To the people who say blu-ray isnt necessary

I hate this argument from 360 fans and it mostly spouts from jealousy as my guess or just ignorance. If you think its not necessary you first need to realize is any advancement in technology necessary??

Is the geforce 9 series necessary? (over 3x faster than the 8800gtx) no its not but itll make games a hell of a lot better.

The answer is no technology is necessary, but dont you guys like and appreciate it when things improve? Games are supposed to improve idk about you guys but games like GeOW and Rainbow six vegas dont seem very next gen to me. Theyre great games with fantastic mindblowing graphics but very very last gen gameplay.

Do you want to live in a world where nothing improves? Would u like it here if there were no cell phones, ipods or game consoles or advancing computers? Im just sayings its absolutely stupid to say a next gen format like blu-ray with 5 times the space of a dvd9 isnt necessary because no technology is necessary but they all help improve the world around us.

Lets see, what games now use over the space of a DVD?

It isn't needed right now, not saying that it shouldn't be used for gaming. If I have a DVD player that works and is old as hell, why should I spend more money for a new one that does the same exact thing? If I have a TV that's over 10 years old that works, why should I spend more money for another TV when it does the same exact thing? Sometimes more advanced technology isn't needed.

So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?linarite

So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?linarite

when did i say that? its just an example of a game that the devs couldve spent more time on making the gameplay more unique or innovative, and for your info i have gears and rainbow six and still play them its just my opinion

blu-ray has a poor cost-to-benifit ratio. There is that better?jack_russel

Please. Elaborate.

[QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?jack_russel

well these games could have better physics or bigger levels, these games are too linear to say the least

Blu-ray isn't needed until games won't fit onto a couple discs. We've had disc-swapping before.

And how does Blu-ray make gameplay better?

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]blu-ray has a poor cost-to-benifit ratio. There is that better?subject117

Please. Elaborate.

[QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?blues3531

when did i say that? its just an example of a game that the devs couldve spent more time on making the gameplay more unique or innovative, and for your info i have gears and rainbow six and still play them its just my opinion

I mean, your thread is about the necessity of Blu-ray, and then your example involves gameplay. Can't you understand where some of us got that impression?

So, again, is it your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay better somehow?

[QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?linarite

when did i say that? its just an example of a game that the devs couldve spent more time on making the gameplay more unique or innovative, and for your info i have gears and rainbow six and still play them its just my opinion

I mean, your thread is about the necessity of Blu-ray, and then your example involves gameplay. Can't you understand where some of us got that impression?

So, again, is it your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay better somehow?

gears was just my example of a game that doenst feel very next gen to me

Since the ps3's only AAA games have fitted on a dvd then i think not.

Look Lair massive flop

gears was just my example of a game that doenst feel very next gen to me

blues3531

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?blues3531

well these games could have better physics or bigger levels, these games are too linear to say the least

the gears and gameplay was just an example that came to mind when i was typing this just forget about it i wasnt implying that gears would be better on blu-ray but do u honestly think gta4 couldnt be better if it was ps3 exclusive? sure the game will be huge even on 360's dvd9 but it couldve been sooooo much better if it were ps3 exclusive and took advantage of hdd standard and blu-ray discblues3531

and it would of ben even better if it was 360 exclusive and devs didnt have to spend days trying to work with useless ps3.

[QUOTE="subject117"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]blu-ray has a poor cost-to-benifit ratio. There is that better?jack_russel

Please. Elaborate.

Funny, I spend 599 on my PS3, and I find the Blu-Ray to be a great value for the price. In fact, I purchase a lot less standard DVD's as the quality is so bad comparitively.I also have a nice surround sound system (which cost about twice as much as my PS3 by the way). How is that a bad value, if you're getting something that you like and appreciate?

I've seen people spend more than 600 on a video card for their PC that gets outdated in 6 months... That I think is a bad cost/benefit ratio.

the gears and gameplay was just an example that came to mind when i was typing this just forget about it i wasnt implying that gears would be better on blu-ray but do u honestly think gta4 couldnt be better if it was ps3 exclusive? sure the game will be huge even on 360's dvd9 but it couldve been sooooo much better if it were ps3 exclusive and took advantage of hdd standard and blu-ray discblues3531

Since the ps3's only AAA games have fitted on a dvd then i think not.

Look Lair massive flop

soiguessialive

i was never interested in lair from the beginning, it never looked very fun

[QUOTE="blues3531"]the gears and gameplay was just an example that came to mind when i was typing this just forget about it i wasnt implying that gears would be better on blu-ray but do u honestly think gta4 couldnt be better if it was ps3 exclusive? sure the game will be huge even on 360's dvd9 but it couldve been sooooo much better if it were ps3 exclusive and took advantage of hdd standard and blu-ray discjack_russel

so dude even if it is small it couldve been where u can enter every single building in the game without loading, and i like driving from point a to b is was more realistic to have a commute and exploring was fun

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="subject117"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]blu-ray has a poor cost-to-benifit ratio. There is that better?subject117

Please. Elaborate.

Funny, I spend 599 on my PS3, and I find the Blu-Ray to be a great value for the price. In fact, I purchase a lot less standard DVD's as the quality is so bad comparitively.I also have a nice surround sound system (which cost about twice as much as my PS3 by the way). How is that a bad value, if you're getting something that you like and appreciate?

I've seen people spend more than 600 on a video card for their PC that gets outdated in 6 months... That I think is a bad cost/benefit ratio.

so dude even if it is small it couldve been where u can enter every single building in the game without loading, and i like driving from point a to b is was more realistic to have a commute and exploring was fun

blues3531

its not necessary

it's nice to have but not necessary

Blue Ray is what makes the PS3 so expensive, which makes it not sell well. I don't care how powerful Blue Ray is, I never wanted it. I just wanted another PS2 with updated graphics. Sony messed up, end of story.Svarthek

Mass up for you but not for me! I love Blu-Ray! Is a great deal that I get a game machine and a blu-ray player for $599. it goes perfectly for my HDTV and Sound system :D

Blue Ray is what makes the PS3 so expensive, which makes it not sell well.  I don't care how powerful Blue Ray is, I never wanted it.  I just wanted another PS2 with updated graphics.  Sony messed up, end of story.Svarthek

[QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?jack_russel

well these games could have better physics or bigger levels, these games are too linear to say the least

yea but everything in gears is pretty much a backdrop or parts of levels ull never be able to reach, buildings you can never enter, thats why they have such hi-res textures everywhere, there is also almost no dynamic lighting in the game, thats very last gen

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"]the gears and gameplay was just an example that came to mind when i was typing this just forget about it i wasnt implying that gears would be better on blu-ray but do u honestly think gta4 couldnt be better if it was ps3 exclusive? sure the game will be huge even on 360's dvd9 but it couldve been sooooo much better if it were ps3 exclusive and took advantage of hdd standard and blu-ray discblues3531

so dude even if it is small it couldve been where u can enter every single building in the game without loading, and i like driving from point a to b is was more realistic to have a commute and exploring was fun

its not necessary

it's nice to have but not necessary

omarguy01

yea and my point was no technological advancements are necessary but its cool when things improve right? did everyone miss that just cuz of the gears insert seriously learn to read and comprehend (not directed at just u but everyone)

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?blues3531

well these games could have better physics or bigger levels, these games are too linear to say the least

yea but everything in gears is pretty much a backdrop or parts of levels ull never be able to reach, buildings you can never enter, thats why they have such hi-res textures everywhere, there is also almost no dynamic lighting in the game, thats very last gen

[QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"]the gears and gameplay was just an example that came to mind when i was typing this just forget about it i wasnt implying that gears would be better on blu-ray but do u honestly think gta4 couldnt be better if it was ps3 exclusive? sure the game will be huge even on 360's dvd9 but it couldve been sooooo much better if it were ps3 exclusive and took advantage of hdd standard and blu-ray discjack_russel

so dude even if it is small it couldve been where u can enter every single building in the game without loading, and i like driving from point a to b is was more realistic to have a commute and exploring was fun

1. somethign the 360 doesnt have standard

2. its not very realistic when every mission your sent on is a 30 second drive now is it?

[QUOTE="subject117"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="subject117"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]blu-ray has a poor cost-to-benifit ratio. There is that better?jack_russel

Please. Elaborate.

Funny, I spend 599 on my PS3, and I find the Blu-Ray to be a great value for the price. In fact, I purchase a lot less standard DVD's as the quality is so bad comparitively.I also have a nice surround sound system (which cost about twice as much as my PS3 by the way). How is that a bad value, if you're getting something that you like and appreciate?

I've seen people spend more than 600 on a video card for their PC that gets outdated in 6 months... That I think is a bad cost/benefit ratio.

I guess I'm "everybody else" then. I bought all 3 at launch. I love my Xbox 360 (if it wasn't off for repair), and I WOULD love my Wii if some good games would come out. By the way, you are being ignorant if you can't recognize the value of the PS3, ESPECIALLY when the good games start coming out. Think about where the PS3 would be WITHOUT Blu-Ray.

[QUOTE="Svarthek"]Blue Ray is what makes the PS3 so expensive, which makes it not sell well.  I don't care how powerful Blue Ray is, I never wanted it.  I just wanted another PS2 with updated graphics.  Sony messed up, end of story.jack_russel

Mass up for you but not for me! I love Blu-Ray! Is a great deal that I get a game machine and a blu-ray player for $599. it goes perfectly for my HDTV and Sound system :D

ni6htmare01

[QUOTE="omarguy01"]

its not necessary

it's nice to have but not necessary

blues3531

yea and my point was no technological advancements are necessary but its cool when things improve right? did everyone miss that just cuz of the gears insert seriously learn to read and comprehend (not directed at just u but everyone)

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Svarthek"]Blue Ray is what makes the PS3 so expensive, which makes it not sell well. I don't care how powerful Blue Ray is, I never wanted it. I just wanted another PS2 with updated graphics. Sony messed up, end of story.Svarthek

Mass up for you but not for me! I love Blu-Ray! Is a great deal that I get a game machine and a blu-ray player for $599. it goes perfectly for my HDTV and Sound system :D

ni6htmare01

That is why I said Mass up for you and not for me XD

[QUOTE="blues3531"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?jack_russel

well these games could have better physics or bigger levels, these games are too linear to say the least

yea but everything in gears is pretty much a backdrop or parts of levels ull never be able to reach, buildings you can never enter, thats why they have such hi-res textures everywhere, there is also almost no dynamic lighting in the game, thats very last gen

i didnt say bright day time lighting i said dynamic, thats where light casts real shadows, gears had almost none, it uses mainly canned pre-set lighting which has been done since ps1 and n64

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="subject117"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="subject117"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]blu-ray has a poor cost-to-benifit ratio. There is that better?subject117

Please. Elaborate.

Funny, I spend 599 on my PS3, and I find the Blu-Ray to be a great value for the price. In fact, I purchase a lot less standard DVD's as the quality is so bad comparitively.I also have a nice surround sound system (which cost about twice as much as my PS3 by the way). How is that a bad value, if you're getting something that you like and appreciate?

I've seen people spend more than 600 on a video card for their PC that gets outdated in 6 months... That I think is a bad cost/benefit ratio.

I guess I'm "everybody else" then. I bought all 3 at launch. I love my Xbox 360 (if it wasn't off for repair), and I WOULD love my Wii if some good games would come out. By the way, you are being ignorant if you can't recognize the value of the PS3, ESPECIALLY when the good games start coming out. Think about where the PS3 would be WITHOUT Blu-Ray.

[QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"]the gears and gameplay was just an example that came to mind when i was typing this just forget about it i wasnt implying that gears would be better on blu-ray but do u honestly think gta4 couldnt be better if it was ps3 exclusive? sure the game will be huge even on 360's dvd9 but it couldve been sooooo much better if it were ps3 exclusive and took advantage of hdd standard and blu-ray discjack_russel

so dude even if it is small it couldve been where u can enter every single building in the game without loading, and i like driving from point a to b is was more realistic to have a commute and exploring was fun

plz plz plz tell me whathard drives have to do with loading times???

[QUOTE="blues3531"][QUOTE="omarguy01"]

its not necessary

it's nice to have but not necessary

jack_russel

yea and my point was no technological advancements are necessary but its cool when things improve right? did everyone miss that just cuz of the gears insert seriously learn to read and comprehend (not directed at just u but everyone)

it would help gaming if used with the right ideas in mind, more space = more room for hi res textures, more polygons per level, bigger more realistic levels, more room for complex ai coding, light coding, physics coding and such just give it up.

if you dont believe gta4 would be a better game had it be ps3 exclusive or hell even leave it on 360 but make it hdd necessary then i cant help you there and you are truely ignorant, only thing is ms wont let the game be hdd necessary

I still watch DVDs on my piece of crap TV. I just wanna play vidja gaems :(ni6htmare01

That is why I said Mass up for you and not for me XD

LOL, where would the PS3 without blu-ray??? In my house thats where. It would be selling better too, and because it would be selling so well it would be getting even more 3rd party support, thus more good games. jack_russel

You're wrong about that. The 3rd party support and good games WILL come. It's too bad you can't see far enough ahead to realize the benefit. It's not like the development turnaround is a short time. It takes more than a year to make most games (the system has not even been out for a year).

I'm sorry that you can't afford a PS3. I'm sure if someone gave it to you, or you could afford one you'd be happy with it as I am.I certainly play it about 10X more than my Wii.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="linarite"]So it is your opinion that Blu-ray would make GeOW gameplay next gen?blues3531

well these games could have better physics or bigger levels, these games are too linear to say the least

yea but everything in gears is pretty much a backdrop or parts of levels ull never be able to reach, buildings you can never enter, thats why they have such hi-res textures everywhere, there is also almost no dynamic lighting in the game, thats very last gen

i didnt say bright day time lighting i said dynamic, thats where light casts real shadows, gears had almost none, it uses mainly canned pre-set lighting which has been done since ps1 and n64

and yet still looks better than anything on a 'superior' and much more expensive console.

[QUOTE="omarguy01"]

its not necessary

it's nice to have but not necessary

blues3531

yea and my point was no technological advancements are necessary but its cool when things improve right? did everyone miss that just cuz of the gears insert seriously learn to read and comprehend (not directed at just u but everyone)

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="blues3531"][QUOTE="omarguy01"]

its not necessary

it's nice to have but not necessary

blues3531

yea and my point was no technological advancements are necessary but its cool when things improve right? did everyone miss that just cuz of the gears insert seriously learn to read and comprehend (not directed at just u but everyone)

it would help gaming if used with the right ideas in mind, more space = more room for hi res textures, more polygons per level, bigger more realistic levels, more room for complex ai coding, light coding, physics coding and such just give it up.

if you dont believe gta4 would be a better game had it be ps3 exclusive or hell even leave it on 360 but make it hdd necessary then i cant help you there and you are truely ignorant, only thing is ms wont let the game be hdd necessary