective times (example: Wii's 07 Spring to 360's 06 Spring).

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I just love at how cows are trying to paint themselves as victims unfairly bashed by the lemming fanboys as if they did nothing to make people want to completely humiliate them if the PS3 flopped.  It's freakin hilarious.
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I'm sorry, but I'm calling "wtf" on Adobe, Fatz, and sonic. I have never seen you guys admit to a good game on the PS3. lol, I'm not saying you haven't or anything. Just finding it a little funny that now when I call out the double standard, you guys quickly saying PS3 does have good games... It's the first I ever seen you guys say this.
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Lets all hammer on the PS3 & cows for the waitstation,  When we all know perfectly well that the 360 was the original machine for the overly patient, excuse baring gamer.  

Hardcore lemmings told us how great the mediocre filled 360 lineup was with half assed Rare efforts like PDZ & Kameo, when they were really waiting over a year for GeOW.    Now that game has gone & passed, they are patiently waiting again for their only other decent game they'll get this gen in Halo 3: Downgrade.  

You fellas should learn not to throw stones in glass houses, as you all know that by the end of this gen. you are all gonna look completely foolish & will come on here in rare events & complain about how cows are exacting their sw's revenge with multiple topic about how the ps3 pwnzers the 360, & how dvd 9's were abondoned by most good developers, in favour of the bigger, better storage medium.       

I am by no means a 360 hater, I like all consoles.  I just find it hilarious on here, that as long as I've been frequenting this site (about 18months), lemmings have been doing nothing but making non stop topics about PS3 bashing & gatecrashing any good news topics for PS3, with negativity.      Then when quizzed about why you feel it neccessary to bash any one system, I got the excuse that "cows used to do it", "cow are the worst fanboys on SW's".    

Now from my short experience on SW's, I have seen lemmings acting worse than cows, by condemning their actions, whislt in the same breath, doing exactly what they vilified the cows for doing.   Then they hit the all time low, by proclaiming that they are doing it as a revenge act.....instead of just admitting freely that they are just the same rabid fanboy as these cows, the only difference being the brand name they wear on their heart sleave.

If you lemmings wish to claim ownage with things like xbl being the better selling point for 360...I think you need to research the facts better.   You say casuals won't pay $499 or $599 for a PS3, but then seem to think that casuals will pay $399 for a system & also pay a yearly $50 subscription for an online service they really are oblivious to for anything but gaming.  So in the real world sense, wouldn't casuals be more sold on a system that is a one time, one off payment, that is straightforward to use for what consoles were meant for....gaming.       Casuals really don't care for all that friends crap, chat, & all the other non gameplay enhancing features....I myself, as a hardcore console gamer, really don't care about the bells & whistles either....It's nice for a "gloating" standpoint, but in nearly all cases I, & the majority, never use it.     Half the fun of playing online, is to play against people you don't know, so friends lists are irrellevent for me, along with alot of the other features that some people hold in such high esteem.   

and don't even get me started on achievement points & how toss that joke is.   If games aren't fun enough to play extensively online or off, then they are not worth my money.        You waitboxers have been playing half baked games for too long for achievement points.....That is sad & shows that MS has dangled a rotten carrot in your faces, to keep you appeased until one other worthwhile game arrives on your console of choice.      It saddens me that Sony are implementing this trophy crap, to allow the same kind of new age gamer mentality, to get in the way of actually being able to play truly great games, simply because they are fun.   

End of rant....Close massive wall of text.

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