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#101 PBSnipes
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Was this all just rambling, or did any of it make sense?

Kevin-V

A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B.

Seriously though it does make sense, and the conflict between standards and innovation is an interesting dilemma. For example Mass Effect's combat may not be AAA material when compared to say, GRAW, but when compared to Diablo or other point-and-click RPGs it feels revolutionary. Depending on your point of view Mass Effect could be either a revelation or a massive dissapointment. Furthermore, can you even hold a game like Mass Effect (or FFXII, or Crisis Core etc.) to the standards of games with which they have little in common? The lines between genres are being blurred to the point where the idea of holding games to the standards of titles such as Baldur's Gate or FFVII is borderline rediculous.

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#102 murat8
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[QUOTE="murat8"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="murat8"]i have to rent this game im surprised by the great scores its gettingMikeE21286

What plae lets you rent DS games....just wondering, not being a smarta** , I've just never seen a place rent DS games.

gameflylets u rent games for everything and PSP movies too edit: i forgot u cant rent PC games though

oh, yeah, that's true......I was only thinking retail stores myself.

oh i dont know of any rental stores that rent out ds games sorry
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#103 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="murat8"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="murat8"]i have to rent this game im surprised by the great scores its gettingmurat8

What plae lets you rent DS games....just wondering, not being a smarta** , I've just never seen a place rent DS games.

gameflylets u rent games for everything and PSP movies too edit: i forgot u cant rent PC games though

oh, yeah, that's true......I was only thinking retail stores myself.

oh i dont know of any rental stores that rent out ds games sorry

no, it's cool. I'll be buying this.... I was just like "wow, I've never seen that before"

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#104 Bigboi500
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Wow, the DS is on a role! I know Rondo of Swords wont score as high but I hope Kevin V reviews it because he seems to like odd-ball games. :D
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#105 Cyber-
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I think this thread has evolved from talking about what score a good game got to the constant struggle between staying true to the formula while/or implementing innovation and advancement. This is not just a problem in RPGs but basically every genre. With any series that holds value there is going to be varying level of fans.

Theres gonna be that small group that wants a carbon copy of what made the series great in the first with some better textures, possibly a new weapon or spell(depends on the genre), and then a story that goes down the same basic structure(Mario and Zelda are victims of rechcled story lines). I cant tell you how many people I knew personally that were pissed at the minimal changes that underwent in Halo 3, they got mad at the deployable shields and regenerators, they got mad at the new button layout, and they never even look at the Forge, but despite those things that make them angry these people are still gonna buy the games they just make so much noise that it scares developers from experimenting. Another example is SSBB with wavedashing, I think that they totally refined the dodging and now its been molded into a system thats a bit more competitive and has more flow for each fighter instead of just spamming you have to rely more on surprising your opponent. Then you got fans that dont really care either way as long as it keeps them coming back. Then you got people who dislike or are unfamiliar with that frnachise but cant get into it because it sticks to archaic formulas.

Theres always gonna be this struggle, but I feel that there is a lack of experimentation and innovation when it comes to the big blockbuster releases. Companies are not gonna risk it and these fans are not gonna let up. Its a serious downer on creativity. There is a way to make a sequal that compliment where it came from but also brings something new to the table that makes it worth a sequal; I just dont believe enough evelopers are even bothering with that.

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#106 Kevin-V
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I think this thread has evolved from talking about what score a good game got to the constant struggle between staying true to the formula while/or implementing innovation and advancement. This is not just a problem in RPGs but basically every genre. With any series that holds value there is going to be varying level of fans.

Theres gonna be that small group that wants a carbon copy of what made the series gre

Cyber-

Indeed; sorry to contribute to a certain amount of off-topic ranting here, but I did want to speak to some of the feedback I saw. I've actually considered doing a big blog entry on the art of reviewing (or if you don't think it's an art, then the craft, or the job, or the what have you), because a lot of this speaks to the position a reviewer finds himself in everytime he sticks a disc into a machine. There isn't a magic formula, and old-school game can be refreshing (i.e., Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars) or it can be stale and almost upsetting (Heavenly Guardian). There's the Blizzard approach (work with an old formula and polish until it's shiny and perfect) or the SUDA-51 approach (craft a new and unique experience that hopefully succeeds in spite of its mechanical or technological flaws).

Both ways can lead to incredible games (World of Warcraft and No More Heroes, respectively); one game perfects a formula, while the other disregards formula for the sake of something new. And both can be exciting. A flaw that's extrenely noticeable in a formulaic game, however, is easier to forgive in a new and exciting approach, which is why I think both approaches can coexist.

So I think it's a misnomer to assume that we require every game to be innovative, though we do give an edge to games that try something unique, per our published reviews guidelines. But there are so many other factors to consider. If innovation were the only requirement to make a good game, titles like Stranger would get universally high marks, while C&C3 would have been deplored. The same is true in film reviews: a good old-fashioned action movie or chick flick can be wholly satisfying, if the stars are charming, the action is fun and fluid, and so on and so forth.

In the end, when I am on the fence about a score, I pretend it's two years later and that I am looking into the past. If it's two years later, will I even remember this game, let alone remember it as one of the greats? Is it special enough that I will forget the flaws and treasure its high points? Would you wax nostalgic for the good old days, and use the game as an example of what made games so great back in those good old days?

That's what's always separated the 9's from the rest for me. In a decade, when I look back at 2008, I will remember Crisis Core, Okami, and No More Heroes as games that define what it meant to be a gamer this year (and I hope there are others). You can quantify standards in many ways, but that gets you only so far. The rest of the craft is relying on your intuition to determine if the game transcends a list of bullet points to become truly memorable in a way only the finest games can. And while I haven't played The World Ends with You yet, all indications are that it is, indeed, a game that many will list when they sit in their rocking chairs in 50 years and talk about gaming's good old days. You know, back in the 2000's.

I am so off topic. But it was good to write this out, anyway. G'nigh. *snore*

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#107 Yo_Foo2
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EsquareEnix = EPIC AAA WIN!

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#108 ff7isnumbaone
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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]Booyah! wOOt, take that DS-haters. Looks like Gamespot has finally awarded the DS with its first, true AAA RPG hit!blitzkid1

Agreed.

lol I still hate the DS. psp is for the mature,farless kiddier than nintendo handhelds. lol. glad its AAA because I support square.

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#109 Toriko42
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DS is good....who said it wasn't

PSP nerds?
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#110 gorilazandgames
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i don't even know what this games about... but I still want it. :)
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#111 ArisShadows
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I shall pick it up tommorow, perhaps.
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#112 BlazeDragon132
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Handheld domination...4 AAAs in 4 months!
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#113 Blackbond
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The World Ends With You


Out of my face....
You're blocking my view!
Shut up!
Stop talking!
Just go the hell away...
All the world needs is me.
I have my values.
So you can keep yours alright?
I don't need people.
Never have never will...

This is the introduction to the game. Main character has a little I'm to cool for you attitude if you ask me :lol:

Oh and the game does have voice overs.

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#114 Blackbond
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EsquareEnix = EPIC AAA WIN!

Yo_Foo2

Who in the blue hell are you!?

(More then one Yo_Foo?)

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#115 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="Yo_Foo2"]

EsquareEnix = EPIC AAA WIN!

Blackbond

Who in the blue hell are you!?

(More then one Yo_Foo?)

Most importantly... he posted about a DS game? Does the OG Foo even have a Nintendo system? Come now...
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#116 joeychew
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looks like an interesting game.
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#117 laughingman42
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]

[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]Booyah! wOOt, take that DS-haters. Looks like Gamespot has finally awarded the DS with its first, true AAA RPG hit!ff7isnumbaone

Agreed.

lol I still hate the DS. psp is for the mature,farless kiddier than nintendo handhelds. lol. glad its AAA because I support square.

You might want to use better grammar next time you talk about maturity, and hating a system just because it is supposedly "teh kiddy" doesn't exactly come off as particularly mature either.

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#118 Brainhunter
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Here's the pics I promised to take for my custom showcase DS emblems :

Me hard at work on Photoshop, creating my themes (and new Gamespot forum signature). I live in a dorm (university), so my DS and PSP are my only forms of gaming besides the PC (which is a humble laptop capable of running Assassin's Creed PC Edition on medium-high settings, cost me 1500$, 2 years ago. PC Gaming IS CHEAP, considering the age of my notebook).

After my digital work, I printed them, cut them out, and here we have it : the custom shield for my DS, my two skins which will slip between the DS and the shield, and my Black DSLite, as glossy as it was over a year and a half ago (goes to show how much of a "virgin" it is to dust, scratches and ambient air particles, lol).

Closer inspection of the skins :

Front theme equipped :

Back theme equipped : (you'll note the resemblance to my current signature)

Cheers Mate!

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#119 Cyber-
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[QUOTE="Cyber-"]Kevin-V

Indeed; sorry to contribute to a certain amount of off-topic ranting here, but I did want to speak to some of the feedback I saw. I've actually considered doing a big blog entry on the art of reviewing (or if you don't think it's an art, then the craft, or the job, or the what have you), because a lot of this speaks to the position a reviewer finds himself in everytime he sticks a disc into a machine. There isn't a magic formula, and old-school game can be refreshing (i.e., Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars) or it can be stale and almost upsetting (Heavenly Guardian). There's the Blizzard approach (work with an old formula and polish until it's shiny and perfect) or the SUDA-51 approach (craft a new and unique experience that hopefully succeeds in spite of its mechanical or technological flaws).

Both ways can lead to incredible games (World of Warcraft and No More Heroes, respectively); one game perfects a formula, while the other disregards formula for the sake of something new. And both can be exciting. A flaw that's extrenely noticeable in a formulaic game, however, is easier to forgive in a new and exciting approach, which is why I think both approaches can coexist.

So I think it's a misnomer to assume that we require every game to be innovative, though we do give an edge to games that try something unique, per our published reviews guidelines. But there are so many other factors to consider. If innovation were the only requirement to make a good game, titles like Stranger would get universally high marks, while C&C3 would have been deplored. The same is true in film reviews: a good old-fashioned action movie or chick flick can be wholly satisfying, if the stars are charming, the action is fun and fluid, and so on and so forth.

In the end, when I am on the fence about a score, I pretend it's two years later and that I am looking into the past. If it's two years later, will I even remember this game, let alone remember it as one of the greats? Is it special enough that I will forget the flaws and treasure its high points? Would you wax nostalgic for the good old days, and use the game as an example of what made games so great back in those good old days?

That's what's always separated the 9's from the rest for me. In a decade, when I look back at 2008, I will remember Crisis Core, Okami, and No More Heroes as games that define what it meant to be a gamer this year (and I hope there are others). You can quantify standards in many ways, but that gets you only so far. The rest of the craft is relying on your intuition to determine if the game transcends a list of bullet points to become truly memorable in a way only the finest games can. And while I haven't played The World Ends with You yet, all indications are that it is, indeed, a game that many will list when they sit in their rocking chairs in 50 years and talk about gaming's good old days. You know, back in the 2000's.

I am so off topic. But it was good to write this out, anyway. G'nigh. *snore*

Hey I have no problem with it. Even though there has been a plethora of good games and juicy controversy in the gaming industry lately, the forums here have been lacking in good gaming discussion.

Anyway, WoW and NMH both fit those different approaches to games. WoW is basically the definition of polishing out a formula to the nth degree, and NMH is certainly strives for something new and for the most part excels at it. I think NMH may not be the best example because its hard for some people to appreciate that brilliant design when there are some graphical deficiencies, framerate issues, and uninspired overworld. I know listing it like that, makes it sound terrible but NMH really was awsome just hard for some to understand. If NMH2 comes out I would fully expect the same crazy unique design but also tighten the screws and smooth out the rough edges.

Both type of games pretty much HAVE to coexist. There is reputable markets for both.

I was not not assuming that about your reviews though. I was just talking about it as a problem from the development side. An example of you guys reviewing it correctly I see Rainbow 6: Vegas 2 as a case where it basically copied what you happened in the first one, but the first one was so good and polished it wasnt really a problem and the review was appropriately scored to that a little lower than the first. Maybe not at GS(possibly though) there are reviewers who do not like change at all and score with that in mind.

I think a reason why many, esp diehard fans, scorn and shun innovation is that, as you said, innovation alone is not the key to a good game. So some games are innovative but everything else sucks so that innovation doesnt follow through.

As for games that you will remember years down the road, those are the games that really count. Obviously CoD4 will sit up there and so will SMG.

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Wahey!...Except, i've still got Phoenix Wright 3 and 4 to complete, as well as Zelda PH, Ninja Gaiden, Osu Tatakae Ouendan 2! Taiko no Tatsujin, Professor Layton, Final Fantasy Revenant Wings and Ring of Fates. I haven't even begun listing the games to complete on my Wii and PC. >_> Too little time! :(
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#121 Blackbond
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Back theme equipped : (you'll note the resemblance to my current signature)

Brainhunter

The Armor Lite DS is a nice carrying cas. I have one. I assume you can only use these themes you print off your computer because you can stick them right under the armor lite?

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#122 FireEmblem_Man
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Here's the pics I promised to take for my custom showcase DS emblems :

Me hard at work on Photoshop, creating my themes (and new Gamespot forum signature). I live in a dorm (university), so my DS and PSP are my only forms of gaming besides the PC (which is a humble laptop capable of running Assassin's Creed PC Edition on medium-high settings, cost me 1500$, 2 years ago. PC Gaming IS CHEAP, considering the age of my notebook).

After my digital work, I printed them, cut them out, and here we have it : the custom shield for my DS, my two skins which will slip between the DS and the shield, and my Black DSLite, as glossy as it was over a year and a half ago (goes to show how much of a "virgin" it is to dust, scratches and ambient air particles, lol).

Closer inspection of the skins :

Front theme equipped :

Back theme equipped : (you'll note the resemblance to my current signature)

Cheers Mate!

Brainhunter

May I ask, what printer and material did you use to create these skins?

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#123 Eponique
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[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]I may be the only one on the face of system wars who hyped this game as so.glitchgeeman

I did, but it was more or less because I loved the artstyle. :P

Don't forget me! Heck, I got the cows pissed by saying it will be better than Crisis Core :lol:

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#124 Brainhunter
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The Armor Lite DS is a nice carrying cas. I have one. I assume you can only use these themes you print off your computer because you can stick them right under the armor lite?

Blackbond

That is correct. I slip these paper thin themes in between my DS Custom Showcase and the actual DSLite. Due to the tight, snug fit of the shield, it allows me to improvise and just print my own themes. No need for decals or anything of the sort.

May I ask, what printer and material did you use to create these skins?

FireEmblem_Man

Being in post-secondary studies, I find myself printing a lot of content for my sessions, from school essays to presentation diagrams to PDF course notes and ebooks.

It was to my content that I purchased from FutureShop (Think of it like BestBuy, but Canadian) a Laser Printer, or more specifically, the Samsung CLP-510 Series printer. It uses 4 different cartridges for printing : one dedicated for black & white prints and three for colour printing (Red, Green, Blue).

I can easily print over 2000 black & white copies (possibly A LOT MORE) without having to replace the ink cartridge, which costs a 100$ CAN a pop. Considering the amount you can print on this thing, that saves you a ton of money. I've been using this printer for over 2 years now, and I still did not require cartridge replacement.

The material I've printed my themes with is...

your average Grand & Toy letter-sized paper which you can obtain at your local Staples / Business Depot / most computer tech stores. The quality of prints, as you can see above, is impressive, to say the least. The printer does support transparent / glossy / letter sized papers, but those are too specialized and expensive for my uses.

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#125 FireEmblem_Man
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[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

May I ask, what printer and material did you use to create these skins?

Brainhunter

Being in post-secondary studies, I find myself printing a lot of content for my sessions, from school essays to presentation diagrams to PDF course notes and ebooks.

It was to my content that I purchased from FutureShop (Think of it like BestBuy, but Canadian) a Laser Printer, or more specifically, the Samsung CLP-510 Series printer. It uses 4 different cartridges for printing : one dedicated for black & white prints and three for colour printing (Red, Green, Blue).

I can easily print over 2000 black & white copies (possibly A LOT MORE) without having to replace the ink cartridge, which costs a 100$ CAN a pop. Considering the amount you can print on this thing, that saves you a ton of money. I've been using this printer for over 2 years now, and I still did not require cartridge replacement.

The material I've printed my themes with is...

your average Grand & Toy letter-sized paper which you can obtain at your local Staples / Business Depot / most computer tech stores. The quality of prints, as you can see above, is impressive, to say the least. The printer does support transparent / glossy / letter sized papers, but those are too specialized and expensive for my uses.

Thanks, that's what I need :D

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#126 SSJ_Nega
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I do really want to get this game, but there are just too many games i'm playing right now, aswell as games i need to get first.
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#127 haterex
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Excellent Score...9.0... :D
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#128 HarlockJC
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I never did ask is this game turn based?
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#129 samusarmada
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awesome :)
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#130 Wanderer5
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I never did ask is this game turn based?HarlockJC

From what I seen, no. It look real time when you are in a battle.

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#131 HarlockJC
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I never did ask is this game turn based?Wanderer5

From what I seen, no. It look real time when you are in a battle.

Man that sucks, I love turn based and the companies seem to be moving away from it.

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#132 mohfrontline
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a 9.0 ds game? nice
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#133 skrat_01
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Have to let my Square Enix nut freinds know about this title.
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#134 finalfantasy94
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I was always interested in this game. Even when it was first shown in JP. This is the main reason I bought a DS light. Also whats with people being shocked or dissapointed by the price? Its a SE game for ds. Those games are always 40 bucks.
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#135 DireToad
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Damnit.

This game makes me want to buy a DS. Again. For the third time.



Maybe I should just keep one. :P
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#136 patrickjw333
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Booyah! wOOt, take that DS-haters. Looks like Gamespot has finally awarded the DS with its first, true AAA RPG hit!Brainhunter

i have a question?

W H O C A R E S!!!!

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#137 dreman999
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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]Booyah! wOOt, take that DS-haters. Looks like Gamespot has finally awarded the DS with its first, true AAA RPG hit!patrickjw333

i have a question?

W H O C A R E S!!!!

If you don't care, WHY POST ANYTHING!!!!!!

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#138 HarlockJC
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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]Booyah! wOOt, take that DS-haters. Looks like Gamespot has finally awarded the DS with its first, true AAA RPG hit!patrickjw333

i have a question?

W H O C A R E S!!!!

I am going to go out there so stay with me on this one, maybe just maybe someone who likes RPG games. No really I think they would care.....

Damnit.

This game makes me want to buy a DS. Again. For the third time.



Maybe I should just keep one. :P
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There is too many good RPGs coming out on the DS this year to not pick up one if you are a RPG fan.

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#139 naruto7777
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the game looks good
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#140 mistervengeance
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square enix can do something right!(that isn't final fantasy)
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#141 thegoldenpoo
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im a JRPG hater and i REALLY enjoyed this game, holy crap square enix has gotten me too! arg! runnn!!!! there isnt enough FPS in the wrold to make me feel clean again.... :P
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#142 air_wolf_cubed
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the handheld AAA tie-breaker
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#143 Dr_Corndog
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Great to see that Square Enix can still come up with great original IP's. After seeing them release a dozen FFVII spin-offs, I'd begun to doubt they could do it.
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#144 glitchgeeman
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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]Booyah! wOOt, take that DS-haters. Looks like Gamespot has finally awarded the DS with its first, true AAA RPG hit!patrickjw333

i have a question?

W H O C A R E S!!!!

All the cows who said the DS would never get a AAA RPG to rival Crisis Core, because as you can tell, they're all either in damage control or denying it exists.

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#145 voxware00
Member since 2004 • 5018 Posts

as i posted earlier

someone had asked last night "does the ds even have an AAA rpg"

no longer must sheep resort to "well mario & luigi: pit is 8.9"

i love this game and i'd rant about why but i've already been blabbing about it in every other post so i'm tired by now :P

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#146 Kev_Unreal
Member since 2007 • 2818 Posts
I just heard of this game today ... and I'll go see more detail of it since I want a new game for my DS.