Things System Wars People Need to Know

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="Giancar"] to be fair if there were high PC/PS3 profile games, you would see a similar reaction from some cowsCaseyWegner

i know you know that the 360 has more high scoring exclusives than the ps3. what are you doing?

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

What brought this on?

deangallop

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

You`re gone for two days and you miss an awful lot...

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

What brought this on?

deangallop

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

What's so hard to understand. The way we're doing right now if very simple,effective,and easy to understand. If we do what you're suggesting most games out there would be exclusives.

[QUOTE="deangallop"] Your saying the exact same thing as me except less elegantly, and by not calling them exclusives you invite others to exclude them from 1 V 1 exclusive comparisons. lundy86_4

I am? Essentially, I suppose, as we're debating over the use of the word. However what makes your system any better than the current. Nothing really, and the current makes things far more simplistic for documentation purposes and for the *possible* hundreds or thousands of posters to understand.

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

What brought this on?

deangallop

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

It's a conspiracy :lol: .

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

What brought this on?

timmy00

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

What's so hard to understand. The way we're doing right now if very simple,effective,and easy to understand. If we do what you're suggesting most games out there would be exclusives.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] probably but not as much, if the xbox had more exclusive people probably wouldnt even care if these multiplats were counted as exclusives or not but they need to bulk the list up by adding multiplatsTintedEyes

i know you know that the 360 has more high scoring exclusives than the ps3. what are you doing?

anything else wouldn't make sense and you know how this forum works.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"] Your saying the exact same thing as me except less elegantly, and by not calling them exclusives you invite others to exclude them from 1 V 1 exclusive comparisons. deangallop

I am? Essentially, I suppose, as we're debating over the use of the word. However what makes your system any better than the current. Nothing really, and the current makes things far more simplistic for documentation purposes and for the *possible* hundreds or thousands of posters to understand.

That's possible in this system :?

Like *I* said, just say they are multiplats not playable on X system.What's to stop people starting threads in your system, that states specifically "PS3 VS 360... Only games playable on ONE system count". Nothing.

You're way promotes confusion and a less effective way of tallying up numbers.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

What brought this on?

ownage_denied

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

It's a conspiracy :lol: .

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

deangallop

What's so hard to understand. The way we're doing right now if very simple,effective,and easy to understand. If we do what you're suggesting most games out there would be exclusives.

pc/360 game doesn't give the same credit as pc/360 exclusive?

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I am? Essentially, I suppose, as we're debating over the use of the word. However what makes your system any better than the current. Nothing really, and the current makes things far more simplistic for documentation purposes and for the *possible* hundreds or thousands of posters to understand.

lundy86_4

That's possible in this system :?

Like *I* said, just say they are multiplats not playable on X system.What's to stop people starting threads in your system, that states specifically "PS3 VS 360... Only games playable on ONE system count". Nothing.

You're way promotes confusion and a less effective way of tallying up numbers.

It's not confusing it's common sense.

and nothing stops someone from making a thread like the one you just said, infact they often do except they leave out the only one system part and act like games that should matter do not.

I'm good with people creating the thread you just said, they'll be laughed out of SW and be called out as a fanboy tho.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i know you know that the 360 has more high scoring exclusives than the ps3. what are you doing?

CaseyWegner

anything else wouldn't make sense and you know how this forum works.

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="timmy00"]*sigh*

What's so hard to understand. The way we're doing right now if very simple,effective,and easy to understand. If we do what you're suggesting most games out there would be exclusives.

CaseyWegner

pc/360 game doesn't give the same credit as pc/360 exclusive?

Nope because people won't put PC/360 games in PC vs PS3 "exclusive" debates or 360 vs PS3 "exclusive" debates.

It's not confusing it's common sense.

and nothing stops someone from making a thread like the one you just said, infact they often do except they leave out the only one system part and act like games that should matter do not.

I'm good with people creating the thread you just said, they'll be laughed out of SW and be called out as a fanboy tho.

deangallop

Common sense? It's just two seperate meanings of the same word. Both are common sense.

So if nothing stops them, nothing makes your system better. So why not just keep it the same?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] i said high scoring?TintedEyes

anything else wouldn't make sense and you know how this forum works.

you know that's not what i said.

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

What brought this on?

deangallop

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

It's not confusing it's common sense.

and nothing stops someone from making a thread like the one you just said, infact they often do except they leave out the only one system part and act like games that should matter do not.

I'm good with people creating the thread you just said, they'll be laughed out of SW and be called out as a fanboy tho.

lundy86_4

Common sense? It's just two seperate meanings of the same word. Both are common sense.

So if nothing stops them, nothing makes your system better. So why not just keep it the same?

Because people like to play with semantics and won't include PC/360 games in PC vs PS3 "exclusive" debates, even though it matters that a game like Metro 2033 is not on PS3 in this instance.

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

deangallop

What's so hard to understand. The way we're doing right now if very simple,effective,and easy to understand. If we do what you're suggesting most games out there would be exclusives.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

anything else wouldn't make sense and you know how this forum works.

CaseyWegner

you know that's not what i said.

Because people like to play with semantics and won't include PC/360 games in PC vs PS3 "exclusive" debates, even though it matters that a game like Metro 2033 is not on PS3 in this instance.

deangallop

People will play with semantics in your system, like I just showed is possible. Neither system is perfect.

Like I said, all you have to state is that they are a multiplat not playable on the opposite console, and thus count in such a debate.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] i said high scoring?TintedEyes

anything else wouldn't make sense and you know how this forum works.

You know even if you took away "high scoring" exclusives. The 360 would still have more exclusives than PS3. And in this case I'm using the single or sole version of the word. You know the one you like.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="felipebo"]

What brought this on?

Arach666

The person who made the rules is corrupt and wants to dilute the importance of games that are on some systems but not on every system.

cows are going to the bank to pay GS mods

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="timmy00"]*sigh*

What's so hard to understand. The way we're doing right now if very simple,effective,and easy to understand. If we do what you're suggesting most games out there would be exclusives.

timmy00

In a direct PC vs PS3 or 360 vs PS3 exclusive debate the game is imprtant even though it is multiplat.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Because people like to play with semantics and won't include PC/360 games in PC vs PS3 "exclusive" debates, even though it matters that a game like Metro 2033 is not on PS3 in this instance.

lundy86_4

People will play with semantics in your system, like I just showed is possible. Neither system is perfect.

Like I said, all you have to state is that they are a multiplat not playable on the opposite console, and thus count in such a debate.

Give me an example of how someone could manipulate my system which I havn't really fully shared yet.

I've showed how people have manipulated the current system.

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"] It may be simple,effective,and easy to understand but it's also wrong, it doesn't give proper credit to certain games. deangallop

In a direct PC vs PS3 or 360 vs PS3 exclusive debate the game is imprtant even though it is multiplat.

It may be simple,effective,and easy to understand but it's also wrong, it doesn't give proper credit to certain games. deangallop

And your system potentially gives undue credit to games by throwing the term "exclusive" in there. I'm sorry, but if we start using the term "exclusive" when it's far from "exclusive" then why not just call everything exclusive? If it's on more than one platform, it IS NOT exclusive - I fail to see the difficulty in understanding the issue.

It would be extremely silly to eventually call ME2 exclusive when it comes to the PS3. It will be on three platforms, and calling it "exclusive" would give it completely undue credit to any platform(s) for which you claim exclusivity.

By your logic, every single nightclub would be exclusive! I imagine that any upstanding nightclub would not allow:

• Elderly people

• Nudists

• Agressive drunks

• children

• zombies

Hey guess what, every club in the world is an exclusive nightclub! Now every game is exclusive too, since they probably can't be played by:

• Dead people

• Blind, deaf, and dumb people (unlikely anyway)

• Bed-ridden people with no arms

• People who live in homes without electricity

• People in jail

• zombies

How far do you want to go with this idea of "exclusivity" that you're perpetuating.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] i didnt know that you always had to talk about the high scoring and never anything else, news to meTintedEyes

you know that's not what i said.

and it doesn't. do you see lemmings trying to add low scoring games to bolster their count? :|

Give me an example of how someone could manipulate my system which I havn't really fully shared yet.

I've showed how people have manipulated the current system.

deangallop

I don't need to... I already showed one. Whether you fully share it or not is irrelevant, considering it is still a flaw either way. Both systems can be manipulated, and I showed you how to manipulate this one in your favour.

Why change the system, causing excessive amounts or confusion, when both systems are flawed? It makes no sense to do so.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]I see nothing wrong with it. Let say we're in an exclusive debate. You can't use stuff like Fable 3 just because it's not on the PS3. You may say it's not on the PS3 however in an exclusive debate Fable 3 is considered Multiplat. It's on the PC.

timmy00

In a direct PC vs PS3 or 360 vs PS3 exclusive debate the game is imprtant even though it is multiplat.

If it's a direct comparison it does not matter if a game is on another system other than the one it's being compared to, and fable 3 is exclusive to the 360 and the PC.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you know that's not what i said.

CaseyWegner

and it doesn't. do you see lemmings trying to add low scoring games to bolster their count? :|

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Give me an example of how someone could manipulate my system which I havn't really fully shared yet.

I've showed how people have manipulated the current system.

lundy86_4

I don't need to... I already showed one. Whether you fully share it or not is irrelevant, considering it is still a flaw either way. Both systems can be manipulated, and I showed you how to manipulate this one in your favour.

Why change the system, causing excessive amounts or confusion, when both systems are flawed? It makes no sense to do so.

Give me a direct example please I've given one for the current system.

Lil jimmy makes a PC vs PS3 exclusive debate and excludes games like L4D2, metro 2033, and Fable 3 cuz they naht exclusive.

Now show me how to manipulate my system.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] but you said not talking about high scoring makes no senseTintedEyes

and it doesn't. do you see lemmings trying to add low scoring games to bolster their count? :|

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

In a direct PC vs PS3 or 360 vs PS3 exclusive debate the game is imprtant even though it is multiplat.

deangallop

If it's a direct comparison it does not matter if a game is on another system other than the one it's being compared to, and fable 3 is exclusive to the 360 and the PC.

Give me a direct example please I've given one for the current system.

Lil jimmy makes a PC vs PS3 exclusive debate and excludes games like L4D2, metro 2033, and Fable 3 cuz they naht exclusive.

Now show me how to manipulate my system.

deangallop

I already did, about making a thread saying "PS3 Vs 360... Only games on one system counts". It's an example of a loophole in your system, just like the loophole in this system.

Both systems can give credit to games not playable on one system, when you say it's a "multiplat not playable on X console, and thus counts in the argument".

Do you forget points people make a few posts back?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] but you said not talking about high scoring makes no senseTintedEyes

and it doesn't. do you see lemmings trying to add low scoring games to bolster their count? :|

answer the question or stop wasting my time. i'm trying to answer legitimate questions here.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]It may be simple,effective,and easy to understand but it's also wrong, it doesn't give proper credit to certain games. raynimrod

And your system potentially gives undue credit to games by throwing the term "exclusive" in there. I'm sorry, but if we start using the term "exclusive" when it's far from "exclusive" then why not just call everything exclusive? If it's on more than one platform, it IS NOT exclusive - I fail to see the difficulty in understanding the issue.

It would be extremely silly to eventually call ME2 exclusive when it comes to the PS3. It will be on three platforms, and calling it "exclusive" would give it completely undue credit to any platform(s) for which you claim exclusivity.

By your logic, every single nightclub would be exclusive! I imagine that any upstanding nightclub would not allow:

• Elderly people

• Nudists

• Agressive drunks

• children

• zombies

Hey guess what, every club in the world is an exclusive nightclub! Now every game is exclusive too, since they probably can't be played by:

• Dead people

• Blind, deaf, and dumb people (unlikely anyway)

• Bed-ridden people with no arms

• People who live in homes without electricity

• People in jail

• zombies

How far do you want to go with this idea of "exclusivity" that you're perpetuating.

You go as far as you need to. ME2 is not on Wii so it's a reason to own a HD system over the Wii, the current system ignores that entirely.

People can use that loophole all they want, it won't stop them from being laughed out of SW. No one will care about that thread because it's very obvious that the TC is a fanboy.

deangallop

How do you know? You're just saying that to try and help your argument come out on top.

Both have disadvantages, thus what is the point in replacing this one with an equally flawed one? It's time-consuming, confusing and just downright dis-organized.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]It may be simple,effective,and easy to understand but it's also wrong, it doesn't give proper credit to certain games. deangallop

And your system potentially gives undue credit to games by throwing the term "exclusive" in there. I'm sorry, but if we start using the term "exclusive" when it's far from "exclusive" then why not just call everything exclusive? If it's on more than one platform, it IS NOT exclusive - I fail to see the difficulty in understanding the issue.

It would be extremely silly to eventually call ME2 exclusive when it comes to the PS3. It will be on three platforms, and calling it "exclusive" would give it completely undue credit to any platform(s) for which you claim exclusivity.

By your logic, every single nightclub would be exclusive! I imagine that any upstanding nightclub would not allow:

• Elderly people

• Nudists

• Agressive drunks

• children

• zombies

Hey guess what, every club in the world is an exclusive nightclub! Now every game is exclusive too, since they probably can't be played by:

• Dead people

• Blind, deaf, and dumb people (unlikely anyway)

• Bed-ridden people with no arms

• People who live in homes without electricity

• People in jail

• zombies

How far do you want to go with this idea of "exclusivity" that you're perpetuating.

You go as far as you need to. ME2 is not on Wii so it's a reason to own a HD system over the Wii, the current system ignores that entirely.

Why aren't you addressing my questions thought? You're the one that's opened the floodgates on how far we should go when referring to something being "exclusive". Are you therefore saying we should call ME2 exclusive? We should call every nightclub exclusive? We should call supermarkets exclusive because they also won't let the aforementioned people shop in them?

Again, if a game is on more than one platform, it is not exclusive. Trying to spin it opens you up to the questions above, which you're clearly at odds with answering properly.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

People can use that loophole all they want, it won't stop them from being laughed out of SW. No one will care about that thread because it's very obvious that the TC is a fanboy.

lundy86_4

How do you know? You're just saying that to try and help your argument come out on top.

Both have disadvantages, thus what is the point in replacing this one with an equally flawed one. It's time-consuming, confusing and just downright dis-organized.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

People can use that loophole all they want, it won't stop them from being laughed out of SW. No one will care about that thread because it's very obvious that the TC is a fanboy.

deangallop

How do you know? You're just saying that to try and help your argument come out on top.

Both have disadvantages, thus what is the point in replacing this one with an equally flawed one. It's time-consuming, confusing and just downright dis-organized.

you've made your point. it's not going to change anything. maybe you should just stop cluttering the thread so that people with questions can be seen more easily.

I'm not saying that because I want to come out of the argument on top. I'm saying it because it's obvious that the creator of such thread could easily be rubutled. My system is better. It's not opinion it's a fact, my system doesn't stop people from creating unfair comparisons but it makes it much easier to discredit them. The current system encourages people to make threads where an unfair advantage is had and the current system give people who are wrong ( people who think exclusive is limited to a singular thing) an easy scapegoat to push forward their unfair comparisons. deangallop

Well you do, otherwise the argument/debate would not be taking place.

You saying something is fact, does not make it so. Both are equally as flawed, and open to workarounds and loopholes. You can quite easily discredit someone making an exclusive thread, like I have said. There's nothing wrong with including a multiplat in an exclusive thread, so long as it isn't called an exclusive, and it's not playable on the other system.

Exclusivity can be limited to a singular thing, and it can also be limited to a group. Thus, it can be used in multiple instances.

Now, we seem to be heading in circles, and to be honest, I really can't be bothered. PM an admin if it's such a big deal (really don't see why it is), such as Jody and seek a response. If she agrees, changes could be made. If not, then for lack of a better term "get over it".

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

And your system potentially gives undue credit to games by throwing the term "exclusive" in there. I'm sorry, but if we start using the term "exclusive" when it's far from "exclusive" then why not just call everything exclusive? If it's on more than one platform, it IS NOT exclusive - I fail to see the difficulty in understanding the issue.

It would be extremely silly to eventually call ME2 exclusive when it comes to the PS3. It will be on three platforms, and calling it "exclusive" would give it completely undue credit to any platform(s) for which you claim exclusivity.

By your logic, every single nightclub would be exclusive! I imagine that any upstanding nightclub would not allow:

• Elderly people

• Nudists

• Agressive drunks

• children

• zombies

Hey guess what, every club in the world is an exclusive nightclub! Now every game is exclusive too, since they probably can't be played by:

• Dead people

• Blind, deaf, and dumb people (unlikely anyway)

• Bed-ridden people with no arms

• People who live in homes without electricity

• People in jail

• zombies

How far do you want to go with this idea of "exclusivity" that you're perpetuating.

raynimrod

You go as far as you need to. ME2 is not on Wii so it's a reason to own a HD system over the Wii, the current system ignores that entirely.

Why aren't you addressing my questions thought? You're the one that's opened the floodgates on how far we should go when referring to something being "exclusive". Are you therefore saying we should call ME2 exclusive? We should call every nightclub exclusive? We should call supermarkets exclusive because they also won't let the aforementioned people shop in them?

Again, if a game is on more than one platform, it is not exclusive. Trying to spin it opens you up to the questions above, which you're clearly at odds with answering properly.

I don't know what you want me to explain or defend here. I've already explained that as long as a game is not on a particular system then that game is exclusive. Someone can call a game like ME2 exlcusive ( because it is to the HD systems). Give me a better reason a good example of why we shouldn't "open the floodgate".

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

How do you know? You're just saying that to try and help your argument come out on top.

Both have disadvantages, thus what is the point in replacing this one with an equally flawed one. It's time-consuming, confusing and just downright dis-organized.

CaseyWegner

you've made your point. it's not going to change anything. maybe you should just stop cluttering the thread so that people with questions can be seen more easily.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"] I'm not saying that because I want to come out of the argument on top. I'm saying it because it's obvious that the creator of such thread could easily be rubutled. My system is better. It's not opinion it's a fact, my system doesn't stop people from creating unfair comparisons but it makes it much easier to discredit them. The current system encourages people to make threads where an unfair advantage is had and the current system give people who are wrong ( people who think exclusive is limited to a singular thing) an easy scapegoat to push forward their unfair comparisons. deangallop

you've made your point. it's not going to change anything. maybe you should just stop cluttering the thread so that people with questions can be seen more easily.

thank you.

I'll never stop finding it silly how console exclusive is taboo here. L4D is console exclusive. Not on PS3 or Wii. Cows and Sheep receive a direct blow to the gut. It is viable as consoles =/= PC Just like Handhelds =/= PC and Consoles

Edit: I won't throw it around if it's againt the rules or something I'll just type the long drawn out way to say it opposed the simple term Console Exclusive but I still view what I stated as a simple fact and ignoring it doesn't make it not true. I know I;ll get some flames for this :P

I'll never stop finding it silly how console exclusive is taboo here. L4D is console exclusive. Not on PS3 or Wii. Cows and Sheep receive a direct blow to the gut. It is viable as consoles =/= PC Just like Handhelds =/= PC and ConsolesSparkyProtocol

I have no problem with using games like L4D in a comparison between specific consoles, but when all systems are in play, it just doesn't fly. Also, no, this is not PC vs. 360 vs. Wii vs. PS3 24/7, 12 months a year. This may be System Wars, but it's silly to say that all systems have to be in play all the time. But yes, "console exlusive" does sound like excluding the PC. It's not a huge thing, but it is still bothersome. I suggest just saying "multiplats ____ doesn't have".

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]I'll never stop finding it silly how console exclusive is taboo here. L4D is console exclusive. Not on PS3 or Wii. Cows and Sheep receive a direct blow to the gut. It is viable as consoles =/= PC Just like Handhelds =/= PC and Consoles789shadow

I have no problem with using games like L4D in a comparison between specific consoles, but when all systems are in play, it just doesn't fly. Also, no, this is not PC vs. 360 vs. Wii vs. PS3 24/7, 12 months a year. This may be System Wars, but it's silly to say that all systems have to be in play all the time. But yes, "console exlusive" does sound like excluding the PC. It's not a huge thing, but it is still bothersome. I suggest just saying "multiplats ____ doesn't have".

i really disagree with the console exclusive thing but its all good :P

munchlax99

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

This may all seem pretty straightforward and obvious but some confusion has recently reared its ugly head.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

2. This is system wars...not console wars. The pc counts as much here as any other system.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702&tag=topics%3Btitle

If you disagree, find another forum.

3. This is system wars...not company wars. The PC is not a Microsoft platform. It is an open platform. Microsoft just so happens to make the most common operating system and that is also only just one component that makes a PC work.

4. The "console exclusive" term has no place here because it selectively excludes a system that is included in this forum. (see above) Find a better term to use.

5. An already multiplat game going to another system is not an exclusive lost for any system the game was originally on.

how can an open platform be put in the same league with closed platform??

because they're both similar gaming systems and this isn't company wars.