The wii is going to kill of high-end console gaming in a few years....

It is quite unlikely that MS and sony would launch a high-end for it's time console again.The wii is utterly destroying everything despite being the worst system by a country mile for a traditional gamer.And unfortunately even software is selling on the wii.MS and sony are left crying and they probably know now that targeting the high-end side is just not worth it.

Huge development costs,more prone to hardware failure due to complicated hardware whereas nintendo sells a repakaged gamecube with an astronomical price tag.Despite being 10 times more powerful,the xbox 360 goes for the same price,has beter games but still get's it's ass handed big time in sales.

Once sony and MS come out with their gimmicky console the PC will also find itself in a stange position.

Go nintendo yay!:roll:

Good, hopefully we wont have to put up with overrated games with gameplay we played a decade ago as well as having multiplats dumb down our pc games.

Go wii!

Good, hopefully we wont have to put up with overrated games with gameplay we played a decade ago as well as having multiplats dumb down our pc games.

Go wii!

Kez1984

*cough* you mean like Blizzard?

They never make the same old loot&wank from a decade ago:roll:

Good, hopefully we wont have to put up with overrated games with gameplay we played a decade ago as well as having multiplats dumb down our pc games.

Go wii!

Kez1984

Making a high-budget PC exclusive then would be more risky as well.I mean if crysis had flopped horribly in sales for some reason,they could still port the engine on the console and have a chance of recovering the cost.

So the Wii is going to kill the 360,ps3 and PC:|xgraderx

It is quite unlikely that MS and sony would launch a high-end for it's time console again.The wii is utterly destroying everything despite being the worst system by a country mile for a traditional gamer.And unfortunately even software is selling on the wii.MS and sony are left crying and they probably know now that targeting the high-end side is just not worth it.

Huge development costs,more prone to hardware failure due to complicated hardware whereas nintendo sells a repakaged gamecube with an astronomical price tag.Despite being 10 times more powerful,the xbox 360 goes for the same price,has beter games but still get's it's ass handed big time in sales.

Once sony and MS come out with their gimmicky console the PC will also find itself in a stange position.

Go nintendo yay!:roll:

Spybot_9

I don't think so, people need consoles to go to once they get away from the casual/kiddy stuff.

[QUOTE="Kez1984"]

Good, hopefully we wont have to put up with overrated games with gameplay we played a decade ago as well as having multiplats dumb down our pc games.

Go wii!

Spybot_9

Making a high-budget PC exclusive then would be more risky as well.I mean if crysis had flopped horribly in sales for some reason,they could still port the engine on the console and have a chance of recovering the cost.

Kez is not even worth responding to. That comment was either born of ignorance or the desire to flamebait. A little of both probably.

Hey, the TC used the repackaged gamecube point. I wonder if I got a bingo on my Wii hater card. Brb while I check.Zhengi

Havent used mine in a while, maybe i could win here!

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Kez1984"]

Good, hopefully we wont have to put up with overrated games with gameplay we played a decade ago as well as having multiplats dumb down our pc games.

Go wii!

Coyo7e

Making a high-budget PC exclusive then would be more risky as well.I mean if crysis had flopped horribly in sales for some reason,they could still port the engine on the console and have a chance of recovering the cost.

Kez is not even worth responding to. That comment was either born of ignorance or the desire to flamebait. A little of both probably.

Yea!!!!!

Thanks for the reply btw.

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]So the Wii is going to kill the 360,ps3 and PC:|Spybot_9

bla bla bla.

How many 30+ people will buy the next wii type system unless it's somehow 10x better and different for what they need? I don't think much. They have their wiis and aren't into gaming enough to get the next one unless it is different enough and that much better than the wii that they have.

I'd say you concentrate on a different consumer next gen than the ones nintendo did this gen unless you can make a good enough claim over the wii. The reason the wii was so successful this gen was b/c they tapped into an untapped market. That same market isn't into gaming enough to spend the money on numerous games let alone system upgrades. So next gen they will no longer be untapped or looking to buy a system.

This generation is more of an experiment for Nintendo than anything.
Saturos3091

I was thinking the same thing.

Besides, Sony didnt even have to think in a new console, they said that PS3 is gonna last 10 years in the market, something very hard, but there you have the PS2 to prove that they can do it.

Here the reason why..In my opinion and something I have been thinking about for a long time.

People want VR gaming, they have been wanting it for 20-30 years from the first time it first came out in Sci-Fi books "Ender's game was amazing".

Anyways what console on the market has made a move towards doing this only the Wii. Graphic be whatever people want to be a part of the game. What sounds better holding a fake gun and aiming in a FPS or doing it with a PS3 controller? I can't speak for others but when I was a kid I though that were the future of gaming was going. Not just better graphics with the same darn controller.

I may blog this later after work.

I'm willing to bet that Nintendo's next console will be less powerful than the X360. BladesOfAthena

the Wii has more power than the old xbox, so i think next nintendo console will have more power than 360

Good, hopefully we wont have to put up with overrated games with gameplay we played a decade ago as well as having multiplats dumb down our pc games.

Go wii!

Kez1984

*cough* you mean like Blizzard?

They never make the same old loot&wank from a decade ago:roll:

Coyo7e

At least they have the decency to release a couple of games per franchise every decade, instead of flooding the market with rehashes every year.

How many 30+ people will buy the next wii type system unless it's somehow 10x better and different for what they need?

scottie300z

How many people bought the iPod Nano, the iPod Classic, the iPod whatever, even though they already had an iPod? Companies, especially those that make technological gadgets, don't satisfy consumer's demands, they create it.

Wow im convinced the more time you spend on here the more stupid you get. Ok for starters saying 360 has better games that wii is an opinion not fact. 360 sales are fine and its software sales are great. So I really cant see why Microsoft would change its tatics and stop doing high end machines when its getting great 3rd party support and 3rd party games are selling great.Mitazaki

The 360 having better games is pretty much fact.

It's easy to just dismiss this guys opinion as paranoia (or wii hate or whatever)but tbo I think he has at least some kind of point here.

These guys are in it for the money and if you can get huge sales on hardware and software with a cheap system what's the point of pushing the bleeding edge of tech.

Do you really think Sony and MS are not jealous that they did not release hardware that made money on day one and got a crazy installed base in this short amount of time?

I hope in the future they decide to make systems that make the PS3 and 360 look primative in comparason but I have to ask SW what's in it for them when the Wii is low tech cheap and crushing them in sales?

Anyway if something like this does happen I will just go to PC for my high tech fix.

Maybe we will luck out and Nintendo will want to counter this gen by making some crazy high tech system with all those piles of cash they have laying around, you never know.

[QUOTE="scottie300z"]

How many 30+ people will buy the next wii type system unless it's somehow 10x better and different for what they need?

LordQuorthon

How many people bought the ipod Nano, the ipod classic, the ipod whatever, even though they already had an ipod? Companie, especially those that make technological gadgets, don't satisfy consumer's demands, they create it.

No, those people always will demand smaller, sleeker, and better technology (especially w/ portable systems) and so when it's offered they get it. That demand was never created, technology has always gone that ways.

Even still, I'd ask you why more Wii's are selling so great yet games for the Wii aren't in comparison? It's b/c those people have satisfied their desire to have that gameplay and don't care to search new versions of it out through new games. Despite new games being offered and companies trying to create it.

If you think companies can truly create desire instead of learning what works, what people desire and doing those things than you should rethink the world. If desire could be created so easily companies would have a much easier time. Why have nintendo had ups and downs? Why have Sony? They've been up the past two gens yet now their down in comparison. Why don't they just go out there and create some of that good ol' desire like you think they do? It's b/c they can't.

No, those people always will demand smaller, sleeker, and better technology (especially w/ portable systems) and so when it's offered they get it.scottie300z

The iPods nano have really small disk space compared to the other iPods, but they still sell. And now that you mention sleekness... Isn't the Wii really, REALLY sleek compared to Sony's and Microsoft's mammoths? ;)

Even still, I'd ask you why more Wii's are selling so great yet games for the Wii aren't in comparison?scottie300z

Wii's attach rate is right now as high as the Xbox 360's. Do some research on the subject.

If desire could be created so easily companies would have a much easier time.scottie300z

I never said it was easy. I said that's what they do, or at least Apple and Nintendo. Look at Pepsi; they were getting their asses kicked by Coca Cola, until they decided not to fight with Coca Cola on their ground and started selling bottled water. Was bottled water really something consumers wanted? No. They created their own demand and MADE it necessary. Again, I never said it was easy, but some companies have managed to do it. And when they do it right, there's no way to stop them. No matter how many "Drink tube water. It's just as good, really" adds the government pays for, no matter how many Grand Theft Autos are released for the PS3/Xbox 360, and no matter if some company that is not Apple manages to release an mp3 player with 1000 Terabytes of drive space, things are not going to change for at least more than a decade.

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]Wow im convinced the more time you spend on here the more stupid you get. Ok for starters saying 360 has better games that wii is an opinion not fact. 360 sales are fine and its software sales are great. So I really cant see why Microsoft would change its tatics and stop doing high end machines when its getting great 3rd party support and 3rd party games are selling great.lolkie_81

These guys are in it for the money and if you can get huge sales on hardware and software with a cheap system what's the point of pushing the bleeding edge of tech.

Riverwolf007

Then again, is that really a bad thing? Bomberman: Act Zero's budget was probably 20 times bigger than No More Heroes'. I think we all know which one is the better game. It's time for technology to stop being the one and only force pushing video games. Small developers with great ideas need a chance to show what they can do.

I bet all the Hermits would love for your silly dream to come true. If Wii took out the rest of Console gaming then the PC wouldn't have the PS3/360 holding it down.

Bottom line is this. You couldn't even form a list of genres, franchies, games, or series that the Wii has haed a negitive affect on. Could you make a list that the 360/PS3 has had a negitive affect on? Um hell yes.

And I suppose the DS will be doing the same thing to the handheld market. :roll:

And I suppose the DS will be doing the same thing to the handheld market. :roll:

magiciandude

No that would have been the Gameboy

Once sony and MS come out with their gimmicky console the PC will also find itself in a stange position.

Spybot_9

What the hell? How can the PC be affected by the Wii sales, when PC is cleary outselling all consoles? Seriously, wtf? Are you suggesting that Operating Systems will be downgraded, such as XP to ME? Don't forget that PC's aren't just used for gaming.

Wii affecting PC gaming

Now that's a laugh.

:lol:

The iPod nano have really small disk space compared to the other iPods, but they still sell. And now that you mention sleekness... Isn't the Wii really, REALLY sleek compared to Sony's and Microsoft's mammoths? ;)

LordQuorthon

Yes, but what does that have to do w/ nintendo creating desire? It would be just as easy to say they recognized that people already desired sleeker products (since that has been the trend in tech for so long) and offered it. So you can take your ;) back.

Wii's attach rate is right now as high as the Xbox 360's. Do some research on the subject.

LordQuorthon

• Xbox 360: hardware to software ratio: 6.59 (hardware total sold = 6.8 million; software total sold = 44.8 million)
• PlayStation 3: hardware to software ratio: 3.58 (hardware total sold = 1.9 million; software total sold = 6.8 million)
• Wii: hardware to software ratio: 3.44 (hardware total sold = 4.5 million; software total sold = 15.5 million)

If you do the math you'll find that if the wii has the same # of hardware sold it would have half the amount of software. That's pretty telling. Don't assume someone hasn't done research. This is from Oct 07 by the way.

I never said it was easy. I said that's what they do, or at least Apple and Nintendo. Look at Pepsi; they were getting their asses kicked by Coca Cola, until they decided not to fight with Coca Cola on their ground and started selling bottled water. Was bottled water really something consumers wanted? No. They created their own demand and MADE it necessary. Again, I never said it was easy, but some companies have managed to do it. And when they do it right, there's no way to stop them. No matter how many "Drink tube water. It's just as good, really" adds the government pays for, no matter how many Grand Theft Autos are released for the PS3/Xbox 360, and no matter if some company that is not Apple manages to release an mp3 player with 1000 Terabytes of drive space, things are not going to change for at least more than a decade.

LordQuorthon

First of all, they weren't getting beat down by Coke. They have been causing Coke headaches for a long time. Why else did Coke release new Coke? And how did that work out? Oh yeah, people knew what they desired and it couldn't be changed. The soft drink market has been relatively close for some time. Maybe you should do your own research.

And those companies you listed didn't create demand. Just because people aren't yelling for bottled water doesn't mean they wouldn't like it. You have to realise a possibility before you can want it, nobody had thought of it before. Pepsi didn't sa, "Hey, let's spend tons of money trying to invent desire for botteled water when supposedly we're getting our buts kicked in the creating desire for soda market." No. Soft drink co. are always trying to find new beverages to sell and so someone decided to try water. They market tested it to see how it would be recieved. Why would they do that if they create desire? WHy would they test to see if there is any out there? You should do research, you should learn how companies work.

[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

And I suppose the DS will be doing the same thing to the handheld market. :roll:

HarlockJC

No that would have been the Gameboy

Yeah but...still....

[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]Wow im convinced the more time you spend on here the more stupid you get. Ok for starters saying 360 has better games that wii is an opinion not fact. 360 sales are fine and its software sales are great. So I really cant see why Microsoft would change its tatics and stop doing high end machines when its getting great 3rd party support and 3rd party games are selling great.Bigboi500

Whatever, you listed almost every good game on the wii and a few good 360 titles. There are lots more good games on the 360, the same cant be said for the wii. Normally I would argue with you, but after being on this forum awhile i have learned it is pointless. People are going to think what they want no matter what. I see now why people troll and just talk out there *ss, common sense does not apply here, so they just post to get under peoples skin.

Lolki just tell him that 360 on paper has better games then Wii. He cannot dispute that as it would be a fact. When comparing game libraries I just use the "Paper" value so people don't go all going crazy with I like this, hate that, this overrated thats underrated.

But then again the game isn't played on Paper....

But like I said on Paper the 360 has the best library in consoles. So you know what that would mean about PC as well.

: hardware to software ratio: 3.44 (hardware total sold = 4.5 million; software total sold = 15.5 million)

scottie300z

You DO realize that those figures are horribly outdated, right?

It's cause the Wii is cheap and appeals to casual gamers for that reason and the games as well appeal to kids

It's not because it's got crappy hardware
Toriko42

It also appeals to 18-34 market more than any other system