To all of the Forza 4 haters....

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]not hating or anything like that, but honestly speaking, GT5 looks better than that. markko84

Not at all. Also 16 premium cans on track all the time = Win :P

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

blues35301

[QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

i5750at4Ghz

Dirt 3 on pc looks better

James161324

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

blues35301

The only racing games I like are sim racing games. Since I no longer have a 360 since I got sick of it breaking down GT5 is my racing sim of choice. I like the Forza games when I play them but not worth re buying a 360 to me

[QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

pl4yer_f0und

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

It´s incredible how Turn10 managed to double car polys while increasing the played cap from 8 to 16! Environments also seem very improved. Racing game of the generation no doubt 8)

racing1750

Indeed, but i thought they were at that point when Forza 3 came out. I was completly wrong, Forza 4 looks almost one generation ahead :)

[QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

pl4yer_f0und

looks downright awesome, please get this masterpiece into my livingroom with awesome kinect headtracking...

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

blues35301

DiRT 3 PC > Forza 4.

DiRT 3 PC > Forza 4.

Phoenix534

....wait a second

DiRT 3 PC > Forza 4.

Phoenix534

DiRT 3 PC > Forza 4.

Phoenix534

[QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

DiRT 3 PC > Forza 4.

racing1750

[QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

Vadamee

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

Heil68

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

DiRT 3 PC > Forza 4.

zeta

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

it's cool that they ripped off Shift 2's Helmet cam. That was a neat feature. Looks a lot like GT5 to me, same style. The detail of the inside of the cars was nice too. The same level of detail as GT5's premiums. But any racing game that has rewind, can't really be taken too seriouslyNuck81

Yes, it looks better than GT5. That's obvious.

But will the driving model be better than GT5? That's the main thing I care about.

it's cool that they ripped off Shift 2's Helmet cam. That was a neat feature. Looks a lot like GT5 to me, same style. The detail of the inside of the cars was nice too. The same level of detail as GT5's premiums. But any racing game that has rewind, can't really be taken too seriouslyNuck81

Thats what I meant, for consoles. And stop comparing pc sims to console sims, they are have differant focusses. Console sims are meant to be games for gamers, pc sims, utilizing the power of the pc, are more for training, like iRacing, and hardcore enthusiasts. If T10 wanted to make a hardcore sim/trainer they can probably make it better than iRacing and rFactor, but they dont because they also want to focus on the game aspects and presentation, like actually having hands on the wheel. pl4yer_f0und

Maybe rFactor...but iRacing? Nope.

..and so long as people can't make the distinction, i'm gonna keep bringing up sims like iRacing.

Oh, and with a wheel.... there really is no uneven ground between console and PC. There really is not.

Looks amazing. Wish they would tweak the lighting a bit to make it more photorealistic. It's a bit to colorful in a bad way. If they would tweak the HDR a bit more you would not be able to tell reality from that game.

[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="blues35301"]

I wont play it unless it matches GT5's physics which are by far the best on consoles AND adds wheel support for third party wheels like the DFGT. MS needs to get their head out of their ass and do this already.

blues35301

[QUOTE="zeta"][QUOTE="racing1750"] Can't compare PC to consoles.racing1750

So, everything counts as long as it doesn't make Forza look bad? Ok, I get it now.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]it's cool that they ripped off Shift 2's Helmet cam. That was a neat feature. Looks a lot like GT5 to me, same style. The detail of the inside of the cars was nice too. The same level of detail as GT5's premiums. But any racing game that has rewind, can't really be taken too seriouslypl4yer_f0und

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="zeta"] who says we can't? You? LOL Who made you god of SW?Phoenix534

So, everything counts as long as it doesn't make Forza look bad? Ok, I get it now.

[QUOTE="zeta"]

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"] T10 is working as hard on physics as they are on grraphics. They rebuilt the physics engine from scratch, and they are working with Pirelli for probably the most extensive Tire physics ever in a game. And yeah MS really needs to make a good wheel, they've been really pissing me off lately.pl4yer_f0und

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

Thats what I meant, for consoles. And stop comparing pc sims to console sims, they are have differant focusses. Console sims are meant to be games for gamers, pc sims, utilizing the power of the pc, are more for training, like iRacing, and hardcore enthusiasts. If T10 wanted to make a hardcore sim/trainer they can probably make it better than iRacing and rFactor, but they dont because they also want to focus on the game aspects and presentation, like actually having hands on the wheel.

Maybe rFactor...but iRacing? Nope.

..and so long as people can't make the distinction, i'm gonna keep bringing up sims like iRacing.

Oh, and with a wheel.... there really is no uneven ground between console and PC. There really is not.

Who are these imaginary people you speak of "haters"?

I guess if T10 tell you personally that they aren't really trying to make a sim they would be haten' on themselves huh?

Just buy a PS3 and stop the stupidity.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

Thats what I meant, for consoles. And stop comparing pc sims to console sims, they are have differant focusses. Console sims are meant to be games for gamers, pc sims, utilizing the power of the pc, are more for training, like iRacing, and hardcore enthusiasts. If T10 wanted to make a hardcore sim/trainer they can probably make it better than iRacing and rFactor, but they dont because they also want to focus on the game aspects and presentation, like actually having hands on the wheel.

Maybe rFactor...but iRacing? Nope.

..and so long as people can't make the distinction, i'm gonna keep bringing up sims like iRacing.

Oh, and with a wheel.... there really is no uneven ground between console and PC. There really is not.

Its not just feedback its the physics. The cars don't feel all the bumps and dips on the road like they do in GT5. Forza is like driving on ice or on air. Trust me get in a real fast car take it to the track and get up to 150+ and feel the bumpiness and intensity. Straightaways aren't times to relax in GT because you have to focus to keep that wheel steady. Exactly how it is in real life. GT5 perfected this unlike any other racing game.blues35301

[QUOTE="blues35301"]Its not just feedback its the physics. The cars don't feel all the bumps and dips on the road like they do in GT5. Forza is like driving on ice or on air. Trust me get in a real fast car take it to the track and get up to 150+ and feel the bumpiness and intensity. Straightaways aren't times to relax in GT because you have to focus to keep that wheel steady. Exactly how it is in real life. GT5 perfected this unlike any other racing game.daviwinn

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"] Thats what I meant, for consoles. And stop comparing pc sims to console sims, they are have differant focusses. Console sims are meant to be games for gamers, pc sims, utilizing the power of the pc, are more for training, like iRacing, and hardcore enthusiasts. If T10 wanted to make a hardcore sim/trainer they can probably make it better than iRacing and rFactor, but they dont because they also want to focus on the game aspects and presentation, like actually having hands on the wheel. pl4yer_f0und

Okay?? Thanks for the quote, but that has nothing to do with our discussion, this thread isnt about how "sim are too hard for consolites", go take your elitism somewhere else

Its not just feedback its the physics. The cars don't feel all the bumps and dips on the road like they do in GT5. Forza is like driving on ice or on air. Trust me get in a real fast car take it to the track and get up to 150+ and feel the bumpiness and intensity. Straightaways aren't times to relax in GT because you have to focus to keep that wheel steady. Exactly how it is in real life. GT5 perfected this unlike any other racing game.blues35301

feedback and the physics engine go hand in hand. If you're on a wheel, you need both, or you need to know how to calibrate the wheel to compensate. That is why the Fanatec wheel is very good. In addition to the in-game settings, you can change settings from the wheel itself.

On the flipside, I use a control on these games a lot too. It's generally the casual way to go, but even then, you can notice the physics difference between GT5 and FM3. You can still gauge the fine line between grip & feedback and slip. In fact, for awhile, all I did was drift through corners, but I had to stop because after I got GT5, that style doesn't translate as well.

right now im curious since i cant watch the trailer since my nets being annoying...have they at least finally brought in some form of rally?

[QUOTE="daviwinn"][QUOTE="blues35301"]Its not just feedback its the physics. The cars don't feel all the bumps and dips on the road like they do in GT5. Forza is like driving on ice or on air. Trust me get in a real fast car take it to the track and get up to 150+ and feel the bumpiness and intensity. Straightaways aren't times to relax in GT because you have to focus to keep that wheel steady. Exactly how it is in real life. GT5 perfected this unlike any other racing game.blues35301