Time to boycott GTA6.

GTA6 is unreleased and nothing of substance has been shown to comment about the kind of jokes in the game.

Way more often people are not telling jokes and are being downright disrespectful. Often enough the same people who hide behind the "it is just a joke" shield are the most sensitive.

@R4gn4r0k: Im cool with the jokes, but the racist and sexist jokes need to be toned down. I dont want my young diverse women and men being disrespected in such a derogatory way. Also, online mode needs to be better with stopping online harassment.

lol

Arthur Morgan is mine. Don't praise him.

A joke can be both racist and sexist without being disrespectful.

RDR2 is overrated game. but story and characters are only thing they done right.

infact its a CGI TV show pretend to be video game.

Excellent TV show, bad video game.

Not a bad video, but a lacking one.

Incredibly correct. Incredibly so.

Desperados III better. But not mainstream critics fap to it because not bribed by Rockstar. And thinking game. Casual console users confused.

Same with GTA4 and Metal Gear Solid 4. Disgusting opinions.

100% disagree. Jokes often times hit because of the absurdity and shocking nature of the content. Comedians don't set out to be disrespectful, their objective is to make people laugh. Most comedians that receive backlash for being "offensive," (Dave Chappelle) go after all races, religions, backgrounds etc. And folks are usually fine until their group becomes the topic of the joke. They are fine with laughing AT others, but become too sensitive when it's their turn. Again, the jokes are not from a place of hate, and just because people are laughing doesn't mean they have an "ist" or "ism" towards them.

Folks are so committed to being offended and a victim, that things as harmless as comedy are under attack. People have too much time on their hands, and have lost sight of things that really matter in life... Look at ResetEra. Saying things such as, "I don't believe all white people are racist" is seen as an attack, excusing racism, and a bannable offense. We now live in a world where being offended is an identity. And large groups of people are becoming more and more unreasonable by the day, just to feel like they're a part of that group. It's freakin' crazy

@R4gn4r0k: yep that's just dumb and ridiculous, Rockstar needs to be slapped. It's not just minorities, but jokes against the "majority", the lgbtq, the disabled/able, people with medical conditions etc etc. It's pretty much all jokes against ANY group. Frankly I feel insulted they are taking this route. Just means Rockstar has sold out and they can go screw themselves.

I've never seen it summarized this well.

I think you have written exactly what I've seen going on on the internet for the past 10 years now. The number of offended people is rising every minute. Worst of all the online behaviour is dripping slowly into real life.

And in the end nobody dares create anything anymore. Everyone is just the spectator, preferably the offended spectator, contributing absolutely jack all.

Trevor was pretty much the saving grace of GTA5. One of my favorite characters in any game lol

hopefully the new entry will have that same magic

Eh. Way ahead of you as Take Two is a shit.

.... who am I kidding? it's mostly disinterest.

R* has always been about the whacky characters for me: Yusuf Amir in GTA IV, Seth in RDR, .... Trevor was a great character but was also the exception in that game with a lot of the story and cast getting more serious (in GTA style of course).

Even the missions were a lot more 'serious' in GTA V with a lot more fail states and a lot less freedom.

For a Redneck, Travor was an interesting character for sure. I was much closer to Franklin only because I see Franklin as if he came from The Boondocks show lol.

Yeah, don't care about the female character, more concerned about this.

I think there are two groups here, one malicious and one that just wants to have fun:

I think one group likes making fun of marginalized groups in media because it validates their bigotry. Screw these people.

While I think other read this and think "Oh they're not going to talk shit at all? That's lame" because they like that sense of humor; not specifically at marginalized groups, but just sort of being smartasses or talking a bit of shit to folks.

GTA has always had a crude, rough, edgy humor to it and I don't imagine that's going anywhere. At least I hope not. I just think they might tone down the racist jokes, or jokes about handicap, etc.

TL;DR: I don't think we have to worry about GTA going "woke", you can still have crude humor and not be an asshole.

I see Franklin as your typical GTA character: working his way up the ladder of the crime world.

And then Trevor and Michael really drove the story, with their actions before and during GTA V influencing the world around them.

.."but I did kidnap his wife!"

Gotta admit, that was funny.

About damn time that they had a female protagonist. I’m down with that. Also not worried about them sacrificing any satirical aspect in the game.

I am not sure where your 100% disagreement is being demonstrated. If you disagree with what I stated then you are saying that a joke cannot be racist or sexist without being disrespectful. That is just false.

Comedians are able to discern the differences and the ones who succeed in their careers understand the nuisance.

Terms like racist and sexist are terms used to describe behaviors and ideas. When people are categorized in those areas they are offended. They tend to be the people who participate in or enjoy mean-spirited "jokes".

If your joke is based on stereotypes of race or sex, it becomes a racist or sexist joke. The quality of the joke is not in question but the content can be objectively classified as racist or sexist. Folks, love to be offended when people correctly categorize things or call them out for what they are. That doesn't mean it can't be funny and it doesn't automatically make it disrespectful.

Comedy can be harmless but it is absolutely false to claim it is harmless by default. I can post many "comedic" images of US history that no reasonable person would claim to be harmless humor. It is clear that you have fallen victim to the falsehood of "it is just jokes" and have facilitated harmful views under this falsehood.

Based on your response, I don't expect you to understand the differences or the point being made. You are most likely going to simplify it to some basic drivel of "folks are committed to being offended and a victim".🙄

Because there's a playable female protag???

agreed, its a fantastic post.

where did I say that. I'm fine with that. I just don't like them censoring the jokes and insults, stereotypes, racism, xenophobia etc. GTA is a parody of the real world and it needs to stay that way.

I cannot say that I disagree.

Jokes based on stereotypes of race and sex are usually funny because there's some comedic truth to them. Black comedians make fun of black people not being punctual, enjoying fried chicken, smoking menthol cigarettes, etc. They poke fun at white people for being corny, having no rhythm, not seasoning their food etc and its fine 99.999% of the time. I can go on and on with other races and stereotypes. This was NEVER a problem until a few years ago. Again, being offended has become an identity. And humans being as tribal as they are, will throw out any and all nuance in order to be part of a team. And here we are.

And how are jokes "harmful?" They weren't "harmful" before 2016... And this term "punching down" is bullshit, because these comedians, and these jokes don't come from a place of superiority. If they are punching, it's straight ahead from a place of equality. Everybody should be able to get these jokes... We should all be able to laugh at ourselves, and each other equally. All the great comedians made jokes that covered they entire spectrum of race, religion and sexual orientation. And today, if Eddie Murphy, George Carlin, Richard Prior, Robin Williams etc were out making comedy, they would all be "canceled."

Feeling "disrespected" by jokes, actual jokes from a comedian or comedic writer is a choice. And silencing these folks for doing less than the comedy pioneers did is wild... Making a race based joke isn't racist. There's no ill intent. No racial superiority. No hate. The joke is written to make people laugh. That's the opposite of what you are trying to label them as...

Folks that have never experienced any real adversity in their life, and that have accomplished little to nothing, are trying to re-write the rules of society in order to make themselves feel better. So now we all have to exclusively listen to clean comedians because jokes about Hot Pockets and jet-skis can't be interpreted as offensive. Yet... Come on...

I wonder what happened to him? I too miss FreedomFreak😢

It will be a challenge writing a GTA nowadays because like they've said, the world became the caricature. Everybody being offended by everything I don't think it's much if an issue for them since GTA always profited from that.

As for abandoning lazy humour I'm all for that, a more grounded GTA could still be satirical in nature while aspiring to be more. RDR2 was a good step up although for the masses aiming higher usually means commercial failure.

Still imo GTA5 was a great snapshot of our society at that time and I would like for 6 to be a more mature version of that.

@davillain: He simply left, I think. There wasn't a big goodbye party for him or anything ☹️

That's the nuance that gets lost in all of this. Sure, there are malicious people out there that just want to shit on certain people. But how many of them are funny? Is Ben Shapiro funny? Is Steven Crowder funny? Has Tucker Carlson ever made you laugh?!?! The "far right" acts like "Lets go Brandon" is hilarious... These people don't know what funny is... But a funny, harmless joke about Caitlyn Jenner (who has participated in roasts ffs) gets a comedian grouped with those goofballs. Nuance is dead...

It was only a matter of time before GTA was neutered.

If it's anything like last game then there will probably be a few playable characters to jump between. At least one is a female. If that's reason for MAGA gamers to rage about being oppressed by wokism then they're just being little bitches about it.

Keep wahmen out of my games! I bet she won't even be nice to look at!

Your first paragraph is rooted in many unsubstantiated claims. The fact that you believe jokes-based stereotypes of race and sex "was NEVER a problem until a few years ago", makes it pretty clear that a discussion that is grounded in facts and reality is not something you are interested in. Please take a look at US history on this matter before commenting.😊

Paragraph two is a continuation of paragraph one nonsense. You believe that jokes were not harmful prior to 2016. Another absolutely ludicrous claim. Since you believe that jokes cannot be harmful, then everything that follows this flawed logic, just is based on falsehood.

The third paragraph also continues with the falsehood. Making a race-based joke by definition is racist. You are doing literally the same thing I described, which is not calling things for what they are. A joke that relies on race and stereotypes becomes a racist joke. Nothing more and nothing less. It can be of poor taste or it can be beautifully executed as a solid joke. The delivery, context, and other factors determine the acceptance or rejection of the joke. This phobia of these terms is comical, to say the least.

Your last paragraph is objectively tripe.

As I have stated before and you rang true

"Based on your response, I don't expect you to understand the differences or the point being made. You are most likely going to simplify it to some basic drivel of "folks are committed to being offended and a victim".🙄"

Everything is on the table or nothing. Rockstar should make the story they want to and let the bitches cry.

Seems like the bitches are already crying about jokes not being offensive enough even though nothing has been shown.🤷🏽‍♂️

100% agree. Well put.

This should apply to all devs too. You'll never please everyone.

@Zero_epyon: Yuuuup

@Zero_epyon: we just don't want GTA to be Corny and lame looking like the upcoming Saints Row game.

I like GTA for it's over the top antics and crude humor. If it ends up looking like the new Saints Row I'm done with the series.

On the flipside if it goes for an overly serious tone with no humor... Yeah I'm done with it

Chappelle's Show, MAD TV, In Living Color, old (good) SNL, stand up from the list of comedians I listed, and many more all prove my point. None of those shows or specials would be "acceptable" today. Mrs. Doubfire would be considered transphobic. Space Balls. Blues Brothers. Stripes, Ace Ventura. Even more recent movies like Tropic Thunder and I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry... Not happening. None of these movies or comedy specials were seen as problematic when they released. If race and sex based jokes are all racist and sexist, we wouldn't have Eddy Murphy, George Carlin, and the majority of the greats... The jokes brought different races and genders together to share in some laughs and get away from the problems in the world. Now y'all are bringing the problems into our escape. Take that shit somewhere else...


A joke based on race is only racist if it has a racist intent. But today, and the past few years, EVERYTHING is called racist. It has really watered down the meaning of the word, and the impact it used to have. But when you are trying to be offended, and trying to be a victim, this is what you have to do to justify your position. Dave Chappelle's sketches on his show were damn near all based on race and gender jokes. It is considered the best sketch comedy show of all time. And it would not be allowed to be made in 2022. And that's depressing to think about.

I'm all for it as long as they keep the gentlemen's clubs etc. lol

It sounds like they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Might as well do whatever.

Eddie Murphy's standups were so good. Sooooo good.

@Chutebox: sure is. I have a copy of Delirious on DVD still. Golden age of humor

@Zero_epyon: just keep the same over the top antics and humor from past games and all will be good. I'm hoping for the best.

I enjoyed the characters, story, and humor in GTA5. It was on point.

Have you seen what they did to saints row? It looks horrible

@sargentd: His ma with the shoe 🤣

Doesn't bother me... the setting sounds cool. But we'll wait and see how the campaign turns out. I have a suspicion it'll mostly focus on online.