Third Party Support For The Wii U Gets Stronger- Are We Looking At Next Gen PS2?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with being excited for WiiU, and if Nintendo manages to get as much 3rd party support as the competition, that can only be a good thing.

But I've heard the same reaction from the developers the moment the Wii was announced. I'm not buying it--at least not yet. A lot of it will depend on Nintendo, and we've been through this before. If Nintendo manages to receive 3rd party support in a positive manner--something they've been completely horrible at the past few generations then things could change. What you have to ask yourself is, will Nintendo finally change?

Betting on good quality online gaming for their platform would be a good start. It's all on Nintendo.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]That all sounds reasonable. Personally, I do not see Nintendo overpricing their hardware again, even if that means that they have to take a hit on their profits a little a la the 3DS. Honestly, $250 is the best launch price possible for the machine. $299 is what seems to be the most likely. $349 is the highest I will pay for it (and I assume there are many others who would agree with me on this). Beyond that, the system is guaranteed to sell sluggishly, especially since it will have a fledgling library whereas the PS360, both with well established libraries and online infrastructures at this point in their lifecycle, will, at least initially (until devs are comfortable with the Wii U hardware), provide similar experiences for a cheaper price.shinrabanshou

• $150 - Arcade standalone
• $200 - Arcade Kinect
• $250 - 250GB standalone
• $300 - 250GB Kinect

While the PS3 will either have dropped another $50, be bundled with 1-2 games as standard, and/or have increased HDD size.

I think Nintendo will still price for profit or at least break-even, mainly because unlike the others, they don't have other divisions to potentially rely on, and with the 3DS currently selling at a (presumably small) loss, investors will want to see some black on the balance sheet - stock is currently at like a 5 year low.

I think people will bite at $399 - $450 if there is a very easily discernible technical improvement over the current gen - not crazy Samaritan tech demo, of course - but I don't think simply 1080p60 as standard will be enough.

I'm also curious to what degree people have now become "tied-down" to a particular network infrastructure, like Xbox Live and PSN, especially if that's where their friends all play. There could be some hesitation moving to another console as a primary system after setting roots on another network. Online gaming, and the networks established through them, are an entirely new way hardcore hardware sales could be affected.

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

Lexter45

Yep I think so. If the Wii U has a strong third party it will succed.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

carljohnson3456

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="Lexter45"]

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

ActionRemix

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Please watch the tech demos which look way beyond current gen graphics AND are at 1080p 60fps.ActionRemix

The Zelda Demo was in 720p at 30 fps with 0 AA, and looks about as impressive as Gears 3.

The Japanese Garden Demo was at 30 fps, with frame dips in some sections,and was likely at 720p.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-e3-nintendo

The Zelda Demo was in 720p at 30 fps with 0 AA, and looks about as impressive as Gears 3.The Japanese Garden Demo was at 30 fps, with frame dips in some sections,and was likely at 720p.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-e3-nintendoGiant_Panda

The Wii U should be a good console but a next gen PS2? not a chance the PS2 is a once in a life time console just like the DS is a once in a life time handheld.

[QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]The Zelda Demo was in 720p at 30 fps with 0 AA, and looks about as impressive as Gears 3.The Japanese Garden Demo was at 30 fps, with frame dips in some sections,and was likely at 720p.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-e3-nintendoActionRemix

It's true about the 720p and no AA, but remember how awful the Zelda tech demo's always look compared to the final product? Also, the textures are definitely more detailed then Gears 3.

Aaaand that demo was rushed and made with not finalised dev kits.

I think the Wii U will blow the HD twins out of the water, wait and see.

It's true about the 720p and no AA, but remember how awful the Zelda tech demo's always look compared to the final product? Also, the textures are definitely more detailed then Gears 3. Aaaand that demo was rushed and made with not finalised dev kits. I think the Wii U will blow the HD twins out of the water, wait and see.theuncharted34

Don't hype a console based on a list of interested companies. That's what we saw with the 3DS and Wii and that got us nowhere. I'll wait until some actual games.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]It's true about the 720p and no AA, but remember how awful the Zelda tech demo's always look compared to the final product? Also, the textures are definitely more detailed then Gears 3. Aaaand that demo was rushed and made with not finalised dev kits. I think the Wii U will blow the HD twins out of the water, wait and see.ActionRemix

So did I.

But like I said, those demo's were extremely rushed on un-finished hardware, and if something is coded really badly, someone could get 4x the performance on the same hardware if it has well-written code.

So did I. But like I said, those demo's were extremely rushed on un-finished hardware, and if something is coded really badly, someone could get 4x the performance on the same hardware if it has well-written code.theuncharted34

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]So did I. But like I said, those demo's were extremely rushed on un-finished hardware, and if something is coded really badly, someone could get 4x the performance on the same hardware if it has well-written code.ActionRemix

That would be a very odd pairing if true :P

Doesn't seem likely lol

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]So did I. But like I said, those demo's were extremely rushed on un-finished hardware, and if something is coded really badly, someone could get 4x the performance on the same hardware if it has well-written code.theuncharted34

That would be a very odd pairing if true :P

Doesn't seem likely lol

Its the same with most of Nintendo's new consoles, they spout how so many third parties are on board, then they lose them all, well the support from them anyway, theres always a few exclusives made just for Nintendo but the most part is they get over looked.

Honestly, I'm not sure if hardcore gamers have the consumer confidence in the Nintendo brand to spend those types of prices on a Nintendo console for purely technical reasons. Even if Nintendo were to excel in terms of graphics capability and so-called mature gaming, there's already a great deal of skepticism regarding the Wii U's technical capabilities when compared to the hypothetical PS3/360 successors. Many PS3/360 owners may simply take the route of "wait and see", and why not? Their console is already capable of playing most of the same games...

I'm also curious to what degree people have now become "tied-down" to a particular network infrastructure, like Xbox Live and PSN, especially if that's where their friends all play. There could be some hesitation moving to another console as a primary system after setting roots on another network. Online gaming, and the networks established through them, are an entirely new way hardcore hardware sales could be affected.

SakusEnvoy

To some gamers, an integrated online infrastructure is important and they'll have invested time and effort into building their online identity and network on PSN or XBL. This vendor lock-in effect may mean that Nintendo may be at an inherent disadvantage with these particular gamers as being able to carry over an account to a new generation of Playstation or XBOX may appeal more than minor technical differences.

Scumbag Nintendo - 'WiiU will feature the latest in cutting edge technology', uses (at least) 20 year old resistive technology for controller's touch screen.

The rumor is Epic Games worked with Nintendo to produce the two demos. At the very least we know they didn't build them from scratch.ActionRemix

Really? All I remember is that DF commented on how the Japanese Garden Demo's water was similar to Gears 2. (I can see the AA, but still questionable on the 720p since it was a compressed stream they were looking at.) Zelda tech demo was done in-house with a few outsiders, so that's a possibility.

I am a tad bit interested in Wii U, just looking to see how things are gonna play out, I waited 1 year till I bought any current gen consoles.

um it doesn't seem the Wii u has anymore 3rd party support then the ps3 or 360 had at one time....

um it doesn't seem the Wii u has anymore 3rd party support then the ps3 or 360 had at one time....

WilliamRLBaker

That remains to be seen. We thought the same of the 3DS, and then Assassin's Creed was cancelled, then the Saints Row game. Games were delayed. Same could happen with the Wii U. And just because Nintendo might get more third party support for the Wii U doesn't mean it'd be as grand a scale as PS2 automatically just because they're finally getting support. They have the potential to have more third party support than the last three gens. PS2 levels of support is stretching it quite far. We need to at least get to a few steps below that before claiming the top prize.

um it doesn't seem the Wii u has anymore 3rd party support then the ps3 or 360 had at one time....

WilliamRLBaker

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um it doesn't seem the Wii u has anymore 3rd party support then the ps3 or 360 had at one time....

Santesyu

[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

um it doesn't seem the Wii u has anymore 3rd party support then the ps3 or 360 had at one time....

ShadowDeathX

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

SOURCE:http://www.computerandvideogames.com/321798/previews/battlefield-3-returning-to-its-roots-on-wii-u/

Looks like EA wasn't kidding when it said that it would be fully supporting the Wii U. Is this a sign of better third party suppot for Nintendo's next console? EA, Ninja Theory, Rocksteady, Ubisoft, Activision, Irrational, Epic, Crytek, Bioware, Bethesda, Kojima, Konami, Team Ninja, Capcom and Gearbox have all already confirmed an interest in/projects in progress on the Wii U. Are we looking at what will, if handled correctly, become the next generation's PS2?

charizard1605

Well let me remind you then the issue and no , this didnt happen when Wii released .

Were 2 constantly years or more, Nintendo fanboys claimings. Wii is the NEXT PS2 and its almost SURE WILL SURPASS it in sales. That was what most saying. And i was saying "" Dream on "" and i was getting the laughter. Where are they now , Ninties to laugh?

Now about PS2 vs Wii-u .... dream on again! PS2 still sells. Wii almost dead 1 year before Wii-u release. Thats your Nintendo. Why you think Wii-u will be different ? Because it will be better and will compete easily with PS3/X360 , almost 7 years old consoles? Just wait for Ps4/X720 to claim "victory".

Noone will give 300-350 euros or more just to play same games as PS3/X360 with a "bit" better resolutions or whatever. Because thats the issue here. You wont see BF4 ( example ) only for Wii-u.. Youll see BF4 on all consoles and on Wii-u ,IF WONT BE A PORT , youll see a slightly better version. Thats all. But when PS4/x720 release then and only then youll see truly next gen games and guess what Wii-u will be by then??!!! Another Wii outdated console that wont handle most of new gen games.

Quote me here and now if you want.

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

Lexter45

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]So 7th gen multiplats will be on ta 8th gen console? Interesting....charizard1605

I do not mean call of duty of old I am talking about mw2 on up.

Santesyu

Well let me remind you then the issue and no , this didnt happen when Wii released .

Were 2 constantly years or more, Nintendo fanboys claimings. Wii is the NEXT PS2 and its almost SURE WILL SURPASS it in sales. That was what most saying. And i was saying "" Dream on "" and i was getting the laughter. Where are they now , Ninties to laugh?

Now about PS2 vs Wii-u .... dream on again! PS2 still sells. Wii almost dead 1 year before Wii-u release. Thats your Nintendo. Why you think Wii-u will be different ? Because it will be better and will compete easily with PS3/X360 , almost 7 years old consoles? Just wait for Ps4/X720 to claim "victory".

Noone will give 300-350 euros or more just to play same games as PS3/X360 with a "bit" better resolutions or whatever. Because thats the issue here. You wont see BF4 ( example ) only for Wii-u.. Youll see BF4 on all consoles and on Wii-u ,IF WONT BE A PORT , youll see a slightly better version. Thats all. But when PS4/x720 release then and only then youll see truly next gen games and guess what Wii-u will be by then??!!! Another Wii outdated console that wont handle most of new gen games.

Quote me here and now if you want.

AzatiS

Your argument has to do with sales, which really makes no sense in the given context. Finally, as for our last paragraph, all you are doing is assuming. Just like a lot of those same Nintendo fanboys whom you seem to hold a grudge again. How about we wait and watch what actually happens next gen?

^ nintendo's issue with 3rd party games has been getting people to buy them. Companies always say that they'd love to put games on nintendo's platforms, "ooh 80+ million install base, me gusta!!" Then they release a game and no one buys it. They release a similar on other platforms and sell tons. They can't figure out what exactly they're doing wrong, so they give it a few more runs, with similar results. Afterwards they pretty much abandon Nintendo's system. I don't know how exactly Ninty can pull it off, but they somehow need to get thier fanbase to care about something other than thier 1st party titles, otherwise they will be looking at the exact same situation.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Okay, so you are talking about 1GB of VRAM and 2GB of system RAM, and an AMD 4850... can all of this be mass produced so that the final console, considering the price of the controller, can be marketed at or around $249?ronvalencia

IBM already confirmed it's Wii U PPC solution is fab'ed on 45nm i.e. unlikely fusion solution with late Radeon HD 4xx0 40nm design.

"RV770 is also "ready" for GDDR5 since it was the only memory type used" statement is not right. My old RV770 has GDDR4 i.e. AMD source info for Radeon HD 4850

Radeon HD 4870 has support for GDDR3/4/5 and fab on 55 nm tech Where did you get native 40nm for RV770? RV740 is fab'ed with 40nm TSMC.

Radeon HD 4670 = RV730,

Radeon HD 4770 = RV740

Radeon HD 4870 = RV770

Radeon HD 4890 = RV790

It unlikely Wii U will use RV770's 256bit memory interface PCB wiring since Xbox 360, PS3 and mainstream PC GPUs (e.g. Radeon HD 6770) still uses 128bit wide bus. PCB cost hardly change. My bet is something like RV740.

There'sAMD Radeon E4690 i.e. embedded version Radeon HD 46x0M.

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

Mozelleple112

Too soon to tell. All we know is neither PS4 nor nextbox will be much more powerfull than Wii U.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Lexter45"]

Anybody else looking forward to playing a Zelda/Mario/ Starfox game with Next Gen graphics. :shock:

BlbecekBobecek

Too soon to tell. All we know is neither PS4 nor nextbox will be much more powerfull than Wii U.

ya the wii u's controller could really become useful in alot of games the more you think about, as long as nintendo has a good online set up, im already sold on the wii uTH1Sx1SxSPARTA

[QUOTE="TH1Sx1SxSPARTA"]ya the wii u's controller could really become useful in alot of games the more you think about, as long as nintendo has a good online set up, im already sold on the wii uBigboi500