This is the reason why I love Team ICO, Sony and Japanese games.(60kb FTW)

This is the reason why I buy Japanese consoles and leave American created games to PC, games like IC) Mario Galaxy and MGS4 are all great because of the effort thats put forward by these proven studios. Comment!!!

True, they do seem to be more atmospheric and generally more polished.

True, they do seem to be more atmospheric and generally more polished.

Oakfront

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True, they do seem to be more atmospheric and generally more polished.

godofwar2610

I think commercialism pervades Western game development, and I suppose in the end it probably should, whereas Japanese games appear to elicit more pride from their creators. You're right; they don't release buggy or unpolished games nearly as often. The other thing is, the Eastern gaming tradition simply has a different appeal to a different crowd. You see it in their art, their narratives, and their generally crappy in a charming way translations. I prefer Eastern developed games; but I think it's a cultural thing.

They tend to have more soul I believe that.

True, they do seem to be more atmospheric and generally more polished.

Oakfront

Say what? No way.

i love japanese games (is it because im asian?). western games are always about violence, fps, tps, blood, gore. i mean, where can you see a game like Katamari, Mario Galaxy, Metal Gear? eastern games always want to be photorealistic, physics-based, sci-fi, futuristic, graphics whore, etc. i mean, japanese games combine fantasy/mafic or whatever with graphics, but somehow western games always go with reality when it comes to graphics. also, we all know that japanese studios and developers are not (and i use the term loosely) 'restricted' by their publishers. i just can't picture EA telling their developer studios to make a game that has a great concept and sales isn't that important. lmao.

i love japanese games (is it because im asian?). western games are always about violence, fps, tps, blood, gore. i mean, where can you see a game like Katamari,roddollente

Mario Galaxyroddollente

Metal Gear?roddollente

can you give me a japanese game like the sims, sim city or spore?

i love japanese games (is it because im asian?). western games are always about violence, fps, tps, blood, gore. i mean, where can you see a game like Katamariroddollente

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i love japanese games (is it because im asian?). western games are always about violence, fps, tps, blood, gore. i mean, where can you see a game like KatamariMckenna1845

I'm pretty sure it's Eastern...

True, they do seem to be more atmospheric and generally more polished.

Oakfront

[QUOTE="roddollente"] i'll give you this one [QUOTE="roddollente"] Mario Galaxybingbaocao

Metal Gear?roddollente

can you give me a japanese game like the sims, sim city or spore?

Kameo is no where near as atmospheric as Japanese games (and yeah i know let the screenshots begin but that's the truth. nintendo-4life

The other games, though still not as atmospheric, were under Japanese surveillance so i don't think they count.nintendo-4life

Personally i would say japanese games are more atmospheric. Because American games tend to target only 4 styles for the most part: Futuristic Sci-fi, medieval wats, agents (FBI and stuff like that), And modern wars. Of course you do have games like GTA which felt pretty atmospherical to me (and i can't believe i'm saying that), But still, if you're not a fan of the four types stated above, well.... tough luck i guess :Pnintendo-4life

Of course for you japanese games are more atmosferic, because you're saying western devs don't count. I love it how you said Kameo wasn't atmosferic, that remark alone pretty much states thatwe have nothing more to talk about

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[QUOTE="roddollente"] Kameo, Jak and Dexter, Ratchet and Clank, Banjo Kazooie [QUOTE="roddollente"]Metal Gear?nintendo-4life

can you give me a japanese game like the sims, sim city or spore?

Fallout 3 and STALKER are two of the most atmospheric games i ever played. No japanese game really beats them for me. And just because a game is Futuristic/Sci-Fi doesnt make it any less atmospheric.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"] Splinter Cell, Thief

can you give me a japanese game like the sims, sim city or spore?

Zerocrossings

Fallout 3 and STALKER are two of the most atmospheric games i ever played. No japanese game really beats them for me. And just because a game is Futuristic/Sci-Fi doesnt make it any less atmospheric.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Actually it's an opinion, and i strongly disagree with it

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]The other games, though still not as atmospheric, were under Japanese surveillance so i don't think they count.bingbaocao

Personally i would say japanese games are more atmospheric. Because American games tend to target only 4 styles for the most part: Futuristic Sci-fi, medieval wats, agents (FBI and stuff like that), And modern wars. Of course you do have games like GTA which felt pretty atmospherical to me (and i can't believe i'm saying that), But still, if you're not a fan of the four types stated above, well.... tough luck i guess :Pnintendo-4life

Of course for you japanese games are more atmosferic, because you're saying western devs don't count. I love it how you said Kameo wasn't atmosferic, that remark alone pretty much states thatwe have nothing more to talk about

. 2. Are you telling me Sony had nothing to do with project ratchet? 3. I'm not saying they don't count but that's my opinion. The guy who said Fallout 3 was atmospheric was right, i never said american devs had no talent. I just think i'm more attracted to Japanese atmosphere..... why is everyone getting worked up?:?nintendo-4life

Are you telling me sony specifially sent japanese devs for ratchet? or jak and dexter?

Based upon a game that we saw no gameplay of just a prerended trailer?

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Kameo is no where near as atmospheric as Japanese games (and yeah i know let the screenshots begin but that's the truth. The other games, though still not as atmospheric, were under Japanese surveillance so i don't think they count. Personally i would say japanese games are more atmospheric. Because American games tend to target only 4 styles for the most part: Futuristic Sci-fi, medieval wats, agents (FBI and stuff like that), And modern wars. Of course you do have games like GTA which felt pretty atmospherical to me (and i can't believe i'm saying that), But still, if you're not a fan of the four types stated above, well.... tough luck i guess :Pnintendo-4life

Fallout 3 and STALKER are two of the most atmospheric games i ever played. No japanese game really beats them for me. And just because a game is Futuristic/Sci-Fi doesnt make it any less atmospheric.

Really? Doom 3 was sci-fi/futuristic and it was atmospheric as hell.

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] So because sony is Japanese Ratchet doesn't count even though it's developer is western? you gotta be kidding me

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]Personally i would say japanese games are more atmospheric. Because American games tend to target only 4 styles for the most part: Futuristic Sci-fi, medieval wats, agents (FBI and stuff like that), And modern wars. Of course you do have games like GTA which felt pretty atmospherical to me (and i can't believe i'm saying that), But still, if you're not a fan of the four types stated above, well.... tough luck i guess :Pnintendo-4life

Of course for you japanese games are more atmosferic, because you're saying western devs don't count. I love it how you said Kameo wasn't atmosferic, that remark alone pretty much states thatwe have nothing more to talk about

Because you like Evanescence, and therefore it's obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to "good taste". That's why.

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. 2. Are you telling me Sony had nothing to do with project ratchet? 3. I'm not saying they don't count but that's my opinion. The guy who said Fallout 3 was atmospheric was right, i never said american devs had no talent. I just think i'm more attracted to Japanese atmosphere..... why is everyone getting worked up?:?bingbaocao

Are you telling me sony specifially sent japanese devs for ratchet? or jak and dexter?

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]

. 2. Are you telling me Sony had nothing to do with project ratchet? 3. I'm not saying they don't count but that's my opinion. The guy who said Fallout 3 was atmospheric was right, i never said american devs had no talent. I just think i'm more attracted to Japanese atmosphere..... why is everyone getting worked up?:?nintendo-4life

Are you telling me sony specifially sent japanese devs for ratchet? or jak and dexter?

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

Fallout 3 and STALKER are two of the most atmospheric games i ever played. No japanese game really beats them for me. And just because a game is Futuristic/Sci-Fi doesnt make it any less atmospheric.

Zerocrossings

Really? Doom 3 was sci-fi/futuristic and it was atmospheric as hell.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

Of course for you japanese games are more atmosferic, because you're saying western devs don't count. I love it how you said Kameo wasn't atmosferic, that remark alone pretty much states thatwe have nothing more to talk about

Samox

Because you like Evanescence, and therefore it's obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to "good taste". That's why.

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] No it kinda does actually. Again, it's all opinion and i just stated mine, i didn't really expect anyone to agree with me but yeah that's what i think.nintendo-4life

Really? Doom 3 was sci-fi/futuristic and it was atmospheric as hell.

yes, yes i can, in fact out of that list of yours, fatal frame is the only one that could give DOOM 3 a run for it's money

and Kameo is more atmospheric then Final Fantasy or MGS if you ask me

Western developers created Starcraft and Baldurs Gate.

Nuff said.

Edit: and half-life :)

Western developers created Starcraft and Baldurs Gate.

Nuff said.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

Really? Doom 3 was sci-fi/futuristic and it was atmospheric as hell.

bingbaocao

yes, yes i can, in fact out of that list of yours, fatal frame is the only one that could give DOOM 3 a run for it's money

and Kameo is more atmospheric then Final Fantasy or MGS if you ask me

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Never played it :P (I know you want to hit me right now :P). But c'mon can you really think these games are on the same level as: F.E.A.R (just played the demo btw :P) Fatal frame Super mario galaxy ICO triology Final fantasy MGS Zelda etc. I can't speak for Doom, but i can speak for the other games you mentioned and i think it's a "no".nintendo-4life

yes, yes i can, in fact out of that list of yours, fatal frame is the only one that could give DOOM 3 a run for it's money

and Kameo is more atmospheric then Final Fantasy or MGS if you ask me

It's that Evanescene sig, bro. I'm tellin ya.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

yes, yes i can, in fact out of that list of yours, fatal frame is the only one that could give DOOM 3 a run for it's money

and Kameo is more atmospheric then Final Fantasy or MGS if you ask me

Samox

It's that Evanescene sig, bro. I'm tellin ya.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Never played it :P (I know you want to hit me right now :P). But c'mon can you really think these games are on the same level as: F.E.A.R (just played the demo btw :P) Fatal frame Super mario galaxy ICO triology Final fantasy MGS Zelda etc. I can't speak for Doom, but i can speak for the other games you mentioned and i think it's a "no".nintendo-4life

yes, yes i can, in fact out of that list of yours, fatal frame is the only one that could give DOOM 3 a run for it's money

and Kameo is more atmospheric then Final Fantasy or MGS if you ask me

Im not gonna hit you, but i recommend you play it. :P And im gonna assume you havent played STALKER or Fallout 3 because those games are incredible in atmosphere.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

yes, yes i can, in fact out of that list of yours, fatal frame is the only one that could give DOOM 3 a run for it's money

and Kameo is more atmospheric then Final Fantasy or MGS if you ask me

Zerocrossings

Im not gonna hit you, but i recommend you play it. :P And im gonna assume you havent played STALKER or Fallout 3 because those games are incredible in atmosphere.

[QUOTE="roddollente"] i'll give you this one [QUOTE="roddollente"] Mario Galaxybingbaocao

Metal Gear?roddollente

can you give me a japanese game like the sims, sim city or spore?

[QUOTE="roddollente"] i'll give you this one [QUOTE="roddollente"] Mario Galaxybingbaocao

Metal Gear?roddollente

can you give me a japanese game like the sims, sim city or spore?

90% of Japanese games are terrible and weird.

Please do not put Kameo and the new Banjo Kazooie in the same space as Ratchet, Jak and Mario. Those feeble Rare efforts are nowhere near up to there quality, and are testament to how far down the tubes that Rare has gone since it's N64 heyday. And please, Splinter Cell being compared to MGS is an insult to MGS and Mr Hideo Kojima. Splinter Cell is a bottom burp of a game compared to MGS. And without MGS, Youbesoft would not have had the idea to try and copy, and mess up. Harry_Balzac

ratchet and clank: quest for booty scored lower then Banjo and Kameo. I also think that Kameo is one of the best games i'v played this generation (haven't played banjo yet)

Please do not put Kameo and the new Banjo Kazooie in the same space as Ratchet, Jak and Mario. Those feeble Rare efforts are nowhere near up to there quality, and are testament to how far down the tubes that Rare has gone since it's N64 heyday. And please, Splinter Cell being compared to MGS is an insult to MGS and Mr Hideo Kojima. Splinter Cell is a bottom burp of a game compared to MGS. And without MGS, Youbesoft would not have had the idea to try and copy, and mess up. Harry_Balzac

You make it sound like these 360 games are vastly inferior, when they're not.

They are great games and almost on par to each other.

[QUOTE="godofwar2610"][QUOTE="Oakfront"]

True, they do seem to be more atmospheric and generally more polished.

bingbaocao

[QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"] Please do not put Kameo and the new Banjo Kazooie in the same space as Ratchet, Jak and Mario. Those feeble Rare efforts are nowhere near up to there quality, and are testament to how far down the tubes that Rare has gone since it's N64 heyday. And please, Splinter Cell being compared to MGS is an insult to MGS and Mr Hideo Kojima. Splinter Cell is a bottom burp of a game compared to MGS. And without MGS, Youbesoft would not have had the idea to try and copy, and mess up. bingbaocao

ratchet and clank: quest for booty scored lower then Banjo and Kameo. I also think that Kameo is one of the best games i'v played this generation (haven't played banjo yet)

To each their own?

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"] Please do not put Kameo and the new Banjo Kazooie in the same space as Ratchet, Jak and Mario. Those feeble Rare efforts are nowhere near up to there quality, and are testament to how far down the tubes that Rare has gone since it's N64 heyday. And please, Splinter Cell being compared to MGS is an insult to MGS and Mr Hideo Kojima. Splinter Cell is a bottom burp of a game compared to MGS. And without MGS, Youbesoft would not have had the idea to try and copy, and mess up. Harry_Balzac

ratchet and clank: quest for booty scored lower then Banjo and Kameo. I also think that Kameo is one of the best games i'v played this generation (haven't played banjo yet)

actually, when i said ratchet i meant metacritic

and thank you for your long and uninsteresting opinion