To all of the Forza 4 haters....

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="zeta"]I'll definitely give T10 the benefit of the doubt...but that bolded line you just typed? LOL I doubt it. Maybe for the consoles.

Heil68

Hooray for (once again) taking quotes out of context! You seem to do that a lot when it comes to the Forza series.

Anyway, that quote was in regards to making the game accessible for new players while still retaining a true to life physics engine (which Forza 3 has, no matter what the haters say) for hardcore players who want that sort of thing.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="zeta"]

Maybe rFactor...but iRacing? Nope.

..and so long as people can't make the distinction, i'm gonna keep bringing up sims like iRacing.

Oh, and with a wheel.... there really is no uneven ground between console and PC. There really is not.

zeta

Again, the presentation is lacking compared to forza. There are no hands on the wheel, the hands dont move when your using the T-cam, the track graphics are flat, the car models are flat, and the menus arent really that intuitive. Like i keeps saying forza is the better game. While iRaacing physics and track detail blow Forza's out of the water.

[QUOTE="blues35301"][QUOTE="daviwinn"] You couldn't be more wrong.daviwinn

[QUOTE="blues35301"][QUOTE="daviwinn"] You couldn't be more wrong.daviwinn

Again, the presentation is lacking compared to forza. There are no hands on the wheel, the hands dont move when your using the T-cam, the track graphics are flat, the car models are flat, and the menus arent really that intuitive. Like i keeps saying forza is the better game. While iRaacing physics and track detail blow Forza's out of the water.

pl4yer_f0und

Ok, so presentation and grapically makes it better...gotcha.

forza haters are just jealous cows. pay them no mind.

Going to be taking this baby for a run on the TG test track.

Off topic, but did you make 3rd this last cycle? ..or you just have the 3rd class crow on?zeta

Straightaways aren't times to relax in GT because you have to focus to keep that wheel steady. Exactly how it is in real life. GT5 perfected this unlike any other racing game.blues35301

[QUOTE="zeta"]Off topic, but did you make 3rd this last cycle? ..or you just have the 3rd class crow on?daviwinn

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

Again, the presentation is lacking compared to forza. There are no hands on the wheel, the hands dont move when your using the T-cam, the track graphics are flat, the car models are flat, and the menus arent really that intuitive. Like i keeps saying forza is the better game. While iRaacing physics and track detail blow Forza's out of the water.

zeta

Ok, so presentation and grapically makes it better...gotcha.

[QUOTE="zeta"]

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

Again, the presentation is lacking compared to forza. There are no hands on the wheel, the hands dont move when your using the T-cam, the track graphics are flat, the car models are flat, and the menus arent really that intuitive. Like i keeps saying forza is the better game. While iRaacing physics and track detail blow Forza's out of the water.

pl4yer_f0und

Ok, so presentation and grapically makes it better...gotcha.

Forza has no haters. It's by far the best console sim out there.i5750at4Ghz

...making the game accessible for new players while still retaining a true to life physics engine (which Forza 3 has, no matter what the haters say) for hardcore players who want that sort of thing.The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]...making the game accessible for new players while still retaining a true to life physics engine (which Forza 3 has, no matter what the haters say) for hardcore players who want that sort of thing.Heil68

The assists allow for the game to be more accessible to casual players. The physics engine remains intact and still provides a hardcore simulation experience to those who want it.

Geez, this shouldn't be that hard to understand...

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]...making the game accessible for new players while still retaining a true to life physics engine (which Forza 3 has, no matter what the haters say) for hardcore players who want that sort of thing.The_Game21x

The assists allow for the game to be more accessible to casual players. The physics engine remains intact and still provides a hardcore simulation experience to those who want it.

Geez, this shouldn't be that hard to understand...

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] So they made the game for casuals too, which is why it isn't strictly a sim game? I think that's what I said, but thanks for reiterating it again. Heil68

The assists allow for the game to be more accessible to casual players. The physics engine remains intact and still provides a hardcore simulation experience to those who want it.

Geez, this shouldn't be that hard to understand...

Heh, whatever you say bro.

Deny the facts all you like but Forza 3 is a hardcore simulation experience. Perhaps not as hardcore as iRacing or rFactor, but a simulation nonetheless. Those are the facts. Implying that Forza's optional assists somehow detract from the simulation experience it is capable of offering is just silly.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

The assists allow for the game to be more accessible to casual players. The physics engine remains intact and still provides a hardcore simulation experience to those who want it.

Geez, this shouldn't be that hard to understand...

The_Game21x

Heh, whatever you say bro.

Deny the facts all you like but Forza 3 is a hardcore simulation experience. Perhaps not as hardcore as iRacing or rFactor, but a simulation nonetheless. Those are the facts. Implying that Forza's optional assists somehow detract from the simulation experience it is capable of offering is just silly.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] It's really not, I don't see why you're having trouble with it? I can link T10's website if you want to read up on it? Heil68

Heh, whatever you say bro.

Deny the facts all you like but Forza 3 is a hardcore simulation experience. Perhaps not as hardcore as iRacing or rFactor, but a simulation nonetheless. Those are the facts. Implying that Forza's optional assists somehow detract from the simulation experience it is capable of offering is just silly.

the PC games that score below AAA, no thank you, we are AAA gamers here w/ forza.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] It's really not, I don't see why you're having trouble with it? I can link T10's website if you want to read up on it? Heil68

Heh, whatever you say bro.

Deny the facts all you like but Forza 3 is a hardcore simulation experience. Perhaps not as hardcore as iRacing or rFactor, but a simulation nonetheless. Those are the facts. Implying that Forza's optional assists somehow detract from the simulation experience it is capable of offering is just silly.

You're actually implying that I have a problem with casual gamers getting into Forza 3? :lol: I'm all for it man! What I'm saying is, underneath the assists Turn 10 has added to the game to make it more accessible lies a pretty hardcore simulator, and that's a fact. :D

I believe Dan Grenawalt did say that sim games can be too hard, so they added features and optional assists to make it easier for casual gamers to enjoy while still retaining the sim gameplay that the series is famous for. I mean, let's be honest, sim games are hard! That's why Forza 3 is also rather difficult when you disable all the assists! I mean, it is a sim after all!:P

Turn 10 has done a fantastic job of making a sim that can appeal to hardcore sim fans and casual players with Forza 3 and I imagine they'll do an even better job of that with Forza 4, (especially in the sim department, with their rebuilt physics engine and all :wink: ).

EDIT: Huh...don't know why part of my post was cut off there at the end but whatever.

the PC games that score below AAA, no thank you, we are AAA gamers here w/ forza.Timdoggamer

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Heh, whatever you say bro.

Deny the facts all you like but Forza 3 is a hardcore simulation experience. Perhaps not as hardcore as iRacing or rFactor, but a simulation nonetheless. Those are the facts. Implying that Forza's optional assists somehow detract from the simulation experience it is capable of offering is just silly.

The_Game21x

You're actually implying that I have a problem with casual gamers getting into Forza 3? :lol: I'm all for it man! What I'm saying is, underneath the assists Turn 10 has added to the game to make it more accessible lies a pretty hardcore simulator, and that's a fact. :D

I believe Dan Grenawalt did say that sim games can be too hard, so they added features and optional assists to make it easier for casual gamers to enjoy while still retaining the sim gameplay that the series is famous for. I mean, let's be honest, sim games are hard! That's why Forza 3 is also rather difficult when you disable all the assists! I mean, it is a sim after all!:P

Turn 10 has done a fantastic job of making a sim that can appeal to hardcore sim fans and casual players with Forza 3 and I imagine they'll do an even better job of that with Forza 4, (especially in the sim department, with their rebuilt physics engine and all :wink: ).Fact is, Turn 10

Well I guess rfactor is another level that sadly Forza will never be. Regardless, maybe I'll just go get Forza 3 tomorrow for cheap and we can race then by golly! :o Heil68

I guess we'll see when the two games are released. :wink:

EDIT: And you should pick up Forza 3. It's the best simulator you can get on a console, after all!

[QUOTE="blues35301"]Straightaways aren't times to relax in GT because you have to focus to keep that wheel steady. Exactly how it is in real life. GT5 perfected this unlike any other racing game.Nuck81

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Well I guess rfactor is another level that sadly Forza will never be. Regardless, maybe I'll just go get Forza 3 tomorrow for cheap and we can race then by golly! :o The_Game21x

I guess we'll see when the two games are released. :wink:

EDIT: And you should pick up Forza 3. It's the best simulator you can get on a console, after all!

[QUOTE="Timdoggamer"]the PC games that score below AAA, no thank you, we are AAA gamers here w/ forza.Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Timdoggamer"]the PC games that score below AAA, no thank you, we are AAA gamers here w/ forza.pl4yer_f0und

Forza never lets you turn of all assists. No matter what you do, there is steering correction, even if nominally all assists are off. Try to pull a hard turn, and it's very noticeable compared to something like GT5. I think it disables when you use a wheel, but still... worth noting for those touting the value of Forza as a sim. :P

Forza never lets you turn of all assists. No matter what you do, there is steering correction, even if nominally all assists are off. Try to pull a hard turn, and it's very noticeable compared to something like GT5. I think it disables when you use a wheel, but still... worth noting for those touting the value of Forza as a sim. :P

psn8214

You can argue all you want about how GT5 is better than Forza 3 or vice versa, but you cant deny how Turn10 is pumping out QUALITY racing titles with just as much if not MORE relevant content (drag racing *cough*) than the Gran Turismo series. I bought GT5 day one and was severly dissapointed. They really set themselves up for failure with the many delays and big talk about how this game was going to redefine racing and it did NOTHING of the sorts. It was a solid game but that was all...

Forza never lets you turn of all assists. No matter what you do, there is steering correction, even if nominally all assists are off. Try to pull a hard turn, and it's very noticeable compared to something like GT5. I think it disables when you use a wheel, but still... worth noting for those touting the value of Forza as a sim. :P

psn8214

Neither is a Sim though...they may say it but honestly the only SIM thing about them is the realistic cars and tracks. My turbo Z (even when it was Naturally aspirated) drives NOTHING Like the 2007 Fairlady Z in GT5.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"] Dude you need to stop trolling every Forza 4 thread you come by. U mad that you need to pay about $150 a year to play iRacing and have a need to take it it out on Forza fans?Heil68

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

Forza never lets you turn of all assists. No matter what you do, there is steering correction, even if nominally all assists are off. Try to pull a hard turn, and it's very noticeable compared to something like GT5. I think it disables when you use a wheel, but still... worth noting for those touting the value of Forza as a sim. :P

SRTtoZ

Neither is a Sim though...they may say it but honestly the only SIM thing about them is the realistic cars and tracks. My turbo Z (even when it was Naturally aspirated) drives NOTHING Like the 2007 Fairlady Z in GT5.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"] Dude you need to stop trolling every Forza 4 thread you come by. U mad that you need to pay about $150 a year to play iRacing and have a need to take it it out on Forza fans?Heil68

Careful PSN, that opinion may not be popular and could lead to trouble mister! :oHeil68

My moderation record is living proof! ;P

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Careful PSN, that opinion may not be popular and could lead to trouble mister! :opsn8214

My moderation record is living proof! ;P

This is total win I highly recommend watching all 3 vids from start to finish and the Jeremy Clarkson narration is epic!!!

Forza4 Epic Win

It´s incredible how Turn10 managed to double car polys while increasing the played cap from 8 to 16! Environments also seem very improved. Racing game of the generation no doubt 8)

PAL360

I wouldn't get my hopes up... you just don't find that kind of power laying around orhiding under the bed. Either there will be severe sacrifices to other parts of the game, or we haven't seen what the game truely looks like yet.

Forza is a very good sim indeed, Really good physics model, lots of aspects, and the tuning really is amazing. Is it as punishing as niche hardcore PC games? No, it's not trying to be, but that doesn't have anything to do with the physics model, and from what I can tell from gameplay vids is that it's even getting more punising anyways.

It's great I can take a random car on an unkown track and do well enough to have a great race, And it's even better that I can really get into the deep parts of the sim, the very realistic edge, and spend hours perfecting a tune when I finally have the time too, shaving off tenths.

The accessability of forza is perfect.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Careful PSN, that opinion may not be popular and could lead to trouble mister! :oNuck81

My moderation record is living proof! ;P

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

My moderation record is living proof! ;P

zeta

O_O Stunning:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ9AUVyQFp0

This is total win I highly recommend watching all 3 vids from start to finish and the Jeremy Clarkson narration is epic!!!

Forza4 Epic Win

Well it still has something to beat GT on and that's the sim part of the game. In that GT is still king.kuraimen

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