this is for the ones who says mass effect has the best animations

even our not worth buying game is way better face impressions and animations http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24950.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24727.html here is another. here is a trailer that might make you want to buy it.http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23361.htmlim sorry this game is so gorgous that no game look as good as this game to date.

now here is mass effect watch the faces and caracter models http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24970.html they blink i will give you that. the truth is both games have great caracter models so stop saying the ps 3 can't do it or mass effect is better looking the any game on the ps 3. this is not a thread of wich game is better but a thread to show the lemmings that mass effect is the only game that has great face animation. i fact or first year game has better animations than a two year game.

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

GOTY - CONFIRMED

Thanks for posting those Vids.

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

astiop

Exactly.

So you're comparing CGI to realtime conversations that you control?

talk about a fanboy

So you're comparing CGI to realtime conversations that you control?

talk about a fanboy

GGNoRematch

see i now it is going to be huge and it is not supose to be a 6 hour but i keep seeing is no ps 3 game to date has good graphics like mass effect when in fact1. is it not. and 2. it is a large game that the graphics are supposed to be awesome or the best. im just sick and tyered saying it is the best LOOKING game to date.GARRYTH

best looking game as in gameplay, depth, custimization, everything..

Best game graphically.. that's up for debate.. but posting your puny CGI scenes kills all your points

[QUOTE="GGNoRematch"]

So you're comparing CGI to realtime conversations that you control?

talk about a fanboy

GARRYTH

Why are you comparing cutscenes that load in and out (Heavenly Sword) to conversation scenes that are all in-game?

Heavely Sword: Non interactive cut scenes with motion capturing perfomed by professionals in the film industry (didn't they hire the company that worked on the Lord Of The Rings movies?)

Mass Effect: Interactive cut scenes / dialogue system, with no motion capturing (that I know of)

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

astiop

even our not worth buying game is way better face impressions and animations http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24950.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24727.html here is another. here is a trailer that might make you want to buy it.http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23361.htmlim sorry this game is so gorgous that no game look as good as this game to date.

now here is mass effect watch the faces and caracter models http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24970.html they blink i will give you that. the truth is both games have great caracter models so stop saying the ps 3 can't do it or mass effect is better looking the any game on the ps 3. this is not a thread of wich game is better but a thread to show the lemmings that mass effect is the only game that has great face animation. i fact or first year game has better animations than a two year game.GARRYTH

I sure would hope so seeing how the facial annimations were nothing but mo-cap. :|

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24727.html

GARRYTH

You're kidding, right? This is CG and you're using it as ownage.

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

astiop

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="GGNoRematch"]

So you're comparing CGI to realtime conversations that you control?

talk about a fanboy

BioShockOwnz

Why are you comparing cutscenes that load in and out (Heavenly Sword) to conversation scenes that are all in-game?

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24727.html

Kestastrophe

You're kidding, right? This is CG and you're using it as ownage.

the first link wasn't. that's all you need.

lol @ goddess of flop

short games on teh blu-ray... i-r-o-n-y

[QUOTE="astiop"]

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

The_Crucible

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

for a game the size of Mass Effect, that's asking quite a bit. Mass Effect isn't like games like Oblivion where they recycle the same dialogue over and over again. Through out the whole game each character has it's own unique voice and comments to make and all those comments also depend on how your character is received by the NPC. Where you may not always be seeing a facial response that fits the characters mood, at least their voice will let you know how they are feeling.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="GGNoRematch"]

So you're comparing CGI to realtime conversations that you control?

talk about a fanboy

Nedemis

Why are you comparing cutscenes that load in and out (Heavenly Sword) to conversation scenes that are all in-game?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="astiop"]

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

Nedemis

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

for a game the size of Mass Effect, that's asking quite a bit. Mass Effect isn't like games like Oblivion where they recycle the same dialogue over and over again. Through out the whole game each character has it's own unique voice and comments to make and all those comments also depend on how your character is received by the NPC. Where you may not always be seeing a facial response that fits the characters mood, at least their voice will let you know how they are feeling.

Hmmm, sounds lame to me. "Ignore he face, the voice tells you all." Why even have expressions at all?

They have to map each voice track with a certain conversation. Why not map them to facial animations too?

^ actually, there are emotions... they don't always pull a straight face. Like in the gun interrogation video, when speppard pulls the guy and demands answers, or when he pulls a gun on the barmans face in another video, or even when you interupt that guy and tell him whos boss, you can see emotion in all those. And don't forget that they were playing a "ruthless" character, and from the way he acted, he was actually spot-on.

It's now always gonna be the same, and we have only seen limited amounts of the game, that don't include many "emotional" bits. But like I said, check other games that have interactive dialogue. You get non existant to verry little emotion and minimal facial movement. Mass effect is a colossal step forward compared to games in it's own genre when it comes to dialogue.

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24727.html

The_Crucible

You're kidding, right? This is CG and you're using it as ownage.

the first link wasn't. that's all you need.

So what. He still posted CG in the hopes of owning Mass Effect and lemmings.

[QUOTE="astiop"]

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

The_Crucible

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="astiop"]

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

The_Crucible

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

for a game the size of Mass Effect, that's asking quite a bit. Mass Effect isn't like games like Oblivion where they recycle the same dialogue over and over again. Through out the whole game each character has it's own unique voice and comments to make and all those comments also depend on how your character is received by the NPC. Where you may not always be seeing a facial response that fits the characters mood, at least their voice will let you know how they are feeling.

Hmmm, sounds lame to me. "Ignore he face, the voice tells you all." Why even have expressions at all?

They have to map each voice track with a certain conversation. Why not map them to facial animations too?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="astiop"]

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

heretrix

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

Truer words have never been spoken in System Wars.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24727.html

Kestastrophe

You're kidding, right? This is CG and you're using it as ownage.

the first link wasn't. that's all you need.

So what. He still posted CG in the hopes of owning Mass Effect and lemmings.

So what. You're still ignoring the facts and the one link that proves his point. Should he have not posted that other link? Sure. But that doesn't null everything else.

You gotta love this in SW. People love finding that one thing that is wrong and then proceed to use that to discredit the entire argument.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="astiop"]

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

Nedemis

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

Truer words have never been spoken in System Wars.

First off, no one would expect the characters to show every single different variation of every emotion. Ju8st enough to add some realism. Why didn't they use it for Mass Effect? They could mo-cap to get the emotions, select the ones that best incapsulate a persons emotions, map them to certain conversations or scenes, and PRESTO CHANGO, you have life like emotions ties in with great voice acting. Doesn't seem to be such a stretch.

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24727.html

The_Crucible

You're kidding, right? This is CG and you're using it as ownage.

the first link wasn't. that's all you need.

So what. He still posted CG in the hopes of owning Mass Effect and lemmings.

So what. You're still ignoring the facts and the one link that proves his point. Should he have not posted that other link? Sure. But that doesn't null everything else.

You gotta love this in SW. People love finding that one thing that is wrong and then proceed to use that to discredit the entire argument.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Kestastrophe"]

So what. He still posted CG in the hopes of owning Mass Effect and lemmings.

Nedemis

So what. You're still ignoring the facts and the one link that proves his point. Should he have not posted that other link? Sure. But that doesn't null everything else.

You gotta love this in SW. People love finding that one thing that is wrong and then proceed to use that to discredit the entire argument.

Just like lems have hyped that "one thing" for months now only to find out its lackluster.

First off, no one would expect the characters to show every single different variation of every emotion. Ju8st enough to add some realism. And if mo-cap is so easy, why didn't they use it for Mass Effect. They could mo-cap to get the emotions, select the ones that best incapsulate a persons emotions, map them to certain conversations or scenes, and PRESTO CHANGO, you have life like emotions ties in with great voice acting. Doesn't seem to be such a stretch.

The_Crucible

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Kestastrophe"]

So what. He still posted CG in the hopes of owning Mass Effect and lemmings.

The_Crucible

So what. You're still ignoring the facts and the one link that proves his point. Should he have not posted that other link? Sure. But that doesn't null everything else.

You gotta love this in SW. People love finding that one thing that is wrong and then proceed to use that to discredit the entire argument.

Just like lems have hyped that "one thing" for months now only to find out its lackluster.

and what is that one thing? If you're claiming we've been hyping facial animations then you're wrong. Mass Effect is about open ended RPG gameplay and that's what's so impressive. The sheer scale of the game.

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"]

So what. He still posted CG in the hopes of owning Mass Effect and lemmings.

The_Crucible

So what. You're still ignoring the facts and the one link that proves his point. Should he have not posted that other link? Sure. But that doesn't null everything else.

You gotta love this in SW. People love finding that one thing that is wrong and then proceed to use that to discredit the entire argument.

Where did I try to discredit his argument? Comparing CG footage to in-game footage, and then proceeding to attempt ownage is a cardinal sin in these forums and it should not go unnoticed.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="astiop"]

You guys don't get it do you? Mass effect has a completely new dialogue system, it's not just custcene in engine sequences. The facial animations might be better in other games like hs, but you have no controll whatsoever as to what happens in those. The developers can just move the face and all that however they like with the limited amount of dialogue that goes on in the game. In mass effect, thats simply imposible because the amound of time you spend talking will last more than heavenly sword as a whole game. Mass effect has way more dialogue then hs and you actualy participate and choose what you want to say.

If you want to compare mass effects facial animations compare it to a game that does the same like oblivion and kotor... after that you will realise why the game is so praised in that department.

The_Crucible

Okay, okay, i understand what you're saying. that with so many different conversations you can have in Mass Effect that it is hard to develope emotions for each conversation. And that does ring true, to a certain extent.

But how many emotions are there to show? You have sad, angry, excited, happy, and whatever else you can think of. But we're talking about an attainable number here. Something like 10-15 emotions to cover most situations. Couldn't the Mass Effect devs just animated all of those emotions for all characters and have them show depending on the conversation? Why is that such a stretch?

Truer words have never been spoken in System Wars.

First off, no one would expect the characters to show every single different variation of every emotion. Ju8st enough to add some realism. Why didn't they use it for Mass Effect? They could mo-cap to get the emotions, select the ones that best incapsulate a persons emotions, map them to certain conversations or scenes, and PRESTO CHANGO, you have life like emotions ties in with great voice acting. Doesn't seem to be such a stretch.

Awe no Mass Effect for the Ps3? :(

And the Cow goes MOOOOOOOOOOOOO

First off, no one would expect the characters to show every single different variation of every emotion. Ju8st enough to add some realism. Why didn't they use it for Mass Effect? They could mo-cap to get the emotions, select the ones that best incapsulate a persons emotions, map them to certain conversations or scenes, and PRESTO CHANGO, you have life like emotions ties in with great voice acting. Doesn't seem to be such a stretch.

The_Crucible

You're forgetting that you can customize your character. When you can pretty much customize every facial feature I imagine it would be hard to map that kind of stuff given the endless amout of variations that people will come up with.

And if they're motion capturing real life aliens, I want to see it.

Maybe because they didn't want to do it the half-assed way. Every game that Bioware has done has had an evolution of the way they do dialogue. It isn't perfect but they are very serious about it. The next game in the series will be even more advanced. And your way certainly didn't help Heavenly Swordat all. It's still a mediocre game with great cutscenes. Mass Effects dialogue system is part of the actual gameplay. there is a big difference.heretrix

Again we go over the audio but skip over the video that should go with it. You can give me all the best voice acting, but if the face doesn't match, its almost pointless. Taking an innovative step in video game conversation is much greater when including the entire conversation, not just voice.

And how many times are you lems going to give us this CG crap? The first link you were given shows IN-GAME animations. Animations done on the fly while in game. Are they cutscenes, yes. But the animations are great and the voice acting is too. The point is, take the great conversation of Mass Effect, take the animations from HS, and you get what we should be seeing. instead, you all defend Mass Effect to the "T" and ignore this fact.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

First off, no one would expect the characters to show every single different variation of every emotion. Ju8st enough to add some realism. Why didn't they use it for Mass Effect? They could mo-cap to get the emotions, select the ones that best incapsulate a persons emotions, map them to certain conversations or scenes, and PRESTO CHANGO, you have life like emotions ties in with great voice acting. Doesn't seem to be such a stretch.

CushVA

You're forgetting that you can customize your character. When you can pretty much customize every facial feature I imagine it would be hard to map that kind of stuff given the endless amout of variations that people will come up with.

And if they're motion capturing real life aliens, I want to see it.

You quote me and then proceed with points disputed in my comments. nice work.

who gives a **** all this game exclusiveness (if it's not on my system it sucks!) is pissing me off

i like Heavenly sword, i'm also really anticipating Mass Effect and frankly i don't give a **** if they were coming out on the atari jaguar 5000 bajillion super delux version console that gives you handjobs, they still look good

both of the heavenly sword trailers were CUT SCENES ok. cut scenes use mo-cap. tha mass effect trailer was IN GAME GRAPHICS. get me some in game graphics of hs and then we'll compare.

So you're comparing CGI to realtime conversations that you control?

talk about a fanboy

GGNoRematch

Listen, you have a decent point. But, also, you must know that CGI scenes are not liek what they used to be. They used to be fully pre-rendered videos. Now they are displayed on the fly using the console's own resources.

With that said, do you think its impossible to have the same Uncharted cut-scenes with you answering questions and moving the conversation along?No, not impossible at all.

GOTY - CONFIRMED

Thanks for posting those Vids.

Douja555

I like this post. He gets my seal of approval