The Xbox One X isn't particularly great even at 500$...

Garbage for your standards and others like the TC, but you don't speak for everyone though. I'm happy with the regular X1S, runs games good enough for me, I'm just happy the X1X will be a nice boost. I don't care it won't run every game at 60 fps, this was never traditionally a thing for consoles they were never 60 fps machines and this will not change with the X1X, but it's still much more powerful than the base XOne so the price is justified for me.

Good for you and your super powerful PC that runs everything at 60 fps, you're too good for a piece of shit like the XOneX.... that's fine, your business. Still a powerful console with respect to what's out there now in the console world, and it will be fine for me, power-wise.....to each his own.

It’s a great system for me to which I very much look forward to getting and that’s all that really matters to me.

You didn't include a blu-ray drive or a wireless card.

Bluray?... PC cases are moving away from drives and lined connections are better for gaming.

Wireless card!... XD, I can't get my PS4 to hold 30Mb/s and I have a 300Mb/s connection.

Next people will say hey the PC needs a monitor and a desk/chair. I would love to know how many console gamers are using 32" 720p TV's... I bet its 90%.

I just bring it up because technically the sleek X1X has these, where as his big box does not.

I get 40-50Mb/s with my Xone on my connection.

@bassman well it might sound weird but I played xbox 360 for 10 years till december 2016 (got ps4 pro and recently got a pc 1050ti 8gb ddr4 ram pentium g4560) and honestly xbox 360 was amazing and perfect and I believe I will survive just fine with my pc + ps4 pro +x360 combo.

saying one x is garbage for 500 is insane. One X its a pretty good piece of hardware and I might not buy it since Im very happy already with my gaming systems but it is still pretty nice the one x

I have a GREAT gaming computer and cannot wait to purchase my Xbox One X. It will be a GREAT purchase and I can't wait to play great games on it. Man it will be glorious and fun just like my PS4 Pro and Switch. Sorry I am a gamer and the rest of you are cry baby fanboys.

@Xabiss: I’m sure it’ll be great playing the same games with worse performance and visual than your PC.

Hell yeah it will be a ton of fun to play games on my One X. Thanks! Going to be a great system for gamers.

He/She/Thing doesn't have a gaming rig, neither does half of those on GS.

You're the one spreading misinformation here, comparing the xboxone x chip with the g4560 is ridiculous. This is a custom jaguar cpu, it murders the g4560

Besides it's mainly the ps4 that had problems with the cpu and it was mainly because of a lack of proper development gpgpu tools and experience, not because of a bottleneck. It's the reason why certain games took months of patching to best the xboxone performance in framerates.

The xboxone x has also a dedicated dx12 chip to alleviate the cpu.

well it's a better offering than the X1 for $500, so at least there's that

Terrible thread. G4560 will only be enough when comparing performance to base consoles (PS4, X1) not XOX. You'll need something like a 6th gen mid range i5 and above. Also, I seriously doubt the GTX 580 gets anywhere close to One X's performance.

You'll also need a 1080 Ti to run the games half as good as the X1X.

Right, even though the original i7 with a modest overclock can run games at 4K 30fps with the right video card.

Not even close.

@commander said:

@Juub1990 said:

@i_p_daily: I don’t care that you don’t want one. I simply want to correct the misinformation that has been spreading around.

You're the one spreading misinformation here, comparing the xboxone x chip with the g4560 is ridiculous. This is a custom jaguar cpu, it murders the g4560

Besides it's mainly the ps4 that had problems with the cpu and it was mainly because of a lack of proper development gpgpu tools and experience, not because of a bottleneck. It's the reason why certain games took months of patching to best the xboxone performance in framerates.

The xboxone x has also a dedicated dx12 chip to alleviate the cpu.

It doesn't murder anything.

The X1X CPU while it has more threads to use its single core performance is FAR from the performance of a modern i3 while gaming. Not sure what you guys are drinking but numerous developers have already mentioned that the CPU is still a barrier for them.

A 2.3Ghz Jaguar chip is no where near the performance of a 2 core 4 thread G/i3 CPU at 3.5GHz+. The performance of the Jaguar chip is essentially what you get from AMD A6 laptop CPU's not even near the performance of a FX 6100.

90% of games perform better on 2-4 fast cores than 6-8 slow cores... Intel has proved this time and time again. Single core performance is king and at 2.3GHz no amount of cores will save you.

Great comeback. I've yet to see how the GTX 580 outperforms the One X.

Pretty sure the 920 is very similar in performance to the i5-6400. But its much more expensive than the Pentium it's irrelevant.

You'll have to be more specific than that.

Well even at $500 it's pretty cheap. You get what you pay for, generally.

I have a very nice gaming laptop with an Nvidia 1070, 32 Gigs of RAM, and an i7 CPU. So please take your ass hurt somewhere else. ;) You have been pwned son!

BTW the Xbox One X is TERRIFIC value for $500 and I cant wait to play awesome games on it. Such a wonderful machine it is, just like the PS4 Pro and Switch! Man it is a great time to be a gamer with all of this awesome tech around us!

I have no idea why you're talking about a GTX 580.

@Alucard_Prime: As long as you are not hyping the X1X as super powerful hardware, I respect your opinion. You are not as concerned about quality and that is fine. I still recommend spending a little more and getting a decent PC as it is not just about what is available in the console world. It is about the games and PC is the best place to play them. With MS titles now on PC, now is as good a time as any to make the jump.

@pcmasterrace69: Neither your build or your quality standards suit your username.

I was.... But you quoted just this.

AMD Jaguar core's are trash in comparison to even AMD's own FX series and those get destroyed by i3's.

The closest thing we have to the X1X CPU is a AMD A6 2.0Ghz Jaguar chip and its absolute garbage in comparison to a MOBILE i5... But a Desktop i5?... Your drinking something that's for sure.

@nygamespottersaid:

Pretty sure the 920 is very similar in performance to the i5-6400. But its much more expensive than the Pentium it's irrelevant.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-920-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6400/1981vs3512

It's actually a fair bit slower.

Pretty much any i7 from any era can beat the potato CPU in the X1X unfortunately. There are numerous videos out there proving that the 920 can still run most modern games at 60 fps at 1080p, and 30 fps at 4K when overclocked to 3.6+ Ghz. (which 99% of them are able to achieve).

If I disable 2 cores on my 970, which is running at 4.0 Ghz, it's pretty much the same story.

@Juub1990:

How can it be misinformation, if it's all opinionated anyways?

Performance isn't opinion.

@Juub1990:

No, but your outlook on consoles surely is, in which I believe is why you created this thread in the 1st place.

No the thread is about the performance the X1X provides for 500$ which while not bad at all isn't amazing.

@Juub1990:

In which is an OPINION!!!! Do you understand the meaning of the word: Opinion?

@BassMan: Fair enough, yeah for sure if I go back to PC gaming I would do it properly and would spend enough to get a beast in all areas cpu, gpu, ram, video card., etc. It sucks having a powerful PC overall with a clear bottleneck( just to save a little $$ or whatever) I would not want that, it would be a waste because some of the components would be held back from their full potential because of a bottleneck. That's one of the advantages of PC gaming, you can upgrade one single component if you want, whenever you want.

@ermacness: Are you trolling? Performance isn’t an opinion. An Xbox One X for 400$ provides better value than an Xbox One X for 500$. What’s hard to understand? We’re arguing metrics and measurable data.

Yea because 2016/2017 have showed how reliable media is...

@Juub1990:

Ok, allow me to destroy your entire comparison with one piece of of vital hardware that is present in the x1x, but missing in your "x1x" PC.

**drumroll**

Where's your UHD drive for your budget PC? If you're going to do a comparison, at least do it correctly.

You can't get a x1x without a UHD drive, so incorporate that device into your "budget" PC, and then tell me what's the price of this PC.

lol, using optical drives in 2017.

@Black96Z: I don't care what anyone says... you're not buying a $400 pc to game on... no one will ever do that... so the ps4pro is a good buy.

Same place where Windows 10 is on the X1X. Nobody uses optical drives in 2017 and it has nothing to do with games.

If you wanna argue features unrelated to gaming you're fighting a losing battle by siding with the X1X.

@Jebus213:

Stop making excuses. Go ahead and incorporate a UHD drive in that "budget" PC. I'll wait.

@Juub1990:

So in turn, that really wasn't a 400 dollar x1x after all, right?

P.S. This is the meaning of "using facts"

The point wasn't to build an X1X. The point was to build a PC offering similar performance for a similar price.

Non gaming feature?

Can X1X video edit?

@jeremiah06: and no one is buying a $500 pc to game on.

@Juub1990:

So now you retorted to moving the goal post. I'm willing to settle this debate in a draw, how about you?

@Juub1990: a home theater pc would need a UHD drive to play 4k blu rays on.

Not my fault you didn't read the OP and can't understand context. We may as well start including things like video editing and word processing in that case. Though I suspect the X1X can't do that.

These arguments seem really stupid to me. For $500 its a decent console. I prefer PC and the open platform it brings, but if someone wants to buy teh goddamned pre-built box with a closed ecosystem thats their prerogative.

And I never said the X1X was a bad console. I'm simply saying the performance it offers for its price is nothing to be amazed at.

@True_Gamer_:

LOL!!!!!! All of the "elite" hermits have came out of hiding, I see.

I'll tell you what, go back to the thread topic. You'll see that the TC was trying to build a budget PC to make the x1x obsolete. I never tried to make it seem like the PC was obsolete in gaming. All I did was just completely destroy his botched comparison with a simple fact, that's all.

Completely destroyed what? You owned yourself by making it clear you got into an argument you had no understanding of lol.

@Juub1990:

But it was YOU who replied to me with " a 400 dollar x1x". All I did was provided FACTUAL evidence how silly and botched this comparison really was.