The Witcher VS Dragon Age.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Well, it is a gimmick. That's half the fun, dontcha know.DarkLink77

Just remember that if you take that persona... If that's the mask you wear here, then that's who you are here. Every mask we wear is one that is apart of us. You'll still be that idiot and example as long as you wear it.

End of my little rant on that subject. Will return to not caring once again. Good day to you.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] 

The original Witcher is solid. Very enjoyable. Combat seems to be hit or miss with a lot of people, though.

DarkLink77

Dragon Age: Origins is a single player mmo with absolutely no variety.

Dragon Age 2 has some of the worst writing I have witnessed. Demo also crashed on me constantly after character creation.

And good grief. This thread is a shining example of what one of my friends/classmates told me a few months back.

"Fanboys are like the best thing ever, consistantly and reliably making a fool out of themselves to entertain others. Best part of all though is that they dont realize just how stupid they are."

Obviously The Witcher. DA Origins was one of the best games I played but the second one was absolute trash. Casual trash.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] You want to play it off as a gimmick? Do what you will. Can't say it isn't possible, but after all that offense you took from me even making it a possibility it would make anyone have serious doubts. Still can't say I care. At least you're past the stage of flat out denying it all.lx_theo

Just remember that if you take that persona... If that's the mask you wear here, then that's who you are here. Every mask we wear is one that is apart of us. You'll still be that idiot and example as long as you wear it.

End of my little rant on that subject. Will return to not caring once again. Good day to you.

A quick response, because you brought up a very good point:

Look at Dragon Age II or FFXIII or Mass Effect 3 or Diablo III (funny, this mostly seems to happen with RPGs). If you just listened to the folks on the internet, you'd think all of those games were stains on the fabric of humanity with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. They're not bad games. In fact, I'd argue that most of them are actually pretty good. But people tend to overreact and don't view things as they are. They aren't objective. They judge them based on what they wanted. Sure, we all do that, but it's taken to such an extreme here, and so earnestly that it's ridiculous. On the other hand, playing along with that can be very fun.

As for the bolded long as most folks know when I'm joking or when the mask is on (and most do), I'm okay with it.

A good day to you, sir. I'm going to go play FFXIII.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Been sort of on an RPG kick. Got a number on Steam and I have my eyes on a bunch of stuff on GOG. Currently I've got the Witcher, the Fallout series (minus the console-exclusive Brotherhood of Steel that everyone hates), Mass Effect 1 & 2, and Planescape: Torment on my to-play list.PannicAtack

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Of course it's a gimmick/persona/act whatever you want to call it. System Wars is for fun, not serious discussion. Well, on occasion it can be, but mostly? Nope. I know Dragon Age II isn't a bad game. A fairly average one, sure, but bad? Nah. But it's more fun to say it is and hope that texasgoldrush or someone will show up.DarkLink77

Just remember that if you take that persona... If that's the mask you wear here, then that's who you are here. Every mask we wear is one that is apart of us. You'll still be that idiot and example as long as you wear it.

End of my little rant on that subject. Will return to not caring once again. Good day to you.

A quick response, because you brought up a very good point:

Look at Dragon Age II or FFXIII or Mass Effect 3 or Diablo III (funny, this mostly seems to happen with RPGs). If you just listened to the folks on the internet, you'd think all of those games were stains on the fabric of humanity with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. They're not bad games. In fact, I'd argue that most of them are actually pretty good. But people tend to overreact and don't view things as they are. They aren't objective. They judge them based on what they wanted. Sure, we all do that, but it's taken to such an extreme here, and so earnestly that it's ridiculous. On the other hand, playing along with that can be very fun.

As for the bolded long as most folks know when I'm joking or when the mask is on (and most do), I'm okay with it.

A good day to you, sir. I'm going to go play FFXIII.

The DA:O hate seems to be strong here.... I guess I'm a bit old schooled myself, preferring those good old tactical DnD RPG's from the days of old. I prefer The Witcher as a series though over Dragon age as Dragon age just has One amazing game and a solid expansion pack, while The Witcher has 2 amazing games.dracolich55

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]The DA:O hate seems to be strong here.... I guess I'm a bit old schooled myself, preferring those good old tactical DnD RPG's from the days of old. I prefer The Witcher as a series though over Dragon age as Dragon age just has One amazing game and a solid expansion pack, while The Witcher has 2 amazing games.Maroxad

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]The DA:O hate seems to be strong here.... I guess I'm a bit old schooled myself, preferring those good old tactical DnD RPG's from the days of old. I prefer The Witcher as a series though over Dragon age as Dragon age just has One amazing game and a solid expansion pack, while The Witcher has 2 amazing games.dracolich55

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

Pretty much all the ps3 fanboys will say DAO because TW2 isnt on PS3 and all the 360 and PC gamers will say the Witcher 2 because they have played both. I can assure you the Witcher 2 is far better than Dragon Age Origins and its certainly a lot better than Dragon Age 2. The Witcher 2 is the best single player RPG since Baldurs Gate.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]The DA:O hate seems to be strong here.... I guess I'm a bit old schooled myself, preferring those good old tactical DnD RPG's from the days of old. I prefer The Witcher as a series though over Dragon age as Dragon age just has One amazing game and a solid expansion pack, while The Witcher has 2 amazing games.Maroxad

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

That's kind of a tired complaint. DA:O does not have MMO combat, yo. Especially not WoW combat.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]The DA:O hate seems to be strong here.... I guess I'm a bit old schooled myself, preferring those good old tactical DnD RPG's from the days of old. I prefer The Witcher as a series though over Dragon age as Dragon age just has One amazing game and a solid expansion pack, while The Witcher has 2 amazing games.dracolich55

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

Oh I played the Baldur's Gate series. Baldur's Gate had a lot more depth, and variety. No threat mechanics forcing foes to target the tanks at all times, healing spells were touch based putting the healers at risk, fallen party members had to be resurrected either with a cleric which could cost quite a bit of money, 6 man parties, varied encounters, and enemies that had some thought put into them, and a LOT more spells.

This is what I consider old school.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]The DA:O hate seems to be strong here.... I guess I'm a bit old schooled myself, preferring those good old tactical DnD RPG's from the days of old. I prefer The Witcher as a series though over Dragon age as Dragon age just has One amazing game and a solid expansion pack, while The Witcher has 2 amazing games.DarkLink77

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

That's kind of a tired complaint. DA:O does not have MMO combat, yo. Especially not WoW combat.

Yeah, you are right, calling DAO's combat WoW-esque would be an insult to WoW.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

Maroxad

That's kind of a tired complaint. DA:O does not have MMO combat, yo. Especially not WoW combat.

Yeah, you are right, calling DAO's combat WoW-esque would be an insult to WoW.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

MBirdy88

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="dracolich55"] Nah, DA:O was much more complex than ME, it was like Baldurs Gate if you have ever played that. And controlling multiple characters was the norm in the old school DnD games.dracolich55

Other than the traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combat, what does Dragon Age: Origins have to do with Baldur's Gate?

The Witcher. Dragon Age one which is allegedly the "good one" is hot garbagejg4xchamp

[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Do not, compare.... DA:O to.... baldurs gate... please..... I BEG OF YOU.Maroxad

Other than the traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combat, what does Dragon Age: Origins have to do with Baldur's Gate?

traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combat

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"] What if I told you..... that DA:O is worthy of the title as the spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate? *prepares flame shield* But of course BG is much better than Dragon Age, but in this day and age it was surprising Bioware even went back to their roots and even could still make such a game, even if DAO wasn't as good as BG.dracolich55

Other than the traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combat, what does Dragon Age: Origins have to do with Baldur's Gate?

traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combat

So... it is as much of a successor as Drakensang then.

What I was hoping for was a ruleset with more than 3 classes, bigger parties, non of this MMO-wannabe non-sense, varied encounters, GOOD quests, a static attribute system, relatively interesting enchantments on equipment and writing that did not take itself so seriously.

You could say that Dragon Age: Origins was an attempt to make a worthy successor of BG, too bad they forgot what made BG so good in the first place some way through the development.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Other than the traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combat, what does Dragon Age: Origins have to do with Baldur's Gate?

Maroxad

traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combat

So... it is as much of a successor as Drakensang then.

What I was hoping for was a ruleset with more than 3 classes, bigger parties, non of this MMO-wannabe non-sense, varied encounters, GOOD quests, an attribute system allowed for more customization (as opposed to the current one which allows and encourages players to focus on just one stat or so), relatively interesting enchantments on equipment and writing that did not take itself so seriously.

You could say that Dragon Age: Origins was an attempt to make a worthy successor of BG, too bad they forgot what made BG so good some way through the development.

Well... Dragon Age 2 was well **** They cut the corners for that game so much that when they were done they had nothing left. I got to borrow it from my friend after he said that he felt "cheated" for spending money on the game (i did warn him but oh well) then he lent his copy to me and well... It was so bad i had to continue to play it to see if it could get worse O.o (yes i was bored). Dragon Age Origins is "ok" but still felt abit weak compared to Baldurs gate (that it was meant to be the spirutal successor of) Honestly it fell flat on its face but i still had fun playing it even with its flaws and dumbed down / streamlined abilities / combat / stats system. The Witcher 1 and 2 is abit of a like and dislike thing. They work good as ARPG's but kinda lack the stats, character customization to make it a great rpg. TW1 did some things better then TW2 and the other way around. If i had to pick? The witcher 1/2 atleast i enjoyed both the games compared to DAO and DA2 where i only enjoyed DAO.

Witcher series crushes DA in every aspect. DA1 was fun though even though the romance options were lame and poorly executed, and the game dragged itself on for far too long.

Love both of them, but Triss has dat ass

I liked DA a bit more than The Witcher but didn't like either much.

Both are boring as sh!t.

So much hate to Dragon Age in SWs. Miroku32

Well I've only played Origins and The Witcher. The Witcher was a terrible game so Dragon Age.

Of course it's a gimmick/persona/act whatever you want to call it. System Wars is for fun, not serious discussion. Well, on occasion it can be, but mostly? Nope. I know Dragon Age II isn't a bad game. A fairly average one, sure, but bad? Nah. But it's more fun to say it is and hope that texasgoldrush or someone will show up.DarkLink77

So much hate to Dragon Age in SWs. Miroku32

Anything>Dragon Age

[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Problem with Dragon Age: Origins was the fact that it wasnt exactly old school. The combat is something I would expect from WoW, save for the fact that you control 4 characters instead of 1.

It is like they took old school concepts, dumbed them down and mmoified them too much to the point to which they were no better than the mess that is Mass Effect.

MBirdy88

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]

traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combatdracolich55

You said it yourself. though I would also add heavy on interaction with companions. Though that's something Bioware does in a ll games, even ME or whatever. Its a spiritual successor, not a sequel. Did you except it to be set in the Forgotten Realms or something?

So... it is as much of a successor as Drakensang then.

What I was hoping for was a ruleset with more than 3 classes, bigger parties, non of this MMO-wannabe non-sense, varied encounters, GOOD quests, an attribute system allowed for more customization (as opposed to the current one which allows and encourages players to focus on just one stat or so), relatively interesting enchantments on equipment and writing that did not take itself so seriously.

You could say that Dragon Age: Origins was an attempt to make a worthy successor of BG, too bad they forgot what made BG so good some way through the development.

No, DAO sucks...hell, the game the combat rips of FFXII, is better in both gameplay and story than DAO. DAO is unbalanced. Mages are too powerful, and then they break it further in the expansion by adding ridicoulous skills for the warrior and rogue. Mana Clash instantly kills most enemy mages, so the most dangerous enemies are dead quickly. The Fade section sucks bad, and the Deep Roads is a padded borefest. The story is a cliche riddled mess that makes it up as it goes along. Nevermind the middle quests have very little to do with the plot. Compare to the similiar recruit the allies storyline in ME3 where these storylines strongly connect to the plot. In DAO, they do not, they are just filler. The characters outside Allistair are filler too...they aren't important in the storyline, They are just window dressing. Nevermind other than Leliana and Allistair (and Loghain) they lack actual character development and growth because Bioware doesn't show their character development or involve them in the story and Leliana needed a DLC. Also, the cast is entirely of resused Biowarian archtypes...the typical male goddie goodie lead (like Carth and Kaiden), Alistair, the spiritual goody female (Bastila and Dawn Star), Leliana, the brutish warrior (Canderous, Sagacious Zu), Sten, the bufoon (Whirlwind), Oghren, the oldie that wants to be young (like Jolee), Wynne, the obiligitory evil member, Morrigan, and the hilarious assassin (HK47), Zervan. Leliana is the ONLY one to have a hint of originality. Contrast this with DAII's cast, DAII's strongest point. DAII's cast breaks fantasy cliches and actually develops and particpates IN THE PLOT.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]No, DAO sucks...hell, the game the combat rips of FFXII, is better in both gameplay and story than DAO. DAO is unbalanced. Mages are too powerful, and then they break it further in the expansion by adding ridicoulous skills for the warrior and rogue. Mana Clash instantly kills most enemy mages, so the most dangerous enemies are dead quickly. The Fade section sucks bad, and the Deep Roads is a padded borefest. The story is a cliche riddled mess that makes it up as it goes along. Nevermind the middle quests have very little to do with the plot. Compare to the similiar recruit the allies storyline in ME3 where these storylines strongly connect to the plot. In DAO, they do not, they are just filler. The characters outside Allistair are filler too...they aren't important in the storyline, They are just window dressing. Nevermind other than Leliana and Allistair (and Loghain) they lack actual character development and growth because Bioware doesn't show their character development or involve them in the story and Leliana needed a DLC. Also, the cast is entirely of resused Biowarian archtypes...the typical male goddie goodie lead (like Carth and Kaiden), Alistair, the spiritual goody female (Bastila and Dawn Star), Leliana, the brutish warrior (Canderous, Sagacious Zu), Sten, the bufoon (Whirlwind), Oghren, the oldie that wants to be young (like Jolee), Wynne, the obiligitory evil member, Morrigan, and the hilarious assassin (HK47), Zervan. Leliana is the ONLY one to have a hint of originality. Contrast this with DAII's cast, DAII's strongest point. DAII's cast breaks fantasy cliches and actually develops and particpates IN THE PLOT.cain006

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[QUOTE="dracolich55"]

traditional fantasy setting and party based RTwP combatdracolich55

You said it yourself. though I would also add heavy on interaction with companions. Though that's something Bioware does in a ll games, even ME or whatever. Its a spiritual successor, not a sequel. Did you except it to be set in the Forgotten Realms or something?

So... it is as much of a successor as Drakensang then.

What I was hoping for was a ruleset with more than 3 classes, bigger parties, non of this MMO-wannabe non-sense, varied encounters, GOOD quests, an attribute system allowed for more customization (as opposed to the current one which allows and encourages players to focus on just one stat or so), relatively interesting enchantments on equipment and writing that did not take itself so seriously.

You could say that Dragon Age: Origins was an attempt to make a worthy successor of BG, too bad they forgot what made BG so good some way through the development.

The classes certainly have a lot more customization than those in BG. But for all the customization you have, there is little variety in party compositions. BG was more balanced than DAO despite the larger party. DAO barely put any emphasis in positioning too and each encounter could be won using the exact same strategy every time. The quests I did in DAO before I gave up reminded me a lot of those I see in mmos. Of course I didnt do all of them but those I did were absolutely terrible. Go here andd kill all enemies.

As someone else said, DAO has more in common with FFXII than Baldur's Gate I would also argue it resembles Xenoblade more than BG.

Somehow, despite the pseudo action combat and the fact that it is a JRPG, The Last Story reminds me of BG more than DAO with its 6 man parties, politics, varied encounters, chapter based progression and quests that had some effort put into them.