This is why PC gaming isn't all it's cracked up to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

The current console market is disgusting, but that doesn't change the facts. I'm setting all that stuff aside. Again, bottom line is that the console market continually gets big budget games. I did not say all were great games.

Didn't work for the guys who tried to scam people for $50,000 for that "stalker-like" game.

The internet is powerful. If their names are attached (and they are with kickstarter), they can't get away with bullshit.

@-Damien-: Gonna reply to my post? I suspect the answer is a resounding no... You have no evidence.

Why are people complaining about Quality Control? I'm sure that there are tons of games the big 3 wish they could pull from their roster right now.

What a lame thread title guy. I thought you were brofists for a second lol. Like seriously..., this is a dilemma about early access policy, ...not PC; which has been discussed countless times. It's just another early access game that people took the risk of funding, KNOWING full well of the risk of trusting devs with your money. Just like any other investment. How does this warrant the lame title of "PC isn't all it's cracked up to be". You're not forced to invest your money with a "work-in-progress" title. It's just another option, So why hate? It seems like you're grasping at straws to fit your jaded agenda. It's an open platform, which is a huge plus for the industry. Therefore, people are free to fund projects at will. As well as PC still receives AAA titles, multiplats, etc.

But checking your post history, you seem to be another lame PC basher lol. At seems like you're pretty much stuck in your ways, so I'm just going to cut this conversation short. Good talk.

Yet another poster I wish hadn't made it to 500 I see.

Steam lacks quality control: PC gaming sucks

Steam starts applying quality control and removes bullshit: PC gaming still sucks

Man it just makes me smile to know I lead a happy life without any resentment against consoles :) I can only imagine how miserable some consolites are with their 24/7 grudge against PC

Thats a joke right?

Why? If you can define "big budget" by industry standards, then I may listen. I'll wait.

Big budgets aren't making console games any better though. They're getting worse due to devs not taking any chances. CoD, Assassin's Creed, yearly sports title, Battlefield and more found immense success and then got rehashed to death because publisher's can't wait to mine all the gold. That kind of business mentality isn't healthy and it reflects. Console gaming is a seller's market, PC gaming reflects what the people choose.

It needs licensed music, professional voice acting, huge ad budgets, licensing/publishing fees and lots of money set aside to pay for patches and whatnot.

And the PC gets big budget games. Star Citizen being one of them. Stop making out that the PC doesn't get those AAA releases when it does.

That's probably not enough... It also needs the Sun to revolve around the Earth. Only way.

You know you're fully capable of avoiding Early Access games right?

They're there for people who are interested in helping the development process of a game. In return for their feedback the developers give them the opportunity to play it while it's being made.

It's not an evil premise by any means.

Have you read the Money/Goals? For Three Hundred and Seventy Five MILLION we will include an additional ship. I mean what the ****. lol. That is just a fucking joke. So for five million dollars the team will include professional motion capture. First, isn't the whole project professional? Second, I thought this was a graphical beast, yet the professional motion capture is back in 2012?

This isn't the criteria. There isn't risk here. This is a team of people pulling fans along for the ride.

You would think people would like to have the option

Mocap doesn't age numbnuts. So a game has to be backed by a faceless corporation to be considered legit? I'll tell ya what makes SC better compared to the likes of GTA5. The SC devs are releasing each module to the public so they can asses the feedback from players as to where to make changes. Do you see that coming from those AAA devs like ND or R*? Are we mere mortals allowed to play and test the modes for GTA before release? If we could we might of been able to stop GTA Online from sucking so bad.

I think the term we are looking for here, "moving the goalposts".

Another troll attempt by huggles I see.

Care to link? What is the 375 million to which you refer?

Who was talking about goals? You specifically spoke of big budget games... This is a big-budget game, so sit down.

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There's no risk? Research the game... There are multiple portions of the game, including dog-fighting/FPS sections/Hangar modules + more to come.

What are you talking about?

One bad game makes an entire platform, which by the way is only growing in total yearly revenue while console and handheld gaming are dwindling substantially, a bad thing?

Okay then, I'm glad you are so fickle.

consoles actually don't many broken games, and now they all go through inspections before the console company allows the devs to release it on their platform. even mine craft didn't pass inspections and was delayed for ps4.

Yeah....Total War series is a great one....they haven't had any major issues.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_QK-lcW8a8

I played some games....something I don't think half of you actually do here.

And I don't know what you're talking about...I haven't abandoned anything.

Yup..one bad installment completely wipes the series grand success. *yawns*

Its still a big budget PC exclusive series.

before i respond, i'll preface this by reminding everyone of heirren's opening statement, "Have you read the Money/Goals?"

technically the amount required for that stretch goal's been incorrectly overreported by a factor of 100. it's 3.75 M dollars to reach the stretch goal of Aegis Dynamics Retaliator. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals the previous goal was 3.50 M so the inter-goal cost for the world to have the ship available was 250 K.

they probably mean they'll use a superior motion capture technique. they might be capturing at 1000 Hz for all we know. how many anatomical landmarks? has this method been done before? i don't know. furthermore, regarding whether 'the motion capture was done back in 2012', well it hasn't. Squadron 42 is still in production https://robertsspaceindustries.com/project-status

That's correct the risk is low for them. It's also fairly low for me, I only stand to lose about 80 USD, and at the moment I'm not at all worried about the safety of my investment.

I'm glad Star Citizen's employed that team of people. I'm sure they're all glad to have work. No worries if you're not convinced by the novel method of release - maybe once the game hits retail you could choose to consume it the traditional way. I for one welcome this transparent method of development, it has entirely different compromises to traditional published games (been consuming them for 25+ years).

I came here for ownage. Instead I only got confirmation that you're an idiot.

You aren't addressing the question... lawless was referencing the Question, in which Heirren failed to put a question mark...

Gamespot, proving the only way to put holes in PC is to make shit up

As if there isn't sort of thing going on constantly from the PC crowd.

If this board wasn't full of PC hermits who would kill someone over trying not to let the PC get any negative light maybe more ppl would be open to being part of the community.

Hell man...I don't want to be a part of the PC community here, if some of the ppl in this thread are what represent it. I was all for PC before coming here.

Yeah yeah..."we don't want you anyway".....right....then I'm glad we agree.

Dwindling, eh?

Is that why the PS4 is making record sales for consoles...and I believe the X1 is above what the 360 was in the same time frame.

I just recently learned about the flag system....since all you polite ppl gang up on all my posts and I couldn't post for a day....or 2....I dunno....so, I'll just keep it nice and say I flagged your post.

But nothing will happen...b/c I'm the only one who will flag your post...and if I say one word like you just did...every one of the PC hermits will flag me and only god will be able to handle that much free time.

PC gaming has lower standards, and Hermies eat it up. Publishers expect PC gamers to fix a broken ass game's bugs with mods. It's quite sad. Quality control is much better on Console. Games never get out of beta on PC these days.

Funny that PC gamers turn around and talk bad about blockbuster titles on console, as if actually having a story or narrative combined with solid gameplay is a bad thing. It's because they aren't used to such quality as Gears or Uncharted. On PC, because of limited budgets and talent in these small studios with no console maker backing, you have to choose either solid gameplay or a decent story- never both.

If the game has an interesting concept and story, the gameplay is dumbed down to point and click. If the gameplay is great, the game feels like an empty shell because they couldn't afford even a writer or story planner from a CW show.

Um, you can be moderated for flag abuse. And flagging too many posts will karma ban you...so keep it up

You called me an asshole...how is that not flaggable?

I intend on flagging every posts that calls me a name or insults my fiance...or anything like that.

If I get banned for doing that...then....yeah...this forum wasn't worth it. It's cool now though...now that I know about the flag system.

Because as far as I know it's not a moderatable offense

actually according to gamespot, PC has higher standards

Early access is coming to consoles as well, enjoy alpha testing Day z with us

Flagging you all.

Especially crownkingarthur for being such an exemplary poster week after week. Enjoy the vacay ;O

I thought that was part of the karma system......that the mods determine if the flag was worth it....I think it is.

I got 10 points or whatever and I called ppl names just like they called me names....so, the only thing I can go by is that sort of thing. I mean....all you PC guys have it out for me....not sure whats a modable offense if calling someone an asshole isn't.

Few ppl called my fiance fat....so....yet I got 10 points or whatever. So, gotta be the name calling.

Mod? Please clarify?

I swear its his monitor that has made his postings exemplary week after week.

You have to actually tag the mods or message them directly for them to see it. Just getting flagged/karma banned doesn't mean you got moderated. It just means that you either flagged ten posts or ten of your posts were flagged (or some mixture in between equaling ten). If you actually got moderated then they would tell you. And there are names you can't use on here

This "problem with PC gaming" is that everyone and their mother treat kickstarters like they're pre-orders. The only way people will break out of this mindset of this is if this was written bold and italicized rainbow text:
FUNDING A VIDEO GAME PROJECT ON KICKSTARTER IS NOT THE SAME AS PRE-ORDERING. BY FUNDING THIS PROJECT, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE RISK OF NOT GETTING ANYTHING IN RETURN.

Well, I don't use racist or sexist terms which I'm guessing are no-nos....such things like that.

I never said anything worse than what was said to me...so yeah...I'm guessing it was the PC hermits ganging up on me. Not whining...just my idea of what happened.

But, all I can get from the rule thread is that you flag a post and a mod deems it fit or not for a flag....so, you guys can keep being disrepsectful and insulting to me and all I can do is keep flagging you while I try to keep my cool.

If I get banned for such a thing, then so be it. Not sure how the rules are if the mod deems this insult ok, but not this one but this one is but not this one....save for racist and sexist stuff and the like.

Why can't you be civil like you are now....this is a much more pleasant lostrib.

You're new to this whole internet thing are you? Of course you're going to get called on by spewing bullshit platitudes about PC gaming.

Also nobody is forcing anyone (specifically PC gamers) to literally buy early access games, moron.

You assume too much....and your world is pretty small if you consider the Gamespot forums "this whole internet thing".

I wasn't referring to just these forums, I'm talking about pretty much any internet community site. But by the looks of it, you should go cry somewhere else about how supposedly PC gaming is not "what's it's cracked out to be."