The Wii. A Reality Check.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

So you agree that the 360 is better than the PS3?

Half-Way

so i guess overall library dosent count when its ps3 vs xbox360

what a surprise :P

Nice try. I never said that though.It's how all systems should be compared, IMO.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No, you're both confused, the amount of AAAA, AAA, AA and A games mean nothing to anyone here who has a true love of games. The responses to TC clear attempt to piss off people who like the Wii crashed and burned because most of SW (the credible posters) stood behind the fact that even if we think the Wii is the worst its still a fine system. Farnham is arguing something irrelevant, you can't attack the credibility of the reviewers and not propose anything better and it is beyond silly to ever quote sales as the defining standard of a quality of a product. The best look at a products quality is to review a bunch of its aspects, that's what reviews do and unless people think revewers all have a conspiracy theory to hate casual you're arguing a useless point. the peoples who imaginations were captured by Wii Sport aren't going to provide unbias information either, its just being pissy.

ActicEdge

:roll: Nobody is credible here. Seriously ;)

That's a silly thing to say, you build credibility by how you post, people who don't think credibility exists in SW generally aren't credible and think that its therefore not possible.

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

Because it has the most high scoring exclusives then any other console this gen PC aside which sort of makes up for the lack of multiplats.

All and all I say it's an awesome secondary console.

ColdP1zza

Its too bad people don't play exclusives, they play games.

I'm pretty sure...

Exclusives=Games

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner

Yes but if you look at the games, both the 360 and PS3 have more high scoring GAMES. The Wii misses out on almost ALL multiplats for it to be worth it IMHO.

However, the games it does have, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime are all very good. Their just too far between eachother.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

RandomWinner

Yes but if you look at the games, both the 360 and PS3 have more high scoring GAMES. The Wii misses out on almost ALL multiplats for it to be worth it IMHO.

However, the games it does have, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime are all very good. Their just too far between eachother.

Once again I see the posters who say Wii isn't very good because it only has a few good games here and there, either totally ignore the niche games, or try to play it off like they're not good because of a score that gets branded to them here. It's fine if you only consider mainstream blockbusters worthy of your time, but your gaming philosophy isn't the only one in town. ;)

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner

Once again I see the posters who say Wii isn't very good because it only has a few good games here and there, either totally ignore the niche games, or try to play it off like they're not good because of a score that gets branded to them here. It's fine if you only consider mainstream blockbusters worthy of your time, but your gaming philosophy isn't the only one in town. ;)

Bigboi500

I have a ps3 and gaming PC, Im not going to waste my time with niche games that may or may not be good. I still dont understand how people liked NMH, I rented it and was suprised at how bad it was. I rented the new punch out and was pissed that it was exactly like the old game in a new skin, I will stick to game on the wii that I know will be good and that seems to be the same old crap, zelda, mario and metroid.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Used to be but dosent seem so these days.StealthMonkey4

so i guess overall library dosent count when its ps3 vs xbox360

what a surprise :P

Nice try. I never said that though.It's how all systems should be compared, IMO.

well obviously you didnt say that, it was Advid-Gamer :|

unless your the same person i mean.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

so i guess overall library dosent count when its ps3 vs xbox360

what a surprise :P

Half-Way

Nice try. I never said that though.It's how all systems should be compared, IMO.

well obviously you didnt say that, it was Advid-Gamer :|

unless your the same person i mean.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Once again I see the posters who say Wii isn't very good because it only has a few good games here and there, either totally ignore the niche games, or try to play it off like they're not good because of a score that gets branded to them here. It's fine if you only consider mainstream blockbusters worthy of your time, but your gaming philosophy isn't the only one in town. ;)

Advid-Gamer

I have a ps3 and gaming PC, Im not going to waste my time with niche games that may or may not be good.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Nice try. I never said that though.It's how all systems should be compared, IMO.

tagyhag

well obviously you didnt say that, it was Advid-Gamer :|

unless your the same person i mean.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

:roll: Nobody is credible here. Seriously ;)

Advid-Gamer

That's a silly thing to say, you build credibility by how you post, people who don't think credibility exists in SW generally aren't credible and think that its therefore not possible.

I don't think it was crafty, if I wanted to I could just say you but I was making a general statement because don't like to point fingers, that's rude and not very effective in a debate. Anyway, everyone is bias, there isn't a person alive who isn't bias, its how well you handle that bias that counts and there are people around here who do it fine.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That's a silly thing to say, you build credibility by how you post, people who don't think credibility exists in SW generally aren't credible and think that its therefore not possible.

ActicEdge

I don't think it was crafty, if I wanted to I could just say you but I was making a general statement because don't like to point fingers, that's rude and not very effective in a debate. Anyway, everyone is bias, there isn't a person alive who isn't bias, its how well you handle that bias that counts and there are people around here who do it fine.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

so i guess overall library dosent count when its ps3 vs xbox360

what a surprise :P

Half-Way

Nice try. I never said that though.It's how all systems should be compared, IMO.

well obviously you didnt say that, it was Advid-Gamer :|

unless your the same person i mean.

I read your post and thought you were still replying to me, but quoted him. Nice conspiracy though, a misunderstanding definitely means that my alternative account is some person I've never seen.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well obviously you didnt say that, it was Advid-Gamer :|

unless your the same person i mean.

Advid-Gamer

plot twist

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Nice try. I never said that though.It's how all systems should be compared, IMO.

StealthMonkey4

well obviously you didnt say that, it was Advid-Gamer :|

unless your the same person i mean.

I read your post and thought you were still replying to me, but quoted him. Nice conspiracy though, a misunderstanding definitely means that my alternative account is some person I've never seen.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well obviously you didnt say that, it was Advid-Gamer :|

unless your the same person i mean.

Advid-Gamer

I read your post and thought you were still replying to me, but quoted him. Nice conspiracy though, a misunderstanding definitely means that my alternative account is some person I've never seen.

I hope everyone here doesn't hate me, lol. If they do though, too bad, I'm not here for popularity. This feels awkward, having a conversation with myself. :P

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Crafty how you tried to bash me but hide it in your wording. I dont think it is possible because I read posts here. Everyone seems biased in one way or another.Advid-Gamer

I don't think it was crafty, if I wanted to I could just say you but I was making a general statement because don't like to point fingers, that's rude and not very effective in a debate. Anyway, everyone is bias, there isn't a person alive who isn't bias, its how well you handle that bias that counts and there are people around here who do it fine.

I have more than enough moderations to show I'll do something against the rules if I think its neccessary.

but there are more than 3 ways a console can win.

PS3 wins to many people because it's a BR player for example.

and exclusives being a separate point from the overall library is ridiculous and makes no sense because exclusives are part of the overall library. you might say "well thats for people who own all systems". that's irrelevant, this isn't fanboy wars, we compare each system, not each system based on what other systems someone may or may not own.I'm just gonna make a guess and say more people bought a ps3 for it's BR, than there are people who own a PS3, 360, gaming PC and Wii anyway.

I mean lets say someone makes a console which only has one game that's exclusive. the console could be $600 and have the specs of a NES and the one game it has is worse than E.T., yet according to people who would use just exclusives as the factor for determining a winner, that console would be better than a styem that is reasonlably priced with the graphics of a ps3 or 360 and 1000 games that are all multiplats and most of them are at least decent and a good amount are awesome. makes no sense.

Phaze-Two

I have never judged a gaming system by the fact it can play movies. I guess to some that could be a big adavange. BR movies still cost to much IMO, so even though I own a PS3 and a HD tv I have not bought any.

Has I stated there have always been 3 major factors exclusives, library and sales. To answer your question ET would have to score an A or better to be in the exclusives argument. Plus part of a score is the valve of the game. Your right there a system could have 1 exclusive but the Wii had more than 50 games which scored A or better. These are 50 games which can not be found on any other system. A number of games which only the PC can beat. On another note to answer another question you had many games don't score well because the cost of the game is to high compared to the valve the game gives the player. One thing to never forget this is system wars and no system wins because really you could just say the PC wins all three areas and were done.

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner

well thats only because it cant do multiplats... If it didnt out do both in exclusives then it would be in huge trouble.

Here's where System Wars isolates itself from the real world. The second a console has 63 great games, AA or higher, that's enough. On Metacritic it actually has way more AAA and AA games than on here. The question is the quality of the great games.

People put so much weight on exclusives here in SW, so why does the importance of exclusives disappear when the Wii is brought up? Its exclusive count beats any other system. I have to agree, I wouldn't want to go back to it being my only system, although it wasn't too bad, it's nice to have the other systems to provide more games and variety. If I had to choose a system to have by itself I'd take the PS3, but I enjoy the games on the Wii as much or more than any games on the PS3.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

topgunmv

Do you only play exclusives?

Everybody knows that reviewers have lower standards for the wii, and so do we. If a Wii game gets a 9, thats great but it cant even be put in the same level as PS360 9/10 gamesJ-WOW

what do always cows say when it comes to wii having more exclusives?

quality > quantity?

well i guess Mario galaxy and mario galaxy 2 as the higest rated games this gen.

QUALITY > quantity :P

Well then maybe it's just my perception, but I've haven't seen ANYONE diss the Wii without getting teared apart by tons of posters, even Mods come to it's defense, it's like they turn on the Bat Light. Gamtrix

what do always cows say when it comes to wii having more exclusives?

quality > quantity?

well i guess Mario galaxy and mario galaxy 2 as the higest rated games this gen.

QUALITY > quantity :P

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] Noone can take taway that the Wii is king of platformers, it just sucks everywhere else. oldkingallant

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]Everybody knows that reviewers have lower standards for the wii, and so do we. If a Wii game gets a 9, thats great but it cant even be put in the same level as PS360 9/10 gamescrippled_ram

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] Noone can take taway that the Wii is king of platformers, it just sucks everywhere else. oldkingallant

Whoa, since when did the 360 get an AAAA?

Whoa, since when did the 360 get an AAAA?

ChaltierX

Whoa, since when did the 360 get an AAAA?

ChaltierX

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"][QUOTE="J-WOW"]Everybody knows that reviewers have lower standards for the wii, and so do we. If a Wii game gets a 9, thats great but it cant even be put in the same level as PS360 9/10 gamesoldkingallant

:roll: Nobody is credible here. Seriously ;)

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] Noone can take taway that the Wii is king of platformers, it just sucks everywhere else. crippled_ram

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="clone01"] really? i found zach and wiki and boomblox to differ.Nintendo_Ownes7

:roll: Nobody is credible here. Seriously ;)

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

:roll: Nobody is credible here. Seriously ;)

oldkingallant

Bottom line is, the Wii has a great library, and quite a unique one at that. People love it, some people don't wanna even look at it because they need their block buster, blockhead violence.trugs26

Agreed. There are some games that I have that many 'gamers' may not like, but I enjoyed every minute of them. I used the term 'gamers' loosely since a 'gamer' must appreciate all games no matter how they look or play (IMO of course). Let's not forget that some multiplat games on the Wii have scored better than those on the 360 and PS3. I actually prefer unique games instead of having to rehash a gamepad. That is one of the reasons I got a Wii in the first place; its unique style of gaming. Sure, I could've lived if Nintendo went with a new gamepad instead but that does get old after a while of mindless button mashing.

O.o You know what, I'm going to stop trying. The Wii is complete garbage. FACT And nothing anyone can say will change that.hexashadow13

The one thing I hate about SW is when posters try to give their opinions as facts. No one should try to force their opinions (or beliefs for that matter) onto anyone else.

Let's just have a nice (maybe) fun debate on this topic and try to keep a level-head when we all try to post our replies (hmmm)?

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

CaseyWegner

pc been around for like 20 years, not a fair comparison, the ps1 and ps2 also had alot of high scoring exclusives but they dont count toward the ps3 exclusives

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

if you look at exclusives, the wii actually has more high scoring ones than either the 360 or the ps3. only the pc beats it.

pc been around for like 20 years, not a fair comparison, the ps1 and ps2 also had alot of high scoring exclusives but they dont count toward the ps3 exclusives

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

:roll: Nobody is credible here. Seriously ;)

oldkingallant

Last Gen Hardware. Check.

An excuse of an online service. Check.

Lack of Third Party Multiplat support. Check.

• Wii Library Stats.

1 AAAA

8 AAA

54 AA

87 A

• 360 Library Stats.

1 AAAA

34 AAA

122 AA

146 A

• PS3 Library Stats.

2 AAAA

32 AAA

98 AA

106 A

• Sure the 360 has an advatage because it released a year earlier, but even compared to the PS3 that launched at the same time, how is the Wii even competing? Why do people get crazy defensive with the Wii and try to make it seem like it's just as good as the HD consoles or better. The Wii isn't in the same league imo, I know it's part of SW, but come on. It's library is laughable, 8 AAA games in like 5 years? This can't be right...