Things System Wars People Need to Know

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

how can an open platform be put in the same league with closed platform??

omho88

because they're both similar gaming systems and this isn't company wars.

dreamcast goes in the legacy forum. the pc plays games and even share many games with consoles. why does it matter that it can be configured in different ways?

This makes no sense. The reason threads exist are to restrict discussion on one subject relating to the board. Therefore a thread might restrict discussion between two games, companies, platforms,ect

If every thread must inculde everything every other thread discussion and can limit conversations every thread would be the exact same and then SW wouldnt be a board. It would just be one big thread in GGD.

Can you imagine if every thread in OT was just OT. I could talk about God in Food threads.

This makes no sense. The reason threads exist are to restrict discussion on one subject relating to the board. Therefore a thread might restrict discussion between two games, companies, platforms,ect

If every thread must inculde everything every other thread discussion and can limit conversations every thread would be the exact same and then SW wouldnt be a board. It would just be one big thread in GGD.

Can you imagine if every thread in OT was just OT. I could talk about God in Food threads.

EdenProxy

why would it have to include everything? :?

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

This makes no sense. The reason threads exist are to restrict discussion on one subject relating to the board. Therefore a thread might restrict discussion between two games, companies, platforms,ect

If every thread must inculde everything every other thread discussion and can limit conversations every thread would be the exact same and then SW wouldnt be a board. It would just be one big thread in GGD.

Can you imagine if every thread in OT was just OT. I could talk about God in Food threads.

CaseyWegner

why would it have to include everything? :?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

This makes no sense. The reason threads exist are to restrict discussion on one subject relating to the board. Therefore a thread might restrict discussion between two games, companies, platforms,ect

If every thread must inculde everything every other thread discussion and can limit conversations every thread would be the exact same and then SW wouldnt be a board. It would just be one big thread in GGD.

Can you imagine if every thread in OT was just OT. I could talk about God in Food threads.

EdenProxy

why would it have to include everything? :?

nobody is stopping you. i think you misread something.

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

why would it have to include everything? :?

nobody is stopping you. i think you misread something.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] It shouldn't. Threads should be allowed to limit conversations on different topics even if that means some of them focus strictly on PS3 and 360 and exclude PC and Wii.omho88

nobody is stopping you. i think you misread something.

okay. you both misread something.

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

nobody is stopping you. i think you misread something.

okay. you both misread something.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="omho88"] you are missing the point, when i make a thread, as a TC i can limit the content to anything i want, you just can't come in and say " no, you have to include X item". omho88

okay. you both misread something.

what do you want me to say? you're complaining about a non-existent issue. you read something wrong. nobody is forcing you to include all the systems no matter what.

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

okay. you both misread something.

what do you want me to say? you're complaining about a non-existent issue. you read something wrong. nobody is forcing you to include all the systems no matter what.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="omho88"] is that ur response when you dun have anything to say ??omho88

what do you want me to say? you're complaining about a non-existent issue. you read something wrong. nobody is forcing you to include all the systems no matter what.

you just can't exclude the pc to make a game be exclusive.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="omho88"] is that ur response when you dun have anything to say ??omho88

what do you want me to say? you're complaining about a non-existent issue. you read something wrong. nobody is forcing you to include all the systems no matter what.

If you would have taken the time to actually read the thread, you'd understand that the term 'console exclusive' shouldn't be permissable since it selectively excludes the PC from the argument to make your argument better. Nobody is saying that you can't have a thread that talks about two competing consoles, just that you can't use the term 'exclusive' to describe something that is in now way, shape or form, exclusive if it's on the PC as well.

Ok my sugguestion for a new term to use instead of Console exclusive. (bare with me as it's still a work in progress).

Game A is "for the Xbox 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC can kick rocks."

Would that not be sufficient.

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

what do you want me to say? you're complaining about a non-existent issue. you read something wrong. nobody is forcing you to include all the systems no matter what.

you just can't exclude the pc to make a game be exclusive.

Ok my sugguestion for a new term to use instead of Console exclusive. (bare with me as it's still a work in progress).

Game A is "for the Xbox 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC can kick rocks."

Would that not be sufficient.

OhSnapitz

how about pc/360 game?

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Ok my sugguestion for a new term to use instead of Console exclusive. (bare with me as it's still a work in progress).

Game A is "for the Xbox 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC can kick rocks."

Would that not be sufficient.

CaseyWegner

how about pc/360 game?

How about not.. :| As stated many, MANY times in this tread the proposal on the table is that we not use the term console exclusive (that it somehow excludes the PC), when asked why we have to include the PC in every argument you (and others) stated you don't have to include it. To simply "find another term to use." This is the term I'd like to use in the SW's.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Ok my sugguestion for a new term to use instead of Console exclusive. (bare with me as it's still a work in progress).

Game A is "for the Xbox 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC can kick rocks."

Would that not be sufficient.

OhSnapitz

how about pc/360 game?

How about not.. :| As stated many, MANY times in this tread the proposal on the table is that we not use the term console exclusive (that it somehow excludes the PC), when asked why we have to include the PC in every argument you (and others) stated you don't have to include it. To simply "find another term to use." This is the term I'd like to use in the SW's.

except that saying "the pc can kick rocks" is something we're trying to avoid.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

how about pc/360 game?

CaseyWegner

How about not.. :| As stated many, MANY times in this tread the proposal on the table is that we not use the term console exclusive (that it somehow excludes the PC), when asked why we have to include the PC in every argument you (and others) stated you don't have to include it. To simply "find another term to use." This is the term I'd like to use in the SW's.

except that saying "the pc can kick rocks" is something we're trying to avoid.

But this is the sw's.. :| Why are "we" trying to aviod a conflict with opposing platforms. I made no reference that said game is "Exclusive", I didn't insult any poster on the forum, I merely said the PC can kick rocks. That's par for the course here in the system wars.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

How about not.. :| As stated many, MANY times in this tread the proposal on the table is that we not use the term console exclusive (that it somehow excludes the PC), when asked why we have to include the PC in every argument you (and others) stated you don't have to include it. To simply "find another term to use." This is the term I'd like to use in the SW's.

OhSnapitz

except that saying "the pc can kick rocks" is something we're trying to avoid.

But this is the sw's.. :| Why are "we" trying to aviod a conflict with opposing platforms. I made no reference that said game is "Exclusive", I didn't insult any poster on the forum, I merely said the PC can kick rocks. That's par for the course here in the system wars.

in describing what systems a game is for?

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

except that saying "the pc can kick rocks" is something we're trying to avoid.

CaseyWegner

But this is the sw's.. :| Why are "we" trying to aviod a conflict with opposing platforms. I made no reference that said game is "Exclusive", I didn't insult any poster on the forum, I merely said the PC can kick rocks. That's par for the course here in the system wars.

in describing what systems a game is for?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

But this is the sw's.. :| Why are "we" trying to aviod a conflict with opposing platforms. I made no reference that said game is "Exclusive", I didn't insult any poster on the forum, I merely said the PC can kick rocks. That's par for the course here in the system wars.

OhSnapitz

in describing what systems a game is for?

it's still downplaying the pc's involvement in a multiplat game.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

in describing what systems a game is for?

CaseyWegner

it's still downplaying the pc's involvement in a multiplat game.

So now we can't "downplay" a multiplat game in the System Wars? :lol: You can't be serious.. :|

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Yes. :| Would it be more proper if I said "the PC version can kick rocks." OhSnapitz

it's still downplaying the pc's involvement in a multiplat game.

So now we can't "downplay" a multiplat game in the System Wars? :lol: You can't be serious.. :|

that's not what i said. i said "downplaying the pc's involvement" in the game.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it's still downplaying the pc's involvement in a multiplat game.

CaseyWegner

So now we can't "downplay" a multiplat game in the System Wars? :lol: You can't be serious.. :|

that's not what i said. i said "downplaying the pc's involvement" in the game.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

So now we can't "downplay" a multiplat game in the System Wars? :lol: You can't be serious.. :|

OhSnapitz

that's not what i said. i said "downplaying the pc's involvement" in the game.

because your description does the same thing that "console exclusive" does. it's like saying "it's a 360 game, screw the pc".

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

that's not what i said. i said "downplaying the pc's involvement" in the game.

CaseyWegner

because your description does the same thing that "console exclusive" does. it's like saying "it's a 360 game, screw the pc".

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

what do you want me to say? you're complaining about a non-existent issue. you read something wrong. nobody is forcing you to include all the systems no matter what.

CaseyWegner

you just can't exclude the pc to make a game be exclusive.

The term I think can't be argued with is...

PS3/Wii Excluded. :P

If you disagree, find another forum.

CaseyWegner

You should have just locked the thread after you edited the OP to add this instead of making it look like us SW users have the ability to influence or change decisions we do not agree with. People here have made good reasons to why we don't think some of these new rules should be implemented. If we knew our complaints were falling on deaf ears we probably wouldn't have bothered.

I look forward to SolidTY bringing back the idea of a SW council a idea I was opposed to ever since it was brought up, I can now see why the idea now might not be so bad.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

If you disagree, find another forum.

deangallop

You should have just locked the thread after you edited the OP to add this instead of making it look like us SW users have the ability to influence or change decisions we do not agree with. People here have made good reasons to why we don't think some of these new rules should be implemented. If we knew our complaints were falling on deaf ears we probably wouldn't have bothered.

I look forward to SolidTY bringing back the idea of a SW council a idea I was opposed to ever since it was brought up, I can now see why the idea now might not be so bad.

i left it open for questions to be answered. i never gave any indication that anything could be changed.

Allowing MLB the Show 10 to be exclusive was a major goof by this forum. If you go by that logic, all the handheld versions of EA sports games throughout the years are exclusive too. Many of these versions excluded game modes and features such as online play, online leagues, fully featured franchise modes etc. The game engines of these handheld games could be different enough that the only thing it had in common with its console brethren was that it was depicting the same sport. This includes different player models, animations, hit boxes, you name it.

I look forward to SolidTY bringing back the idea of a SW council a idea I was opposed to ever since it was brought up, I can now see why the idea now might not be so bad.

deangallop

SW Council was a bad idea that isn't ever going to happen. In order for any user based set of rules to actually be put in placed and enforced they would have to be made permanent board rules in SWs that we would police. That's just not going to happen. Enough people hated it when SWs started being more heavily moderated for the many breaking of ToS, think of what would happen if we started moderating against people's opinions because a small group of people who frequent this board decided that this is how everybody should think.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

I look forward to SolidTY bringing back the idea of a SW council a idea I was opposed to ever since it was brought up, I can now see why the idea now might not be so bad.

deangallop

SW Council was a bad idea that isn't ever going to happen. In order for any user based set of rules to actually be put in placed and enforced they would have to be made permanent board rules in SWs that we would police. That's just not going to happen. Enough people hated it when SWs started being more heavily moderated for the many breaking of ToS, think of what would happen if we started moderating against people's opinions because a small group of people who frequent this board decided that this is how everybody should think.

Looks at this thread.

Looks at this thread http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27428137&tag=topics%3Btitle.

Looks like your nightmare scenario is already happening.

Hmm, I bet those are the ones were you flat out said that anyone who didn't agree with you was factually wrong and stupid.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

SW Council was a bad idea that isn't ever going to happen. In order for any user based set of rules to actually be put in placed and enforced they would have to be made permanent board rules in SWs that we would police. That's just not going to happen. Enough people hated it when SWs started being more heavily moderated for the many breaking of ToS, think of what would happen if we started moderating against people's opinions because a small group of people who frequent this board decided that this is how everybody should think.

789shadow

Looks at this thread.

Looks at this thread http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27428137&tag=topics%3Btitle.

Looks like your nightmare scenario is already happening.

Hmm, I bet those are the ones were you flat out said that anyone who didn't agree with you was factually wrong and stupid.

In those two posts I was expressing how I felt the rules were wrong (in a way that I don't know how anybody could be seen as trolling), I never called anybody stupid.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Looks at this thread.

Looks at this thread http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27428137&tag=topics%3Btitle.

Looks like your nightmare scenario is already happening.

deangallop

Hmm, I bet those are the ones were you flat out said that anyone who didn't agree with you was factually wrong and stupid.

In those two posts I was expressing how I felt the rules were wrong (in a way that I don't know how anybody could be seen as trolling), I never called anybody stupid.

No, you specifically said "YOUR rules are wrong".

Ok my sugguestion for a new term to use instead of Console exclusive. (bare with me as it's still a work in progress).

Game A is "for the Xbox 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC can kick rocks."

Would that not be sufficient.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Hmm, I bet those are the ones were you flat out said that anyone who didn't agree with you was factually wrong and stupid.

789shadow

In those two posts I was expressing how I felt the rules were wrong (in a way that I don't know how anybody could be seen as trolling), I never called anybody stupid.

No, you specifically said "YOUR rules are wrong".

Yeah I expressed my opinion on how I think the rules you think are right are indeed wrong, and I gave a lot of points to as to why I though that.

How is this an offence to the rules. It doesn't say anywhere that I can't criticise SW rules.

and for the record you responded to me with a much more degrading tone and comment, one with a starred out explative but I didn't report you even though I could have.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]4. The "console exclusive" term has no place here because it selectively excludes a system that is included in this forum. (see above) Find a better term to use.CaseyWegner

that's fine. just don't call it any type of exclusive. if you find yourself somehow making a thread involving only the 360, ps3, and wii then you need to first ask yourself "why?".

Ok my sugguestion for a new term to use instead of Console exclusive. (bare with me as it's still a work in progress).

Game A is "for the Xbox 360 but not on the PS3 or Wii, the PC can kick rocks."

Would that not be sufficient.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

that's fine. just don't call it any type of exclusive. if you find yourself somehow making a thread involving only the 360, ps3, and wii then you need to first ask yourself "why?".

dsmccracken

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Can we take this to mean that the possession or lack of a multiplat game may be compared between two platforms if it isn't called a "console exclusive"? Or is that excluding the other platform?dsmccracken

that's fine. just don't call it any type of exclusive. if you find yourself somehow making a thread involving only the 360, ps3, and wii then you need to first ask yourself "why?".

more like comparing every team but one and acting like it doesn't count.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]This I will never understand. Does a Yankees vs. RedSox debate on a baseball forum get accused of pretending the rest of MLB doesn't exist? And more importantly do moderators for mlb.com step in and tell them to stop because it somehow ignores or disrespects the Pittsburgh Pirates?CaseyWegner

more like comparing every team but one and acting like it doesn't count.

This.

And I guess since there's no "multiplats" in baseball (i'm guessing players aren't often shared amongst teams?) the analogy doesn't work at all in this context.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

that's fine. just don't call it any type of exclusive. if you find yourself somehow making a thread involving only the 360, ps3, and wii then you need to first ask yourself "why?".

CaseyWegner

more like comparing every team but one and acting like it doesn't count.

Gamers who only game on consoles exist, and in large numbers. This term is for them. For them, whether a game is on the PC is non-impactful... and whether a game is on one console and not another is EXTREMELY impactful. PC exists, there is no "pretending" that it doesn't, but it simply doesn't impact on the avenues by which consolites engage in the recreational activity of gaming. Console Exclusive is not a slur, or a pretense, it is simply a descriptive term that has a specific (and might I add valid and meaningful) definition. To deny this population who no one here denies exists a descriptive term that is useful to their realities is absurd. Banning any useful vocabulary (outside of slurs) is absurd.