The wii is not an evolution!

Graphics,A.I and other processing aplications

the wii has not seen significant improvement in this regard. where as both PS3 and X360 have improved allowing developers the freedom to create more immersive worlds. and this is a key factor because gaming is all about immersion! it's about interacting in a world thats otherwise impossible. more processing power= more freedom and therefore more potential in improving this immersion. now I'm not saying the wii hasn't graphically managed this with some games. it has achieved this but the level of freedom is limited.

Gameplay and Controls!

is 1:1 mapping really an improvement?? is that method of control better than normal mapping? well I don't think it's an improvement but it's not a step back as well. it's simply a different method of interaction. for example playing snowboarding games on the wiifit, with 1:1 mapping would be dull once the novelty effect wears off. because for you to do tricks with 1:1 mapping, requires you to create that action in real life! same with a game like ninja gaiden. it may seem good to have 1:1 mapping on your sword, except you mite actually have to study ninjitsu to execute the move set.

my point is despite Nintendo claiming wiimote as a revolution, it fails to do some of the basic aspects of gaming. It cannot do those special moves/interations in 1:1 mapping.so even the wii uses normal mapping. except a special move normally requiring an efficient button combo will be replaced by an implementation to a rather odd preset swirl. for example waving the wiimote in circles will unleash the move gleaming dragon( Ryu spins his sword around him slashing enemies near by, actual move in NG)

so when you think about it, the wiimote is not much of an evolution, but an attempt to bring newcomers to experience gaming with false claims of 1:1 immersion!! the focus in gaming is not controls but what those controls do! even on the wii the novel sense of controls only lasted for a few hours for me. and afterwards you are simply entertained by your virtual interactions!! which the wiimote is inefficient at providing.

so what Nintendo should've done to really justify any sort of "evolution" is to have both options available. the wiimote, to people who have never played games and the standard controller for those who are already gamers. and it's nice to see this been done on games like SSBB.so all in all, concerning the aspects of what a console is meant to deliver, the wii is not an evolution. but more a translation of what is already considered as gaming. to be precise a translation of lastgen potential. so in summary The wii isn't an evolution console.

HOWEVER the other two consoles aren't quite evolutionary either. The true nextgen platform is the PC. its a platform thats always changing and always improving. both in hardware and software!! Its a platform thats about choice!

*EDIT*

1)ok I know the "nextgen" term in some sense is over. but the point I'm addressing is the current status of gaming. has there been a revolution since the launch of this console? in my opinion no! read above for reasons!

2)the word revolution was edited to evolution, because the word revolution is misleading when it comes to the points raised.

*EDIT*

You're right! It's a current gen system :?Andrew_Xavier

You are so right. It a current gen console, just like the 360 and PS3.Wanderer5

You're right! It's a current gen system :?Andrew_Xavier

/thread

Maybe TC should think about what "next gen" even means. It means the next generation of consoles althought you cannot speak of next gen until you are speaking of ps4, xbox760 etc. Ps3, 360, Wii are current generation consoles. It says nothing about graphics or anything like that lol...

But yah its a crappy machine I'll give you that much.

Fanboy confirmed in last paragraph but I play for games, not if it qualifies as next gen or last genfenwickhotmail

how am I being a fanboy??? I'm simply stating the truth! my most anticipated game this year is NG2!! lol. seriously though this is not a bash topic. Its not about insulting someone who enjoys a console. this is just about putting things in perspective. to see what's the status of what we call gaming is.

[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"]Fanboy confirmed in last paragraph but I play for games, not if it qualifies as next gen or last genGreat_Ragnarok

how am I being a fanboy??? I'm simply stating the truth! my most anticipated game this year is NG2!! lol. seriously though this is not a bash topic. Its not about insulting someone who enjoys a console. this is just about putting things in perspective. to see what's the status of what we call gaming is.

Good job TC :wink:

Hopefully nobody is stupid enough to actually think the Wii is a next-gen system.

It's a current gen system, just like the Xbox 360 and PS3. :|

When will people know what Next-Gen really means.
And Wii is current-gen with ps3 and 360.

[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"]Fanboy confirmed in last paragraph but I play for games, not if it qualifies as next gen or last genGreat_Ragnarok

how am I being a fanboy??? I'm simply stating the truth! my most anticipated game this year is NG2!! lol. seriously though this is not a bash topic. Its not about insulting someone who enjoys a console. this is just about putting things in perspective. to see what's the status of what we call gaming is.

"Wii isn't next-gen thread" #3454

It's current gen. who cares about the hardware, Its competing against 360 and Ps3 so...give it up

"Wii isn't next-gen thread" #3454

It's current gen. who cares about the hardware, Its competing against 360 and Ps3 so...give it up

killerfist

give what up???? ok I understand some haven't even bother to read my comment. and I guess the title is misleading. so ill change it to bring focus in to my point.

I wonder if people would still be saying this if the Wii was last place in sales.Floppy_Jim

TC the fact that you edited your fanboy rant shows that you have know idea what your talking about

The topic titles is also further proff.

TC the fact that you edited your fanboy rant shows that you have know idea what your talking about

The topic titles is also further proff.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

maybe you should read the comment first??? I have some idea because I wrote a lot about my opinion. perhaps you disagree with me and thats perfectly fine. so please let me know what you think regarding my comment.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

TC the fact that you edited your fanboy rant shows that you have know idea what your talking about

The topic titles is also further proff.

Great_Ragnarok

maybe you should read the comment first??? I have some idea because I wrote a lot about my opinion. perhaps you disagree with me and thats perfectly fine. so please let me know what you think regarding my comment.

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

TC the fact that you edited your fanboy rant shows that you have know idea what your talking about

The topic titles is also further proff.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

maybe you should read the comment first??? I have some idea because I wrote a lot about my opinion. perhaps you disagree with me and thats perfectly fine. so please let me know what you think regarding my comment.

lol what does that have to do with the wii being a gimped system.

a great game that couldve been down on the n64

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

TC the fact that you edited your fanboy rant shows that you have know idea what your talking about

The topic titles is also further proff.

blackice1983

maybe you should read the comment first??? I have some idea because I wrote a lot about my opinion. perhaps you disagree with me and thats perfectly fine. so please let me know what you think regarding my comment.

lol what does that have to do with the wii being a gimped system.

a great game that couldve been down on the n64

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

TC the fact that you edited your fanboy rant shows that you have know idea what your talking about

The topic titles is also further proff.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

maybe you should read the comment first??? I have some idea because I wrote a lot about my opinion. perhaps you disagree with me and thats perfectly fine. so please let me know what you think regarding my comment.

how on earth is that a rant?? I thought I explained my point carefully. and infact my biggest point was about controls not graphics,A.I etc. also what does gamerankings have to with this?? I don't hide behind other peoples opinions. sorry but just saying some site gave good reviews isn't enough for me. I'd like exact reasons.

lol fanboy nonsense no it plays exactly like mario 64

no revolution their unless u really like to waggle the controller

I've come around to thinking the Wii has the potential to be revolutionary if a developer comes up with a way to use the Wii mote to make games feel radically different.

So far that hasn't happened in the slightest. With the exception of SMG and perhaps a few aspects of MP3, many Wii games feel decidedly Gamecubeish.

I've come around to thinking the Wii has the potential to be revolutionary if a developer comes up with a way to use the Wii mote to make games feel radically different.

So far that has happened in the slightest. With the exception of SMG and perhaps a few aspects of MP3, Wii games feel decidely Gamecubeish.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I've come around to thinking the Wii has the potential to be revolutionary if a developer comes up with a way to use the Wii mote to make games feel radically different.

So far that has happened in the slightest. With the exception of SMG and perhaps a few aspects of MP3, Wii games feel decidely Gamecubeish.

Tragic_Kingdom7

qft

until then it makes for a great secondary system to play with for a few hours

lol fanboy nonsense now it plays exactly like mario 64blackice1983

i guess you were reffering to Mario Galaxy and i laugh even more at your statement

AI is up to the mind of the programmer, not the system. The only difference is graphics. And games last gen were longer than games this gen, so your argument of Wii games not being expansive fails too. Stop bringing the Wii into the PS3/360/PC graphics war.-Wheels-

I didn't talk about developers. a console can't be responsible for what developers do. it's job is to provide a good foundation for developers right? and games been longer or shorter has no direct connection to a system's power. look at oblivion it has supposedly 300+ hours of gameplay!!

and my main point was about the wii's claimed strong point, the controls! and how 1:1 mapping is flawed.

Basically agree with the topic starter a 100%. But did you ever wonder the real reason Nintendo changed the name from Revolution to Wii? It's because they couldn't believe their own lie. They know the Wii isn't really revolutionary, but look at the sales figures for their last two consoles. Did they make a profit? Yes. Were they on top in terms of quantity sold? No. So to maximize profits, they hit where it really hurts, and built a console that parents will be satisfied buying for their children. Sure, the Wii has a number of hardcore fans who are older than twelve, and who can buy the console on their own; however, most of their sales are coming from parents buying something they can afford for their kids.

It's not revolutionary, it's just a different direction to go in, and it's payed off at the bank.

Basically agree with the topic starter a 100%. But did you ever wonder the real reason Nintendo changed the name from Revolution to Wii? It's because they couldn't believe their own lie. They know the Wii isn't really revolutionary, but look at the sales figures for their last two consoles. Did they make a profit? Yes. Were they on top in terms of quantity sold? No. So to maximize profits, they hit where it really hurts, and built a console that parents will be satisfied buying for their children. Sure, the Wii has a number of hardcore fans who are older than twelve, and who can buy the console on their own; however, most of their sales are coming from parents buying something they can afford for their kids.

It's not revolutionary, it's just a different direction to go in, and it's payed off at the bank.

chimpiki

Thanks man, I'm glad to see someone else come to a similar conclusion :)

What was the original name to this thread?Blackbond

the wii isn't a next gen console was the original title! but people got caught in the "nextgen" bit and didn't comment refering to the commet :(

Basically agree with the topic starter a 100%. But did you ever wonder the real reason Nintendo changed the name from Revolution to Wii? It's because they couldn't believe their own lie. They know the Wii isn't really revolutionary, but look at the sales figures for their last two consoles. Did they make a profit? Yes. Were they on top in terms of quantity sold? No. So to maximize profits, they hit where it really hurts, and built a console that parents will be satisfied buying for their children. Sure, the Wii has a number of hardcore fans who are older than twelve, and who can buy the console on their own; however, most of their sales are coming from parents buying something they can afford for their kids.

It's not revolutionary, it's just a different direction to go in, and it's payed off at the bank.

chimpiki

That last line is fallicious, because a different direction is basically the definition of revolution.

"Wii isnt next gen"

Real original right ? :lol:

[QUOTE="-Wheels-"]AI is up to the mind of the programmer, not the system. The only difference is graphics. And games last gen were longer than games this gen, so your argument of Wii games not being expansive fails too. Stop bringing the Wii into the PS3/360/PC graphics war.Great_Ragnarok

I didn't talk about developers. a console can't be responsible for what developers do. it's job is to provide a good foundation for developers right? and games been longer or shorter has no direct connection to a system's power. look at oblivion it has supposedly 300+ hours of gameplay!!

and my main point was about the wii's claimed strong point, the controls! and how 1:1 mapping is flawed.

Well, 1:1 mapping is not going to be used in the best games. The best games will have a bunch of preset animations, and using a recording technology for the Wii for certain actions, the closest animation to that movement will play. 1:1 mapping is just rediculous and jerky, it's not going to be the future of the Wii that's for sure. The fact is, the Wii has already started a revolution wether you like it or not. Just look at the players the Wii has attracted, it has finally pushed games over into the mainstream. Sure it could be better, and a lot of companies are jumping on the casual bandwagon, but these are just the growing pains we have to go through before a balance comes. I just look back and think it's cool how I used to play games before they were considered cool. Things change, and I bet you next gen Microsoft and Sony will copy Wii while Nintendo has moved onto something new.

Basically agree with the topic starter a 100%. But did you ever wonder the real reason Nintendo changed the name from Revolution to Wii? It's because they couldn't believe their own lie.

chimpiki

Educate yourself on teh name change.

" Introducing ... Wii.

As in "we."

While the code-name Revolution expressed our direction, Wii represents the answer.

Wii will break down that wall that separates video game players from everybody else.

Wii will put people more in touch with their games ... and each other. But you re probably asking: What does the name mean?

Wii sounds like "we," which emphasizes this console is for everyone. Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii.

Wii has a distinctive "ii" spelling that symbolizes both the unique controllers and the image of people gathering to play.

And Wii, as a name and a console, brings something revolutionary to the world of video games that sets it apart from the crowd.

So that's Wii. But now Nintendo needs you.

Because, it s really not about you or me.

It's about Wii.

And together, Wii will change everything."

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]What was the original name to this thread?Great_Ragnarok

the wii isn't a next gen console was the original title! but people got caught in the "nextgen" bit and didn't comment refering to the commet :(

How ironic :roll:

That last line is fallicious, because a different direction is basically the definition of revolution.

Tragic_Kingdom7

not necessarily. walking back the way you came isn't revolutionary is it? but yeah I think the wii is more a translation than a revolution. a translation of our gaming experiences to a new audience. but in that case they should have both options available.

"Wii isnt next gen"

Real original right ? :lol:

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

huh? :(

Well, 1:1 mapping is not going to be used in the best games. The best games will have a bunch of preset animations, and using a recording technology for the Wii for certain actions, the closest animation to that movement will play. 1:1 mapping is just rediculous and jerky, it's not going to be the future of the Wii that's for sure. The fact is, the Wii has already started a revolution wether you like it or not. Just look at the players the Wii has attracted, it has finally pushed games over into the mainstream. Sure it could be better, and a lot of companies are jumping on the casual bandwagon, but these are just the growing pains we have to go through before a balance comes. I just look back and think it's cool how I used to play games before they were considered cool. Things change, and I bet you next gen Microsoft and Sony will copy Wii while Nintendo has moved onto something new.

-Wheels-

buttons in controllers are like those preset animations, in fact it's even more efficient than that. they are just buttons. all the experience is about the game and the awesome ways you interact with it by the press of a button. also I don't understand what you mean by games not being mainstream??? games have been mainstream for many years now. I mean the most successful entertainment product is GTA4.am I right? well according to GS at least. and also why do you care whether someone thinks you are cool or not for playing games?? Its just entertainment.

[QUOTE="chimpiki"]

Basically agree with the topic starter a 100%. But did you ever wonder the real reason Nintendo changed the name from Revolution to Wii? It's because they couldn't believe their own lie.

Blackbond

Educate yourself on teh name change.

" Introducing ... Wii.

As in "we."

While the code-name Revolution expressed our direction, Wii represents the answer.

Wii will break down that wall that separates video game players from everybody else.

was I abducted by aliens when this happend??? :o I mean as far as I knew there existed no such barrier!

Wii will put people more in touch with their games ... and each other. But you re probably asking: What does the name mean?

No I'm more curious how you are going to put people more in touch with games?? I mean the PC already has a strong lan and online community. and xbox had a close sense of community even before xboxlive! I mean I remember all my friends bringing their xboxes and copies of halo for ultimate lan games!! ahhh good times! :)

Wii sounds like "we," which emphasizes this console is for everyone. Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii.

thats nice! very thoughtful of Nintendo for thinking on behalf of other nations. I mean a name like Xbox or Playstation would just make them run to the hills right! :roll:

Wii has a distinctive "ii" spelling that symbolizes both the unique controllers and the image of people gathering to play.

And Wii, as a name and a console, brings something revolutionary to the world of video games that sets it apart from the crowd.

So that's Wii. But now Nintendo needs you.

Because, it s really not about you or me.

It's about Wii.(i.e Nintendo)

And together, Wii will change everything."

mmmmmm communism mmmmmmm wait what??? and change what?? the problem they claimed didn't even exist to begin with!!

just because someone says so doesn't make it so!

from that quote it shows that nintendo has created a problem and given a solution! how convienient for a new product!!

not necessarily. walking back the way you came isn't revolutionary is it? but yeah I think the wii is more a translation than a revolution. a translation of our gaming experiences to a new audience. but in that case they should have both options available.Great_Ragnarok

Huh?

The controller could lead to gaming taking a different direction. How can you dispute that? The 360/PS3 is clearly the status quo.

Also, why does the Wii have to have both "options"?

If you want a certain kind of experience, find the product that will suit that.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="chimpiki"]

Basically agree with the topic starter a 100%. But did you ever wonder the real reason Nintendo changed the name from Revolution to Wii? It's because they couldn't believe their own lie.

Great_Ragnarok

Educate yourself on teh name change.

" Introducing ... Wii.

As in "we."

While the code-name Revolution expressed our direction, Wii represents the answer.

Wii will break down that wall that separates video game players from everybody else.

was I abducted by aliens when this happend??? :o I mean as far as I knew there existed no such barrier!

Wii will put people more in touch with their games ... and each other. But you re probably asking: What does the name mean?

No I'm more curious how you are going to put people more in touch with games?? I mean the PC already has a strong lan and online community. and xbox had a close sense of community even before xboxlive! I mean I remember all my friends bringing their xboxes and copies of halo for ultimate lan games!! ahhh good times! :)

Wii sounds like "we," which emphasizes this console is for everyone. Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii.

thats nice! very thoughtful of Nintendo for thinking on behalf of other nations. I mean a name like Xbox or Playstation would just make them run to the hills right! :roll:

Wii has a distinctive "ii" spelling that symbolizes both the unique controllers and the image of people gathering to play.

And Wii, as a name and a console, brings something revolutionary to the world of video games that sets it apart from the crowd.

So that's Wii. But now Nintendo needs you.

Because, it s really not about you or me.

It's about Wii.(i.e Nintendo)

And together, Wii will change everything."

mmmmmm communism mmmmmmm wait what??? and change what?? the problem they claimed didn't even exist to begin with!!

just because someone says so doesn't make it so!

from that quote it shows that nintendo has created a problem and given a solution! how convienient for a new product!!

blackbond my friend were you joking when you made that quote??

That is from the offical statement for the name change decision from Revolution to Wii man.

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]not necessarily. walking back the way you came isn't revolutionary is it? but yeah I think the wii is more a translation than a revolution. a translation of our gaming experiences to a new audience. but in that case they should have both options available.Tragic_Kingdom7

Huh?

The controller is a different direction. How can you dispute that?

Also, why does the Wii have to have both "options"? (

If you want a certain kind of experience, find the product that will suit that.

I disputed the wiimote in my topic comment in detail. im not going to repeat it again. and I said they should let both options be available for it to be a real revolution! why? well 1:1 mapping is inadequete sure it maybe friendlier to very casual gamers but what about the hardcore gamer. from his/her point of view the wiimote is a backwards step. so to stop that stagnation leaving both as options is the best! like with SSBB.

*yawn* i don't know about anyone else, but i play games. and if the game is good, i don't care what system its on.clone01

games usually require a platform. so the ability/potential of a platform is quite relevant.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]not necessarily. walking back the way you came isn't revolutionary is it? but yeah I think the wii is more a translation than a revolution. a translation of our gaming experiences to a new audience. but in that case they should have both options available.Great_Ragnarok

Huh?

The controller is a different direction. How can you dispute that?

Also, why does the Wii have to have both "options"? (

If you want a certain kind of experience, find the product that will suit that.

I disputed the wiimote in my topic comment in detail. im not going to repeat it again. and I said they should let both options be available for it to be a real revolution! why? well 1:1 mapping is inadequete sure it maybe friendlier to very casual gamers but what about the hardcore gamer. from his/her point of view the wiimote is a backwards step. so to stop that stagnation leaving both as options is the best! like with SSBB.

*yawn* i don't know about anyone else, but i play games. and if the game is good, i don't care what system its on.clone01

games usually require a platform. so the ability/potential of a platform is quite relevant.

Why is it a backwards step? Surely further interaction with a game can only be better?

That is from the offical statement for the name change decision from Revolution to Wii man.

Blackbond

ok cool. but that statement is ridiculous, sorry.

Why is it a backwards step? Surely further interaction with a game can only be better?

Pietrooper

please read my topic comment. I explain why theres no revolution behind the wiimote. and yes more interaction with a game is better. which is why the wiimote is inadequte compared to the 360/PS3 and keyboard controls.