These are the NUMBERS. They don't LIE!!! And yes PS3 is TANKING HARD!!! Link

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Dinky360"]

No one will care when Sony can offer the PS3 at a good cost in a few years,

because by then the 360 game library will be so HUGE and GREAT that no one will care about PS3.

sinseers

You have no idea how many ppl waiting for a drop price to buy it.(include me and all my relatives and friends,around 15ppl).Imagine how many others are waiting in this world.

And maybe u didnt see what kind of games coming. Play your Halo or whatever and let me with MGS4.

Let me have full HD and blue ray , play psone and ps2 games,dvds and bluerays,and have the most powerful console in the market that to force it to its 100% of its power wil ltake 2 -3 years.And games will still progress and progress rather than 360 that i beleive in a year will be at its 100%.

If you honestly think SONY will be able to do a price cut, while the PS3 is already NOT selling, and think that Wii and 360 wont do the same??? :lol:

Man I tell you, some people on this board.... :lol:

Besides a price cut didn't win it for the xbox lastgen.

You're not helping your case you know. By your own admittance a price cut didn't help arguably the most powerful system last gen...the XBOX, which mind you,NEVER was priced under the PS2's price range. Now flip that to this gen with arguably the most powerful system this gen the PS3, which will probably NEVER be priced under the 360.I'm not calling a winner this gen yet, but I just wanted to show you the flaw in your logic.That is all.....end of line.

What?! Reading Comprehension is a must. Good Job just owning yourself. If a Price cut didnt help the most powerfull console last gen, what makes you think a "price cut" is going to help the "supposedly" most powerfull console (PS3) this gen? :shock:

My god you fanboys are amazing.......

Tell you what you PS3 owners should do, go out and buy a bulldoser and run that piece of garbage over. I have never liked Sony products ever. Yeah they are good, but this Next Gen system shows us how much money they can waste on product marketing and how many dollars they spent on making the darn thing. Now take Nintendo, they spend alittle less money on that sort of thing and they make tons of money, look I hate to tell you Sony Lovers this, but Nintendo is Back and get used to it, cause the PS3 is a skinny dude, with the Wii a Fat dude sitting on it, and sucking it life out of it, PS3 is never gonna catch up, cause Nintendo will lower the price too $150 and still make a profit. End of Line for PS3 is a trash conpactor :DLordLanz

Damn! So brutally.......true. :lol:

What makes me laugh is that the PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 in both hardware and software. What do you Xbots think is going to happen when those130,000,000 PS2 owners that haven't yet, adopt next gen?bforrester

If you honestly think 130 million people are just gonna one day stop playing PS2 and go buy a PS3 then you my friend need to be with the people who made "teh cell".

That's right, they're likely going to get a PS3. Who wants to learn a new controller configuration AND dismiss their favorite game franchises in order to buy a slightly cheaper (and more than slightly cheaper made) console?bforrester

Jesus man. You make it seem like your fellow cows are Neanderthals and cant grasp the "concept" of pushing the "A" or "B" button versus the "Square" or "Triangle". :shock:

You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.bforrester

Zebra,

Thanks for pointing out a few of the many logical flaws bforrester had in his statements. It is sad that he is not here to respond, but alas, I believe I shut him down and he want back to brand loyalty and market trend land. I wish he would send me a map. :D

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="bforrester"]What makes me laugh is that the PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 in both hardware and software. What do you Xbots think is going to happen when those130,000,000 PS2 owners that haven't yet, adopt next gen? That's right, they're likely going to get a PS3. Who wants to learn a new controller configuration AND dismiss their favorite game franchises in order to buy a slightly cheaper (and more than slightly cheaper made) console. You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.bforrester

Trust me your no rocket scientist either. A majority of people bought the PS2 when it was below $200. Just because a person bought a PS2 does not gurantee they will buy a PS3. (even with a $100 price drop, it is still $500) They may buy a Wii, 360, or not upgrade. They also may buy a PS3. There is no doubt that there are a lot of gamers out there who haven't made the leap to next gen, but to suggest that if you bought a PS2 you will be a PS3 is silly. It doesn't matter that you try and dress it up by calling it a market trend. This just goes to show how little you know concerning consumer decsion models.

You're right (you should learn how to use a contraction...they're nifty components of the English language), I'm not a rocket scientist. I AM, however, an electrical engineer (Purdue U. Grad, class of 2001). So, let me understand what you're saying....65,000,000+ people bought the PS2 after it had been reduced to below $200? That IS, btw, the MAJORITY of 130,000,000. So you're telling me that I'm wrong? Have you ever heard of 'Band Loyalty'? I take it you've never taken a marketing class in your life. I'm also (and likely correctly) assuming you haven't even graduated HS yet. And YOU'RE going to tell ME about market trend analysis! That's rich!!!

Sorry "Mr Universe". You are correct, you are no rocket scientist. And since you wanna throw credentials out there. I graduated from "Howard University" class of 97 with a B.A. in Politcal Science. Im no electrical engineer but I make 80k a year. I have and still play my PS2, I refuse to purchase a PS3. Your logic and especially "Brand Loyalty" fails becasu its no ******* way Im paying $600 for a console, just to play PS1 and PS2 games... :shock:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cx3zVUdBxB0

Nexgenwars..... :lol:

[QUOTE="bforrester"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

LOL at bforrester and his Purdue. Good school, btw. Congrats.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. Especially when that brand doubles in price.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]If I got fired because of System Wars.... Jesus...dhjohns

I know, right? :oops:

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but market trends are very easy to predict. If even half of those PS2 owners step up to the PS3, you're still looking at 65,000,000 of them in the market. I have a number of buddies that haven't gone next gen yet...they're still enjoying their PS2s. They don't, however, plan to buy an Xbox. They aren't even really waiting for a price drop. Most of them are waiting for Christmas time to get them for their kids so that they can play them too. The 360 is getting very close to maxing out it's target audience. North American is the only area where the original Xbox had strong sales. You're going to see the sales numbers for the 360 quickly peter out in the next year while the PS3 begins to surge. I'm not trying to piss in your Xbots cereal, but in a year's time you guys will be getting a big "I told you so...".

And whoever said the PS2 owners will buy a Wii instead of a 3 are silly. The controller between the two consoles is nowhere near the same. PS2 owners that have not adopted next gen will buy the PS3 in large percentages. Mark my words.

Contradiciton FTW! If market trends are so easy to predict there professor, why do companies get paid millions to predict the market? I guess they should save their money and just ask you. See the problem is you have dumbed this down incredibly. You have taken out all of the variables and just stated look a lot of people bought the PS2 ergo a lot of people will buy the PS3. Wrong!! If your logic is sound, ATARI never would of gotten out of the video console business. BTW, this is not about defending a brand as you are making it out to be, it is about common sense and logic. :D

Bforrester do yourself a favor. Quit while your behind. Cows have been getting owned pretty hard today and you are setting yourself up just for that. First Mo0ks now its gonna be you... :shock:

Nextgenwars IS NOT accurate, they had to drop the 360 numbers by hundreds of thousands before, you can't use a sales ticker and expect to get accurate results, it doesn't happen.

Besides vgcharts (now vgchartz) is the official sales site on SW as voted upon by the user base...it wasn't even close.

You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.bforrester

I AM, however, an electrical engineer (Purdue U. Grad, ****of 2001).bforrester

You messed up there. I joined the Police Dept. straight out of college in 1997. That puts me 4 years patrolling the streets just as your graduating from College. I also graduated from college just as you were entering. Also, this info is in my profile. Who's the teen? :shock:

Actually, no console sales reporting organization (including the NPD) 100% portrays the trend of sales as it excludes Walmart and Online distribution, and all of them use estimation models. The numbers may not lie, but the numbers are mostly not accurate.Vandalvideo

so the porportions are pretty acurate

[QUOTE="mikasa"]Bill:It's a waste of time. He's been owned, but will never admit it...even if vgachartz owner called him and told him. he's parse the words or some other silly thing.His ownage has already been approved and certfied. Anymore ownage on the same issue doesn't really get you much more. If he choosed not to read for understanding, he won't understand what you tell him.Vandalvideo

How would he knew he was overtracking unless it came from the NPD numbers? LOL. Use a little logic.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.Vandalvideo

Tell that to Scott Peterson sitting on death row....

What makes me laugh is that the PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 in both hardware and software. What do you Xbots think is going to happen when those130,000,000 PS2 owners that haven't yet, adopt next gen? That's right, they're likely going to get a PS3. Who wants to learn a new controller configuration AND dismiss their favorite game franchises in order to buy a slightly cheaper (and more than slightly cheaper made) console? You guys can't be older than teens as you guys have no concept of market trends.bforrester

HAHAHA! Tell that to nintendo. They were the king of the hill once too... You talk about others not knowing market trends. LOL.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]It did for everyone that reads and can use reason/logic. NPD gets released. Look at website and the numbers roll back to match NPD. Post by the owner of NPD that says he adjusted the numbers. Sometimes you have to use reason to understand this...not everyone is going to spell everything out and spoon feed you.Vandalvideo

Ok, so what is your theory as to why he adjusted them at the same time frame that NPD came out?

How does he KNOW he was overtracking though? Where is he basing that information from? Could it be the NPD numbers? I would bet my life on it.

http://nexgenwars.com/

360 has pick up a bit of steam as of lat and the numbers went over 11 mil.

Wiii is a no brainer selling good.

And PS3 has been struggle just over 3 mil for months.

And the real problem with PS3 is there software numbers they are PATHETIC. I mean in the TOILET PATHETIC. Sony is on very shaky ground and developers could start dropping like flies even more so if some drastic does not happen soon VERY SOON.

And yes nextgenwars is as accurate as it gets. So don't go saying it's not because it is. I've followed it for over a year and they are very much dead on.

Dinky360

http://nexgenwars.com/

360 has pick up a bit of steam as of lat and the numbers went over 11 mil.

Wiii is a no brainer selling good.

And PS3 has been struggle just over 3 mil for months.

And the real problem with PS3 is there software numbers they are PATHETIC. I mean in the TOILET PATHETIC. Sony is on very shaky ground and developers could start dropping like flies even more so if some drastic does not happen soon VERY SOON.

And yes nextgenwars is as accurate as it gets. So don't go saying it's not because it is. I've followed it for over a year and they are very much dead on.

Dinky360

Sony is hurting bad.

PS3 low sales numbers and harder to develop for are going to kill it. Why would a dev spend more time deving for a system with a measly 3 million install base, when they can spend less time making a better game on a system with 11 million?

mikasa

X360 gamers tend to be an absurd amount of games too. Software sales for 360 are beating so many systems with just 11 million people.

I think it has the highest attach rate of any console in history.

It's a dev's dream, currently the best system to develop 3rd party games for, by far.

[QUOTE="Dinky360"]

http://nexgenwars.com/

360 has pick up a bit of steam as of lat and the numbers went over 11 mil.

Wiii is a no brainer selling good.

And PS3 has been struggle just over 3 mil for months.

And the real problem with PS3 is there software numbers they are PATHETIC. I mean in the TOILET PATHETIC. Sony is on very shaky ground and developers could start dropping like flies even more so if some drastic does not happen soon VERY SOON.

And yes nextgenwars is as accurate as it gets. So don't go saying it's not because it is. I've followed it for over a year and they are very much dead on.

spyrosklaou

Huh? The hell are you talking about?

X360 - 20 months - 11 million
PS3 - 8 months - 3 million

i like numbers

gamergeekgeek

Wii - 7 months - 7 millions

i like numbers

[QUOTE="spyrosklaou"][QUOTE="Dinky360"]

http://nexgenwars.com/

360 has pick up a bit of steam as of lat and the numbers went over 11 mil.

Wiii is a no brainer selling good.

And PS3 has been struggle just over 3 mil for months.

And the real problem with PS3 is there software numbers they are PATHETIC. I mean in the TOILET PATHETIC. Sony is on very shaky ground and developers could start dropping like flies even more so if some drastic does not happen soon VERY SOON.

And yes nextgenwars is as accurate as it gets. So don't go saying it's not because it is. I've followed it for over a year and they are very much dead on.

Magical_Zebra

Huh? The hell are you talking about?

---Vandalvideo

Gantz.. I love your siggy.. I dont know if youheard it before when I told you withthe pic of your setup , but Gantz is awesome..

Anyways on to subject, interesting developments.

Isn't nextgenwars numbers fake? its just an java script algorithem.

Isn't nextgenwars numbers fake? its just an java script algorithem.

trasherhead

Indeed they are, faker than Pam Anderson's boobs.