The Wii. A Reality Check.

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#1 Gamtrix
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Last Gen Hardware. Check.

An excuse of an online service. Check.

Lack of Third Party Multiplat support. Check.

  • Wii Library Stats.

1 AAAA

8 AAA

54 AA

87 A

  • 360 Library Stats.

1 AAAA

34 AAA

122 AA

146 A

  • PS3 Library Stats.

2 AAAA

32 AAA

98 AA

106 A

  • Sure the 360 has an advatage because it released a year earlier, but even compared to the PS3 that launched at the same time, how is the Wii even competing? Why do people get crazy defensive with the Wii and try to make it seem like it's just as good as the HD consoles or better. The Wii isn't in the same league imo, I know it's part of SW, but come on. It's library is laughable, 8 AAA games in like 5 years? This can't be right...
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if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

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#3 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Also: It's awesome.
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#4 lundy86_4
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Well, i'm glad I have you around to state the glaringly awesome.

It's still a great console.

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#5 SaltyMeatballs
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Great games. Check. I'm not going to bother arguing whether is has 100 of this high scoring games, or 100 of that, because most people barely scratch the surface of a consoles library. But the Wii does have great games, that can't be denied. Enough to warrant a purchase, IMO.
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#6 bobcheeseball
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Because it has the most high scoring exclusives then any other console this gen PC aside which sort of makes up for the lack of multiplats.

All and all I say it's an awesome secondary console.

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Also: It's awesome.IronBass

Win.:P

btw, love your sig.

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#8 Gamtrix
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if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner
You see the glass half full, I can't not notice how in 5+ years, it's only gotten 8 AAA games, that's beyond shockingly bad. Has any "successfull" console EVER had such a bad run?
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#9 topgunmv
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if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner

Do you only play exclusives?

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#10 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

topgunmv

Do you only play exclusives?

No one cares about multiplats here.
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Looks great to me over150 titles that have scored above an A. I don't know about you I only own 40+ Wii games and some of them are not A titles. So thanks for letting me know there still many more games for me to play. ;)

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#12 o0squishy0o
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

topgunmv

Do you only play exclusives?

In all fairness you would not want to play anything but the exclusives on the wii :P Also what awesome games does the wii have? Currently watching my friend play SMG:2 and wow its basically the same game as on my sisters DS but with a crazy 3D world and sometimes a horrible camera angle :P
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#13 ActicEdge
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The only thing that that told me was that the PS3 and 360 are more critically acclaimed which i already knew. Also told me that there is quite a bit to play on the Wii. For the taste of my peers and SW as a whole I would never recommend the wii as a first system but the high ammount of exclusives (in more unique genres as well) make it a great addition to any other system.

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#14 tagyhag
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Pro-Wii thread: Only exclusives Anti-Wii thread: Multiplats MUST be counted I love the never-failing trend. :lol:
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

topgunmv

Do you only play exclusives?

did i say i did?

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#16 LegatoSkyheart
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Yeah the Wii isn't anything like the other Systems but that doesn't make the freakin' Wii garbage.

It has some pretty top notch games like Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, Guilty Gear, Monster Hunter Tri, Wario, Muramasa The Demon Blade. And some up Coming titles like Donkey Kong Country Returns and Kirby's Epic Yarn.

Plus the Wii has a Wide Variety of Classic Games to choose from as well as New ones.

And The Whole Reason why the 360 and PS3 are getting Motion Controls is because of the Nintendo Wii might I add. and I guess Microsoft got Jealous a bit early because the Xbox 360 didn't have Avatars until the Wii Came out.

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#17 dontshackzmii
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nintendo first party>>> all

the wii has a decent line up .

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#18 SilverChimera
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

SaltyMeatballs

Do you only play exclusives?

No one cares about multiplats here.

That explains the 100 page Mass Effect 2 thread.
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#19 Gamtrix
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Looks great to me over150 titles that have scored above an A. I don't know about you I only own 40+ Wii games and some of them are not A titles. So thanks for letting me know there still many more games for me to play. ;)

HarlockJC
I don't get this place... When it comes to the PC, 360 and PS3 everything is about comparing, competing, being better then the other, finding out which is the superior platform, when it comes to the Wii it gets a free pass. Honestly, my first ever console was a NES, I loved growing up with Nintendo but this too me seems like a really bad case of Nintendo Nostalgia. Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...
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That explains the 100 page Mass Effect 2 thread.SilverChimera

If the term consoleexclusive would have never been made, that thread wouldn't have been as large. ;)

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

topgunmv

Do you only play exclusives?

Unfortunately, the Wii has missed out on some amazing multiplatform games :(. Not saying other people couldn't satisfy their gaming needs this gen with only a Wii, but I sure coudln't survive with only a WIi
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#22 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner

Do you only play exclusives?

did i say i did?

What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.

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Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...Gamtrix
Else what? Some people disagree? That's kinda to be expected in a internet forum, don't you think?
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#24 Half-Way
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what do always cows say when it comes to wii having more exclusives?

quality > quantity?

well i guess Mario galaxy and mario galaxy 2 as the higest rated games this gen.

QUALITY > quantity :P

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[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...IronBass
Else what? Some people disagree? That's kinda to be expected in a internet forum, don't you think?

It's deeper then simply disagreeing with certain franchises like Mario, Zelda and Halo. It's a downright taboo to knock on them.
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#26 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Do you only play exclusives?

topgunmv

did i say i did?

What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.

The idea is exclusives give a system an identity that can't be stolen. If I had to choose between getting all the multiplats the Wii lost or keeping the exclusives I'd take the exclusives. There value is what will always make a system worth a purchase. If you have a PS3, would a 360 be the best purchase with its lack in exclusive content?

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#27 Gamtrix
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what do always cows say when it comes to wii having more exclusives?

quality > quantity?

well i guess Mario galaxy and mario galaxy 2 as the higest rated games this gen.

QUALITY > quantity :P

Half-Way
Noone can take taway that the Wii is king of platformers, it just sucks everywhere else.
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#28 GabuEx
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As I illustrated in a past blog post, the Wii is in fact in a better position than the Gamecube was in terms of actually giving prospective owners a good reason to own it, as it has many more games on it relative to the competition that you can't play anywhere else than the Gamecube, whose good games for the most part could also be played on the other consoles:

The bottom line really is that, regardless of which console "wins" in terms of the number of quality games on it, there are a ton of games this generation that one will entirely miss if one does not own a Wii. And, of course, there are also a ton of games this generation that one will entirely miss if one does not own an Xbox 360 or a PS3, which is why I own a 360 as well. Single-console owners will always miss out, no matter what.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Do you only play exclusives?

topgunmv

did i say i did?

What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.

because the wii would make an outstanding secondary system.

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#30 ActicEdge
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The best part of the Wii is that on its own there is a good bit to play but it adds very little over lap if you pair it with any other system.

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#31 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"]Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...Gamtrix
Else what? Some people disagree? That's kinda to be expected in a internet forum, don't you think?

It's deeper then simply disagreeing with certain franchises like Mario, Zelda and Halo. It's a downright taboo to knock on them.

You can knock those franchises, its just that their passionate fanbases expect extremely good reasons as to why.

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#32 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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It's deeper then simply disagreeing with certain franchises like Mario, Zelda and Halo. It's a downright taboo to knock on them. Gamtrix
I fail to see why you say that. TONS of people do that.
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#33 Mitazaki
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Do I have more games for my wii than my 360? Check.
Do I have more fun playing my wii than my 360? Check.
Is there more games out for the wii that I want over my 360? Check.
Is there more games coming out for the wii that I am looking foward than the ones coming out for 360? Check.

Seems like the wii is doing fine to me, sure it lacks the big multiplat games, graphics are no where near as good as the other two consoles and its online is rather poor but it does have some of the best exclusives. The wii is by far not perfect nor is it my favourite nintendo system but it what it can do, allows it to hang with the other two consoles.

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#34 Sky-
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because the wii would make an outstanding secondary system.

CaseyWegner

It's not exactly a compliment if a certain system excels at being a secondary system...just saying. It does have some really nice exclusives here and there, and the rest of the 2010 lineup looks pretty solid for the system.

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I don't get this place... When it comes to the PC, 360 and PS3 everything is about comparing, competing, being better then the other, finding out which is the superior platform, when it comes to the Wii it gets a free pass. Honestly, my first ever console was a NES, I loved growing up with Nintendo but this too me seems like a really bad case of Nintendo Nostalgia. Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...Gamtrix

Uh No it doesn't. Just no one wants to bring it up now cause they refer to the phrase "Beating on a Dead Horse".

It's been way too over done and every once in awhile there comes someone like you that bashes the Wii to oblivion and someone has to come and defend the console.

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#36 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

did i say i did?

ActicEdge

What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.

The idea is exclusives give a system an identity that can't be stolen. If I had to choose between getting all the multiplats the Wii lost or keeping the exclusives I'd take the exclusives. There value is what will always make a system worth a purchase. If you have a PS3, would a 360 be the best purchase with its lack in exclusive content?

It depends on which content appeals to your tastes more. If you love nintendo's franchises then obviously the wii would be a strong contender when it comes time to make a purchase. However, the TC wasn't dividing games by category, just an overall library comparison.

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#37 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

because the wii would make an outstanding secondary system.

Sky-

It's not exactly a compliment if a certain system excels at being a secondary system...just saying. It does have some really nice exclusives here and there, and the rest of the 2010 lineup looks pretty solid for the system.

It is when you're a PC gamer. :3
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[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] I don't get this place... When it comes to the PC, 360 and PS3 everything is about comparing, competing, being better then the other, finding out which is the superior platform, when it comes to the Wii it gets a free pass. Honestly, my first ever console was a NES, I loved growing up with Nintendo but this too me seems like a really bad case of Nintendo Nostalgia. Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...LegatoSkyheart

Uh No it doesn't. Just no one wants to bring it up now cause they refer to the phrase "Beating on a Dead Horse".

It's been way too over done and every once in awhile there comes someone like you that bashes the Wii to oblivion and someone has to come and defend the console.

Well then maybe it's just my perception, but I've haven't seen ANYONE diss the Wii without getting teared apart by tons of posters, even Mods come to it's defense, it's like they turn on the Bat Light.
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#39 HarlockJC
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Looks great to me over150 titles that have scored above an A. I don't know about you I only own 40+ Wii games and some of them are not A titles. So thanks for letting me know there still many more games for me to play. ;)

Gamtrix
I don't get this place... When it comes to the PC, 360 and PS3 everything is about comparing, competing, being better then the other, finding out which is the superior platform, when it comes to the Wii it gets a free pass. Honestly, my first ever console was a NES, I loved growing up with Nintendo but this too me seems like a really bad case of Nintendo Nostalgia. Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...

Sure you can say things bad about any game. It's just the people who are playing the games laugh at the idea that Nostalgia the only reason they are buying the games. There is a reason why most Nintendo games score well on so many sites, you can't just say all the gaming press are looking at these games though Nostalgia glasses. It does not work that way. Heck the NES is almost 25 years old now. There are whole generations of gamers who have never played a Nintendo system until the Wii came out. I speak as a gamer. I own every system I buy any game I want to play personally I am not a fan sim racers, sim sports or a lot of shooters. So that why so many games on the Wii appeal to me more than games on other systems. I do own like 20 games on PS3, then another 20 on the 360, and around 50 games on the PC. As a gamer looking at games coming out and not liking the titles I spoke about the Wii library looks amazing. Kirby looks to be one of the best platforumers out. This is right after Nintendo came out with two of the best platfrolmers already. It's not nostalgia that is making these games good. It's great game mechanics.
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#40 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

because the wii would make an outstanding secondary system.

Sky-

It's not exactly a compliment if a certain system excels at being a secondary system...just saying. It does have some really nice exclusives here and there, and the rest of the 2010 lineup looks pretty solid for the system.

Yes it is, I mean, obviously the Wii is not the best syste, ever (and prob the worst this gen) but when it comes time to make a second purchase for someone the Wii is practically an awesome choice because the best games on it have virtually no overlap at all. When you look back at a system in 10 years its the exclusives that it had that will probably justify its purchase over the multiplats.

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#41 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

what do always cows say when it comes to wii having more exclusives?

quality > quantity?

well i guess Mario galaxy and mario galaxy 2 as the higest rated games this gen.

QUALITY > quantity :P

Gamtrix

Noone can take taway that the Wii is king of platformers, it just sucks everywhere else.

thats just like the HD consoles then! :o

they only have shooters that are good, everything else sucks

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#42 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.

topgunmv

The idea is exclusives give a system an identity that can't be stolen. If I had to choose between getting all the multiplats the Wii lost or keeping the exclusives I'd take the exclusives. There value is what will always make a system worth a purchase. If you have a PS3, would a 360 be the best purchase with its lack in exclusive content?

It depends on which content appeals to your tastes more. If you love nintendo's franchises then obviously the wii would be a strong contender when it comes time to make a purchase. However, the TC wasn't dividing games by category, just an overall library comparison.

In an overall library contest the Wii will always be last. I was simply providing the idea of why the exclusives do place the Wii in a favourable position.

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if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner
you got a link ?
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#44 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The idea is exclusives give a system an identity that can't be stolen. If I had to choose between getting all the multiplats the Wii lost or keeping the exclusives I'd take the exclusives. There value is what will always make a system worth a purchase. If you have a PS3, would a 360 be the best purchase with its lack in exclusive content?

ActicEdge

It depends on which content appeals to your tastes more. If you love nintendo's franchises then obviously the wii would be a strong contender when it comes time to make a purchase. However, the TC wasn't dividing games by category, just an overall library comparison.

In an overall library contest the Wii will always be last. I was simply providing the idea of why the exclusives do place the Wii in a favourable position.

For sure. I'm just pointing out that, obvious as his intentions may be, that it is outside the purview of what the TC was comparing.

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#45 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

Ratchet_Fan8

you got a link ?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=3

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#46 CaseyWegner
Member since 2002 • 70152 Posts

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

It depends on which content appeals to your tastes more. If you love nintendo's franchises then obviously the wii would be a strong contender when it comes time to make a purchase. However, the TC wasn't dividing games by category, just an overall library comparison.

topgunmv

In an overall library contest the Wii will always be last. I was simply providing the idea of why the exclusives do place the Wii in a favourable position.

For sure. I'm just pointing out that, obvious as his intentions may be, that it is outside the purview of what the TC was comparing.

or maybe he was unaware.

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#47 Phaze-Two
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if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner

exclusives are good because they contribute to only one systems overall library, but since Wiis library is way worse, the exclusives it has aren't close to being enough to put it over the other 2 consoles let alone the PC.

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#48 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

In an overall library contest the Wii will always be last. I was simply providing the idea of why the exclusives do place the Wii in a favourable position.

CaseyWegner

For sure. I'm just pointing out that, obvious as his intentions may be, that it is outside the purview of what the TC was comparing.

or maybe he was unaware.

Since he mentioned everything except exclusives, I think it's pretty safe to say that he had an idea.

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#49 BuryMe
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Ok... And out of those games, the Wii has way more games I would consider playing.

It's competing because it's fun. that's all it needs to be, and it's succeeding very well

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#50 Gamtrix
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[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Looks great to me over150 titles that have scored above an A. I don't know about you I only own 40+ Wii games and some of them are not A titles. So thanks for letting me know there still many more games for me to play. ;)

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I don't get this place... When it comes to the PC, 360 and PS3 everything is about comparing, competing, being better then the other, finding out which is the superior platform, when it comes to the Wii it gets a free pass. Honestly, my first ever console was a NES, I loved growing up with Nintendo but this too me seems like a really bad case of Nintendo Nostalgia. Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else...

Sure you can say things bad about any game. It's just the people who are playing the games laugh at the idea that Nostalgia the only reason they are buying the games. There is a reason why most Nintendo games score well on so many sites, you can't just say all the gaming press are looking at these games though Nostalgia glasses. It does not work that way. Heck the NES is almost 25 years old now. There are whole generations of gamers who have never played a Nintendo system until the Wii came out. I speak as a gamer. I own every system I buy any game I want to play personally I am not a fan sim racers, sim sports or a lot of shooters. So that why so many games on the Wii appeal to me more than games on other systems. I do own like 20 games on PS3, then another 20 on the 360, and around 50 games on the PC. As a gamer looking at games coming out and not liking the titles I spoke about the Wii library looks amazing. Kirby looks to be one of the best platforumers out. This is right after Nintendo came out with two of the best platfrolmers already. It's not nostalgia that is making these games good. It's great game mechanics.

I didn't mean it like that, I know the high scoring Wii games are great games, what I don't get is if the PS3 has such a library as the Wii it would be so ridiculed it wouldn't even be funny, Sony would get DESTROYED by the press and by gaming forums everywhere. But people around here treat the Wii like it's actually beating the PS3, like in Stevo's thread. I just don't get how. Even this "but it has x excluisves" to me sounds like spin, I mean how can you not be dissapointed with Nintendo when they only have 8 AAA games since the beginning of this generation.