This is Why The Witcher 2 Will Never Be As Good As Skyrim.

Let me start my saying i picked up the Witcher 2 for 360 and i absolutely love it, story, graphics, gameplay, combat, spells...everything.

However there is a flaw in the game, i was up to the part where, while in the village i must gather what i need for the Yrden trap to fight against the Kayran.

Well for those who know the game, i collected everything i needed except the iron frame for the trap, so i proceeded to sneak around the back of Loredo's house to the sealed off area where the iron frame is kept, i was able to get passed one guard but was seen by the other.

Then the game goes into a cut scene with Loredo, who infact asked me to kill the kayran so i thought i would either be given the iron frame i needed or be able to kill it without it, but no such luck with either thought, infact the indecent proposal quest was ended and i was not able to go back and get the iron frame from the chest.

By the time i realized i absolutely needed it to defeat the kayran and proceed with the game, i had already completed 3 more quests.

I only had 6 save files 3 auto saves and 3 of my own, and none of them went as far back as before the indecent proposal quest or before the cutscene with Loredo.

I'm now forced to start the game over after nearly 9 hours of gameplay put in thus far, or i will be stuck in this seaside village for good.

In Skyrim this doesn't happen, oh you can fail a quest but you will always be able to continue on in the game and finish countless other quests, and in my mind thats a true open world rpg.

Now fanboys will probably blame me and my lack of game saves, but c'mon i had 6 saves and it still left me no choice but to start the game over, ok i know the choices effect the way game plays out, but it's not supposed to hinder your progress, thats where they should've taken a lesson from Skyrim.

and in my mind thats a true open world rpg.

Slimmin360

Witcher 2 isn't an open world RPG.

It still exceeds it in every aspect, even exploring.

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i effed up a quest therefore Skyrim > Witcher.:lol:

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i effed up a quest therefore Skyrim > Witcher.:lol:

rumbalumba

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

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i effed up a quest therefore Skyrim > Witcher.:lol:

Slimmin360

You should put spoilers in the title, anyway I don't remember needing a yrden trap, I remember there's a device or something that you have to assemble, but in the end I really don't remember getting anything but the poison potion...

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i effed up a quest therefore Skyrim > Witcher.:lol:

rumbalumba

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There wasn't any need to start over again. On my first play through (PC version) I got caught whilst trying to sneak behind loredo's house, but I could still beat the Kayran... Mario_Eater

"In Skyrim this doesn't happen, oh you can fail a quest but you will always be able to continue on in the game and finish countless other quests, and in my mind thats a true open world rpg."

Probably because, unlike Skyrim, your choices MEAN SOMETHING in TW2? :roll:

Does that not show you that the story in TW2 is so much better than you actually had the desire to go back and fix it? Basically, you said Skyrim is the better game, 'cause it's the worse game.

And TW2's not open world, if you couldn't figure that out, then either it's atmosphere was so expertly constructed that you failed to realize it's a corridor, or you're just 'that' stupid.

[QUOTE="Mario_Eater"]There wasn't any need to start over again. On my first play through (PC version) I got caught whilst trying to sneak behind loredo's house, but I could still beat the Kayran... Slimmin360

You don't need the Kayran trap to beat the Kayran, it's just a extra advantage. You can beat it with Yrden sign, sword swings and lots of dodge rolling.

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"][QUOTE="Mario_Eater"]There wasn't any need to start over again. On my first play through (PC version) I got caught whilst trying to sneak behind loredo's house, but I could still beat the Kayran... Crossel777

You don't need the Kayran trap to beat the Kayran, it's just a extra advantage. You can beat it with Yrden sign, sword swings and lots of dodge rolling.

And honestly, you guys think THIS mistake is bad? Try getting a few important characters killed in ME3 because of a stupidly designed dialogue system that doesn't let you know when a choice is being judged as paragon/renegade or not. I still lived with it and kept playing.

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

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i effed up a quest therefore Skyrim > Witcher.:lol:

Slimmin360

[QUOTE="Mario_Eater"]There wasn't any need to start over again. On my first play through (PC version) I got caught whilst trying to sneak behind loredo's house, but I could still beat the Kayran... Slimmin360

"In Skyrim this doesn't happen, oh you can fail a quest but you will always be able to continue on in the game and finish countless other quests, and in my mind thats a true open world rpg."

Probably because, unlike Skyrim, your choices MEAN SOMETHING in TW2? :roll:

Does that not show you that the story in TW2 is so much better than you actually had the desire to go back and fix it? Basically, you said Skyrim is the better game, 'cause it's the worse game.

And TW2's not open world, if you couldn't figure that out, then either it's atmosphere was so expertly constructed that you failed to realize it's a corridor, or you're just 'that' stupid.

Inconsistancy

I got caught too....still killed it.

Huh? :? You don't need anything to defeat the Kayran, you can defeat it without even drinking Ostmurk, it's just harder.

i just read the first post so i don't know if its been answered but that quest is n9ot mandatory to finish the kayran, it only gives you insta kill of one tentacle.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

"In Skyrim this doesn't happen, oh you can fail a quest but you will always be able to continue on in the game and finish countless other quests, and in my mind thats a true open world rpg."

Probably because, unlike Skyrim, your choices MEAN SOMETHING in TW2? :roll:

Does that not show you that the story in TW2 is so much better than you actually had the desire to go back and fix it? Basically, you said Skyrim is the better game, 'cause it's the worse game.

And TW2's not open world, if you couldn't figure that out, then either it's atmosphere was so expertly constructed that you failed to realize it's a corridor, or you're just 'that' stupid.

Sushiglutton

Even though TW2's combat sucks, it's still miles better at it than any TES game. And it has a story + atmosphere!

The trap isn't necessary to kill the Kayran. TC's point is null and void.

TC is bad at video games. Stick to Casualrim.

It is always funny to see casual gamers trying to play a real RPG

I wonder what would happen if you played Dark Souls !!!!!!!! Where you constatly loose hours and hours of farming from lost souls

BTW, you dont have to restart the game, this is not a bug, you can still beat everything even if you make these "mistakes"

Just go and beat the Kyran, use signs to bind it

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"]

and in my mind thats a true open world rpg.

ChubbyGuy40

Witcher 2 isn't an open world RPG.

It still exceeds it in every aspect, even exploring.

It exceeds it in every aspect, except exploring. I prefer the Witcher 2 as a game, but undoubtedly Skyrim is better for exploration, everything else the Witcher 2 does better.

TL;DR

but judging by the responses it's a load of crap anyway

Both games have issues with their questing system. I had to go into the cmd window in Skyrim and fix a quest because I had picked up an item too soon and it wouldn't register later that I had the item. If Skyrim (PC) wasn't so moddable I wouldn't have been able to fix the quest.

I found that most games with large quest trees have this issue.

You don't need to have that iron frame to defeat it.

It only unlocks an anchievement.

TL;DR

but judging by the responses it's a load of crap anyway

seanmcloughlin

Didn't even know a trap was an option. I just killed the hell out of it with the sign and my silky smooth skills.

There are no comparisons to make between skyrim and the witcher. Two completely different games.

It is always funny to see casual gamers trying to play a real RPG

I wonder what would happen if you played Dark Souls !!!!!!!! Where you constatly loose hours and hours of farming from lost souls

BTW, you dont have to restart the game, this is not a bug, you can still beat everything even if you make these "mistakes"

Just go and beat the Kyran, use signs to bind it

loosingENDS

By the time i realized i absolutely needed it to defeat the kayran and proceed with the game...

Slimmin360

That's where you're wrong. I've never even heard of this quest to build a trap for the Kayran and I've beaten it twice now. Until I read through this thread all I thought you needed going in was the Ostmurk, but even that isn't required. How's that for open-ended?

I think its an outstanding game, graphics, gameplay story etc but it does have key flaws. One I have never played the first one and when they explain alot of the backstory I have no clue whats going on. But its biggest issue is the fact that theres no new game + option. When you try to beat the game again using a diffrent path you get to keep nothing and you have to start all over again.

I don't see why people are jumping on the dude's nuts for this, it's a honest mistake.

I don't see why people are jumping on the dude's nuts for this, it's a honest mistake.

GD1551

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I don't see why people are jumping on the dude's nuts for this, it's a honest mistake.

lightleggy

Even still, a bit of overraction don't you think?

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"][QUOTE="Mario_Eater"]There wasn't any need to start over again. On my first play through (PC version) I got caught whilst trying to sneak behind loredo's house, but I could still beat the Kayran... Crossel777

You don't need the Kayran trap to beat the Kayran, it's just a extra advantage. You can beat it with Yrden sign, sword swings and lots of dodge rolling.

Honestly, TW2 and Skyrim are some what uncomparable. TES is more about teh world than exporation. And is a more "RPG" game if you will since you can almost do what you want. The Witcher 2 is more focused on story, so it should be compared more so to JRPG's or other RPG's like it. Would you compare TW2 to Fire Emblem? They are both RPG's, but should not be compared. Skyrim has a little niche in that is not heavily story driven, so should eb compared to games like Mount & Blade.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I don't see why people are jumping on the dude's nuts for this, it's a honest mistake.

GD1551

Even still, a bit of overraction don't you think?

This thread is an over-reaction.

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

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i effed up a quest therefore Skyrim > Witcher.:lol:

Slimmin360

You made a choice, you get the consequences.

In Skyrim everything's herp derp, you finish the quest and that's it.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

It is always funny to see casual gamers trying to play a real RPG

I wonder what would happen if you played Dark Souls !!!!!!!! Where you constatly loose hours and hours of farming from lost souls

BTW, you dont have to restart the game, this is not a bug, you can still beat everything even if you make these "mistakes"

Just go and beat the Kyran, use signs to bind it

Grawse