The Wii is basically a Gamecube.

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#101 crunchUK
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oh there's more big guns :twisted: and they charge so much because the gamecube price was killing their bank? and they can charge that because it's successful? and yes the online is pathetic XD
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#102 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="komdosina"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

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You must mean this Xbox CPU 733Mhz> Wii CPU 729Mhz and assume its only almost as powerful.

Yet the Wii's GPU is 243Mhz> to the Xbox's 233Mhz, and more importantly there is the difference in RAM.

Xbox uses 64Megs total of unified SDRAM, the Wii uses 64Megs of GDDR3 SDRAM (similar to the 360's RAM), and it also uses in the graphics pakage 24Megs of speedy 1T-SRAM plus another 3Megs of embedded texture RAM in the GPU itself.

That's a total for the Wii of 88Megs RAM along with 3Megs embbeded in the GPU vs the Xbox's single 64Megs of RAM.

While only a little more, in overall terms the Wii is more powerful then an Xbox. So yeah little more power then an Xbox in a small pakage does make the Wii cost more to make then what people give it credit for.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox, and if you want to make a Wii vs GC comparison here are the GC info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube. Ports often of PS2 games, mini-games and rushed shovel-ware are not true benchmarks on the systems power.

Show me one Wii game that looks better than Halo 2 or ninja gaiden black...

Rouge squadron 2 a GAMECUBE launch game looks miles better than halo 2.

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#103 Shadow_of_Kirby
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What's this? An intelligent debate?

Heaven FORBID an intelligent debate!

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#104 osan0
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on the wii being a gamecube...theres a bit more in there that just GC hardware in fairness. the design is the same as a GCs but it has had extra ram and faster parts added accross the board. to call it just a GC is uderselling it. also factor in the added stuff the GC never had..like built in wireless (a 90 euro addon for the 360), built in flash memory, the SD card reader, a far more sophisticated OS and all that other little stuff and it mounts up. then theres the controllers themselves. the wii also comes with a game (quite a good one too). neither the PS3 or the 360 do that as standard. i not saying that nintendo are struggeling to make a profit from each unit sold or anything..they certainly are making a profit and a tidy one at that.but i dont think there completly taking the piss with the price...i think its fair for what ure getting.

i do wish they added a bit more umph to it in the CPU department....and a bit more ram....it would have really hit the sweet spot then imho. but anyway.

on online....there slowly getting better. mario kart has a great online system. the only thing it really lacks (and it is a big issue) is coms..if it had that then we would be sorted. thankfully coms is a very easy fix for the wii. its just a case of nintendo getting the foot out.

on 3rd parties. they will never ever out bid sony or MS on big titles...ever. despite all the money there making...ninty are still a relatively small company. if sony want to deny ninty the next metal gear or the enxt big FF title then it will be denied. theres no point in nintendo even trying to go after those titles..they dont have the clout.

what we are beginning to see on wii though is some great stuff or potentially great stuff from smaller devs or lesser known teams in big companies...new guys trying to make a name for themselves. titles like losts winds on wiiware, deadly creatures, mad world, no more heros, boom blox and so on. titles that just arent feasible on a PS3 or 360 due to cost. ninty have also been working alot better with 3rd parties compared to the N64 days.

on the first party front...i think ninty have done all they could so far. they have released alot of the big guns already (a metroid, mario and zelda in the space of 1 year is unheard of). 3rd parties need to do better though. were starting to see some interesting stuff pop up and hopefully we hear more at e3 and other conventions throughout the year. on the 3rd party side, i think we can forget about getting the established big games on wii though (which is why its great to have more than 1 platform :D). the wii disgusts epic...they wont touch it. crytek are playign around with it but i dont expect it will turn into a product, square are set on the next big FF being on the PS3 and R* dont seem to be remotely interested in a GTA for wii...just PS2 ports. i think we will see alot more "out there" games on wii from 3rd parties in the future though. games that just wouldnt work on a PS3 or 360.

i think ure being a bit too harsh TC. yes things need to improve on the 3rd party and online front..absolutely and i do hope that they will show some more stuff for all markets at E3...not just focus on a new wii___ title. but so far i think nintendo have done a very comendable job with the wii so far. their own titles are mostly of a very high quality (even wii fit is good for what it is) and their relatiosn with 3rd party devs are much much better than during the N64 and early GC days.

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#105 Riverwolf007
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So the other day I saw you lump all XBL users into the "10 year old foulmouthed racist" group and now a Wii hate thread?

What's happened here, did you get tired of your status as last credible cow?

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#106 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Like ?foxhound_fox


Gamecube:
  • Animal Crossing
  • Baten Kaitos Origins
  • Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean
  • Beyond Good & Evil
  • F-Zero GX
  • Killer7
  • The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
  • Luigi's Mansion
  • Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
  • Metroid Prime (own)
  • Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (own)
  • P.N.03
  • Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
  • Pikmin
  • Pikmin 2
  • Resident Evil REmake
  • Resident Evil 0
  • Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
  • Super Mario Sunshine
  • Tales of Symphonia
  • Viewtiful Joe
  • Viewtiful Joe 2

Wii:
  • Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (own)
  • Excite Truck
  • No More Heroes
  • Mega Man 9
  • Fatal Frame 4

you're comparing a console that has already had a full gen to gather a good library of exclusives to a console that has only been out for 2 years.
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#107 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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I just expect more from the top selling console of the generation.

the-very-best
that's how i felt about the ps2.
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#108 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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[QUOTE="5iveJungle"][QUOTE="komdosina"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

Marth6781

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You must mean this Xbox CPU 733Mhz> Wii CPU 729Mhz and assume its only almost as powerful.

Yet the Wii's GPU is 243Mhz> to the Xbox's 233Mhz, and more importantly there is the difference in RAM.

Xbox uses 64Megs total of unified SDRAM, the Wii uses 64Megs of GDDR3 SDRAM (similar to the 360's RAM), and it also uses in the graphics pakage 24Megs of speedy 1T-SRAM plus another 3Megs of embedded texture RAM in the GPU itself.

That's a total for the Wii of 88Megs RAM along with 3Megs embbeded in the GPU vs the Xbox's single 64Megs of RAM.

While only a little more, in overall terms the Wii is more powerful then an Xbox. So yeah little more power then an Xbox in a small pakage does make the Wii cost more to make then what people give it credit for.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox, and if you want to make a Wii vs GC comparison here are the GC info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube. Ports often of PS2 games, mini-games and rushed shovel-ware are not true benchmarks on the systems power.

Show me one Wii game that looks better than Halo 2 or ninja gaiden black...

Rouge squadron 2 a GAMECUBE launch game looks miles better than halo 2.

he said a wii game. unless you can answer, gamecube > wii
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#109 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="5iveJungle"][QUOTE="komdosina"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

The price come's from three things:
1. The Wii is damn small. It's almost as powerful as the original xbox but its tiny -- costs money
2. Wiimote and Nunchuck Technology
3. Nintendo want's Profit

All three of these thing's contribute to why the Wii cost's as much as it does.

paullywog

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You must mean this Xbox CPU 733Mhz> Wii CPU 729Mhz and assume its only almost as powerful.

Yet the Wii's GPU is 243Mhz> to the Xbox's 233Mhz, and more importantly there is the difference in RAM.

Xbox uses 64Megs total of unified SDRAM, the Wii uses 64Megs of GDDR3 SDRAM (similar to the 360's RAM), and it also uses in the graphics pakage 24Megs of speedy 1T-SRAM plus another 3Megs of embedded texture RAM in the GPU itself.

That's a total for the Wii of 88Megs RAM along with 3Megs embbeded in the GPU vs the Xbox's single 64Megs of RAM.

While only a little more, in overall terms the Wii is more powerful then an Xbox. So yeah little more power then an Xbox in a small pakage does make the Wii cost more to make then what people give it credit for.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox, and if you want to make a Wii vs GC comparison here are the GC info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube. Ports often of PS2 games, mini-games and rushed shovel-ware are not true benchmarks on the systems power.

Show me one Wii game that looks better than Halo 2 or ninja gaiden black...

Rouge squadron 2 a GAMECUBE launch game looks miles better than halo 2.

he said a wii game. unless you can answer, gamecube > wii

those aren't even the 2 best looking xbox games.

Just right off the bat SMG > NG and MP3> halo 2

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#110 foxhound_fox
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Dude you would rather play Super Mario SUnshine instead of SUper Mario Galaxy?jg4xchamp

I would definitely like to see the middle point between Super Mario 64 and Mario Galaxy before I even think of trying Mario Galaxy.

you're comparing a console that has already had a full gen to gather a good library of exclusives to a console that has only been out for 2 years.Shinobishyguy

Did you notice how these were the games that I am personally interested in and not all "the best" ones?
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#111 crszn962015
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The Wii has a gamecube-looking thing inside of it.

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#112 Dreams-Visions
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The Wii is basically a Gamecube... with the only major differences being that the Wii is actually selling really well, and it has a new, unique controller.

The hardware is pretty much the same, even Miyamoto said that. That's fine, but then why is the Wii so expensive? I like the idea of not focusing on graphics (as it can lead to disasters like Lair, and most other big games this gen are just short lived experiences that fade into obscurity quickly, Ubisoft being the biggest culprit I think) but how about giving consumers good value for their money, Nintendo?

Then we've got the online, which isn't worth mentioning so I won't bother discussing it. The most important thing here is games and once again, Nintendo aren't working to get big 3rd party games on their system. Where is all that money going? To more marketing? Why not get KH3 exclusive? I think that's a game that could work better on Wii than other systems.

Believe it or not, I don't intend to bash the Wii. I just expect more from the top selling console of the generation. It's not good value for money and it doesn't have enough great titles from both 1st/3rd party developers to be the #1 console on the market. Game-wise, it's not doing better than the PS3 and 360 (or PC) and it should be, right?

I think Nintendo have done heapsof things better than Sony and MS this gen, but they're still the same old Nintendo when it comes to 3rd parties. I really think Nintendo needs to send out a message at E3 that they are actively pursuing 3rd parties for big games. What I don't want to see is an E3 centered around another Wiifit. The big guns for the Wii have already been released (SMG, Zelda, MP, SSBB) and Nintendo need to show us that they've still got plenty of fuel.

What do you guys think? Am I being too harsh, or do you also expect a bit more from Nintendo this gen?

the-very-best
you're not being harsh. It's basically a gamecube.
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#113 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"] has far better Third Party Support.Haee

I wouldnt say this just yet.

Agreed. It has MORE 3rd party support...but "better"? I haven't seen that.
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#114 glitchgeeman
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I'm sort of half and half on this. I agree that Nintendo needs to push harder for 3rd party games. That's always been a problem with Nintendo which I don't understand why they can't overcome it. Nintendo has a lot of money, they should use it. But, I think Nintendo has done many things better than MS and Sony as well. I still can't think of any 1st party company in history that has given us a better gaming experience, and while Nintendo does need to reach out, in the very least, they're still doing exceptionally with what they're familiar with.
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#115 Heydanbud92
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

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The hardware is pretty much the same, even Miyamoto said that. That's fine, but then why is the Wii so expensive? I like the idea of not focusing on graphics (as it can lead to disasters like Lair

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Thats kind of Ironic seeing on how Lair's biggest problem wasnt its graphics but the focus of motion controls.

no, it was just a bad game. they came out with a patch to play it with regular controls and it still sucks.

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#116 Swift_Boss_A
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Wii is what the Gamecube should have been me thinks
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#117 naruto7777
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yeah i hate the wii it the worst idea in gaming

all it does is used milked out franchises from years ago