These are the NUMBERS. They don't LIE!!! And yes PS3 is TANKING HARD!!! Link

http://nexgenwars.com/

360 has pick up a bit of steam as of lat and the numbers went over 11 mil.

Wiii is a no brainer selling good.

And PS3 has been struggle just over 3 mil for months.

And the real problem with PS3 is there software numbers they are PATHETIC. I mean in the TOILET PATHETIC. Sony is on very shaky ground and developers could start dropping like flies even more so if some drastic does not happen soon VERY SOON.

And yes nextgenwars is as accurate as it gets. So don't go saying it's not because it is. I've followed it for over a year and they are very much dead on.

Toilet pathetic?

Vegeta is dead on with his numbers.

Goku's power level is truly over nine thousand.

Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.Vandalvideo

So what can we trust? I trust the NPD data still, because they do estimate Wal-Mart's numbers as well.

Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.Vandalvideo

True 'nuff, and Wal-Mart sells a lot of stuff...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.gamespot813

So what can we trust? I trust the NPD data still, because they do estimate Wal-Mart's numbers as well.

[QUOTE="gamespot813"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.Vandalvideo

So what can we trust? I trust the NPD data still, because they do estimate Wal-Mart's numbers as well.

I never said I didn't trust nextgenwars. I just don't trust it as much as NPD numbers.

this is really, really..

just last year many posts were stating the ps3 would kill the 360 and even used the word "FACT" in capital letters...

i just can't imagine what happened....

:lol:

[QUOTE="gamespot813"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.Vandalvideo

So what can we trust? I trust the NPD data still, because they do estimate Wal-Mart's numbers as well.

depends on what they use as a basis for estimations.

Wrong, NPD is extremely accurate. Take a statistics class, they are plenty good enough to estimate the sales to within a few percent.ZinkOxide

depends on what they use as a basis for estimations.Ontain

Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.Vandalvideo

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]depends on what they use as a basis for estimations.Vandalvideo

trend?

who knows..

X360 - 20 months - 11 million
PS3 - 8 months - 3 million

i like numbers

This thread has already failed with the first post, oh and in before the lock.
Finale-

not as hard as the ps3

Everyone thinks the PS3 is dying because 360 has a year jump on it and because Wii is $250 and selling fast. If all consoles came out at the same time and were close in price this time then PS3's sales wouldn't seem so lackluster. Its hard for a $600 machine to compete against a $250 machine as far asthe consumer goes.Tiefster

The PS3 is dead because of the lack of any decent games and the games it has are not even on par with most 360 games.

If Sony had come through with all there promises and the PS3 really could produce games and graphics that blew the 360 out of the water then the PS3 would be flying off the shelfs. But we all know the PS3 is the biggest hype machine and letdown in gaming history at this point.

Consumers are not as dumb as Sony had hoped and Sony is being taught a nasty lesson in business 101.

[QUOTE="ZinkOxide"]Wrong, NPD is extremely accurate. Take a statistics class, they are plenty good enough to estimate the sales to within a few percent.Vandalvideo

No, NexGen Wars and VGcharts fabricate estimations in REAL TIME on a daily basis; NPD does not work like this. NPD waits for actual data from retailers before releasing numbers.

NPD gets actual concrete data from retailers, then they use accurate models to estimate the few who don't report to them (and as was said before, they are extremely accurate to within a couple percent, numbers shipped data released by the big three have proven this time and time again.) Retailers do not report to either VGcharts or NexGenWars.

NexGenWars/VGCharts then wait for the NPD numbers, and they change their incorrect estimations based on what they receive from NPD. I've seen XBox 360 numbers suddenlylose 500,000 units in one day on VGcharts because their estimations are inaccurate.

NPD has sent letters to VGcharts (and VGcharts have even published said letters on their site) pointing out their inability to accurately estimate NPD's official numbers before they're released.

There's a reason every credible source uses NPD as a basis (for stock trading, analysts, etc.) whereas none use NexGenCharts or VGCharts. There's an enormous difference between the accuracy rates of NPD and NexGenWars/VGcharts.

You are the quintessential devil's advocate, aren't you?

That being said, I don't give a damn about sales numbers. I don't work for any of these companies. Sell a little, sell a lot - it's all the friggin' same to me.

No, NexGen Wars and VGcharts fabricate estimations in REAL TIME on a daily basis; NPD does not work like this. NPD wiats for actual data from retailers before releasing numbers.NPD gets actual concrete data from retailers, then they use accurate models to estimate the few who don't report to them (and as was said before, they are extremely accurate to within a couple percent, numbers shipped data released by the big three have proven this time and time again.) Retailers do not report to either VGcharts or NexGenWars.NexGenWars/VGCharts then wait for the NPD numbers, and they change their incorrect estimations based on what they receive from NPD. I've seen XBox 360 numbers suddenlylose 500,000 units in one day on VGcharts because their estimations are inaccurate.NPD has sent letters to VGcharts (and VGcharts have even published said letters on their site) pointing out their inability to accurately estimate NPD's official numbers before they're released.There's a reason every credible source uses NPD as a basis (for stock trading, analysts, etc.) whereas none use NexGenCharts or VGCharts. Bill_McBlumpkin

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

Dinky360

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

Everyone thinks the PS3 is dying because 360 has a year jump on it and because Wii is $250 and selling fast. If all consoles came out at the same time and were close in price this time then PS3's sales wouldn't seem so lackluster. Its hard for a $600 machine to compete against a $250 machine as far asthe consumer goes.Tiefster

That is the damage control response I was looking for!!

Boo hoo. Woulda shoulda coulda. The Wii released the same time as the PS3, its selling at insane numbers and fastly approaching the 360. So whats your excuse now? "bu bu bu teh devs havent figured out teh cell!!" :shock:

Everyone thinks the PS3 is dying because 360 has a year jump on it and because Wii is $250 and selling fast. If all consoles came out at the same time and were close in price this time then PS3's sales wouldn't seem so lackluster. Its hard for a $600 machine to compete against a $250 machine as far asthe consumer goes.Tiefster

Well, that meanseveryone has common sense. IF the PS3 was priced lower, they can sell better. IF blu ray wins, they will help. IF MGS4 sold well, PS3 will win, etc. Yes, but it's not doing well right now, and that's all that matters.

[QUOTE="Dinky360"]

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

AzatiS

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

If you honestly think SONY will be able to do a price cut, while the PS3 is already NOT selling, and think that Wii and 360 wont do the same??? :lol:

Man I tell you, some people on this board.... :lol:

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]No, NexGen Wars and VGcharts fabricate estimations in REAL TIME on a daily basis; NPD does not work like this. NPD wiats for actual data from retailers before releasing numbers.NPD gets actual concrete data from retailers, then they use accurate models to estimate the few who don't report to them (and as was said before, they are extremely accurate to within a couple percent, numbers shipped data released by the big three have proven this time and time again.) Retailers do not report to either VGcharts or NexGenWars.NexGenWars/VGCharts then wait for the NPD numbers, and they change their incorrect estimations based on what they receive from NPD. I've seen XBox 360 numbers suddenlylose 500,000 units in one day on VGcharts because their estimations are inaccurate.NPD has sent letters to VGcharts (and VGcharts have even published said letters on their site) pointing out their inability to accurately estimate NPD's official numbers before they're released.There's a reason every credible source uses NPD as a basis (for stock trading, analysts, etc.) whereas none use NexGenCharts or VGCharts. Vandalvideo

Yes - as I said before, official numbers shipped released by Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have backed up NPD's estimation models time and time again (and when you get into 20 - 120 million shipped a percentage error of say 10% would make an enormous difference,) whereas VGcharts/NexGenWars are constantly adding or subtracting hundreds of thousands from their estimations BECAUSE of the release of the NPD numbers.

There's a reason every single credible source uses NPD.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]depends on what they use as a basis for estimations.Vandalvideo

either way i'm more confident of NPD's estimations based on whatever data they do have than that of a site which is all estimations and no data except for what NPD gives out.

it's like taking financial advice from Greenspan or some random blogger.

[QUOTE="Dinky360"]

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

AzatiS

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

How many, exactly?

face it; it's pure wishful thinking...

ps.. the ps3 still hasn't proved their "power" claims... all they've done is show theoritical maximums on paper that will never be achieved. let go of the hype and you shall be set free...:)

Yes - as I said before, official numbers shipped released by Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have backed up NPD's estimation models time and time again (and when you get into 20 - 120 million shipped a percentage error of say 10% would make an enormous difference,) whereas VGcharts/NexGenWars are constantly adding or subtracting hundreds of thousands from their estimations BECAUSE of the release of the NPD numbers.There's a reason every single credible source uses NPD.Bill_McBlumpkin

it's like taking financial advice from Greenspan or some random blogger.

Ontain

Exactly.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Dinky360"]

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

Magical_Zebra

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

If you honestly think SONY will be able to do a price cut, while the PS3 is already NOT selling, and think that Wii and 360 wont do the same??? :lol:

Man I tell you, some people on this board.... :lol:

And who cares about X360 or Wii. We dont want to buy them,if we wanted we could have them already.

Im talking about PS3.I want to buy a PS3,didnt i make it clear for u?

I WANT A PS3 NOT X360!!! EVEN IF x360 costs 150dollar.NO NEED..ok now did u get me? :P

Sorry for flaming but,u started it..:P

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Yes - as I said before, official numbers shipped released by Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have backed up NPD's estimation models time and time again (and when you get into 20 - 120 million shipped a percentage error of say 10% would make an enormous difference,) whereas VGcharts/NexGenWars are constantly adding or subtracting hundreds of thousands from their estimations BECAUSE of the release of the NPD numbers.There's a reason every single credible source uses NPD.Vandalvideo

Yes, weeks ago the 360's numbers sold were well over 10 million on VGcharts. NPD numbers came out andsuddenly they're below 10 million once again.

NPD sends a letter to VGCharts and said letter is published on the VGCharts site pointing out the fact that VGCharts pre-NPD number estimates are grossly innacurate. If VGCharts were just as accurate as the NPD numbers, why in the world would they change their numbers based on NPD releases?

There were about 50 different threads here about it.

Understand?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Yes - as I said before, official numbers shipped released by Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have backed up NPD's estimation models time and time again (and when you get into 20 - 120 million shipped a percentage error of say 10% would make an enormous difference,) whereas VGcharts/NexGenWars are constantly adding or subtracting hundreds of thousands from their estimations BECAUSE of the release of the NPD numbers.There's a reason every single credible source uses NPD.Bill_McBlumpkin

Yes, weeks ago the 360's numbers sold were well over 10 million on VGcharts. NPD numbers came out andsuddenly they're below 10 million once again.

NPD sends a letter to VGCharts and said letter is published on the VGCharts site pointing out the fact that VGCharts pre-NPD number estimates are grossly innacurate. If VGCharts were just as accurate as the NPD numbers, why in the world would they change their numbers based on NPD releases?

There were about 50 different threads here about it.

Understand?

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Yes - as I said before, official numbers shipped released by Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have backed up NPD's estimation models time and time again (and when you get into 20 - 120 million shipped a percentage error of say 10% would make an enormous difference,) whereas VGcharts/NexGenWars are constantly adding or subtracting hundreds of thousands from their estimations BECAUSE of the release of the NPD numbers.There's a reason every single credible source uses NPD.Vandalvideo

Yes, weeks ago the 360's numbers sold were well over 10 million on VGcharts. NPD numbers came out andsuddenly they're below 10 million once again.

NPD sends a letter to VGCharts and said letter is published on the VGCharts site pointing out the fact that VGCharts pre-NPD number estimates are grossly innacurate. If VGCharts were just as accurate as the NPD numbers, why in the world would they change their numbers based on NPD releases?

There were about 50 different threads here about it.

Understand?

Sometimes man, you're not all that quick. VGCharts will tell you THEY BASE THEIR NUMBERS ON NPD RELEASES, that s why they change every month the day after NPD numbers are released, they then go back and change their monthly estimation on their site to match the NPD numbers. VGCharts has no inside track to retailers, NPD does.

NPD bases their numbers on reports from retailers. VGCharts base their NA numbers on NPD.

Understand? Honestly, it's not that tough.

Sometimes man, you're not all that quick. VGCharts will tell you THEY BASE THEIR NUMBERS ON NPD RELEASES, that s why they change every month the day after NPD numbers are released. VGCharts has no inside track to retailers, NPD does.NPD bases their numbers on reports from retailers. VGCharts base their NA numbers on NPD.Understand? Honestly, it's not that tough.Bill_McBlumpkin

Sony is hurting bad.

PS3 low sales numbers and harder to develop for are going to kill it. Why would a dev spend more time deving for a system with a measly 3 million install base, when they can spend less time making a better game on a system with 11 million?

And who cares about X360 or Wii.AzatiS

A hell of ALOT more people than the PS3

We dont want to buy them,if we wanted we could have them already.AzatiS

Who is "we"? You and the rest of the cows or you and Sony?

Im talking about PS3.I want to buy a PS3,didnt i make it clear for u?AzatiS

Then go buy it. O wait....your "waiting" for those killer apps to come out right? ;)

I WANT A PS3 NOT X360!!! EVEN IF x360 costs 150dollar.NO NEED..ok now did u get me? :PAzatiS

Lol...ok man I guess I do get you. You want a PS3. So go buy one. :shock:

Sorry for flaming but,u started it..:PAzatiS

You flamed me? That was the most comical flaming I have seen. ;)

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Everyone thinks the PS3 is dying because 360 has a year jump on it and because Wii is $250 and selling fast. If all consoles came out at the same time and were close in price this time then PS3's sales wouldn't seem so lackluster. Its hard for a $600 machine to compete against a $250 machine as far asthe consumer goes.Magical_Zebra

That is the damage control response I was looking for!!

Boo hoo. Woulda shoulda coulda. The Wii released the same time as the PS3, its selling at insane numbers and fastly approaching the 360. So whats your excuse now? "bu bu bu teh devs havent figured out teh cell!!" :shock:

When the Wii does a price cut it will do even further damage to Sony over in Japan.

Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3, GTA4 with EXCLUSIVE CONTENT Will CRUSH Sony once again this holiday season.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Dinky360"]

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

Magical_Zebra

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

If you honestly think SONY will be able to do a price cut, while the PS3 is already NOT selling, and think that Wii and 360 wont do the same??? :lol:

Man I tell you, some people on this board.... :lol:

Besides a price cut didn't win it for the xbox lastgen.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Sometimes man, you're not all that quick. VGCharts will tell you THEY BASE THEIR NUMBERS ON NPD RELEASES, that s why they change every month the day after NPD numbers are released. VGCharts has no inside track to retailers, NPD does.NPD bases their numbers on reports from retailers. VGCharts base their NA numbers on NPD.Understand? Honestly, it's not that tough.Vandalvideo

Really? Yes, absolutely.

They say direct from retailers because THEY LIFT THE NPD AND MEDIA CREATE NUMBERS that are direct from retailers. Their estimations are based on those numbers.

Here champ:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=3055

Hey, the home page seems to have it back below 10 million when I view it now (it's at 9.99m). Is that due to the lower-than-expected NPD, or is there just a calculation quirk of some sort going on?

It's the NPD thing, so next week people will be able to celebrate XBox 360 reaching 10M again!

The NPD values are accepted as the most accurate estimates, so when VGChartz updates after the NPD numbers come out, it works the NPD values into its numbers.

Go ask the owner himself, he'll even tell you that he uses NPD's numbers. Back to work for me, I actually have things to do. Later.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]And who cares about X360 or Wii.Magical_Zebra

A hell of ALOT more people than the PS3

We dont want to buy them,if we wanted we could have them already.AzatiS

Who is "we"? You and the rest of the cows or you and Sony?

Im talking about PS3.I want to buy a PS3,didnt i make it clear for u?AzatiS

Then go buy it. O wait....your "waiting" for those killer apps to come out right? ;)

I WANT A PS3 NOT X360!!! EVEN IF x360 costs 150dollar.NO NEED..ok now did u get me? :PAzatiS

Lol...ok man I guess I do get you. You want a PS3. So go buy one. :shock:

Sorry for flaming but,u started it..:PAzatiS

You flamed me? That was the most comical flaming I have seen. ;)

First of all im glad u didnt offent.

Second,WE are more than 15 ppl,friends and relatives, that we waiting for a drop price yes to have the best console.Sorry im not that rich and im not depended by my parents anymore to go "mama,i want ps3"!

Sorry i live in a country that average monthly payment is 600$/euros and ps3 is kinda expensive to buy it right now.

LOT more than ps3 care about what? U are first on sales right?So why u bother if i bother with x360?And yeah who cares about x360 and wii.I dont.My friends dont.Many others i know dont.SO all ppl that dont care about other consoles and want to buy a ps3 are cows?So ure a x360 cow too ha?Nice of u

Well whats your point then,to go and buy a x360? And then i cant play FF13-killzone-heavenly-mgs4 and so on to play with x360 or Wii? Nah thnx. God gave me patience and i dont give a dman about HALO or whatever.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Sometimes man, you're not all that quick. VGCharts will tell you THEY BASE THEIR NUMBERS ON NPD RELEASES, that s why they change every month the day after NPD numbers are released. VGCharts has no inside track to retailers, NPD does.NPD bases their numbers on reports from retailers. VGCharts base their NA numbers on NPD.Understand? Honestly, it's not that tough.Bill_McBlumpkin

Really? Yes, absolutely.

They say direct from retailers because THEY LIFT THE NPD AND MEDIA CRATENUMBERS that are direct from retailers.

Here champ:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=3055

Hey, the home page seems to have it back below 10 million when I view it now (it's at 9.99m). Is that due to the lower-than-expected NPD, or is there just a calculation quirk of some sort going on?

It's the NPD thing, so next week people will be able to celebrate XBox 360 reaching 10M again!

The NPD values are accepted as the most accurate estimates, so when VGChartz updates after the NPD numbers come out, it works the NPD values into its numbers.

Go ask the owner himself, he'll even tell you that he uses NPD's numbers. Back to work for me, I actually have things to do. Later.

Ownage approved.

Here champ:Hey, the home page seems to have it back below 10 million when I view it now (it's at 9.99m). Is that due to the lower-than-expected NPD, or is there just a calculation quirk of some sort going on?It's the NPD thing, so next week people will be able to celebrate XBox 360 reaching 10M again!The NPD values are accepted as the most accurate estimates, so when VGChartz updates after the NPD numbers come out, it works the NPD values into its numbers.Go ask the owner himself, he'll even tell you that he uses NPD's numbers. Back to work for me, I actually have things to do. Later.Bill_McBlumpkin

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Sometimes man, you're not all that quick. VGCharts will tell you THEY BASE THEIR NUMBERS ON NPD RELEASES, that s why they change every month the day after NPD numbers are released. VGCharts has no inside track to retailers, NPD does.NPD bases their numbers on reports from retailers. VGCharts base their NA numbers on NPD.Understand? Honestly, it's not that tough.Stonin

Really? Yes, absolutely.

They say direct from retailers because THEY LIFT THE NPD AND MEDIA CRATENUMBERS that are direct from retailers.

Here champ:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=3055

Hey, the home page seems to have it back below 10 million when I view it now (it's at 9.99m). Is that due to the lower-than-expected NPD, or is there just a calculation quirk of some sort going on?

It's the NPD thing, so next week people will be able to celebrate XBox 360 reaching 10M again!

The NPD values are accepted as the most accurate estimates, so when VGChartz updates after the NPD numbers come out, it works the NPD values into its numbers.

Go ask the owner himself, he'll even tell you that he uses NPD's numbers. Back to work for me, I actually have things to do. Later.

Ownage approved.

And certified.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Here champ:Hey, the home page seems to have it back below 10 million when I view it now (it's at 9.99m). Is that due to the lower-than-expected NPD, or is there just a calculation quirk of some sort going on?It's the NPD thing, so next week people will be able to celebrate XBox 360 reaching 10M again!The NPD values are accepted as the most accurate estimates, so when VGChartz updates after the NPD numbers come out, it works the NPD values into its numbers.Go ask the owner himself, he'll even tell you that he uses NPD's numbers. Back to work for me, I actually have things to do. Later.Vandalvideo

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=3407

ioi OWNS the site, he changed them after the NPD numbers were released, based on the NPD's numbers he knew he had overtracked, his estimations were not as reliable, so he changed them to mirror NPD.

Understand?

And certified.mikasa

[QUOTE="mikasa"]And certified.Vandalvideo

Since they are the ones that "own" the site.

Are you going for your second taste of ownage?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Here champ:Hey, the home page seems to have it back below 10 million when I view it now (it's at 9.99m). Is that due to the lower-than-expected NPD, or is there just a calculation quirk of some sort going on?It's the NPD thing, so next week people will be able to celebrate XBox 360 reaching 10M again!The NPD values are accepted as the most accurate estimates, so when VGChartz updates after the NPD numbers come out, it works the NPD values into its numbers.Go ask the owner himself, he'll even tell you that he uses NPD's numbers. Back to work for me, I actually have things to do. Later.Bill_McBlumpkin

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=3407

ioi OWNS the site, he changed them after the NPD numbers were released, based on the NPD's numbers he knew he had overtracked, his estimations were not as reliable, so he changed them to mirror NPD.

Understand?