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#1 BlackTragedy
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controller lag - fail. even after updates it still is there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPpS4485I0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqNZeD0uGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yJmVpmcSjE

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#2 ImSwordMan
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Those are all videos in feburary, when the game was still new, show us new videos

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#4 navyguy21
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lol, i agree that its a problem, but i guess some people get used to it. I still think they are a problem even after the patch. Luckily everyone online has the same handicap so it balances out :P
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#5 BlackTragedy
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Those are all videos in feburary, when the game was still new, show us new videos

ImSwordMan

there on youtube just look in the side bar.

btw why would i lie about saying a game for my only console sucks. I quit playing kz2 but every so often i try to go back and finish but the controller lag is SO annoying i quit after 5-10 mins. Today was one of those days. Today im mad.

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#6 CakeBalls
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[QUOTE="ImSwordMan"]

Those are all videos in feburary, when the game was still new, show us new videos

BlackTragedy

there on youtube just look in the side bar.

btw why would i lie about saying a game for my only console sucks. I quit playing kz2 but every so often i try to go back and finish but the controller lag is SO annoying i quit after 5-10 mins. Today was one of those days. Today im mad.

haven't played KZ2 since last week, let me go and check it out now. Should be back in a few minutes with a verdict.
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#7 OPuniverse
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They still havent fix this problem yet? I try the demo a few days ago and yea the lag is kind of frustrating, but im still insist on playing this game because i'll probably get use to it eventually.

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#8 wooooode
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I love the first video he is tapping the button as soft as he can for KZ2 and actually hitting and sometimes holding the button down for WAW. Real consistant, I really did not play KZ2 a whole lot but did not notice a problem with it not shooting or shooting late.
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#9 KHAndAnime
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Is this still a problem? I was planning on getting this game but I can't stand input lag.
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#10 VendettaRed07
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In real life there is the same delay from when you pull the trigger till the bullet actually comes out of the gun.

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#11 Gxgear
Member since 2003 • 10425 Posts

The controller "lag" is intended for a weighted feel.

You can turn it off.

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#12 tok1879
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In real life there is the same delay from when you pull the trigger till the bullet actually comes out of the gun.

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Wow! This is up there among the .....est things i ever heard. KZ2 is a good game. The input lag thing they put there was extremely stupid in my opinion. That same lag exists in Gears when you're using the heavy stationed gun and it makes more sense in that application. Glad they released the firmware to fix it, but now it's all just messy, some people are used to it and actually think it's realistic, while some don't like it.
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#13 jessesalinas
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In real life there is the same delay from when you pull the trigger till the bullet actually comes out of the gun.

VendettaRed07

:| ................ :lol::lol::lol::lol:

i really hope you are Joking.

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#14 nhh18
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MW2 has more than that according to Beyond3d.

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#15 nhh18
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This is where kz2 haters are completely nutty. There was no controller lag that wasn't comparable to every other game.

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#16 alextherussian
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In real life there is the same delay from when you pull the trigger till the bullet actually comes out of the gun.

VendettaRed07
Yeah, and you experience that in the same way that you would experience waiting to see light when you flick a switch. Are you actually serious?
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#17 II_Seraphim_II
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ITS NOT CONTROLLER LAG!!!! its mass. No one has twitch reflexes. your limbs and muscles weigh something, so when you move its not instant. It's like that ON PURPOSE. and didnt they release a patch to make the game more COD4-esque for all the people who believe every shooter should be a COD4 mod?
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ITS NOT CONTROLLER LAG!!!! its mass. No one has twitch reflexes. your limbs and muscles weigh something, so when you move its not instant. It's like that ON PURPOSE. and didnt they release a patch to make the game more COD4-esque for all the people who believe every shooter should be a COD4 mod?II_Seraphim_II
Worst excuse for input lag I've ever heard.
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#19 alextherussian
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ITS NOT CONTROLLER LAG!!!! its mass. No one has twitch reflexes. your limbs and muscles weigh something, so when you move its not instant. It's like that ON PURPOSE. and didnt they release a patch to make the game more COD4-esque for all the people who believe every shooter should be a COD4 mod?II_Seraphim_II
I dont think anyone is arguing that the lag exists due to some bad coding on the developers part. Its pretty clear its there for a reason...
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#20 finalfantasy94
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I never notiched this through all the hours I have played this game. People are blowing it way out of proportion.

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#21 opex07
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ITS NOT CONTROLLER LAG!!!! its mass. No one has twitch reflexes. your limbs and muscles weigh something, so when you move its not instant. It's like that ON PURPOSE. and didnt they release a patch to make the game more COD4-esque for all the people who believe every shooter should be a COD4 mod?II_Seraphim_II

You don't move according to your weight, reaction time is determined by your nervous system, most of your average movements happen in around .10 - .20 seconds for most people, which is hard to perceive. If movement didn't happen almost instantly it would be almost impossible to grab a small falling object.

Even if what you said was the case, the action happening in KZ2 not only requires you to react in such a way to move your thumbs, but also adds an additional time to that before it happens on screen , which isn't realistic.

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#22 nhh18
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oh this is before hte patch. Have no idea then :(.

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#23 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]ITS NOT CONTROLLER LAG!!!! its mass. No one has twitch reflexes. your limbs and muscles weigh something, so when you move its not instant. It's like that ON PURPOSE. and didnt they release a patch to make the game more COD4-esque for all the people who believe every shooter should be a COD4 mod?opex07

You don't move according to your weight, reaction time is determined by your nervous system, most of your average movements happen in around .10 - .20 seconds for most people, which is hard to perceive. If movement didn't happen almost instantly it would be almost impossible to grab a small falling object.

Even if what you said was the case, the action happening in KZ2 not only requires you to react in such a way to move your thumbs, but also adds an additional time to that before it happens on screen , which isn't realistic.

As you can see, this is not a coding glitch, its purposely made like that. This is a video game, and people tend to exaggerate for effect. In the same manner games like COD4 have super human aiming speed and reflexes, KZ2 has slower than normal human reaction speed to simulate mass. Sometimes you need to overdo something before it becomes noticeable. They released a patch though for people who want twitch shooters, so the whole point of this thread...is well, non-existant.
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#24 fiscope
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KZ2 feels great. Not every FPS is a twitchy Halo clone. Some prefer to go the realism route.

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#25 RadecSupreme
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controller lag - fail. even after updates it still is there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPpS4485I0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqNZeD0uGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yJmVpmcSjE

BlackTragedy

There is nothing to fix. Its the whiners that wanted COD controls.

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#26 kidcool189
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yes the input lag is still there, and yes it is meant to be there

at first i didnt like and was turned off by it, but i gave it some time and got used to it, and really enjoy the game now with it like this you can comfortably aim out in the open at people without worrying to much with getting picked off immediately

plus you gotta realize its not just you dealing with this, it is everyone else online dealing with the aiming, and even tho the game has been out for a while, a lot of people still suck and cant adapt to it... which then makes it easier for me to frag

ive seen people people waste whole clips right in fornt of me when im just moviing side to side not being able to take me out, then ill take the out with 5-7 shots...its all about learning to properly stafe-aim people, it seems like a dumb design choice at first(trust me, i know how crappy input lag can be sometimes, especially with pc gaming, and i use high refresh rate crt monitor to eliminate any trace of input lag) but once u play a lot and adapt to it, it feels good, and frags are very satisfactory

killzone 2 was built around with the "heavy" laggy feeling in aiming in mind, thats why its really not all too bad, it just makes it a different stlye of play

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#27 Furzjodler
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Looks like they set the value for maximum prerendered frames pretty high

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#28 Postal_Guy
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never had this tbh...

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#29 InfiniteBlak
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kz2 is for more skilled gamers, that dont like unrealisitc physics and prefer to aim the gun themselves w/o autoaim.
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#30 Bread_or_Decide
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I never notiched this through all the hours I have played this game. People are blowing it way out of proportion.

finalfantasy94
Agreed.
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#32 edo-tensei
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never got into killzone 2

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#33 clone01
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ITS NOT CONTROLLER LAG!!!! its mass. No one has twitch reflexes. your limbs and muscles weigh something, so when you move its not instant. It's like that ON PURPOSE. and didnt they release a patch to make the game more COD4-esque for all the people who believe every shooter should be a COD4 mod?II_Seraphim_II
well, whatever it is, it drives me nuts.
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#34 Sheepdisease
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The online multiplayer has very little input delay, it's only a problem in the single player until you get used to it.

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#35 eo_the_shaman
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i never had problems with Kz2 i think the people who complain about the controller just striaght up suck at the game

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#36 Zero_epyon
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controller lag - fail. even after updates it still is there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPpS4485I0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqNZeD0uGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yJmVpmcSjE

BlackTragedy
Fail. Controller lag doesn't exist and never existed. It was done intentionally by the devs to give you the perception of weight. Now realism doesn't count?
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#37 tok1879
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[QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]

controller lag - fail. even after updates it still is there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPpS4485I0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqNZeD0uGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yJmVpmcSjE

Zero_epyon
Fail. Controller lag doesn't exist and never existed. It was done intentionally by the devs to give you the perception of weight. Now realism doesn't count?

Yes it was done to give the perception of weight and is in no way the controller's fault, but it is perceived by the user as lag. And i laugh at all those who think it's realistic. I guarantee you that in killzone 3, the lag will not be the standard. They might add it there in the optional settings for people who like it and think it's "realistic."
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#38 Doctor-McNinja
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It's actually designed to simulate weight, it's not lag.
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#39 sikanderahmed
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fail thread is fail. controller lag was fixed LONG time ago

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#40 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]

controller lag - fail. even after updates it still is there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPpS4485I0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqNZeD0uGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yJmVpmcSjE

tok1879
Fail. Controller lag doesn't exist and never existed. It was done intentionally by the devs to give you the perception of weight. Now realism doesn't count?

Yes it was done to give the perception of weight and is in no way the controller's fault, but it is perceived by the user as lag. And i laugh at all those who think it's realistic. I guarantee you that in killzone 3, the lag will not be the standard. They might add it there in the optional settings for people who like it and think it's "realistic."

Funny my controller doesn't lag when playing other games. Of course it won't be. Since they already patched it because people complained about it. They'd rather have arcade style shooting. Again there was no lag. The player just didn't see it the same way. It didn't bother me though.
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#41 sikanderahmed
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Funny my controller doesn't lag when playing other games. Of course it won't be. Since they already patched it because people complained about it. They'd rather have arcade style shooting. Again there was no lag. The player just didn't see it the same way. It didn't bother me though.Zero_epyon

controller lag did exist and it was annoying....you could feel lag even in the menus...now dont tell me they were just trying to add weight to the menus as well.

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#42 rogerjak
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IMO, KZ2 controllers feel awesome. It was hard at 1st, but then you get used to it and realize not all games are COD/Halo mods.

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#43 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]Funny my controller doesn't lag when playing other games. Of course it won't be. Since they already patched it because people complained about it. They'd rather have arcade style shooting. Again there was no lag. The player just didn't see it the same way. It didn't bother me though.sikanderahmed

controller lag did exist and it was annoying....you could feel lag even in the menus...now dont tell me they were just trying to add weight to the menus as well.

Honestly to this day i don't notice it. perhaps it was menu loading i don't know.
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#44 sikanderahmed
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]Funny my controller doesn't lag when playing other games. Of course it won't be. Since they already patched it because people complained about it. They'd rather have arcade style shooting. Again there was no lag. The player just didn't see it the same way. It didn't bother me though.Zero_epyon

controller lag did exist and it was annoying....you could feel lag even in the menus...now dont tell me they were just trying to add weight to the menus as well.

Honestly to this day i don't notice it. perhaps it was menu loading i don't know.

no it wasnt menu loading...it was clearly controller lag and it was fixed when the update was released

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#45 Brainkiller05
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Try turning the CROSS COLOR REDUCTION FILTER setting on the PS3 to OFF/ON (depending if you have lag or not) I've heard a lot of people say that fixed the delay
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#49 Nick3306
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I like how everyone calls the controller lag a "Problem" but they intentionally put it int he game.
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#50 RadecSupreme
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I like how everyone calls the controller lag a "Problem" but they intentionally put it int he game.Nick3306

Most people are COD bots. They cant accept change.