These are the NUMBERS. They don't LIE!!! And yes PS3 is TANKING HARD!!! Link

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]And certified.mikasa

Since they are the ones that "own" the site.

Are you going for your second taste of ownage?

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Dinky360"]

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

mikasa

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

If you honestly think SONY will be able to do a price cut, while the PS3 is already NOT selling, and think that Wii and 360 wont do the same??? :lol:

Man I tell you, some people on this board.... :lol:

Besides a price cut didn't win it for the xbox lastgen.

You're not helping your case you know. By your own admittance a price cut didn't help arguably the most powerful system last gen...the XBOX, which mind you,NEVER was priced under the PS2's price range. Now flip that to this gen with arguably the most powerful system this gen the PS3, which will probably NEVER be priced under the 360.I'm not calling a winner this gen yet, but I just wanted to show you the flaw in your logic.That is all.....end of line.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.gamespot813

So what can we trust? I trust the NPD data still, because they do estimate Wal-Mart's numbers as well.

I thought that they didn't cover Walmart. Any ways NPD only gathers numbers from about 60% of the market and estimate the other 40%.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]Here champ:Hey, the home page seems to have it back below 10 million when I view it now (it's at 9.99m). Is that due to the lower-than-expected NPD, or is there just a calculation quirk of some sort going on?It's the NPD thing, so next week people will be able to celebrate XBox 360 reaching 10M again!The NPD values are accepted as the most accurate estimates, so when VGChartz updates after the NPD numbers come out, it works the NPD values into its numbers.Go ask the owner himself, he'll even tell you that he uses NPD's numbers. Back to work for me, I actually have things to do. Later.Vandalvideo

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=3407

ioi OWNS the site, he changed them after the NPD numbers were released, based on the NPD's numbers he knew he had overtracked, his estimations were not as reliable, so he changed them to mirror NPD.

Understand?

Bill:

It's a waste of time. He's been owned, but will never admit it...even if vgachartz owner called him and told him. he's parse the words or some other silly thing.

His ownage has already been approved and certfied. Anymore ownage on the same issue doesn't really get you much more. If he choosed not to read for understanding, he won't understand what you tell him.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Dinky360"]

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

sinseers

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

If you honestly think SONY will be able to do a price cut, while the PS3 is already NOT selling, and think that Wii and 360 wont do the same??? :lol:

Man I tell you, some people on this board.... :lol:

Besides a price cut didn't win it for the xbox lastgen.

You're not helping your case you know. By your own admittance a price cut didn't help arguably the most powerful system last gen...the XBOX, which mind you,NEVER was priced under the PS2's price range. Now flip that to this gen with arguably the most powerful system this gen the PS3, which will probably NEVER be priced under the 360.I'm not calling a winner this gen yet, but I just wanted to show you the flaw in your logic.That is all.....end of line.

Huh? so you agree with me a price cut won't help the PS3. thanks.

Bill:It's a waste of time. He's been owned, but will never admit it...even if vgachartz owner called him and told him. he's parse the words or some other silly thing.His ownage has already been approved and certfied. Anymore ownage on the same issue doesn't really get you much more. If he choosed not to read for understanding, he won't understand what you tell him.mikasa

Vegeta is dead on with his numbers.

Goku's power level is truly over nine thousand.

NobuoMusicMaker

Selfowned by linking to a site that's ran by an 18 year old Collage dropout who uses Timer program to produce false numbers.miss_kitt3n

I agree it's not a great site (nextgenwars)But that's not the point of vandal's ownage. The site (vgachartz) corrects itself based on the latest published numbers and vandal doesn't believe it (or something). I'm really not sure what he's saying, but I do know he's saying they don't adjust by NPD when their numbers come out.

[QUOTE="miss_kitt3n"]Selfowned by linking to a site that's ran by an 18 year old Collage dropout who uses Timer program to produce false numbers.mikasa

I agree it's not a great site. But that's not the point of vandal's ownage. The site corrects itself based on the latest published numbers and vandal doesn't believe it (or something). I'm really not sure what he's saying, but I do know he's saying they don't adjust by NPD when their numbers come out.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]Bill:It's a waste of time. He's been owned, but will never admit it...even if vgachartz owner called him and told him. he's parse the words or some other silly thing.His ownage has already been approved and certfied. Anymore ownage on the same issue doesn't really get you much more. If he choosed not to read for understanding, he won't understand what you tell him.Vandalvideo

Her realized he overtracked BECAUSE of the NPD numbers release. Once the numbers were released, he changed his numbers. HOLY COINCIDENCE BATMAN!

Honestly, any other sensible person can see you're wrong as is clear by what others are saying in the thread.

ANyway, I really have to get back to work....

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Bill:It's a waste of time. He's been owned, but will never admit it...even if vgachartz owner called him and told him. he's parse the words or some other silly thing.His ownage has already been approved and certfied. Anymore ownage on the same issue doesn't really get you much more. If he choosed not to read for understanding, he won't understand what you tell him.Bill_McBlumpkin

Her realized he overtracked BECAUSE of the NPD numbers release. Once the numbers were released, he changed his numbers.

Honestly, any other sensible person can see you're wrong as is clear by what others are saying in the thread.

ANyway, I really have to get back to work....

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="miss_kitt3n"]Selfowned by linking to a site that's ran by an 18 year old Collage dropout who uses Timer program to produce false numbers.Vandalvideo

I agree it's not a great site. But that's not the point of vandal's ownage. The site corrects itself based on the latest published numbers and vandal doesn't believe it (or something). I'm really not sure what he's saying, but I do know he's saying they don't adjust by NPD when their numbers come out.

It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.

It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.mikasa

what does the "exactness" of the data matter, the trend is obvious Wii and 360 are doing well (wii selling at a higher rate than the 360) and the ps3 is obviously not selling at its intended rate and is in fact being "left in the dust" by the competition

forget the exact numbers and just be aware of whats doing well and whats not

[QUOTE="mikasa"]It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.Vandalvideo

Ok, so what is your theory as to why he adjusted them at the same time frame that NPD came out?

What makes me laugh is that the PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 in both hardware and software. What do you Xbots think is going to happen when those130,000,000 PS2 owners that haven't yet, adopt next gen? That's right, they're likely going to get a PS3. Who wants to learn a new controller configuration AND dismiss their favorite game franchises in order to buy a slightly cheaper (and more than slightly cheaper made) console? You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.bforrester

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.mikasa

Ok, so what is your theory as to why he adjusted them at the same time frame that NPD came out?

[QUOTE="mikasa"]It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.Vandalvideo

Really vandal it is very obvious what is meant, you chosing to be obtuse over the matter wont change that.

Well, lets see. The evidence is "because of overtracking". Maybe it was a miscalculation in their estimation models. Thats just as valid of a scenario.Vandalvideo

They just... saw the problem one day?

Really vandal it is very obvious what is meant, you chosing to be obtuse over the matter wont change that. cakeorrdeath

He's just being stubborn. As always.

What makes me laugh is that the PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 in both hardware and software. What do you Xbots think is going to happen when those130,000,000 PS2 owners that haven't yet, adopt next gen? That's right, they're likely going to get a PS3. Who wants to learn a new controller configuration AND dismiss their favorite game franchises in order to buy a slightly cheaper (and more than slightly cheaper made) console. You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.bforrester

Trust me your no rocket scientist either. A majority of people bought the PS2 when it was below $200. Just because a person bought a PS2 does not gurantee they will buy a PS3. (even with a $100 price drop, it is still $500) They may buy a Wii, 360, or not upgrade. They also may buy a PS3. There is no doubt that there are a lot of gamers out there who haven't made the leap to next gen, but to suggest that if you bought a PS2 you will be a PS3 is silly. It doesn't matter that you try and dress it up by calling it a market trend. This just goes to show how little you know concerning consumer decsion models.

PS3 sucks anyways...i dont know who would buy that console...o wait i know...RETARDED BRAINWASHED COWS! Banned2x

You may as well get yourself a 'Banned3x' account ready...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Well, lets see. The evidence is "because of overtracking". Maybe it was a miscalculation in their estimation models. Thats just as valid of a scenario.Jandurin

They just... saw the problem one day?

Really vandal it is very obvious what is meant, you chosing to be obtuse over the matter wont change that. cakeorrdeath

He's just being stubborn. As always.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.cakeorrdeath

Really vandal it is very obvious what is meant, you chosing to be obtuse over the matter wont change that.

Yeah, exactly.

I really have no idea why I'm arguing about this either, I couldn've even care less about sales numbers.... it seems so obvious, it just blows my mind that insists on debating such an absurd point.

I'm now forcing myself to get back to work. If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...

[QUOTE="bforrester"]What makes me laugh is that the PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 in both hardware and software. What do you Xbots think is going to happen when those130,000,000 PS2 owners that haven't yet, adopt next gen? That's right, they're likely going to get a PS3. Who wants to learn a new controller configuration AND dismiss their favorite game franchises in order to buy a slightly cheaper (and more than slightly cheaper made) console. You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.dhjohns

Trust me your no rocket scientist either. A majority of people bought the PS2 when it was below $200. Just because a person bought a PS2 does not gurantee they will buy a PS3. (even with a $100 price drop, it is still $500) They may buy a Wii, 360, or not upgrade. They also may buy a PS3. There is no doubt that there are a lot of gamers out there who haven't made the leap to next gen, but to suggest that if you bought a PS2 you will be a PS3 is silly. It doesn't matter that you try and dress it up by calling it a market trend. This just goes to show how little you know concerning consumer decsion models.

You're right (you should learn how to use a contraction...they're nifty components of the English language), I'm not a rocket scientist. I AM, however, an electrical engineer (Purdue U. Grad, class of 2001). So, let me understand what you're saying....65,000,000+ people bought the PS2 after it had been reduced to below $200? That IS, btw, the MAJORITY of 130,000,000. So you're telling me that I'm wrong? Have you ever heard of 'Band Loyalty'? I take it you've never taken a marketing class in your life. I'm also (and likely correctly) assuming you haven't even graduated HS yet. And YOU'RE going to tell ME about market trend analysis! That's rich!!!

LOL at bforrester and his Purdue. Good school, btw. Congrats.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. Especially when that brand doubles in price.

If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...Bill_McBlumpkin

I know, right? :oops:

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Bill:It's a waste of time. He's been owned, but will never admit it...even if vgachartz owner called him and told him. he's parse the words or some other silly thing.His ownage has already been approved and certfied. Anymore ownage on the same issue doesn't really get you much more. If he choosed not to read for understanding, he won't understand what you tell him.Vandalvideo

Her realized he overtracked BECAUSE of the NPD numbers release. Once the numbers were released, he changed his numbers.

Honestly, any other sensible person can see you're wrong as is clear by what others are saying in the thread.

ANyway, I really have to get back to work....

Yes Common Sense is a convenience that most of us enjoy. I wish you were able to enjoy it with us.

For example you scenario makes no sense. Why was their model off? Why couldn't they predict it was off before hand if they are relying soley on their own data? And the biggie, how did they determine their model was off?(Hint: NPD)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.cakeorrdeath

Really vandal it is very obvious what is meant, you chosing to be obtuse over the matter wont change that.

Tripple ownage in this thread!

Mo0ks x1
VandalVideo x2

Who's next?

Wrong, NPD is extremely accurate. Take a statistics class, they are plenty good enough to estimate the sales to within a few percent.ZinkOxide

its not extremely acurate at all nobody takes accout for online sales

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="bforrester"]What makes me laugh is that the PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 in both hardware and software. What do you Xbots think is going to happen when those130,000,000 PS2 owners that haven't yet, adopt next gen? That's right, they're likely going to get a PS3. Who wants to learn a new controller configuration AND dismiss their favorite game franchises in order to buy a slightly cheaper (and more than slightly cheaper made) console. You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.bforrester

Trust me your no rocket scientist either. A majority of people bought the PS2 when it was below $200. Just because a person bought a PS2 does not gurantee they will buy a PS3. (even with a $100 price drop, it is still $500) They may buy a Wii, 360, or not upgrade. They also may buy a PS3. There is no doubt that there are a lot of gamers out there who haven't made the leap to next gen, but to suggest that if you bought a PS2 you will be a PS3 is silly. It doesn't matter that you try and dress it up by calling it a market trend. This just goes to show how little you know concerning consumer decsion models.

You're right (you should learn how to use a contraction...they're nifty components of the English language), I'm not a rocket scientist. I AM, however, an electrical engineer (Purdue U. Grad, class of 2001). So, let me understand what you're saying....65,000,000+ people bought the PS2 after it had been reduced to below $200? That IS, btw, the MAJORITY of 130,000,000. So you're telling me that I'm wrong? Have you ever heard of 'Band Loyalty'? I take it you've never taken a marketing class in your life. I'm also (and likely correctly) assuming you haven't even graduated HS yet. And YOU'RE going to tell ME about market trend analysis! That's rich!!!

Congrats. on graduating from Purdue. Now back to the topic, I have heard of brand loyalty and market trends and a whole lot of other buzz words; however, none of that will help you here my misguided friend. PS2 was the King last gen and all casuals (the people that make the majority of the buyers) bought it like crazy. The PS3 may repeat this success, but this is not guranted. The market has changed (i.e. the Gamecube wasn't pushing crazy units like the Wii) and the PS3 is much more expensive. I am just pointing out the obvious flaw in your reasoning. Consumers who pushed the PS2 to such Olympian heights may not be there to do it again. If the 360 drops to $200 and can push similiar titles like the PS3, that should make things rather interesting. Basically, you have made logical leaps in your assumptions that you shouldn't had. BTW, I am unfortunatley older than you (I graduated college a few years before you). It is unfortunate because I should be working instead of correcting people like yourself. But I can't help it. :P

LOL at bforrester and his Purdue. Good school, btw. Congrats.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. Especially when that brand doubles in price.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...Jandurin

I know, right? :oops:

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but market trends are very easy to predict. If even half of those PS2 owners step up to the PS3, you're still looking at 65,000,000 of them in the market. I have a number of buddies that haven't gone next gen yet...they're still enjoying their PS2s. They don't, however, plan to buy an Xbox. They aren't even really waiting for a price drop. Most of them are waiting for Christmas time to get them for their kids so that they can play them too. The 360 is getting very close to maxing out it's target audience. North American is the only area where the original Xbox had strong sales. You're going to see the sales numbers for the 360 quickly peter out in the next year while the PS3 begins to surge. I'm not trying to piss in your Xbots cereal, but in a year's time you guys will be getting a big "I told you so...".

And whoever said the PS2 owners will buy a Wii instead of a 3 are silly. The controller between the two consoles is nowhere near the same. PS2 owners that have not adopted next gen will buy the PS3 in large percentages. Mark my words.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

LOL at bforrester and his Purdue. Good school, btw. Congrats.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. Especially when that brand doubles in price.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...bforrester

I know, right? :oops:

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but market trends are very easy to predict. If even half of those PS2 owners step up to the PS3, you're still looking at 65,000,000 of them in the market. I have a number of buddies that haven't gone next gen yet...they're still enjoying their PS2s. They don't, however, plan to buy an Xbox. They aren't even really waiting for a price drop. Most of them are waiting for Christmas time to get them for their kids so that they can play them too. The 360 is getting very close to maxing out it's target audience. North American is the only area where the original Xbox had strong sales. You're going to see the sales numbers for the 360 quickly peter out in the next year while the PS3 begins to surge. I'm not trying to piss in your Xbots cereal, but in a year's time you guys will be getting a big "I told you so...".

And whoever said the PS2 owners will buy a Wii instead of a 3 are silly. The controller between the two consoles is nowhere near the same. PS2 owners that have not adopted next gen will buy the PS3 in large percentages. Mark my words.

half of them won't buy a PS3. brand loyalty is good and all, but what's missing is the fact that many of them are no longer in Sony's target audience of needing an expensive super computer/bluray player. Sony did this to themselves and that's why you see so many going to the wii.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

LOL at bforrester and his Purdue. Good school, btw. Congrats.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. Especially when that brand doubles in price.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...bforrester

I know, right? :oops:

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but market trends are very easy to predict. If even half of those PS2 owners step up to the PS3, you're still looking at 65,000,000 of them in the market. I have a number of buddies that haven't gone next gen yet...they're still enjoying their PS2s. They don't, however, plan to buy an Xbox. They aren't even really waiting for a price drop. Most of them are waiting for Christmas time to get them for their kids so that they can play them too. The 360 is getting very close to maxing out it's target audience. North American is the only area where the original Xbox had strong sales. You're going to see the sales numbers for the 360 quickly peter out in the next year while the PS3 begins to surge. I'm not trying to piss in your Xbots cereal, but in a year's time you guys will be getting a big "I told you so...".

And whoever said the PS2 owners will buy a Wii instead of a 3 are silly. The controller between the two consoles is nowhere near the same. PS2 owners that have not adopted next gen will buy the PS3 in large percentages. Mark my words.

Contradiciton FTW! If market trends are so easy to predict there professor, why do companies get paid millions to predict the market? I guess they should save their money and just ask you. See the problem is you have dumbed this down incredibly. You have taken out all of the variables and just stated look a lot of people bought the PS2 ergo a lot of people will buy the PS3. Wrong!! If your logic is sound, ATARI never would of gotten out of the video console business. BTW, this is not about defending a brand as you are making it out to be, it is about common sense and logic. :D

[QUOTE="ZinkOxide"]Wrong, NPD is extremely accurate. Take a statistics class, they are plenty good enough to estimate the sales to within a few percent.shadow_hosi

its not extremely acurate at all nobody takes accout for online sales

it's accurate, but I wouldn't call it extremely accurate either. It's a sample that missing huge parts of the overall game buying population (like walmart and online). It's accurate in that any sample can be accurate; however, I don't know what they claim their confidence level is or how many standard deviations from the norm they are esitmating with their sample size. In other words, they are in the ballpark.

Did 360 sell (to end users)10million? or 9.8 million? no one really knows. But we do know they are around that area.

Brand Loyalty isn't all that...but perceived brand quality is..Microsoft has capitalized on its notoriety as the worlds foremost software company and parlayed that into a succesful consumer electronics endeavor, even if 50% of xboxs fail (very very unlikely), that is nothing compared to the near billion windows based pcs that still promote the MS name. Sony needs to release quality consumer electronics because that is the heart, soul, eyes and mind of their operation. These recent gens represent the greatest console matchup of all time: The world's foremost software company, the worlds leading consumer electronics manufacturer, and the godfather of modern console gaming.

If their consoles ultimately tank: Xbox could barely dent MS, PS could punch Sony, Wii could anihilate Nintendo

[QUOTE="bforrester"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

LOL at bforrester and his Purdue. Good school, btw. Congrats.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. Especially when that brand doubles in price.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...dhjohns

I know, right? :oops:

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but market trends are very easy to predict. If even half of those PS2 owners step up to the PS3, you're still looking at 65,000,000 of them in the market. I have a number of buddies that haven't gone next gen yet...they're still enjoying their PS2s. They don't, however, plan to buy an Xbox. They aren't even really waiting for a price drop. Most of them are waiting for Christmas time to get them for their kids so that they can play them too. The 360 is getting very close to maxing out it's target audience. North American is the only area where the original Xbox had strong sales. You're going to see the sales numbers for the 360 quickly peter out in the next year while the PS3 begins to surge. I'm not trying to piss in your Xbots cereal, but in a year's time you guys will be getting a big "I told you so...".

And whoever said the PS2 owners will buy a Wii instead of a 3 are silly. The controller between the two consoles is nowhere near the same. PS2 owners that have not adopted next gen will buy the PS3 in large percentages. Mark my words.

Contradiciton FTW! If market trends are so easy to predict there professor, why do companies get paid millions to predict the market? I guess they should save there money and just ask you. See the problem is you have dumbed this down incredibly. You have taken out all of the variables and just stated look a lot of people bought the PS2 ergo a lot of people will buy the PS3. Wrong!! If your logic is sound, ATARI never would of gotten out of the video console business. BTW, this is not about defending a brand as you are making it out to be, it is about common sense and logic. :D

Finding common sense in system wars these days it getting harder and harder.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="bforrester"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

LOL at bforrester and his Purdue. Good school, btw. Congrats.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. Especially when that brand doubles in price.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...mikasa

I know, right? :oops:

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but market trends are very easy to predict. If even half of those PS2 owners step up to the PS3, you're still looking at 65,000,000 of them in the market. I have a number of buddies that haven't gone next gen yet...they're still enjoying their PS2s. They don't, however, plan to buy an Xbox. They aren't even really waiting for a price drop. Most of them are waiting for Christmas time to get them for their kids so that they can play them too. The 360 is getting very close to maxing out it's target audience. North American is the only area where the original Xbox had strong sales. You're going to see the sales numbers for the 360 quickly peter out in the next year while the PS3 begins to surge. I'm not trying to piss in your Xbots cereal, but in a year's time you guys will be getting a big "I told you so...".

And whoever said the PS2 owners will buy a Wii instead of a 3 are silly. The controller between the two consoles is nowhere near the same. PS2 owners that have not adopted next gen will buy the PS3 in large percentages. Mark my words.

Contradiciton FTW! If market trends are so easy to predict there professor, why do companies get paid millions to predict the market? I guess they should save there money and just ask you. See the problem is you have dumbed this down incredibly. You have taken out all of the variables and just stated look a lot of people bought the PS2 ergo a lot of people will buy the PS3. Wrong!! If your logic is sound, ATARI never would of gotten out of the video console business. BTW, this is not about defending a brand as you are making it out to be, it is about common sense and logic. :D

Finding common sense in system wars these days it getting harder and harder.

I agree. I just find out hillarious when people state "I am not a know it all, but let me tell you why I know it all." :lol: There has been a lot of change from last gen to this gen. The 360 is better situated than the Xbox was. The success of the Wii is never ending. The PS3 is really expensive. All of these variables will lead to new trends. Apparently bforrester is uncomfortable with change.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.Vandalvideo

So what can we trust? I trust the NPD data still, because they do estimate Wal-Mart's numbers as well.

Its ruled out becuase it does 5 second estimations which is just a script updating the numbers by a certain ammount every 5 seconds or so, meaning it could, and probably isway off. Thats why NDP numbers are more trusted becuase theirs are monthly estimations that probably don't use pre calculated scripts

Its ruled out becuase it does 5 second estimations which is just a script updating the numbers by a certain ammount every 5 seconds or so, meaning it could, and probably isway off. Thats why NDP numbers are more trusted becuase theirs are monthly estimations that probably don't use pre calculated scriptsctmab

[QUOTE="ctmab"]Its ruled out becuase it does 5 second estimations which is just a script updating the numbers by a certain ammount every 5 seconds or so, meaning it could, and probably isway off. Thats why NDP numbers are more trusted becuase theirs are monthly estimations that probably don't use pre calculated scriptsVandalvideo

I think you're asking for triple ownage in one thread! I'll leave it up to someone else to dish it out though. I too have wasted way too much time on this site this week.