This is why PC gaming isn't all it's cracked up to be.

yeah, let me know how that goes for you

That really has nothing to do with my post but thanks for 20 notifications I guess.

research. don't be an idiot. you're good. pc gaming isn't that hard.

None of you are making any sense.

So I'm just gonna go on about my business posting things that I don't like about PC....and you guys can go about your business of claiming war on little ole me, flagging every post thats negative about PC gaming.

B/c that seems to be about as deep as your lives go.

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Well that's fine. I mean if you spitball ideas forever, eventually you're bound to come up with one that isn't the worst thing ever.

As far as I know...it's not a flaggable offense.

• Directly attacking others, threats or inflammatory posts should not be tolerated, ever period.

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Is the TC trying to troll, or is he just always like this?

I've been away so long. Not sure who he is.

Hopefully he's been trying to troll... but, it's the latter.

@mr_huggles_dog: flagged again. You're on a roll

Is Huggles really AmazonAngry? What is going on here?

AmazonAngry is just someone elses alt though. It's hard to say where the troll chain ends.

Trollception

early access is how you fund a half-finished game that may never be finished.

They will get exposed. Even more likely if the dev teams names are mentioned.

To be fair, a much smaller percentage of the PC library are high budget AAA exclusive games. However, we live in a world where quality is not determined by budget, and games like Divinity: Original Sin (A budget of 4 million dollars) is proof you don't need flashy cutscenes and shiny graphics to be good.

That isn't to say PC doesn't get exclusive AAA games, StarCraft 2, AAA mmorpgs, The Sims and Total War are examples of AAA exclusives on PC.

yeah it was

thanks guys, and i always read your posts

...and whiskeys

lmfao! You always crack me the **** up rib. Cheers mate.

On topic: Huggles, quit acting like a victim. Everyone can sense your negative attitude about PC gaming through your posts. If you really had valid constructive criticism about it, and a much better attitude, people would consider your opinion. That's why no one cares to be honest. Your hatred seems worse than scottpsfan; and he was annoying as well. But whatever, do you playa...

Umm, if the opposite party disagrees with you, relying on the false pretense of a "general consensus" is not gonna convince anyone. If water is wet, why not get some water, and show us how it's wet?

Oh right, you don't want to do that.

@mr_huggles_dog: *Looks at thead title*

*Looks at use making the thread*

Yup... knew it would be some one liner anecdotal evidence. try harder... you fail miserably.

Releasing broken, unfinished buggy games?

Yeah, that never happens on consoles.

STFU Cranler. We all know it's you

@mr_huggles_dog: stop being a pussy, dont flag posts you don't aree with.

I'm not refering to you Scott, but, ofcourse PC doesn't get big budget exclusives.

PC isn't owned by a company that pays for the damm thing to be made anyway

Are people stupid? Nintendo, Sony and MS pay millions for their creating to sell their consoles. Nobody benefits from paying 50 million to make a game for pc only.

Which brings the question:

Where are all these big budget exclusives to 1 console not being payed by sony, nintendo or MS?

There aren't any, because nobody would ever do it. Every game nowadays is made with a PC version from the start. MGS V,Destiny, The Division, GTA V and FF XV, are tiny drops in an ocean of games thet are made for pc and console alike.

It's the age of multiplats, everyone.

When something has "Early Access", "Beta" or "Alpha" written in the title or description don't buy it. If you do buy something like that expect to only be able to play it in its current state.

The only exception to this rule is probably some of the bigger projects by known devs (people who have invested money and reputation into the project themselves). People with nothing to lose will not take a project seriously, and if it's their first project then they probably don't know what the hell they are doing.

It's not worth it you should just leave now, really you'd be much better off. Cya!!

For the most part, absolutely not. Like I said earlier, I agree. This aspect is what is wrong with the industry. Gamers of today seem to take anything that publishers throw at them. They'll even buy a game, complain about the game, and repeatedly buy these same games year in year out. I recently played Goldeneye--said this in another thread I believe--and even though the visuals are 320x240 with far lower poly counts/etc--the world feels more real than a lot of games of today because there is a sense of mystery and exploration and the player can generally go where is logical on most occassions.

But this is all besides the point. The point is, again, about BUDGETS and where publishers/developers are seeking out talent, and where these games are aimed to be released. For namesake lets just use Capcom(even though they're in the shitter). Let's say that a group of developers goes to capcom with a game build and says "we need x amount of dollars......we plan on releasing pc only because that is only how the game will work." Capcom would laugh in their faces. Now, lets say Capcom went out looking for talent/projects. Capcom would simply say, "this is great, we believe this is a good project, we will support you guys, and this will be made for xbox and playstation." This is the point at hand. Nothing I am saying has anything negative towards the pc format.

The problem that has been going on is that gamers don't seem to understand that where their money goes affects the product in return. I own a wiiu, I'd like maybe TWO legend of zeldas? But these dim wits on xbox and playstation apparently want 15 assassins creeds, 20 COD games, etc etc. If the gaming community really supported and bought into the pc market things would be another story. Been saying I think pc is going to be the up and coming platform for quite some time now because of all these negatives surrounding consoles. Wiiu and PC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop

Lets look at this of most expensive games.

7 are not on PC and 3 seperate systems are needed to play them (1 Dreamcast, 3 Xbox 360 and 3 PS3)

8 are PC exclusive, including the second highest budget for any game (SW:TOR)

The rest are multiplat and on or coming too PC very soon (GTA V)

You may want to re-evaluate your thoughts on this.

A garbage games getting cancelled does not make a system bad, it shows that Steam are trying to protect their customers, as any good biusiness would do. How many console exclusives and multiplats have been cancelled this year?

He does come across as a cry baby.

This thread has went from complaining about Steam taking down unplayable games(which is a good thing) to PC not having a ton of costly games lol. I don't see the problem. Divinity OS is the best game I've played from this year and I highly doubt it cost 100 mil to make. I'll take Divinity, Wastelands 2, and Beyond Earth while most of you wait for something to play.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-the-old-republic-cost-200-million-to-develop/1100-6348959/

Lets play a game then. Name how many big AAA tier games are launched on consoles, which in turn are not owned by a console maker (the 2nd party devs so to speak). You seem to be fairly blind to the fact that it is not that PC have been losing exclusives or faith of the devs and Publishers, but all systems have. Unless you are given a ton of Money to make it exclusive (which most Pubs and devs wont do btw, since it is near always a loss in the long haull). Txclusives are Down to those WHO own the platform, and thier internal studios, and sadly most MS and Sony based games deems to come out on the pc aswell anyways.

Basicly why tailor a game to one platform, when you can make the game Work on all platforms? You might not like Kinect or PS move, but the truth was that it was not the interface that was the issue, but that certain game aspects had to be tailored specifically to Work on only one platform.

I agree to an extent. It is sort of the ultimate point, right? People here don't seem to reason and assume that one is bashing a platform if a statement doesn't whole heartedly praise said platform. Name big games launched on consoles? More or less every 3rd party game is a console game, where the pc is an enhanced port. It is quite sad. You are right it doesn't make sense to not release on all platforms, but if the pc was a sole viable platform for a game then it would happen more often. Just look at Crysis. This game pushed pc hardware to the fullest extent. Now look at the sequel. It is a game stripped down to work on consoles. You are right though--it is more complicated than what is being discussed. The problem is the console(sony and ms) pricing infrastructure as there's no way that pc gamers would let the dlc stuff fly, and you can add nintendo gamers into that mix as well; its the real reason the wiiu doesn't see as much support.

The unfortunate part of all this is how game design seems to have reached this peak where its more akin to the film business--produce a product, buy it, and on to the next one. Get them out as fast as possible and let the consumer eat them up.

Why tailor a game to one platform? Well, there's risk involved, but if done right it can send the developers into the stratosphere.

Early access is a joke in any game on any platform.

@Heirren: I just want to interject here. You mention that games are made for console then ported to the PC. I would disagree with that statement. You can't call every 3rd game a console game, do you know what the word multiplat means? There can be lots of reasons why such a game does not make to PC. One of which could very well be that there is little to no interest for it from PC gamers. Another could be that the developer doesn't have the staff with the knowledge to port said game. They could of gotten money from a console maker I.E. Bayonetta 2.

Now, I won't disagree with you that consoles are where the money is but as we've seen this gen that money has turned an industry that we all once loved and cherished into a greed fueled monster that will stop at nothing to continue riding the gravy train. I firmly believe that the PC will save gaming. It is an environment where small time devs can flourish, where they can get their big break. PC gamers are more inclined to try new things that aren't backed by massive publishers writing blank cheques. PC gamers support games for a lot longer than their console brethren.

Now, its not without its downsides. Steam as of late has become a cesspool of "Early Access" stuff, some of which have been PR disasters which does taint the image of PC gaming. That being said, a lot of those early access programs have been very successful and have allowed gamers to play things they may of not been interested in. It also gives devs access to players who can help and guide them through making a game. Take the game Space Engineers for example. Every Thursday they release a patch that contains new content and bug fixes. They then get feedback from the community which can be changed and fixed by the next patch.

To say that PC exclusives need to have big flashy graphics is moot. Gamers now have wised up the fact that flashy graphics does not make a bad game good.

Also, its nice to have a good discussion on this subject without the usual fanboy bullshit. I applaud you sir.

By sticking your hand in it.

I get what it stems from.

People see gameplay of a game and think "I want to play this NOW, not wait until release"

But there is a reason games take so long from initial showing to finished product. It's because games are broken, unfinished and full of bugs before release (and some even on release)

So people just need to be patient. And stop throwing their money at devs who've proven nothing and who may be new to making a game. Some of those kickstarter, early access devs have no idea what budget they need or how to spend that budget eficiently.

I would never trust such a dev with my money. But other PC gamers seem to trust them just fine... leading to Towns disaster and this disaster.

And Valve is just happy that it takes 33% from the sales of broken, unfinished games.

Yup. A free demo is ok I guess, but I wont pay for early access Kieckstarter games.

I don't spend my money on early access and indie garbage.

the banner saga and divinity original sin are great early access Kick starter games and soon star citizen

btw most of ps4 games are indie games

Hahaha, Roommate...Riiiiiiiight :p

Poor sad cranler

I also think PC gaming will rise, and Nintendo will sit beside that format. Interest in games has risen drastically. The people bringing it down are the kids that grew up with the more recent form of purchasing content. In a way it isn't their fault as they know it no other way. Eventually these people grow up and realize what is going on. I bought a ps4 because there are games that will come to Sony--namely Uncharted 4--that I know will be exclusive. Part of me regrets it though. I never use it and I'm also supporting something that I know is dangerous territory for a healthy industry. But yes, as people mature they will eventually seek out the most viable platform, one which seems to be the pc as over time more and more people are recognizing it.

People you and myself and most others here already know, but when major game websites start posting articles regarding the benefits of pc and more specifically how to build a gaming rig--that is big news, as little as people may make it out to be. There's customization and a culture specifically to pc. Customization in terms of tech but also in appearance. People like that sort of thing. Personally I see the pc format being streamlined somewhat in the way things are built. More plug in play. Not like consoles, but lets say more akin to being snap together vs glue together. Yes I know it isn't that difficult to build a pc but from an outsiders perspective it can seem quite daunting.

Another hurdle pc faces is one of its benefits, steam itself. Great deals, yes. However, there needs to be a concrete digital download tos/law set in stone. The storefront is also horribly setup. Again, to people already familiar to DD it may be simple, but if you look at it from an outsiders perspective there's a lot of content that gets lost in the shuffle. Then there's the children factor of going to a store and holding a game. Seems silly to adults but I know when I was a kid my copy of Ninja Gaiden was an entity more than just the code within the game.

Yes. Getting the better version of most games.

Really sad. Oh and multiplats aren't always ports.