The Wii is basically a Gamecube.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

the wii is a bit more powerfull than the GC.

Super mario Galaxy Proved this.

the-very-best

I'm not really talking about that. I think it's clear that it's at least similar to the GC in terms of hardware, right? If so, it should be much cheaper since it's been years and I'm sure the development cost has gone down.

My point is that it's a new gen and their still isn't that much effort from Nintendo to correct the GC's mistakes, the major one being issues with 3rd party games.

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SER69

Here's a quick fun fact for you Wii lovers: On Metacritic, 10.34% of Wii games score above 79.999%. Out of 232 titles, only 24 of them managed to get AA or higher. :|

[QUOTE="lordlors"]

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"]I actually liked the GC more than the Wii, the Wii is just an expensive GC with a new controller, there are really few games that make it worth a purchase.Stevo_the_gamer

Comparing GC and the Wii when GC's lifetime is already over. How illogical. Only when the wii's lifetime is over can we fairly judge the consoles.

Illogical? How about we compare the Gamecubes library and the Wii's library from, roughly, the same time difference. Eh, lad?

Unfortuately, both numbers are quite sad, but here we go:

Gamecube (2001-2002) - 67 Games which scored above 69.999 at Gamerankings.

Wii (2006-2007) - 43 Games which scored above 69.999 at Gamerankings.

Whew, it's been real bad to be a Wii gamer.

2- It is overpriced. Nintendo is making a killing off this system at 250 bucks. Atleast 150 a console I'm guessingjg4xchamp

In what way? Do you have information on what each component of the Wii costs to make such an assertion?

Twilight Princess(worse zelda ever, but great game on its own merits)jg4xchamp

I have seen worse Zelda games from the Philips CD-I.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

2- It is overpriced. Nintendo is making a killing off this system at 250 bucks. Atleast 150 a console I'm guessingnoi07

In what way? Do you have information on what each component of the Wii costs to make such an assertion?

This article is from DECEMBER OF 2006, and it stated ...

Imagine how low they are now. :o

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

2- It is overpriced. Nintendo is making a killing off this system at 250 bucks. Atleast 150 a console I'm guessingnoi07

In what way? Do you have information on what each component of the Wii costs to make such an assertion?

Twilight Princess(worse zelda ever, but great game on its own merits)jg4xchamp

I have seen worse Zelda games from the Philips CD-I.

[QUOTE="noi07"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

2- It is overpriced. Nintendo is making a killing off this system at 250 bucks. Atleast 150 a console I'm guessingjg4xchamp

In what way? Do you have information on what each component of the Wii costs to make such an assertion?

Twilight Princess(worse zelda ever, but great game on its own merits)jg4xchamp

I have seen worse Zelda games from the Philips CD-I.

But... but... it's a rectangle! Not a square!

THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENCES!

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SER69

Sorry to burst your bubble, but those are Xbox/GC/PS2 graphics. Not really proving any point from the TC with those...

Wow, very nice. When I read the title I thought it was another 11 year old bashing the wii because he can't "pwnzo0r teh covnet!11!!!!" on it. Very nice post never thought of the Wii that way before, thanks for the information.Beastfrog

Yes, thats what I was expecting. I was shocked at the logic and maturity of the post.

Nintendo is getting MORE 3rd party support, but not BETTER 3rd party support. Big difference. My theory is that even if Nintendo tried their hearts out to get better, bigger 3rd party companies, they would fail. I think it has been made very clear that an awful lot of companies HATE the Wii. Have companies outright said they hate the Wii? No. But, for a console to sell as many units as Wii has, and for those bigger, better 3rd party companies not even considering coming on board to work on Wii has made the "hate" statement crystal clear. They would rather risk huge financial investments in PS3 and 360 games.

Yes, Wii is on track to have far more games than Gamecube ever had. But the quality of most 3rd party titles is absolutely horrendous. And then even Square Enix released a 5.5 rated game on Wii. Square Enix would NEVER DO THAT for 360 or PS3. Never. So, even the bigger companies that are willing to work on Wii games aren't even trying. Of course, Ubisoft is the biggest culprit. Sure, they've had maybe 2 good titles on Wii out of like 20...Whereas with 360, nearly ever title is great. Wii is a dumping ground for shovelware. I fully expect the next Square Enix title to be horrible. And I'm worried that Prince of Persia on Wii will be the worst Prince of Persia ever.

Never in my life have I seen a system sell so well, yet get so much shovelware at the same time. PS1 sold really well and had a lot of great titles. PS2 sold really well and had a lot of great titles. NES sold really well and had a lot of great titles. SNES sold really well and had a lot of great titles. Wii is selling really well and DOES NOT have a lot of great titles. Pretty sad. Yes, NES, SNES, PS1, and PS2 had their fair share of shovelware. But it wasn't nearly as bad as the vomit-inducing 3rd party titles on Wii.

[QUOTE="noi07"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

2- It is overpriced. Nintendo is making a killing off this system at 250 bucks. Atleast 150 a console I'm guessingStevo_the_gamer

In what way? Do you have information on what each component of the Wii costs to make such an assertion?

This article is from DECEMBER OF 2006, and it stated ...

Imagine how low they are now. :o

We all know that it is MUCH lower now, but what I don't get is DIDN'T that SHEEP fan know that? Why would he argue this AFTER playing the Wii? my lord.

The Wii is an amazing machine, in it's own right, but it hasn't demonstrated any graphical prowess over last gen, imo.

Luckily, the Wii is more than about Graphics...

I'm not just talking about new IPs, although I could see how I led you to believe that.

It's just that a lot of these "new IPs" don't offer fresh, original experiences like the Wii does, aside from a few. Heavenly Sword is just another hack 'n' slash that's inferior to God of War. Uncharted is Tomb Raider with a few different things to it. Lair is Rogue Squadron with dragons to it. I could go on, but you get the picture.

Really, Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes, Blast Works, Wii Sports, and a few other Wii games are in a class of its own. I haven't played any other games quite like them before.

Also, you don't need just a neat controller to innovative... There are other ways, too, as X game has shown us.

DeathScape666

If you scrutinize any game far enough it will share similarities to past games, especially if you take as large leaps as you have taken; lair a game were I can land on the ground eat people, jump from my dragon and fight other flying dragons to return to my dragon is the same experience as Rogue Squadron.

zack and wiki- pretty much like any point and click adventure game on the PC.

No more heroes-NG,DMC4 clone.

Wii sports- like any other sport title lacking anyform of depth

Blast works- plays like any other side scrolling shooter (shmup)

I hope you can see how ridiculous this is.

It's just that Nintendo took a different approach this gen in the hope that it would pay off, and it did. Some big third party games won't come to the Wii because of the weaker hardware. There's nothing Nintendo can do about that, but it gets some unique games like No More Heroes to make it worthwhile, along with their 1st party games.

I wouldn't say that the Wii is basically a Gamecube. It's a bit more powerful and gives a new experience through the control system. Whether it's worth the money or not is really subjective. To me it is.

I liked the GC a lot more than the Wii, it had many good games the Wii has 3 right now maybe 4 NMH, ZTP, MP3 and SSBB thats about it for me,the line up is disappointing Im not interested on a single upcoming wii game :/

At least the GC want based entirely on the controller, Many games are low quality and multiplayer based, I hate that.

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

I want them to stop making stupid mario remakes like soccer,racing, baskerball or whatever and focuz on dk, kirby, starfox, and the other nintendo characters... and they should really get some exclusive third party games... and just more 3rd party games..

the-very-best

Should EA stop making Madden games? Why should Nintendo stop developing a franchise if its making money? I think that if these Mario sports titles were labled something else that had no affiliation with Mario or his mushroom kingdombuddies that people would complain about it.

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

Haziqonfire

And yet the Gamecube has more titles on it that interest me... many more.foxhound_fox

Like ?Gh0st_Of_0nyx

• Animal Crossing
• Baten Kaitos Origins
• Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean
• Beyond Good & Evil
• F-Zero GX
• Killer7
• The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
• Luigi's Mansion
• Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
• Metroid Prime (own)
• Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (own)
• P.N.03
• Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
• Pikmin
• Pikmin 2
• Resident Evil REmake
• Resident Evil 0
• Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
• Super Mario Sunshine
• Tales of Symphonia
• Viewtiful Joe
• Viewtiful Joe 2

• Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (own)
• Excite Truck
• No More Heroes
• Mega Man 9
• Fatal Frame 4

[QUOTE="SER69"]

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SolidTy

Sorry to burst your bubble, but those are Xbox/GC/PS2 graphics. Not really proving any point from the TC with those...

It takes a fanboy and Nintendo-hater of the highest magnitude to dismiss these games like that. Most of them are exclusives with graphics that include the few mutli's that range from high end GC and Xbox to better then either console. Seriously Conduit, Fatal Frame 4, Tenchu 4, Castlevania: Judgement, Deadly Creatures ect, have better graphics the previous gen console games. While no one is saying PS360 graphics only a troll would not give credit to the fact that the Wii can do better graphically then a PS2, GC and even an Xbox.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="noi07"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

2- It is overpriced. Nintendo is making a killing off this system at 250 bucks. Atleast 150 a console I'm guessingSolidTy

In what way? Do you have information on what each component of the Wii costs to make such an assertion?

This article is from DECEMBER OF 2006, and it stated ...

Imagine how low they are now. :o

We all know that it is MUCH lower now, but what I don't get is DIDN'T that SHEEP fan know that? Why would he argue this AFTER playing the Wii? my lord.

The Wii is an amazing machine, in it's own right, but it hasn't demonstrated any graphical prowess over last gen, imo.

Luckily, the Wii is more than about Graphics...

Like Galaxy, SSBB, MP:3, Dewey's Adventure and Sonic:SotR could have been done on the GC :roll:. It may have not been a big jump from the GC graphically but it still an improvement over its previous gen.

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

Haziqonfire

You must mean this Xbox CPU 733Mhz> Wii CPU 729Mhz and assume its only almost as powerful.

Yet the Wii's GPU is 243Mhz> to the Xbox's 233Mhz, and more importantly there is the difference in RAM.

Xbox uses 64Megs total of unified SDRAM, the Wii uses 64Megs of GDDR3 SDRAM (similar to the 360's RAM), and it also uses in the graphics pakage 24Megs of speedy 1T-SRAM plus another 3Megs of embedded texture RAM in the GPU itself.

That's a total for the Wii of 88Megs RAM along with 3Megs embbeded in the GPU vs the Xbox's single 64Megs of RAM.

While only a little more, in overall terms the Wii is more powerful then an Xbox. So yeah little more power then an Xbox in a small pakage does make the Wii cost more to make then what people give it credit for.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox, and if you want to make a Wii vs GC comparison here are the GC info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube. Ports often of PS2 games, mini-games and rushed shovel-ware are not true benchmarks on the systems power.

Let's face it: the Wii is nothing more than a untensil for the Wii Remote. Nintendo could've just released the Wii Remote on the GameCube were it not for the abysmal sales of that sinking ship. Instead they released the Wii, sparking interest in oblivious consumers aka casualsblinded by the glow of the hot new toy, too busy playing Wii Sports to notice the thunderous roars that is the laughter of the Nintendo bigwigs on the way to the bank.

Granted, Super Mario Galxy kicks ass.

bearbones

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Like ?foxhound_fox

• Animal Crossing
• Baten Kaitos Origins
• Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean
• Beyond Good & Evil
• F-Zero GX
• Killer7
• The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
• Luigi's Mansion
• Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
• Metroid Prime (own)
• Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (own)
• P.N.03
• Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
• Pikmin
• Pikmin 2
• Resident Evil REmake
• Resident Evil 0
• Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
• Super Mario Sunshine
• Tales of Symphonia
• Viewtiful Joe
• Viewtiful Joe 2

• Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (own)
• Excite Truck
• No More Heroes
• Mega Man 9
• Fatal Frame 4

Like Galaxy, SSBB, MP:3, Dewey's Adventure and Sonic:SotR could have been done on the GC :roll:. It may have not been a big jump from the GC graphically but it still an improvement over its previous gen.

komdosina

The Gamecube was cool, so is the Wii.ONLYDOD

I was going to say the same thing.

[QUOTE="komdosina"]

Like Galaxy, SSBB, MP:3, Dewey's Adventure and Sonic:SotR could have been done on the GC :roll:. It may have not been a big jump from the GC graphically but it still an improvement over its previous gen.

Stevo_the_gamer

But they are not on the original Xbox. That's exactly what makes the Wii so good. Excelent (and exclusive) N-made games.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="komdosina"]

Like Galaxy, SSBB, MP:3, Dewey's Adventure and Sonic:SotR could have been done on the GC :roll:. It may have not been a big jump from the GC graphically but it still an improvement over its previous gen.

IronBass

But they are not on the original Xbox. That's exactly what makes the Wii so good. Excelent (and exclusive) N-made games.

That's what makes the Wii so good for you. for people who don't like nintendo games, the Wii is simply not worth it over 360/PS3.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="komdosina"]

Like Galaxy, SSBB, MP:3, Dewey's Adventure and Sonic:SotR could have been done on the GC :roll:. It may have not been a big jump from the GC graphically but it still an improvement over its previous gen.

qewrewq

But they are not on the original Xbox. That's exactly what makes the Wii so good. Excelent (and exclusive) N-made games.

That's what makes the Wii so good for you. for people who don't like nintendo games, the Wii is simply not worth it over 360/PS3.

That's very obvious. That's why people who don't like nintendo games buy either a 360 or a Ps3 (or both).

has far better Third Party Support.blitzkid1

I wouldnt say this just yet.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="komdosina"]

Like Galaxy, SSBB, MP:3, Dewey's Adventure and Sonic:SotR could have been done on the GC :roll:. It may have not been a big jump from the GC graphically but it still an improvement over its previous gen.

IronBass

But they are not on the original Xbox. That's exactly what makes the Wii so good. Excelent (and exclusive) N-made games.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="komdosina"]

Like Galaxy, SSBB, MP:3, Dewey's Adventure and Sonic:SotR could have been done on the GC :roll:. It may have not been a big jump from the GC graphically but it still an improvement over its previous gen.

Stevo_the_gamer

But they are not on the original Xbox. That's exactly what makes the Wii so good. Excelent (and exclusive) N-made games.

That's argueable, some guy above showed that the Wii is alittle more powerful than the Xbox. But no one can deny that there's no big difference.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

komdosina

You must mean this Xbox CPU 733Mhz> Wii CPU 729Mhz and assume its only almost as powerful.

Yet the Wii's GPU is 243Mhz> to the Xbox's 233Mhz, and more importantly there is the difference in RAM.

Xbox uses 64Megs total of unified SDRAM, the Wii uses 64Megs of GDDR3 SDRAM (similar to the 360's RAM), and it also uses in the graphics pakage 24Megs of speedy 1T-SRAM plus another 3Megs of embedded texture RAM in the GPU itself.

That's a total for the Wii of 88Megs RAM along with 3Megs embbeded in the GPU vs the Xbox's single 64Megs of RAM.

While only a little more, in overall terms the Wii is more powerful then an Xbox. So yeah little more power then an Xbox in a small pakage does make the Wii cost more to make then what people give it credit for.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox, and if you want to make a Wii vs GC comparison here are the GC info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube. Ports often of PS2 games, mini-games and rushed shovel-ware are not true benchmarks on the systems power.

Show me one Wii game that looks better than Halo 2 or ninja gaiden black...

Show me one Wii game that looks better than Halo 2 or ninja gaiden black...

5iveJungle

[QUOTE="komdosina"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

5iveJungle

You must mean this Xbox CPU 733Mhz> Wii CPU 729Mhz and assume its only almost as powerful.

Yet the Wii's GPU is 243Mhz> to the Xbox's 233Mhz, and more importantly there is the difference in RAM.

Xbox uses 64Megs total of unified SDRAM, the Wii uses 64Megs of GDDR3 SDRAM (similar to the 360's RAM), and it also uses in the graphics pakage 24Megs of speedy 1T-SRAM plus another 3Megs of embedded texture RAM in the GPU itself.

That's a total for the Wii of 88Megs RAM along with 3Megs embbeded in the GPU vs the Xbox's single 64Megs of RAM.

While only a little more, in overall terms the Wii is more powerful then an Xbox. So yeah little more power then an Xbox in a small pakage does make the Wii cost more to make then what people give it credit for.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox, and if you want to make a Wii vs GC comparison here are the GC info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube. Ports often of PS2 games, mini-games and rushed shovel-ware are not true benchmarks on the systems power.

Show me one Wii game that looks better than Halo 2 or ninja gaiden black...

Metroid Prime 3 or Super Mario Galaxy.