They're all well and good,but exclusives ain't diggin Sony out of last place

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#51 -DrRobotnik-
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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="rorskarch"] last I checked ps3 had more AAAE+ while 360 had more AAE(dont know about AE) so that pretty much evens out too.rorskarch

exclusive-wise yes, but in terms of overall library, 360 >>> PS3

are you talking about PC-360 multiplats then? because those gamese are still multiplat, so they cant contribute to a distinction between which library is better really, because it doesn't only exist on that console.

Not specifically, just all games, multiplat or not. If you just total up the games, the 360 has a lot more. And while i agree that PC/360 games are multiplat, games like Gears of War and Mass Effect can still be used to the 360s advantage when in direct comparison with the PS3. But thats a complete other argument, and irrelevant here tbh.
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#52 carljohnson3456
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Well, as long as Sony keeps pumping out quality games that I enjoy I'm not too worried about what place they are in. If anyone thinks Sony is coming out of third place this gen, they might want to think again.
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#53 treedoor
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Nope, unless Sony is pulls ahead ever then they'll have to start next gen first in order to restart the competition all over.

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#54 Dibdibdobdobo
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Well, as long as Sony keeps pumping out quality games that I enjoy I'm not too worried about what place they are in. If anyone thinks Sony is coming out of third place this gen, they might want to think again.carljohnson3456
Sony will come out 3rd place but that doesnt affect quality games coming out on the console. Its effects exclusives though coming out on the console though from 3rd party. Hopefully they will come out trumps overall at the end of the gen witha profit on the PS4. Sadly the PS3 is a miss this gen for me after buying 10 sony consoles.
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#55 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="rorskarch"] last I checked ps3 had more AAAE+ while 360 had more AAE(dont know about AE) so that pretty much evens out too.rorskarch

exclusive-wise yes, but in terms of overall library, 360 >>> PS3

are you talking about PC-360 multiplats then? because those gamese are still multiplat, so they cant contribute to a distinction between which library is better really, because it doesn't only exist on that console.

But when you are comparing two consoles and a game appears on one and not the other how does it NOT help the library just because it is on a 3rd unrelated system? especially when the overlap between the console market and the gaming PC market is rather small.

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#56 coltsfan4ever
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Lemmings are using all the damage control they can think of.

Fumpa

Maybe, but I agree with TC that cows are posting a lot of annoying topics about how great the PS3 exclusives are. Your comment seems more like damage control than what the TC wrote.

But alot of those exclusives are great. So whats the big deal with posting topics on them?

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#57 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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because those gamese are still multiplat, so they cant contribute to a distinction between which library is better really, because it doesn't only exist on that console.rorskarch
What? So accordin to you, if a console has only TWO good games (exclusives), and other two consoles share 30 good games, the console with TWO games would be better than the consoles with 30? That doesn't make any type of sense.
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#58 hakanakumono
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Believe it or not, quality games released on the system matter. Sure, sales are important to a companies continued business in the industry, but high quality titles are what let us enjoy systems, financially successful or not.

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#59 urdead18
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As far as I'm concerned, you guys can keep gloating about sales while I get to play to the best games.

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#60 beekayjay
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People buy the 360 because its cheap, not because the games are any better.
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#61 Silverbond
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You included sales!

That means I'll see your 2nd place with distant 1st place!

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#62 Ragashahs
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I'm sorry but as a gamer i don't get off of how well my console sells i only care about games and the PS3 has just as many great games as 360 does and as far as 09 is concerned PS3 is going to have a great year and none know's for sure if 360 can match it

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#63 Steppy_76
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I'm sorry but as a gamer i don't get off of how well my console sells i only care about games and the PS3 has just as many great games as 360 does and as far as 09 is concerned PS3 is going to have a great year and none know's for sure if 360 can match it

Ragashahs

You mean after you dismiss games for appearing on a third unrelated platform correct? Because if you simply look at every game available on each system and tally up the number, the 360 has more higher rated games in every category.

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#64 beekayjay
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Too lazy to look it up and believe you, so why don't you produce a list of titles and metacritic score and arrange comparisons according to game genre, until then I have no intention on taking what you say as fact.
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#65 MBP_King
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I'm still glad I have my PS3, having a blast with it actually. :)

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#66 beekayjay
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Seriously Steppy, I'm waiting for you to back your statements up. Make that list or just keep quiet next time.
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#67 W1NGMAN-
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As a GAMER, I'll continue to enjoy my PS3 and it's exclusives.

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#68 nervmeister
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I'm still glad I have my PS3, having a blast with it actually. :)

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But WHY? Its 3rd place in sales, dammit! :P
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#70 Steppy_76
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Seriously Steppy, I'm waiting for you to back your statements up. Make that list or just keep quiet next time.beekayjay
There's a well known spreadsheet of gamespots scores, or go to game rankings or metacritic and count them for yourself.

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#71 Sitic
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As far as I'm concerned, you guys can keep gloating about sales while I get to play to the best games.

urdead18
+1 Those sales charts are really fun to watch :P.
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#72 Steppy_76
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Seriously Steppy, I'm waiting for you to back your statements up. Make that list or just keep quiet next time.beekayjay
I'm not going to type all that up, especially when it isn't exactly a hard to find nor hard to quantify statement. You see those little 360 and PS3 tabs up towards the top of the site? List the games by score and count them.

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#73 Steppy_76
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As a GAMER, I'll continue to enjoy my PS3 and it's exclusives.

W1NGMAN-
Which is exactly what you SHOULD do. Both factions make rediculous statements.
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#74 Gamersince81
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Ps3 has the games now and xbox doesnt!! Wow, have times changed in one year.. As a real pure gamer i go where the great exclusives go and the trey has them over xbox now!! Dont get me wrong ill play my 360 again when they get a kick ass exclusive.

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#75 beekayjay
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No Steppy, thats not what I asked for, i asked for Metacritic ratings.
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#76 xsubtownerx
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Ps3 has the games now and xbox doesnt!! Wow, have times changed in one year.. As a real pure gamer i go where the great exclusives go and the trey has them over xbox now!! Dont get me wrong ill play my 360 again when they get a kick ass exclusive.

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If you only play exclusives, you're not a real gamer. You = fail.
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#77 Sword-Demon
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last place in sales =/= last place in quality

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#78 Gamersince81
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[QUOTE="Gamersince81"]

Ps3 has the games now and xbox doesnt!! Wow, have times changed in one year.. As a real pure gamer i go where the great exclusives go and the trey has them over xbox now!! Dont get me wrong ill play my 360 again when they get a kick ass exclusive.

xsubtownerx

If you only play exclusives, you're not a real gamer. You = fail.

LMFAO!! I get all my multiplats for the trey, You equals TREYOWNED!!!!! Like i said, when the xbox gets another killer exclusive ill crank the dust off!! Also have you played over 1000 games? I thought not.. You equals Gamersice81owned!!!!!!!

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#79 ermacness
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Good point, I don't think Sony had any system sellers so far, except for blu ray.

gago-gago
does MGS4 rings a bell? I just hate it when blind fanboys make ridiculous statements
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Gamersince81"]

Ps3 has the games now and xbox doesnt!! Wow, have times changed in one year.. As a real pure gamer i go where the great exclusives go and the trey has them over xbox now!! Dont get me wrong ill play my 360 again when they get a kick ass exclusive.

Gamersince81

If you only play exclusives, you're not a real gamer. You = fail.

LMFAO!! I get all my multiplats for the trey, You equals TREYOWNED!!!!! Like i said, when the xbox gets another killer exclusive ill crank the dust off!! Also have you played over 1000 games? I thought not.. You equals Gamersice81owned!!!!!!!

But you said that a real pure gamer only goes where the great exclusives are. Do you not see the irony in all this? I'm sorry but i think you just owned yourself, which is pretty funny because I didn't really have to say or do anything. :lol:
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#81 ermacness
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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

I'm sorry but as a gamer i don't get off of how well my console sells i only care about games and the PS3 has just as many great games as 360 does and as far as 09 is concerned PS3 is going to have a great year and none know's for sure if 360 can match it

You mean after you dismiss games for appearing on a third unrelated platform correct? Because if you simply look at every game available on each system and tally up the number, the 360 has more higher rated games in every category.

except for stealth action. Does mr AAAAE ring a bell
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#82 Steppy_76
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No Steppy, thats not what I asked for, i asked for Metacritic ratings. beekayjay
I don't care what you asked for, I'm not going to type out a bunch of stuff to save you a mouse click.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

count each level yourself, but according to that there are 299 360 games rated 7 or above, and 184 PS3 games rated 7 or above. The data is there, and fully supports what I say...me typing it out changes nothing.

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#83 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

I'm sorry but as a gamer i don't get off of how well my console sells i only care about games and the PS3 has just as many great games as 360 does and as far as 09 is concerned PS3 is going to have a great year and none know's for sure if 360 can match it

ermacness

You mean after you dismiss games for appearing on a third unrelated platform correct? Because if you simply look at every game available on each system and tally up the number, the 360 has more higher rated games in every category.

except for stealth action. Does mr AAAAE ring a bell

The discussion is about real world ramifications, not system wars ownage, and in the real world MGS4 isn't a "AAAAE". In the real world, MGS4 has less critical acclaim than Halo 3, GeOW 1 and 2, etc. So while it may be higher rated on here, it isn't terribly relevant to the discussion at hand.

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#84 Fumpa
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[QUOTE="Fumpa"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Lemmings are using all the damage control they can think of.

Lionheart08

Maybe, but I agree with TC that cows are posting a lot of annoying topics about how great the PS3 exclusives are. Your comment seems more like damage control than what the TC wrote.

So, saying someone is damage controlling is damage control? :?

Yup :). He's trying to downplay the points being made by suggesting that the TC's point is strictly damage control. So the goal would be to not have anyone take the TC's arguments seriously.
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#85 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Gamersince81"]

Ps3 has the games now and xbox doesnt!! Wow, have times changed in one year.. As a real pure gamer i go where the great exclusives go and the trey has them over xbox now!! Dont get me wrong ill play my 360 again when they get a kick ass exclusive.

Gamersince81

If you only play exclusives, you're not a real gamer. You = fail.

LMFAO!! I get all my multiplats for the trey, You equals TREYOWNED!!!!! Like i said, when the xbox gets another killer exclusive ill crank the dust off!! Also have you played over 1000 games? I thought not.. You equals Gamersice81owned!!!!!!!

Really? You got Gears of War 1 on your PS3, and Left 4 Dead, and....you get the point. There are multiplats on the 360 you CAN'T get for your PS3, which is exactly why it is stupid to dismiss them out of hand, and is exactly why cows fight tooth and nail to try to limit discussions to exclusives since the PS3 doesn't share titles with a 3rd system like the 360 does. Thanks for helping me prove my point. BTW you've been Xbowned.

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#86 ermacness
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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]You mean after you dismiss games for appearing on a third unrelated platform correct? Because if you simply look at every game available on each system and tally up the number, the 360 has more higher rated games in every category.

except for stealth action. Does mr AAAAE ring a bell

The discussion is about real world ramifications, not system wars ownage, and in the real world MGS4 isn't a "AAAAE". In the real world, MGS4 has less critical acclaim than Halo 3, GeOW 1 and 2, etc. So while it may be higher rated on here, it isn't terribly relevant to the discussion at hand.

well mr ermacness goes by reviews here because this is system wars and going by system wars, only gamespot reviews matter. The actual discussion at hand is that the ps3 is in 3rd place despite the great exclusives it have recieved so far, in which price point and the recession play a big part in that
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="Fumpa"]Maybe, but I agree with TC that cows are posting a lot of annoying topics about how great the PS3 exclusives are. Your comment seems more like damage control than what the TC wrote.Fumpa

So, saying someone is damage controlling is damage control? :?

Yup :). He's trying to downplay the points being made by suggesting that the TC's point is strictly damage control. So the goal would be to not have anyone take the TC's arguments seriously.

Oh yeah that's my agenda. :roll:

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#88 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]except for stealth action. Does mr AAAAE ring a bellermacness

The discussion is about real world ramifications, not system wars ownage, and in the real world MGS4 isn't a "AAAAE". In the real world, MGS4 has less critical acclaim than Halo 3, GeOW 1 and 2, etc. So while it may be higher rated on here, it isn't terribly relevant to the discussion at hand.

well mr ermacness goes by reviews here because this is system wars and going by system wars, only gamespot reviews matter. The actual discussion at hand is that the ps3 is in 3rd place despite the great exclusives it have recieved so far, in which price point and the recession play a big part in that

This is system wars yes, but this discussion is beyond the scope of system wars. Gamespots reviews are NOT the only thing that matters to the topic, therefore limiting to those scores is irrelevent...then again cows love to frame arguments to suit their point rather than using all available data.

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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]except for stealth action. Does mr AAAAE ring a bellermacness

The discussion is about real world ramifications, not system wars ownage, and in the real world MGS4 isn't a "AAAAE". In the real world, MGS4 has less critical acclaim than Halo 3, GeOW 1 and 2, etc. So while it may be higher rated on here, it isn't terribly relevant to the discussion at hand.

well mr ermacness goes by reviews here because this is system wars and going by system wars, only gamespot reviews matter. The actual discussion at hand is that the ps3 is in 3rd place despite the great exclusives it have recieved so far, in which price point and the recession play a big part in that

You're absolutely right. Why should we listen to groups of experienced reviewers when we can all just listen to one guy on one website. We will all accept his/her opinion on a game and will follow it without question.

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[QUOTE="Gamersince81"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] If you only play exclusives, you're not a real gamer. You = fail.xsubtownerx

LMFAO!! I get all my multiplats for the trey, You equals TREYOWNED!!!!! Like i said, when the xbox gets another killer exclusive ill crank the dust off!! Also have you played over 1000 games? I thought not.. You equals Gamersice81owned!!!!!!!

But you said that a real pure gamer only goes where the great exclusives are. Do you not see the irony in all this? I'm sorry but i think you just owned yourself, which is pretty funny because I didn't really have to say or do anything. :lol:

i dont see how anyone cannot understand this simple concept :/ yes gamers go where their better exclusives are because that is the only factor that decides which console to get. it doesnt mean they still cant play multiplats :roll:
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#91 treedoor
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[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]The discussion is about real world ramifications, not system wars ownage, and in the real world MGS4 isn't a "AAAAE". In the real world, MGS4 has less critical acclaim than Halo 3, GeOW 1 and 2, etc. So while it may be higher rated on here, it isn't terribly relevant to the discussion at hand.

SpinoRaptor24

well mr ermacness goes by reviews here because this is system wars and going by system wars, only gamespot reviews matter. The actual discussion at hand is that the ps3 is in 3rd place despite the great exclusives it have recieved so far, in which price point and the recession play a big part in that

You're absolutely right. Why should we listen to groups of experienced reviewers when we can all just listen to one guy on one website. We will all accept his/her opinion on a game and will follow it without question.


Which is why the N64 is the best system ever created.

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#92 Delsage
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I actually agree with you for once TC. The PS3 needs a price drop at this time in order to sell more consoles. Though having a great exclusive library is no hindrance at all and only helps in the long run.
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#93 iamshivy
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[QUOTE="-M117-"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Lemmings are using all the damage control they can think of.

Ragnarok1051

funny thing............were not last place :P

So why all the damage control? You've contributed to it as well.


lol because thats all thay have to brag about. "so ps3 owners are getting good gfames this year.so what were, were in second place. lmao

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#94 SmashingX
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People buy the 360 because its cheap, not because the games are any better.beekayjay
Exactly. PS3 was worth it to me. But in the case of average Joes' I can see how valid the point that sony needs to drop the price is.I believein a time that the PS3 80GB sku is 299 and the 360 60GB SKU is 299, sony would begin to match sales or outsell, of course i'd bet MS would drop another 50 bucks by then to combat it.

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#95 mitu123
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People buy the 360 because its cheap, not because the games are any better.beekayjay
Entirely subjective...
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#96 tylergamereview
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I feel like a really old grandparent who can't keep up with the times. When did sales dictate how good a console is?
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[QUOTE="Fumpa"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

So, saying someone is damage controlling is damage control? :?

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Yup :). He's trying to downplay the points being made by suggesting that the TC's point is strictly damage control. So the goal would be to not have anyone take the TC's arguments seriously.

Oh yeah that's my agenda. :roll:

I know.
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#98 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="beekayjay"]People buy the 360 because its cheap, not because the games are any better.SmashingX

Exactly. PS3 was worth it to me. But in the case of average Joes' I can see how valid the point that sony needs to drop the price is.I believein a time that the PS3 80GB sku is 299 and the 360 60GB SKU is 299, sony would begin to match sales or outsell, of course i'd bet MS would drop another 50 bucks by then to combat it.

I like how the two of you seem to be saying that being able to play almost all the same games(obviously each has games the other doesn't, but the vast majority of titles appear on both)at the same quality for less money is a bad thing. MS went with hardware that was cheaper and omitted certain non gaming features that kept the price down and the game quality the same. MS forced Sony to choose between sales and profitability, and Sony believed their brandname was so strong that they would get high sales at high prices...sony was wrong and the PS3 has to be a financial black hole at this point to compete.

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#99 SmashingX
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[QUOTE="SmashingX"]

[QUOTE="beekayjay"]People buy the 360 because its cheap, not because the games are any better.Steppy_76

Exactly. PS3 was worth it to me. But in the case of average Joes' I can see how valid the point that sony needs to drop the price is.I believein a time that the PS3 80GB sku is 299 and the 360 60GB SKU is 299, sony would begin to match sales or outsell, of course i'd bet MS would drop another 50 bucks by then to combat it.

I like how the two of you seem to be saying that being able to play almost all the same games(obviously each has games the other doesn't, but the vast majority of titles appear on both)at the same quality for less money is a bad thing. MS went with hardware that was cheaper and omitted certain non gaming features that kept the price down and the game quality the same. MS forced Sony to choose between sales and profitability, and Sony believed their brandname was so strong that they would get high sales at high prices...sony was wrong and the PS3 has to be a financial black hole at this point to compete.

That was a prediction based on my belief and opinion. I never said it was bad to own a 360 or that it was a bad move for microsoft to focus on gameplay. If the PS3 had decided to skip blu-ray and went with an alternate route to the cell, i do believe they'd have been better off. My only point is that the ps3 actually competes with the 360's shared aspects well this point in the 7th genand I believe it's gaining credibilty and steam and that a pricedrop would finally have them neck-and-neck. Your statement "Sony believed their brandname was so strong that they would get high sales at high prices...sony was wrong and the PS3 has to be a financial black hole at this point to compete." puts you in the same place you were trying to put me.

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#100 Ninten007
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More damage control from lemmings as according to them PS3 was never set to get any games.

PS3 also has a lot of nice exclusives this year and as well as great multiplats.

All the PS3 needs is a pricecut and watch sales will improve dramatically.