This is what Final Fantasy XIII for 360 will look like :D

Disc swapping> Mandatory installs anyday of the week. :|

I love it when people go on about how disc swapping is so old and stuck in the past and TEH BLU RAYZZ is how things should be, not realizing it takes MGS4 10 minutes to install itself per level and about 10 seconds to get off your behind and swap a disc. :lol:

Sony fans seem to enjoy sticking their fingers in their ears, yelling "LALALALA" and taking several steps backwards the more this gen goes on. :lol:

That is either a really long game or a very uncompressed game.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"] Its obvious that each disc will have needed backbone area that the player will frequently take or be active in, the disc variation will simply be that of pushing the campaign forward, areas will you won't go back to and such elements of the game. Do you really think they havent planned this out.ArisShadows

It doesn't even need to be side quests. FFXII had many monsters, that only dropped a specific item, in a specific zone. This has happened in plenty of other JRPG's too. It's entirely possible, that any point, you could need to "farm" these items, for whatever reasons, but need to revisit an older area. This would most likely result in a disc change.

I'm not saying you're going to be changing discs every 15 minutes all the time, but instead, in a side quest rush, mass item farm. In that case, it's entirely possible, that you'd run in to this problem at a rate possibly even more frequent. Or maybe it'd be once every 45 minutes. Point is, it's a problem.

I love disc swapping. Seriously, is this all that cows have to claim "ownage" on? How sad.

This is an outrage, the fact I have to get up and change disks to continue playing. Something must be done, I've got it I'll start an online Petition...

Those 5 disks look so cool. I grew up swapping disks so I wouldnt mind. Though I can't play the game anyway, don't have a 360 or ps3 sadly. There could be cool disk swapping screens on the 360 aswell, that would be nice.

It seems like a lot of people don't remember the drawbacks of multiple discs. Remember FFVII, VIII, and IX? In the last disc of each one there would always be some sort of a plot twist that would restrict access to many locations in the game. This was done because the ending FMVs took up too much room on the disc so the developers came up with these "plot twists" to save disc space.

Final Fantasy XIII will then cost more on 360 than PS3, since M$ charge devs more royalty fees if they use more than one disc.

That is either a really long game or a very uncompressed game.

fiscope

OR each disc has the entire map loaded onto it so you can explore whenever you want to, but each disc will only have certain story elements on it.

You're NOT gonna need to be swapping back and forth through discs. Cows blow it way out of proportion. that said, I prefere blu rays and only 1 disc.

This is horrible multiple disk + loading times for install means alot of coffee breaks very bad stuff.

mgsfan1189

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"] Well, I'm going off some of the last gen JRPG's I've played, but you'd generally pop to one older area, have a 10~20 minute "quest" there, thenyou'd go back to the newer one to "hand it in" as such. You could end up doing this any number of times within 3 hours.

This is, of course, only when you're doing side-quests and the like. The main story is unlikely to have much of an issue, as you'll be following a very linear path, I imagine.

It's just a nuisance that really does negatively impact the experience.

jonnyt61

That would be silly. Why would you make a quest on 1 disc and finish it off in another disc? :?

havent played so4 but read reviews where the disc swapping was a big negative because of this. so might be a bigger deal than once every 10-15 hrs

[QUOTE="mgsfan1189"]

This is horrible multiple disk + loading times for install means alot of coffee breaks very bad stuff.

FloWeN-UK

You do realise that even with the slow speed of the blu ray drive it still takes info in as fast as the dvd-9 in your 360 right? Actually i think a little faster.

It has nothing to do with the blu ray drive. it has to do with the fact that the machine is capable of installing games so the dev make use of this in order to get faster loading textures and maps.

oh noes people have to get up and change a disc,you sure showed them TC :roll:

Kandlegoat

Disc swapping every few hours really is no big deal.Tykain

[QUOTE="Tykain"]Disc swapping every few hours really is no big deal.mgs_freak91

Disc swapping every few hours really is no big deal.Tykain

FloWeN-UK

What is it with you people are your BS exagerations for the MGS4 install times. its 1-2 mins per act but 3 mins for act 5, and its a good time to go to the bathroom or get a drink. But seriously anyone who says the game has 10 min installs before each act has zero crediblity.

zarshack

Point being, I could swap discs 100 times in the time it takes for MGS4 to load it's next chapter. And I wouldn't even be trying in 3 minutes. And the games install before you even play the game is briefly 10 minutes. Lol if I needed a break I'd just pause the game. Fact of the matter is, your forced to wait. Wait far longer than any disc swap. LOL the game may aswell have crappy loading speeds and no installs anyway cause your forced to wait anyway.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

What is it with you people are your BS exagerations for the MGS4 install times. its 1-2 mins per act but 3 mins for act 5, and its a good time to go to the bathroom or get a drink. But seriously anyone who says the game has 10 min installs before each act has zero crediblity.

FloWeN-UK

Point being, I could swap discs 100 times in the time it takes for MGS4 to load it's next chapter. And I wouldn't even be trying in 3 minutes. And the games install before you even play the game is briefly 10 minutes. Lol if I needed a break I'd just pause the game. Fact of the matter is, your forced to wait. Wait far longer than any disc swap.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

What is it with you people are your BS exagerations for the MGS4 install times. its 1-2 mins per act but 3 mins for act 5, and its a good time to go to the bathroom or get a drink. But seriously anyone who says the game has 10 min installs before each act has zero crediblity.

zarshack

Point being, I could swap discs 100 times in the time it takes for MGS4 to load it's next chapter. And I wouldn't even be trying in 3 minutes. And the games install before you even play the game is briefly 10 minutes. Lol if I needed a break I'd just pause the game. Fact of the matter is, your forced to wait. Wait far longer than any disc swap.

Killzone 2 didn't require an install. Uncharted didn't require an install.

Cacom seems to be the only dev really abusing the install ability. even if FF needs to install. It wouldn't be like MGS i can assure you of that. I'll eat this post if that happens.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

What is it with you people are your BS exagerations for the MGS4 install times. its 1-2 mins per act but 3 mins for act 5, and its a good time to go to the bathroom or get a drink. But seriously anyone who says the game has 10 min installs before each act has zero crediblity.

zarshack

Point being, I could swap discs 100 times in the time it takes for MGS4 to load it's next chapter. And I wouldn't even be trying in 3 minutes. And the games install before you even play the game is briefly 10 minutes. Lol if I needed a break I'd just pause the game. Fact of the matter is, your forced to wait. Wait far longer than any disc swap.

FloWeN-UK

Wasnt arguing against your point, but it was obvious you never played MGS4 and you are a fanboy making stuff up. Fact is not every PS3 has a mandatory installation in the first place.

It doesn't matter if I was lying or exaggerating. My point still stands. You are forced to wait more time than any disc swap. Therefore that makes any augument against disc swaping = VOID. Thread done. Peace out. Enjoy your forceful installations cows.FloWeN-UK

Wasnt arguing against your point, but it was obvious you never played MGS4 and you are a fanboy making stuff up. Fact is not every PS3 has a mandatory installation in the first place.

Stupid quotes keep messing up.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

zarshack

Wasnt arguing against your point, but it was obvious you never played MGS4 and you are a fanboy making stuff up. Fact is not every PS3 has a mandatory installation in the first place.

[QUOTE="Screamteam411"]Seriously, who cares? Remember FFVII? No one cared about changing discs...senses_fail_06

if we try to evolve from generation to generation then why does the PS3 have a ten year old controller.

The majority of games do though and I expect FF13 to follow. It will be a big game. The demo alone was 5 GBs. FloWeN-UK

**** you M$oft now I have to do some ****ing exercise and get of my fat ass I should sue yous instead for the price of a forklift and it's operator.

I'm not like that really I do **** loads of exercise, I can do 55 press ups in 1 set, proper ones aswell all the way down all the way up.

Yeah ill take 5 seconds to swap a disc, while you cows wait 5 minutes to install the game

Consoles have been swapping disks since disks began, installations are the new thing they have to get used to.

Holy **** 5 Discs for one game??! Thats freaking badass im so getting the 360 version.

"Disc swapping is so ten years ago!!1"

People do know that cartridges came first for console gaming right? You know... those things that you didn't need to swap out? You swap discs out each time you want to play a different full game, 5 discs just makes it more epic IMO...

And ironically, 5 DVD discs is still probably cheaper then one Blueray disc.

"Disc swapping is so ten years ago!!1"

People do know that cartridges came first for console gaming right? You know... those things that you didn't need to swap out? You swap discs out each time you want to play a different full game, 5 discs just makes it more epic IMO...

And ironically, 5 DVD discs is still probably cheaper then one Blueray disc.

Prof_Aspen

[QUOTE="Prof_Aspen"]

"Disc swapping is so ten years ago!!1"

People do know that cartridges came first for console gaming right? You know... those things that you didn't need to swap out? You swap discs out each time you want to play a different full game, 5 discs just makes it more epic IMO...

And ironically, 5 DVD discs is still probably cheaper then one Blueray disc.

zarshack

OH! You put a period behind your "no"...That means you MUST be right even without proving it!

i don't mind disk swapping, but it really is 1 disk > 5 disk.Mckenna1845

That depends if it really does just run off that one disk, if it ends up like MGS4 and has to install frequently because of read speed issues; then the benefits of one disk are debatable.

no.

zarshack

At today's prices, yes actually.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="Prof_Aspen"]

"Disc swapping is so ten years ago!!1"

People do know that cartridges came first for console gaming right? You know... those things that you didn't need to swap out? You swap discs out each time you want to play a different full game, 5 discs just makes it more epic IMO...

And ironically, 5 DVD discs is still probably cheaper then one Blueray disc.

Prof_Aspen

OH! You put a period behind your "no"...That means you MUST be right even without proving it!

be careful not to bump your X360s while swapping discs
it will scratch the disc to pieces :/

your fanboy rant doesnt deserve proof, Find me proof of what you say before you make your ridiculous claims.

zarshack

One single layer Blu-ray disk, £4.03

Ten dual layer DVD disks, £4.13

[QUOTE="Screamteam411"]Seriously, who cares? Remember FFVII? No one cared about changing discs...senses_fail_06

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

no.

AnnoyedDragon

At today's prices, yes actually.

Ty for replying for me, just looked up the prices. Looking at blank Blu-ray (ya, ill get it right this time!) discs, the VERY lowest I can find is $12 Australian (on Ebay, and that is only an auction with no buyout, so around $15AUS normally I am guessing), while just in any random shop I can grab 50 DVD-R discs for 50cents each. Sure, Blu-ray may or may not be cheaper to make, but market value is still more important then actual value.

EDIT: BTW, in reply to the post I missed, it is hard to call me a fanboy when I don't have either a 360 or PS3 and don't really value one company above the other.

[QUOTE="Prof_Aspen"]

And ironically, 5 DVD discs is still probably cheaper then one Blueray disc.

zarshack

Let's see...a quick search on this site shows that 1 DVD-R sells for around about $0.30 per disc, while a Recordable Blu-ray (they really need a better name than Blu-ray) sells from $8-16.

It's not accurate, but...Prof_Aspen is right.

*edit* Why else would PS3 games be more expensive than 360 games?