i absolutely hate the wii, but it has still sold millions it was a good business move by nintendo.
The Wii. A Reality Check.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.
Phaze-Two
exclusives are good because they contribute to only one systems overall library, but since Wiis library is way worse, the exclusives it has aren't close to being enough to put it over the other 2 consoles let alone the PC.
you got a link? :P
Last Gen Hardware. Check.
An excuse of an online service. Check.
Lack of Third Party Multiplat support. Check.
- Wii Library Stats.
1 AAAA
8 AAA
54 AA
87 A
- 360 Library Stats.
1 AAAA
34 AAA
122 AA
146 A
- PS3 Library Stats.
2 AAAA
32 AAA
98 AA
106 A
- Sure the 360 has an advatage because it released a year earlier, but even compared to the PS3 that launched at the same time, how is the Wii even competing? Why do people get crazy defensive with the Wii and try to make it seem like it's just as good as the HD consoles or better. The Wii isn't in the same league imo, I know it's part of SW, but come on. It's library is laughable, 8 AAA games in like 5 years? This can't be right...
Gamtrix
do you have like a personal vendetta against the wii or something?
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
[QUOTE="topgunmv"]
Do you only play exclusives?
topgunmv
did i say i did?
What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.
yeah. giving extra points to exclusives is silly. it's already contributed to the overall library of one console and no others. that's it. that's where exclusives are so important. not because you can highlight them out of the other games and count and compare them seperately, that makes no sense.[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]You see the glass half full, I can't not notice how in 5+ years, it's only gotten 8 AAA games, that's beyond shockingly bad. Has any "successfull" console EVER had such a bad run? Ok, the scores are lower. It still has a lot of great games...if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.
Gamtrix
And it hasn't been 5+ years. it hasn't even been 4 years yet.
[QUOTE="topgunmv"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
did i say i did?
Phaze-Two
What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.
yeah. giving extra points to exclusives is silly. it's already contributed to the overall library of one console and no others. that's it. that's where exclusives are so important. not because you can highlight them out of the other games and count and compare them seperately, that makes no sense.You really should read through a whole thread, especially when it's short, before commenting. It's been covered.
[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]
Last Gen Hardware. Check.
An excuse of an online service. Check.
Lack of Third Party Multiplat support. Check.
- Wii Library Stats.
1 AAAA
8 AAA
54 AA
87 A
- 360 Library Stats.
1 AAAA
34 AAA
122 AA
146 A
- PS3 Library Stats.
2 AAAA
32 AAA
98 AA
106 A
- Sure the 360 has an advatage because it released a year earlier, but even compared to the PS3 that launched at the same time, how is the Wii even competing? Why do people get crazy defensive with the Wii and try to make it seem like it's just as good as the HD consoles or better. The Wii isn't in the same league imo, I know it's part of SW, but come on. It's library is laughable, 8 AAA games in like 5 years? This can't be right...
Km0n
do you have like a personal vendetta against the wii or something?
yeah that's gotta be it.
what does that even mean? why not just say "you just don't like the wii", I guess that just sounds too obvious so wording it differently makes it sound like a less pointless statement.
Are you telling me you have the time and budget to play all those games? All this post proves is that every system has a large amount of games to play.
[QUOTE="Sky-"]
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
because the wii would make an outstanding secondary system.
ActicEdge
It's not exactly a compliment if a certain system excels at being a secondary system...just saying. It does have some really nice exclusives here and there, and the rest of the 2010 lineup looks pretty solid for the system.
Yes it is, I mean, obviously the Wii is not the best syste, ever (and prob the worst this gen) but when it comes time to make a second purchase for someone the Wii is practically an awesome choice because the best games on it have virtually no overlap at all. When you look back at a system in 10 years its the exclusives that it had that will probably justify its purchase over the multiplats.
I agree. And when you look at 360 and PS3, they are very similar. If you have one, getting the other would provide a very similar experience. This is why Wii is good as a secondary, different experience, unique games, and some hidden gems. If you've got the money, get all of them :P I am not so sure about exclusives being what justifies a purchase, unless you are still talking about as a secondary console.you got a link ?[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.
CaseyWegner
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=3
hmm..oki ,good enough
I didn't mean it like that, I know the high scoring Wii games are great games, what I don't get is if the PS3 has such a library as the Wii it would be so ridiculed it wouldn't even be funny, Sony would get DESTROYED by the press and by gaming forums everywhere. But people around here treat the Wii like it's actually beating the PS3, like in Stevo's thread. I just don't get how. Even this "but it has x excluisves" to me sounds like spin, I mean how can you not be dissapointed with Nintendo when they only have 8 AAA games since the beginning of this generation.GamtrixThis is system wars everyone has an opinion. Out of the 3 ways you can say one system beats another the Wii is winning. You are kind of a new poster if you go back to the past the main three ways are Sales, exclusives and over all library. Out of those three things the Wii is winning two of them. So you can see now some people do come to the conclusion that the Wii is winning. These have always been the issue debated. It's just like when 360 fans say their system winning because a game is not on the PS3. The argument does not really work because you can play a game on another system. So PS3 fans would say well I also own a PC so it does not matter. All Wii owners have to say is I own one of the three other systems. In the end there is still 50 titles on the Wii that are A and above which can only be played on it's system. That 3 to 4 times the attachment rate for a system.
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="Sky-"]
It's not exactly a compliment if a certain system excels at being a secondary system...just saying. It does have some really nice exclusives here and there, and the rest of the 2010 lineup looks pretty solid for the system.
SaltyMeatballs
Yes it is, I mean, obviously the Wii is not the best syste, ever (and prob the worst this gen) but when it comes time to make a second purchase for someone the Wii is practically an awesome choice because the best games on it have virtually no overlap at all. When you look back at a system in 10 years its the exclusives that it had that will probably justify its purchase over the multiplats.
I agree. And when you look at 360 and PS3, they are very similar. If you have one, getting the other would provide a very similar experience. This is why Wii is good as a secondary, different experience, unique games, and some hidden gems. If you've got the money, get all of them :P I am not so sure about exclusives being what justifies a purchase, unless you are still talking about as a secondary console.Yup, secondary system purchase. the Wii isn't a horrible first purchase you need to know exactly what you like for it to be worth it.
you got a link ?[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.
CaseyWegner
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=3
I think you should have just posted that link from the beginning to shut everyone up. :Pyeah. giving extra points to exclusives is silly. it's already contributed to the overall library of one console and no others. that's it. that's where exclusives are so important. not because you can highlight them out of the other games and count and compare them seperately, that makes no sense.[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]
What point was there in bringing it up then? Exclusives are included in the overall library count.
topgunmv
You really should read through a whole thread, especially when it's short, before commenting. It's been covered.
so i'm not allowed to agree with you? boy...
and i did read the whole thread. don't assume next time.
Reality check: I like Wii games more than any of the other consoles. It's pretty simple, some people prefer Little King's Story over Modern Warfare 2. Some people prefer Boom Blox over God of War. Some people prefer Galaxy over Halo. Some people prefer Metroid over Uncharted.
Bottom line is, the Wii has a great library, and quite a unique one at that. People love it, some people don't wanna even look at it because they need their block buster, blockhead violence.
Leave the sheep alone.
Reality check: I like Wii games more than any of the other consoles. It's pretty simple, some people prefer Little King's Story over Modern Warfare 2. Some people prefer Boom Blox over God of War. Some people prefer Galaxy over Halo. Some people prefer Metroid over Uncharted.
Bottom line is, the Wii has a great library, and quite a unique one at that. People love it, some people don't wanna even look at it because they need their block buster, blockhead violence.
Leave the sheep alone.trugs26
Right some people like really bad games and other people don't i get what you did there :P
I have a wii and a 360 i prefer the 360 a million times over. The wii for me is just for my kids, the only good games on it are super mario galaxy 1 and super mario galaxy 2 at the moment. They do have some pretty looking games coming out soon: new zelda, kirby, donkey kong, and metroid. But going from full 1080p online gaming to 480i or whatever it is really bugs my eyes makes it hard to look at especially on my larger TV.
anything > wii
This thread proves that Wii owners don't belong in SW. They don't fight at all. They're like the people that go "I'm right, you're wrong. The end." Not really much of an argument in any Wii thread.hexashadow13
Wii Owners DEFEND. They don't go around Picking a Fight unlike the others.
Sometimes it's best to just use Defense if you don't have a great Offense.
The Wii is a great system that has a good lineup of games, most of which you can't find on the other systems. It offers something different, which is why it has sold so well during this generation. While the pros and cons can be debated, there's no conlcusive evidence that the Wii is anything but a worthwhile system.
As with so many things in life, it isn't for everyone, but that's not Nintendo's fault.
[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]I didn't mean it like that, I know the high scoring Wii games are great games, what I don't get is if the PS3 has such a library as the Wii it would be so ridiculed it wouldn't even be funny, Sony would get DESTROYED by the press and by gaming forums everywhere. But people around here treat the Wii like it's actually beating the PS3, like in Stevo's thread. I just don't get how. Even this "but it has x excluisves" to me sounds like spin, I mean how can you not be dissapointed with Nintendo when they only have 8 AAA games since the beginning of this generation.HarlockJCThis is system wars everyone has an opinion. Out of the 3 ways you can say one system beats another the Wii is winning. You are kind of a new poster if you go back to the past the main three ways are Sales, exclusives and over all library. Out of those three things the Wii is winning two of them. So you can see now some people do come to the conclusion that the Wii is winning. These have always been the issue debated. It's just like when 360 fans say their system winning because a game is not on the PS3. The argument does not really work because you can play a game on another system. So PS3 fans would say well I also own a PC so it does not matter. All Wii owners have to say is I own one of the three other systems. In the end there is still 50 titles on the Wii that are A and above which can only be played on it's system. That 3 to 4 times the attachment rate for a system.
but there are more than 3 ways a console can win.
PS3 wins to many people because it's a BR player for example.
and exclusives being a separate point from the overall library is ridiculous and makes no sense because exclusives are part of the overall library. you might say "well thats for people who own all systems". that's irrelevant, this isn't fanboy wars, we compare each system, not each system based on what other systems someone may or may not own.I'm just gonna make a guess and say more people bought a ps3 for it's BR, than there are people who own a PS3, 360, gaming PC and Wii anyway.
I mean lets say someone makes a console which only has one game that's exclusive. the console could be $600 and have the specs of a NES and the one game it has is worse than E.T., yet according to people who would use just exclusives as the factor for determining a winner, that console would be better than a styem that is reasonlably priced with the graphics of a ps3 or 360 and 1000 games that are all multiplats and most of them are at least decent and a good amount are awesome. makes no sense.
Last Gen Hardware. Check.
An excuse of an online service. Check.
Lack of Third Party Multiplat support. Check.
- Wii Library Stats.
1 AAAA
8 AAA
54 AA
87 A
- 360 Library Stats.
1 AAAA
34 AAA
122 AA
146 A
- PS3 Library Stats.
2 AAAA
32 AAA
98 AA
106 A
- Sure the 360 has an advatage because it released a year earlier, but even compared to the PS3 that launched at the same time, how is the Wii even competing? Why do people get crazy defensive with the Wii and try to make it seem like it's just as good as the HD consoles or better. The Wii isn't in the same league imo, I know it's part of SW, but come on. It's library is laughable, 8 AAA games in like 5 years? This can't be right...
Gamtrix
[QUOTE="topgunmv"]
[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"] yeah. giving extra points to exclusives is silly. it's already contributed to the overall library of one console and no others. that's it. that's where exclusives are so important. not because you can highlight them out of the other games and count and compare them seperately, that makes no sense.Phaze-Two
You really should read through a whole thread, especially when it's short, before commenting. It's been covered.
so i'm not allowed to agree with you? boy...
and i did read the whole thread. don't assume next time.
Apologies if you did read it all, but I didn't say comparing exclusives was silly in any context, just in the context of this thread.
[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]This thread proves that Wii owners don't belong in SW. They don't fight at all. They're like the people that go "I'm right, you're wrong. The end." Not really much of an argument in any Wii thread.Phaze-Two
true that.
well a cow and a lemming say that, im so suprised :P
This is system wars everyone has an opinion. Out of the 3 ways you can say one system beats another the Wii is winning. You are kind of a new poster if you go back to the past the main three ways are Sales, exclusives and over all library. Out of those three things the Wii is winning two of them. So you can see now some people do come to the conclusion that the Wii is winning. These have always been the issue debated. It's just like when 360 fans say their system winning because a game is not on the PS3. The argument does not really work because you can play a game on another system. So PS3 fans would say well I also own a PC so it does not matter. All Wii owners have to say is I own one of the three other systems. In the end there is still 50 titles on the Wii that are A and above which can only be played on it's system. That 3 to 4 times the attachment rate for a system.[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"]I didn't mean it like that, I know the high scoring Wii games are great games, what I don't get is if the PS3 has such a library as the Wii it would be so ridiculed it wouldn't even be funny, Sony would get DESTROYED by the press and by gaming forums everywhere. But people around here treat the Wii like it's actually beating the PS3, like in Stevo's thread. I just don't get how. Even this "but it has x excluisves" to me sounds like spin, I mean how can you not be dissapointed with Nintendo when they only have 8 AAA games since the beginning of this generation.Phaze-Two
but there are more than 3 ways a console can win.
PS3 wins to many people because it's a BR player for example.
and exclusives being a separate point from the overall library is ridiculous and makes no sense because exclusives are part of the overall library. you might say "well thats for people who own all systems". that's irrelevant, this isn't fanboy wars, we compare each system, not each system based on what other systems someone may or may not own.I'm just gonna make a guess and say more people bought a ps3 for it's BR, than there are people who own a PS3, 360, gaming PC and Wii anyway.
I mean lets say someone makes a console which only has one game that's exclusive. the console could be $600 and have the specs of a NES and the one game it has is worse than E.T., yet according to people who would use just exclusives as the factor for determining a winner, that console would be better than a styem that is reasonlably priced with the graphics of a ps3 or 360 and 1000 games that are all multiplats and most of them are at least decent and a good amount are awesome. makes no sense.
Exclusives provide market differentiation. Suppose rather than its current library, you took all of the games on both the 360 and the PS3 and put them on the Wii. That would make the Wii have a great library. However, it would also make a purchase of the Wii entirely and completely pointless, because every single one of its good games exists on the other consoles as well. This is the exact problem that the Gamecube had. It had a lot of great games. But almost none of them were exclusives - so there was almost no reason at all to buy a Gamecube instead of one of the other consoles.
This generation, however, we have almost the exact opposite - the overlap between the Wii and the other two consoles is very minimal. And this, in turn, means that there is ample reason to buy a Wii, because the experience it provides its users is almost entirely different than the experience one receives from the other two consoles. As such, any comparison between the two is kind of silly, really. It's like saying that the fruit drawer of my refrigerator is better than yours because I have ten apples and you only have three oranges. Well that's all well and good, unless someone wants to eat an orange, in which case all the apples in the world aren't going to help any.
Aw,360 DOESNT HAVE ANY AAAA and ps3 only has 1 AAAA gta4 doesnt count its a MultiLast Gen Hardware. Check.
An excuse of an online service. Check.
Lack of Third Party Multiplat support. Check.
- Wii Library Stats.
1 AAAA
8 AAA
54 AA
87 A
- 360 Library Stats.
1 AAAA
34 AAA
122 AA
146 A
- PS3 Library Stats.
2 AAAA
32 AAA
98 AA
106 A
- Sure the 360 has an advatage because it released a year earlier, but even compared to the PS3 that launched at the same time, how is the Wii even competing? Why do people get crazy defensive with the Wii and try to make it seem like it's just as good as the HD consoles or better. The Wii isn't in the same league imo, I know it's part of SW, but come on. It's library is laughable, 8 AAA games in like 5 years? This can't be right...
Gamtrix
[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]
[QUOTE="HarlockJC"] This is system wars everyone has an opinion. Out of the 3 ways you can say one system beats another the Wii is winning. You are kind of a new poster if you go back to the past the main three ways are Sales, exclusives and over all library. Out of those three things the Wii is winning two of them. So you can see now some people do come to the conclusion that the Wii is winning. These have always been the issue debated. It's just like when 360 fans say their system winning because a game is not on the PS3. The argument does not really work because you can play a game on another system. So PS3 fans would say well I also own a PC so it does not matter. All Wii owners have to say is I own one of the three other systems. In the end there is still 50 titles on the Wii that are A and above which can only be played on it's system. That 3 to 4 times the attachment rate for a system. GabuEx
but there are more than 3 ways a console can win.
PS3 wins to many people because it's a BR player for example.
and exclusives being a separate point from the overall library is ridiculous and makes no sense because exclusives are part of the overall library. you might say "well thats for people who own all systems". that's irrelevant, this isn't fanboy wars, we compare each system, not each system based on what other systems someone may or may not own.I'm just gonna make a guess and say more people bought a ps3 for it's BR, than there are people who own a PS3, 360, gaming PC and Wii anyway.
I mean lets say someone makes a console which only has one game that's exclusive. the console could be $600 and have the specs of a NES and the one game it has is worse than E.T., yet according to people who would use just exclusives as the factor for determining a winner, that console would be better than a styem that is reasonlably priced with the graphics of a ps3 or 360 and 1000 games that are all multiplats and most of them are at least decent and a good amount are awesome. makes no sense.
Exclusives provide market differentiation. Suppose rather than its current library, you took all of the games on the 360 and PS3 and put them on the Wii. That would make the Wii have a great library. However, it would also make a purchase of the Wii entirely and completely pointless, because every single one of its good games exists on the other consoles as well. This is the exact problem that the Gamecube had. It had a lot of great games. But almost none of them were exclusives - so there was almost no reason at all to buy a Gamecube instead of one of the other consoles.
This generation, however, we have almost the exact opposite - the overlap between the Wii and the other two consoles is very minimal. And this, in turn, means that there is ample reason to buy a Wii, because the experience it provides its users is almost entirely different than the experience one receives from the other two consoles. As such, any comparison between the two is kind of silly, really. It's like saying that the fruit drawer of my refrigerator is better than yours because I have ten apples and you only have three oranges. Well that's all well and good, unless someone wants to eat an orange, in which case all the apples in the world aren't going to help any.
what???? how??? then i would have all of ps3 and 360 exclusives and multilplats on one sytem and would only need 1 conesole instead of 2.
review scores mean nothing
there is no reason why wii sports should not be considered the most influential and most played game this gen
disregarding it just because some gaming nerds called reviewers didnt like that game and iddnt get it doesnt mean that its the single most important piece of software this generation.
Pro-Wii thread: Only exclusives Anti-Wii thread: Multiplats MUST be counted I love the never-failing trend. :lol:tagyhagAs do I. lol As a consensus in SW we value exclusives over multiplats, but then those multiplats (which are available on the pc for the most part) are put on a pedestal to fire back at a pro Wii thread.
[QUOTE="trugs26"]
Reality check: I like Wii games more than any of the other consoles. It's pretty simple, some people prefer Little King's Story over Modern Warfare 2. Some people prefer Boom Blox over God of War. Some people prefer Galaxy over Halo. Some people prefer Metroid over Uncharted.
Bottom line is, the Wii has a great library, and quite a unique one at that. People love it, some people don't wanna even look at it because they need their block buster, blockhead violence.
Leave the sheep alone.ZzZEVOLUTIONZzZ
Right some people like really bad games and other people don't i get what you did there :P
I have a wii and a 360 i prefer the 360 a million times over. The wii for me is just for my kids, the only good games on it are super mario galaxy 1 and super mario galaxy 2 at the moment. They do have some pretty looking games coming out soon: new zelda, kirby, donkey kong, and metroid. But going from full 1080p online gaming to 480i or whatever it is really bugs my eyes makes it hard to look at especially on my larger TV.
anything > wii
interesting opinion unfortunately the majority of the people doesnt agree with you the majority of the people think that wii sports, wii fit, wii play are the best games on wii the majority of the people think that wii is the better platform then the 360 (hence the sales gap) i dont blame you for your niche tastes but you cant just ignore the fact that the wii is no.1 this genreview scores mean nothing
there is no reason why wii sports should not be considered the most influential and most played game this gen
disregarding it just because some gaming nerds called reviewers didnt like that game and iddnt get it doesnt mean that its the single most important piece of software this generation.
farnham
Sure Wii Sports is the most influential piece of software this gen, it still doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the overall library of the system is weaker than the competition.
As do I. lol As a consensus in SW we value exclusives over multiplats, but then those multiplats (which are available on the pc for the most part) are put on a pedestal to fire back at a pro Wii thread. in terms of sales wii sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> every multiplat released this gen[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Pro-Wii thread: Only exclusives Anti-Wii thread: Multiplats MUST be counted I love the never-failing trend. :lol:InfinityMugen
As do I. lol As a consensus in SW we value exclusives over multiplats, but then those multiplats (which are available on the pc for the most part) are put on a pedestal to fire back at a pro Wii thread.[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Pro-Wii thread: Only exclusives Anti-Wii thread: Multiplats MUST be counted I love the never-failing trend. :lol:InfinityMugen
it's ussually exclusives vs. overall library actually.
Looks great to me over150 titles that have scored above an A. I don't know about you I only own 40+ Wii games and some of them are not A titles. So thanks for letting me know there still many more games for me to play. ;)
I don't get this place... When it comes to the PC, 360 and PS3 everything is about comparing, competing, being better then the other, finding out which is the superior platform, when it comes to the Wii it gets a free pass. Honestly, my first ever console was a NES, I loved growing up with Nintendo but this too me seems like a really bad case of Nintendo Nostalgia. Kind of like noones allowed to say anything bad about Mario or Zelda or else... they dont get a free pass, they literally make up by having a more varied and extensive lines of first party exclusives while the others dont.Balance right there.[QUOTE="farnham"]
review scores mean nothing
there is no reason why wii sports should not be considered the most influential and most played game this gen
disregarding it just because some gaming nerds called reviewers didnt like that game and iddnt get it doesnt mean that its the single most important piece of software this generation.
ActicEdge
Sure Wii Sports is the most influential piece of software this gen, it still doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the overall library of the system is weaker than the competition.
thats your opinion if the general market felt that the wii library was so weak they wouldnt have bought it.the truth is the 360 lineup caters only to a very very specific crowd (15 to 35 males) and completely neglects kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc. and people in this forum usually fall in to the 15 to 35 male demographic and act like kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc are not worth playing games and should not be counted as they are lowely lives or something.
the PS3 lineup is a little big more diverse but in the end is focusing on that same crowd as the 360 and is overall weaker in terms of market power.
[QUOTE="InfinityMugen"]As do I. lol As a consensus in SW we value exclusives over multiplats, but then those multiplats (which are available on the pc for the most part) are put on a pedestal to fire back at a pro Wii thread. in terms of sales wii sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> every multiplat released this gen[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Pro-Wii thread: Only exclusives Anti-Wii thread: Multiplats MUST be counted I love the never-failing trend. :lol:farnham
Its bundled with the system in the majority of the world, its not something that is optional. Its sales = irrelevant.
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]
[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]
but there are more than 3 ways a console can win.
PS3 wins to many people because it's a BR player for example.
and exclusives being a separate point from the overall library is ridiculous and makes no sense because exclusives are part of the overall library. you might say "well thats for people who own all systems". that's irrelevant, this isn't fanboy wars, we compare each system, not each system based on what other systems someone may or may not own.I'm just gonna make a guess and say more people bought a ps3 for it's BR, than there are people who own a PS3, 360, gaming PC and Wii anyway.
I mean lets say someone makes a console which only has one game that's exclusive. the console could be $600 and have the specs of a NES and the one game it has is worse than E.T., yet according to people who would use just exclusives as the factor for determining a winner, that console would be better than a styem that is reasonlably priced with the graphics of a ps3 or 360 and 1000 games that are all multiplats and most of them are at least decent and a good amount are awesome. makes no sense.
Phaze-Two
Exclusives provide market differentiation. Suppose rather than its current library, you took all of the games on the 360 and PS3 and put them on the Wii. That would make the Wii have a great library. However, it would also make a purchase of the Wii entirely and completely pointless, because every single one of its good games exists on the other consoles as well. This is the exact problem that the Gamecube had. It had a lot of great games. But almost none of them were exclusives - so there was almost no reason at all to buy a Gamecube instead of one of the other consoles.
This generation, however, we have almost the exact opposite - the overlap between the Wii and the other two consoles is very minimal. And this, in turn, means that there is ample reason to buy a Wii, because the experience it provides its users is almost entirely different than the experience one receives from the other two consoles. As such, any comparison between the two is kind of silly, really. It's like saying that the fruit drawer of my refrigerator is better than yours because I have ten apples and you only have three oranges. Well that's all well and good, unless someone wants to eat an orange, in which case all the apples in the world aren't going to help any.
what???? how??? then i would have all of ps3 and 360 exclusives and multilplats on one sytem and would only need 1 conesole instead of 2.
I meant games on both the 360 and the PS3 and edited my post as such. Reply again. :P
in terms of sales wii sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> every multiplat released this gen[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="InfinityMugen"] As do I. lol As a consensus in SW we value exclusives over multiplats, but then those multiplats (which are available on the pc for the most part) are put on a pedestal to fire back at a pro Wii thread.
ActicEdge
Its bundled with the system in the majority of the world, its not something that is optional. Its sales = irrelevant.
thats the biggest misconception system warriors are making granturismo got bundled in. did anyone question those numbers ? no mario bros got bundled and tetris got bundled in too does anyone say super mario bros is irrelevant because it was bundled ? no but if it comes to wii sports then it suddenly doesnt count. the truth is the wii brand has established itself into a monster. wii sports has gone into 60 million households thats a penetration no other game has reached this gen. wii play has reached over 35 million units (thats not a bundle btw) wii fit has reached over 22 million wiifit plus and wii sports resort both reached over 15 million units.. even wii music which a lot of people consider a salesfailure still sold over 3 million units. those games are what carried the wii and yes they are more valuable then halo or call of duty[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="farnham"]
review scores mean nothing
there is no reason why wii sports should not be considered the most influential and most played game this gen
disregarding it just because some gaming nerds called reviewers didnt like that game and iddnt get it doesnt mean that its the single most important piece of software this generation.
farnham
Sure Wii Sports is the most influential piece of software this gen, it still doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the overall library of the system is weaker than the competition.
thats your opinion if the general market felt that the wii library was so weak they wouldnt have bought it. the truth is the 360 lineup caters only to a very very specific crowd (15 to 35 males) and completely neglects kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc. and people in this forum usually fall in to the 15 to 35 male demographic and act like kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc are not worth playing games and should not be counted as they are lowely lives or something.Wrong, it has the weakest library in terms of how we in SW rate and mark quality products. The general populace is not on SW, the general populace is a group of people that don't mean a damn in terms of how we conduct ourselves and system wars and that's is something you'd best get use to. Buying something because it appeals to you does not instantly mean you think its the best or it is the best based off of general terms. It means it has qualities that people find attractive and said qualities while important aren't the only one's relevant to game quality, library strength and over all polish. sorry but I am right and you are wrong.
The 360 and PS3 cater to a specific crowd but this isn't a game of tastes because tastes are reletive and you can't argue taste in a debate (aka do not waste my time on this point like you have a habit of doing). Including all the great games on the Wii vs all the great games on the other systems yeilds the Wii having the least quality products available regardless of who they are aimed at and that is the point of the thread, the point isn't sales, the point isn't appeal, the point is good games. Stay on topic for just once.
Oh, cool. I'll be sure to count the total library from now on.
PC
360
PS3
Wii
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="farnham"] in terms of sales wii sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> every multiplat released this gen farnham
Its bundled with the system in the majority of the world, its not something that is optional. Its sales = irrelevant.
thats the biggest misconception system warriors are making granturismo got bundled in. did anyone question those numbers ? no mario bros got bundled and tetris got bundled in too does anyone say super mario bros is irrelevant because it was bundled ? no but if it comes to wii sports then it suddenly doesnt count. the truth is the wii brand has established itself into a monster. wii sports has gone into 60 million households thats a penetration no other game has reached this gen. wii play has reached over 35 million units (thats not a bundle btw) wii fit has reached over 22 million wiifit plus and wii sports resort both reached over 15 million units.. even wii music which a lot of people consider a salesfailure still sold over 3 million units. those games are what carried the wii and yes they are more valuable then halo or call of dutyIts wrong to include the sales of a game that is a day one standard bundle. When a game is bundled with a system it is generally possible to find the game WITHOUT a bundle and also that that bundle will eventually be DISCONTINUED thus users have the ability to get the game not bundled IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. You are wrong, admit it.
thats your opinion if the general market felt that the wii library was so weak they wouldnt have bought it. the truth is the 360 lineup caters only to a very very specific crowd (15 to 35 males) and completely neglects kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc. and people in this forum usually fall in to the 15 to 35 male demographic and act like kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc are not worth playing games and should not be counted as they are lowely lives or something.[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
Sure Wii Sports is the most influential piece of software this gen, it still doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the overall library of the system is weaker than the competition.
ActicEdge
Wrong, it has the weakest library in terms of how we in SW rate and mark quality products. The general populace is not on SW, the general populace is a group of people that don't mean a damn in terms of how we conduct ourselves and system wars and that's is something you'd best get use to. Buying something because it appeals to you does not instantly mean you think its the best or it is the best based off of general terms. It means it has qualities that people find attractive and said qualities while important aren't the only one's relevant to game quality, library strength and over all polish. sorry but I am right and you are wrong.
The 360 and PS3 cater to a specific crowd but this isn't a game of tastes because tastes are reletive and you can't argue taste in a debate (aka do not waste my time on this point like you have a habit of doing). Including all the great games on the Wii vs all the great games on the other systems yeilds the Wii having the least quality products available regardless of who they are aimed at and that is the point of the thread, the point isn't sales, the point isn't appeal, the point is good games. Stay on topic for just once.
the system wars method of rating is antiquated and it shows how many times it just failed reflecting reality. at this point system wars is a place where 15 to 35 year old males try to convince themselves that they are the only audience game companies should care about and develop games for. since nintendo just does not care about that audience anymore nintendo is the common enemy now. if system wars fails to recognize the importance and quality of a piece like wii sports that captured far more people then any "hardcore" titles ever could, then they no longer are qualified to establish any "rating" standard. and no for a 3 year old kid or a 40 year old woman or an 80 year old man i see nothing of quality i could recommend them on ps3 or 360 therefore ps3 and 360 games are not good games for such people.thats the biggest misconception system warriors are making granturismo got bundled in. did anyone question those numbers ? no mario bros got bundled and tetris got bundled in too does anyone say super mario bros is irrelevant because it was bundled ? no but if it comes to wii sports then it suddenly doesnt count. the truth is the wii brand has established itself into a monster. wii sports has gone into 60 million households thats a penetration no other game has reached this gen. wii play has reached over 35 million units (thats not a bundle btw) wii fit has reached over 22 million wiifit plus and wii sports resort both reached over 15 million units.. even wii music which a lot of people consider a salesfailure still sold over 3 million units. those games are what carried the wii and yes they are more valuable then halo or call of duty[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
Its bundled with the system in the majority of the world, its not something that is optional. Its sales = irrelevant.
ActicEdge
Its wrong to include the sales of a game that is a day one standard bundle. When a game is bundled with a system it is generally possible to find the game WITHOUT a bundle and also that that bundle will eventually be DISCONTINUED thus users have the ability to get the game not bundled IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. You are wrong, admit it.
no im not. if bundling in wii sports and charging 50 dollars for it had hurt the sales then they would have dropped the bundle. they are still bundling it because the people are buying wii for wii sports and it keeps on selling.Sir you probably don't even own a wii. Pity being poor, you may have actually liked it.
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="farnham"] thats your opinion if the general market felt that the wii library was so weak they wouldnt have bought it. the truth is the 360 lineup caters only to a very very specific crowd (15 to 35 males) and completely neglects kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc. and people in this forum usually fall in to the 15 to 35 male demographic and act like kids, girls, elder people, soccer moms etc are not worth playing games and should not be counted as they are lowely lives or something.farnham
Wrong, it has the weakest library in terms of how we in SW rate and mark quality products. The general populace is not on SW, the general populace is a group of people that don't mean a damn in terms of how we conduct ourselves and system wars and that's is something you'd best get use to. Buying something because it appeals to you does not instantly mean you think its the best or it is the best based off of general terms. It means it has qualities that people find attractive and said qualities while important aren't the only one's relevant to game quality, library strength and over all polish. sorry but I am right and you are wrong.
The 360 and PS3 cater to a specific crowd but this isn't a game of tastes because tastes are reletive and you can't argue taste in a debate (aka do not waste my time on this point like you have a habit of doing). Including all the great games on the Wii vs all the great games on the other systems yeilds the Wii having the least quality products available regardless of who they are aimed at and that is the point of the thread, the point isn't sales, the point isn't appeal, the point is good games. Stay on topic for just once.
the system wars method of rating is antiquated and it shows how many times it just failed reflecting reality. at this point system wars is a place where 15 to 35 year old males try to convince themselves that they are the only audience game companies should care about and develop games for. since nintendo just does not care about that audience anymore nintendo is the common enemy now. if system wars fails to recognize the importance and quality of a piece like wii sports that captured far more people then any "hardcore" titles ever could, then they no longer are qualified to establish any "rating" standard. and no for a 3 year old kid or a 40 year old woman or an 80 year old man i see nothing of quality i could recommend them on ps3 or 360 therefore ps3 and 360 games are not good games for such people.SW was never ever established with the basis of reflecting the market reality. SW exist to compare systems to one another and generally it does so with the standards of people more educated on gaming than the masses because A) it makes up less than one 10000 of the gaming populace in the world and B) we are people who find enjoymment on posting on a forum about games. This isn't suspose to be some unbias sample data,the friggin forum rules require you tobe a teenager to post, of course its not going to reflect the market and no one here gives a damn about that in this particular thread because its about quality and good games, not about appeal, something you are failing to understand.
Ninendo this, Wii Sports that, what the hell does that have to do with number of AAAA, AAA, AA, and A games on the system and how many games it offers the public that are considered good quality to play? Nothing, you're just ranting on some absolutely irrelevant topic. and sorry but the importance of wii sports and its quality show little value to this thread because it is a single piece of software that has already made its mark on the thread by being included in the Wii's number of good quality games. And sorry but the rating scale of this forum while flawed and reviewer while flawed is a much better mark of quality than how much the software sold. Sales reflect quality to a point but they don't reflect all the qualities of a piece of softeware that you would get from a good review and discussion from people who have a clue of what they are talking about.
This isn't about the people that are playing the games, its not about 6 year old sally, 80 year old granpa joe, 25 year old self proclaimed gamer Arnold, this is about the quality the library itself posseses. Its pretty damn obvious that the Wii isn't the choice of the 13-35 year old male and the 360 and PS3 aren't the choice of the family friendly and include everyone demographic, that's fine, that does not affect that looking at the library as a whole for all it includes the Wii is behind.
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