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Here is were I disagree. This war was over before it started. I have been saying this all along that Sony would win in the end and now it's finally coming true. M$ can't win without Japan. Sony pretty much has Europe on lock and Nintendo took it's own path. I know the Wii has the most sales but it still lacks in the games as far as I am concerned.
-Renegade
That's ironic seeing as the Wii has higher rated games than the PS3.
I guess that's true. Home hasn't been proven yet and XBL is as good as ever.Thats just it though. Its not like it was months and months ago, when Home was still early in development, its getting extremely close now. XBL is by far the most solid online service, but Home and in-game xmb combined will most likely equal that if it goes without a hitch. Besides which, the only reason people are so excited for home is because a big deal has been made about it for a while. IMO, it would be far better to let XBL as it is now, make its stand against home. Then, after building up the hype for it, that would be a good time to release this new "online experience".
Microsoft are extremely good with the hype machine, especially when its for thins that matter (Gears, Halo, etc) so releasing something out of the blue like that makes no sense to me.
nicenator
Like they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]last stand? this early in the game?
no way, next year definately but they are in no danger of simply falling off the face of the earth and failing. they are in danger of losing 2nd place.
if they don't have a good 08, then 09 is thier last stand.
rocktimusprime
MS is in a really bad position right now from a business stand point. They gotta drop something big this year or sony will win.
because of one bad month?
please.
lets make those judgements when its the end of 08. right now MS just needs to show some games and keep selling systems. They are minorly hurt by the HD-DVD news but who knows what will happen.
as far as i am concerned Sony and MS need to do drastic things to win. because everyone seems to casually forget that Nintendo is leading this gen.
This is just the start of an ongoing trend. It has been happening in Japan since the PS3 launch and now we have a much stronger hold in Europe. The USA was the last place we needed and now it's finally happening. Anyone notice how the lemmings are slowly disappearing?
cool its so exciting ahh what will happen!!???
LOL :D but really its a bit sad that xbots are relieing on the fact that it started first and i can finish the ps3 before it gets strong look it doesnt happen that fast, the fact is that the ps3 can and will out last the 360. The only queston is how long will it take?
Ms is a like a diamond plated tank, almost impossible to crack, and im not saying because they have good business tactics or anything, it just all comes down to the money, but you writing them adding a live virtual world , and you forgot to mention the possible blu-ray add- on i think people who say sony made a huge mistake are begining to reealize some thingsAnimal-Mother
Blu-Ray add-on will not matter if the PS3 is the same price as the 360, which is a possibility. Also keep in mind add-ons always sell less than the system, and *systems with add-ons* sell worse than the competition. It's...not a good thing, consumers don't like choice and variable configurations at all - they want their cake with the frosting already on it, so to speak.
last stand? this early in the game?
no way, next year definately but they are in no danger of simply falling off the face of the earth and failing. they are in danger of losing 2nd place.
if they don't have a good 08, then 09 is thier last stand.
rocktimusprime
You are incorrect, by 2009 it will be too late. If Sony is allowed to gain momentum, Microsoft will be able to do little to stop them.
i don't understand how any console can be on its last leg because a competitor slightly outsold it FOR ONE MONTH. get a grip people; no console is going anywhere for awhile.clone01
This has nothing to do with January sales.
What I am saying is - Sony is selling well with nothing. They have a lot of major advantages starting to crop out - exclusives the PC won't get, the winning video format, superior hardware (in the face of growing impatience with the 360's hardware problems - my own brother's three month old 360 JUST RROD - meaning he can't play in a tourney I was hosting this Saturday).
Microsoft - if they want to remain "market leader" - has to lead the market. What they're doing right now is being too passive, and if they remain passive, simply by virtue of being Blu-Ray, and existing in more markets competitively than Microsoft, the Sony PS3 will gain on the Xbox 360 *within two years*.
It's time to finish the fight.8)SSCyborg
Exactly.
This is Microsoft's night to shine. If they knock Sony down, momentum-wise, for another two years, nothing Sony does will matter. It's all about ensuring that the PS3 doesn't become the next PS2, by taking off in the US as well as JPN and Europe. To do that, MS needs to secure the US / EU market in a big way - online, pricing, games...
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Let me put why this is a big deal. Microsoft beats Sony only so long as they have a competitive advantage. That means, something they do well, that Sony cannot. Microsoft is losing is competitive advantages left and right - its remaining two are as follows: games and online. What Microsoft has to do is significantly strengthen those advantages so that Sony cannot start to compete with it in these areas.
If Sony begins to compete in games and online strongly with MS, because of MS complacency, then Sony's own competitive advantages - media, hardware reliability, global audience - can threaten MS posistion.
[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]last stand? this early in the game?
no way, next year definately but they are in no danger of simply falling off the face of the earth and failing. they are in danger of losing 2nd place.
if they don't have a good 08, then 09 is thier last stand.
-Renegade
MS is in a really bad position right now from a business stand point. They gotta drop something big this year or sony will win.
because of one bad month?
please.
lets make those judgements when its the end of 08. right now MS just needs to show some games and keep selling systems. They are minorly hurt by the HD-DVD news but who knows what will happen.
as far as i am concerned Sony and MS need to do drastic things to win. because everyone seems to casually forget that Nintendo is leading this gen.
This is just the start of an ongoing trend. It has been happening in Japan since the PS3 launch and now we have a much stronger hold in Europe. The USA was the last place we needed and now it's finally happening. Anyone notice how the lemmings are slowly disappearing?
Any proof it's a trend and not just MSFT had an actual after the month they outsold the wii 2:1.
Here is were I disagree. This war was over before it started. I have been saying this all along that Sony would win in the end and now it's finally coming true. M$ can't win without Japan. Sony pretty much has Europe on lock and Nintendo took it's own path. I know the Wii has the most sales but it still lacks in the games as far as I am concerned.
-Renegade
Here's the thing - Microsoft fought well. They leveraged HD-DVD to slow the inevitable victory of Blu-Ray, and launched early to gain marketshare. At this point, however, the costs of what they've done are backfiring - lost consumer trust over HD-DVD, hardware problems due to lack of long testing times prior to launch.
However they still have the best games library, and best online infrastructure, and even if Sony holds more markets, they can expand their marketshare, and remain neck-and-neck by being dominate in key countries. Yes in the long, long run they still lose, but the longer they fight, the less meaningful that loss is. If they lose in 2012, as they're launching the third Xbox, oh well - if they lose in 2009 ~ well, now that's bad.
When was the last time someone announced something truely amazing at one of these conferences? I'm not expecting to hear anything amazing in the next few days, looking at the past. If there is a huge announcement, I'd be surprised, but not expecting it.Kook18
Y'know sadly I'm really excited.
I'm in fact, rooting for them.
Why?
Because this war has sucked - it really has. Not because the games, systems, or whatnot haven't been exciting, but because everyone is so bad about really making the big announcements. It's all... expected. We need this generation's crazy announcement - we need companies making crazy price cuts and doing whatever it takes.
We need a war of glory, what we have now is a war of attrition.
What I am saying is - Sony is selling well with nothing. They have a lot of major advantages starting to crop out - exclusives the PC won't get, the winning video format, superior hardware (in the face of growing impatience with the 360's hardware problems - my own brother's three month old 360 JUST RROD - meaning he can't play in a tourney I was hosting this Saturday).
subrosian
sony isnt selling with nothing they have many blind fanboys and many people who arent fanboys but dont know anything about market and buy PS3 because they liked PS1 and/or PS2
exclusives that PC wont get dont matter that much. i mean only a very hardcore gamer buys a console when he has a highend PC. MOST console gamers dont have a gaming rig (no offense dear cows, i know you all have one) when someone is deciding between PS3 and 360 he realy doesnt care what games PC has. but yeah it hurts the console a little.
winning video format really has nothing to do with consoles now. there are many blu-ray players out there cheaper than a PS3. so no one will buy a PS3 to watch movies on it. and by the way DVD is the winner at the moment.
yeah it has superior hardware. peronally i think if 360 didnt have the hardware failure thing there would be no room for sony in the market after their weak start. and its the only thing hurting 360 sales at the moment.
also best 08 line-up is only a matter of personal taste. for people who like killzone, MGS, LBP,GT, etc its PS3. for people who like Fable, ninja gaiden, banjoo, too human, etc its 360.
[QUOTE="Kook18"]When was the last time someone announced something truely amazing at one of these conferences? I'm not expecting to hear anything amazing in the next few days, looking at the past. If there is a huge announcement, I'd be surprised, but not expecting it.subrosian
Y'know sadly I'm really excited.
I'm in fact, rooting for them.
Why?
Because this war has sucked - it really has. Not because the games, systems, or whatnot haven't been exciting, but because everyone is so bad about really making the big announcements. It's all... expected. We need this generation's crazy announcement - we need companies making crazy price cuts and doing whatever it takes.
We need a war of glory, what we have now is a war of attrition.
I...I I love u:oops:
I agree something needs to happen gaming seems to be in slug mode right now.
Translation: Lets take the thing we really have going for us and f**k with it just as the competitor is about to up their game in that area.
Its an interesting idea, but REALLY not the right time to do it.
nicenator
On the contrary, this is the perfect time. PSN is gaining ground day by day. A recent leak noted what appeared to be a unified friend's list, and Home is around the corner.
If Microsoft allows Sony to equal them in online (or surpass them!) and then take the lead again, they will lose their advantage, and will stand on equal footing in a race. If, however, Microsoft improves radically now, it will make the PSN appear to be an outdated copy of the real thing, always implementing yesterday's features. Doing so will prevent any real hype for being built over new PSN features.
Of course, I'm assuming the "#$!"#$! server monkeys they've got won't screw up everything for another month - an assumption one would consider reasonably obvious, but this being MS...
[QUOTE="subrosian"]What I am saying is - Sony is selling well with nothing. They have a lot of major advantages starting to crop out - exclusives the PC won't get, the winning video format, superior hardware (in the face of growing impatience with the 360's hardware problems - my own brother's three month old 360 JUST RROD - meaning he can't play in a tourney I was hosting this Saturday).
reza
sony isnt selling with nothing they have many blind fanboys and many people who arent fanboys but dont know anything about market and buy PS3 because they liked PS1 and/or PS2
exclusives that PC wont get dont matter that much. i mean only a very hardcore gamer buys a console when he has a highend PC. MOST console gamers dont have a gaming rig (no offense dear cows, i know you all have one) when someone is deciding between PS3 and 360 he realy doesnt care what games PC has. but yeah it hurts the console a little.
winning video format really has nothing to do with consoles now. there are many blu-ray players out there cheaper than a PS3. so no one will buy a PS3 to watch movies on it. and by the way DVD is the winner at the moment.
yeah it has superior hardware. peronally i think if 360 didnt have the hardware failure thing there would be no room for sony in the market after their weak start. and its the only thing hurting 360 sales at the moment.
also best 08 line-up is only a matter of personal taste. for people who like killzone, MGS, LBP,GT, etc its PS3. for people who like Fable, ninja gaiden, banjoo, too human, etc its 360.
Sony isn't being obliterated in a market where every metric of being a good console suggests they should. Consoles wars are about appearences and momentum - Sony can do things with those that Microsoft can't - Sony can get them in ways that Microsoft hasn't. Sony and Microsoft are both mis-managing, yet somehow the system that launched for $600 is on path to become as cheap as, or cheaper than, the Xbox 360, while the $400 launch system has only cut $50 in two years?
Man.
It's not just the money woes either - it's the whole, big picture issue. There are tens of millions of people who haven't bought yet, and they're ripe for the picking at the $200 price point - riddle me this - if Sony hits $300, then $200, as the Blu-Ray equipped, reliable, playstation-name backed, Japanese-game supported system in late 2008 / early 2009 (later in 2009 / 2010 for the $200 price-point) do you feel Microsoft stands a chance?
The griim reality is that Microsoft already lost Japan, so Sony simply has to tie Europe, and do better in the US than Microsoft does in Japan to eventually eke out a win.
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Microsoft needs to fight. In fact, I'll be cheering for them tomorrow, because a war benefits the consumer.
I agree that all eyes will be on MS tomm. night. However, I do not believe they can win tomorrow with their keynote. To "win" they'd have to do some DRASTIC things...
Free Xbox Live for everyone
New SKU with a bigger HDD and Blu-ray bulit in for $349 :shock: yeah, $349.
and Maybe steal some exclusivity (i.e. Resident Evil 5, FFXIII, MGS4.....get a megaton exclusive game to go multiplat on their system that would not have been there, or is now only on 360 instead of both ps3 and 360)
Sony isn't being obliterated in a market where every metric of being a good console suggests they should. Consoles wars are about appearences and momentum - Sony can do things with those that Microsoft can't - Sony can get them in ways that Microsoft hasn't. Sony and Microsoft are both mis-managing, yet somehow the system that launched for $600 is on path to become as cheap as, or cheaper than, the Xbox 360, while the $400 launch system has only cut $50 in two years?
Man.
It's not just the money woes either - it's the whole, big picture issue. There are tens of millions of people who haven't bought yet, and they're ripe for the picking at the $200 price point - riddle me this - if Sony hits $300, then $200, as the Blu-Ray equipped, reliable, playstation-name backed, Japanese-game supported system in late 2008 / early 2009 (later in 2009 / 2010 for the $200 price-point) do you feel Microsoft stands a chance?
The griim reality is that Microsoft already lost Japan, so Sony simply has to tie Europe, and do better in the US than Microsoft does in Japan to eventually eke out a win.
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Microsoft needs to fight. In fact, I'll be cheering for them tomorrow, because a war benefits the consumer.subrosian
200$ price drop in less than a year only means they were not doing good. microsoft only droped it 50$ and they are still selling good. and MS will drop it again soonfo sure. but can sony afford to drop another 100 after such a short time?
and by the time sony start selling PS3s for 200$ microsoft will sell 360 for 150$ and blu-ray players will be like 50-100 $. being the cheaper console is one of their big advantages after all.
I agree that all eyes will be on MS tomm. night. However, I do not believe they can win tomorrow with their keynote. To "win" they'd have to do some DRASTIC things...
Free Xbox Live for everyone
New SKU with a bigger HDD and Blu-ray bulit in for $349 :shock: yeah, $349.
and Maybe steal some exclusivity (i.e. Resident Evil 5, FFXIII, MGS4.....get a megaton exclusive game to go multiplat on their system that would not have been there, or is not only on 360 instead of both ps3 and 360)
MikeE21286
resident evil 5 is already a multiplat, it has always been a multiplat
sony isnt selling with nothing they have many blind fanboys and many people who arent fanboys but dont know anything about market and buy PS3 because they liked PS1 and/or PS2
reza
Wow, i assume you did research on this, doctor?
I think i know a bit about "market" or wtf your talkin about. I for one, bought a PS3 in december because, shock, i wanted one. scientific i know.
exclusives that PC wont get dont matter that much. i mean only a very hardcore gamer buys a console when he has a highend PC. MOST console gamers dont have a gaming rig (no offense dear cows, i know you all have one) when someone is deciding between PS3 and 360 he realy doesnt care what games PC has. but yeah it hurts the console a little.
reza
Ah more of the doctor's research. only a very hardcore? what is a very hardcore? is that more hardcore than hardcore? no offense dear doctor, but owning 2 or more systems isn't in direct correlation with hardcoreness, or very hardcoreness. It's about how much money you make. That and most families have a family computer little Billy can put a few games on. When someone decides what to buy, they usually take into consideration things like redundancy. that little word hurts "the console" (I presume you mean the 360) a little more, than a little because Billy may see he can get Halo on his family PC, and buy a PS3.
winning video format really has nothing to do with consoles now. there are many blu-ray players out there cheaper than a PS3. so no one will buy a PS3 to watch movies on it. and by the way DVD is the winner at the moment.
reza
Ah, but someone holding out on buying a system may now see that blu-ray won, and think "Hey, I don't have to buy a stand alone player for the next gen movies if i buy a ps3 instead of an xbox". Better hope logic doesn't win the day for thosep people.
yeah it has superior hardware. peronally i think if 360 didnt have the hardware failure thing there would be no room for sony in the market after their weak start. and its the only thing hurting 360 sales at the moment.
reza
I agree with this. However, the 360 is the oldest of the 3 systems. Consumers like new things, regardless of quality comparison. The ps3 is rightly seen as the more advanced hardware. People want to buy something that isn't already older than everything else, especially when older = break more, as is the case.
I applaud the TS post about a "glorious" war. Something needs to happen, because next-gen gaming is losing to last-gen with a new controller.
I agree that all eyes will be on MS tomm. night. However, I do not believe they can win tomorrow with their keynote. To "win" they'd have to do some DRASTIC things...
Free Xbox Live for everyone
New SKU with a bigger HDD and Blu-ray bulit in for $349 :shock: yeah, $349.
and Maybe steal some exclusivity (i.e. Resident Evil 5, FFXIII, MGS4.....get a megaton exclusive game to go multiplat on their system that would not have been there, or is now only on 360 instead of both ps3 and 360)
MikeE21286
Yes. That is the calibur of announcments MS needs. And I garuntee they won't even come remotly close to any one of those. GDC will be a flop, and a snorefest for the most part for MS, just watch.
I do think they will announce GeOW 2 though, and maybe the Epic games Buyout will be officially announced during GDC. But that's not that huge of an announcment.... EPIC doesn't make that many games, and GeOW games were only on Xbox 360 anyways. It's like they traded Bungie and Bioware for EPIC, which is really bad news if you think about it.
I agree, MS really isn't in a great position right now. Especially since there are so many issues with their console and several huge blockbuster titles passed by already (although the best titles won't come out until later this year), MS needs to reveal something BIG to keep up with Sony in the long run. I'd think E3 will be their last stand, but tomorrow would also be an opportune time to reveal something big.Saturos3091
maybe they arent in a great position but they arent in trouble.
MS already has big names! i dont know what you people mean by BIG they have banjoo, ninja gaiden, fable. those are all big names. they have halo wars (i dont know if its a good game but you cant find a bigger name than halo) too human (a game that has been under development for how long? 10 years?) and they are only the one exclusive to 360 there are many other that are shared with pc and not on PS3.
saying tomorrow or E308 or E309 are their last stands is just not-wise :)
everyone was talking about sony dominating 08, 2 months past and nothing extraordinary from sony yet. their only really big title this year is GT5p and MGS4. (dont start killzone 2 and LBP. i agree LBP is a good game but its not a huge title. and as far as we know killzone2 only has good graphics)
[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]I agree, MS really isn't in a great position right now. Especially since there are so many issues with their console and several huge blockbuster titles passed by already (although the best titles won't come out until later this year), MS needs to reveal something BIG to keep up with Sony in the long run. I'd think E3 will be their last stand, but tomorrow would also be an opportune time to reveal something big.reza
maybe they arent in a great position but they arent in trouble.
MS already has big names! i dont know what you people mean by BIG they have banjoo, ninja gaiden, fable. those are all big names. they have halo wars (i dont know if its a good game but you cant find a bigger name than halo) too human (a game that has been under development for how long? 10 years?) and they are only the one exclusive to 360 there are many other that are shared with pc and not on PS3.
saying tomorrow or E308 or E309 are their last stands is just not-wise :)
everyone was talking about sony dominating 08, 2 months past and nothing extraordinary from sony yet. their only really big title this year is GT5p and MGS4. (dont start killzone 2 and LBP. i agree LBP is a good game but its not a huge title. and as far as we know killzone2 only has good graphics)
What everyone is saying is Microsoft needs to get momentum. Sony is catching up gradually and this may be Microsofts last chance to get a big leap before Sony is nipping at their heels. Yes it isn't the LAST stand, but if they do nothing here it could be too late in TGS 08.The competition between Microsoft and Sony. I'm sure the Wii will win but the PS3 360 race will be much closer.whats with all this sony will win stuff?
once ps3 starts outselling the wii, then you guys can talk about sony winning
ogvampire
Yup. PS3 is destined to pass Xbox 360... I don't see them announcing anything too significant. They will announce a new SKU, big deal... The best thing they can do is have the Premium X360 at 299 before GTAIV comes out.Heydanbud92Pretty Much, I dont think there's any price cut or game that can save them though.
[QUOTE="reza"]sony isnt selling with nothing they have many blind fanboys and many people who arent fanboys but dont know anything about market and buy PS3 because they liked PS1 and/or PS2
Sh3rpa
Wow, i assume you did research on this, doctor?
I think i know a bit about "market" or wtf your talkin about. I for one, bought a PS3 in december because, shock, i wanted one. scientific i know.
exclusives that PC wont get dont matter that much. i mean only a very hardcore gamer buys a console when he has a highend PC. MOST console gamers dont have a gaming rig (no offense dear cows, i know you all have one) when someone is deciding between PS3 and 360 he realy doesnt care what games PC has. but yeah it hurts the console a little.
reza
Ah more of the doctor's research. only a very hardcore? what is a very hardcore? is that more hardcore than hardcore? no offense dear doctor, but owning 2 or more systems isn't in direct correlation with hardcoreness, or very hardcoreness. It's about how much money you make. That and most families have a family computer little Billy can put a few games on. When someone decides what to buy, they usually take into consideration things like redundancy. that little word hurts "the console" (I presume you mean the 360) a little more, than a little because Billy may see he can get Halo on his family PC, and buy a PS3.
winning video format really has nothing to do with consoles now. there are many blu-ray players out there cheaper than a PS3. so no one will buy a PS3 to watch movies on it. and by the way DVD is the winner at the moment.
reza
Ah, but someone holding out on buying a system may now see that blu-ray won, and think "Hey, I don't have to buy a stand alone player for the next gen movies if i buy a ps3 instead of an xbox". Better hope logic doesn't win the day for thosep people.
yeah it has superior hardware. peronally i think if 360 didnt have the hardware failure thing there would be no room for sony in the market after their weak start. and its the only thing hurting 360 sales at the moment.
reza
I agree with this. However, the 360 is the oldest of the 3 systems. Consumers like new things, regardless of quality comparison. The ps3 is rightly seen as the more advanced hardware. People want to buy something that isn't already older than everything else, especially when older = break more, as is the case.
I applaud the TS post about a "glorious" war. Something needs to happen, because next-gen gaming is losing to last-gen with a new controller.
i didnt mention any of those as facts proffesor :) subrosian wrote his opinions and i wrote mine. we were just talking nothing for you to worry about :)
but anyway, you wanted a PS3 why? just because you felt good about it? or because you liked sonys last systems?
ok sorry that i mentioned very hardcore, my bad. and i already said i know all people who have PS3 also have a gaming PC, again nothing to worry about. your family pc can run gears of war, bioshock,etc so you think everyones familiy PC can, mine cant so i think most peoples familiy pc cant.
about hd formats. yeah its also possible thank for pointing that out.
EDIT: hey btw did you research about all those things you said? or do you only expect other people to research about some random stuff they write here? ( things like people like new things, and that everyone's family pc is a gaming rig, or that buying more than one gaming system is a matter of money, etc?)
when i want to buy gaming system i also take into account if i have enough time to use it, for me its not just a matter of money. dunno about you.
[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]I agree that all eyes will be on MS tomm. night. However, I do not believe they can win tomorrow with their keynote. To "win" they'd have to do some DRASTIC things...
Free Xbox Live for everyone
New SKU with a bigger HDD and Blu-ray bulit in for $349 :shock: yeah, $349.
and Maybe steal some exclusivity (i.e. Resident Evil 5, FFXIII, MGS4.....get a megaton exclusive game to go multiplat on their system that would not have been there, or is now only on 360 instead of both ps3 and 360)
Heydanbud92
Yes. That is the calibur of announcments MS needs. And I garuntee they won't even come remotly close to any one of those. GDC will be a flop, and a snorefest for the most part for MS, just watch.
I do think they will announce GeOW 2 though, and maybe the Epic games Buyout will be officially announced during GDC. But that's not that huge of an announcment.... EPIC doesn't make that many games, and GeOW games were only on Xbox 360 anyways. It's like they traded Bungie and Bioware for EPIC, which is really bad news if you think about it.
Well this breaking news does not make me confident.
If Microsoft focuses on LIVE Anywhere (cell phone gaming - isn't that something only Japan / China /Asia, the area the 360 doesn't sell in, are really interested in?) and LIVE PC and such tomorrow, they might as well just say "**** it, Sony wins"... that, disappoints me on a huge level.
Seriously, why not just come up on stage, light a 360 on fire, throw a pile of cell phones, a bag of money, and a couple of potentially good games on the pyre, and say "welcome to out future - an expensive flaming trainwreck"?
[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]I agree that all eyes will be on MS tomm. night. However, I do not believe they can win tomorrow with their keynote. To "win" they'd have to do some DRASTIC things...
Free Xbox Live for everyone
New SKU with a bigger HDD and Blu-ray bulit in for $349 :shock: yeah, $349.
and Maybe steal some exclusivity (i.e. Resident Evil 5, FFXIII, MGS4.....get a megaton exclusive game to go multiplat on their system that would not have been there, or is now only on 360 instead of both ps3 and 360)
subrosian
Yes. That is the calibur of announcments MS needs. And I garuntee they won't even come remotly close to any one of those. GDC will be a flop, and a snorefest for the most part for MS, just watch.
I do think they will announce GeOW 2 though, and maybe the Epic games Buyout will be officially announced during GDC. But that's not that huge of an announcment.... EPIC doesn't make that many games, and GeOW games were only on Xbox 360 anyways. It's like they traded Bungie and Bioware for EPIC, which is really bad news if you think about it.
Well this breaking news does not make me confident.
If Microsoft focuses on LIVE Anywhere (cell phone gaming - isn't that something only Japan / China /Asia, the area the 360 doesn't sell in, are really interested in?) and LIVE PC and such tomorrow, they might as well just say "**** it, Sony wins"... that, disappoints me on a huge level.
Seriously, why not just come up on stage, light a 360 on fire, throw a pile of cell phones, a bag of money, and a couple of potentially good games on the pyre, and say "welcome to out future - an expensive flaming trainwreck"?
I honestly hope this is only a side note of Microsofts intended display tomorrow. I agree with you that if they announce Handheld and go anywhere gaming as a major development I will be pissed. They could focus on so much more, and hopefully they have been.MS knew they were going to pretty much sell everything they had this holiday season so there was no reason to drop the price. They also don't have to drop it quite yet, because without sufficient supply the systems they have out there will still sell at 350 bucks. In march when supply gets back up expect a pricedrop to be forthcoming(this is the reason pricedrops happen in spring typically). A 100 dollar price drop across the board will be a blow that SONY will have a hard time countering, and if they do, MS will make any victory for Sony a very bloody and costly one. Cows are getting WAYYYYYYYY ahead of themselves right now.Steppy_76
lol...there should have never been lack of supply, they barely so more than they did the holiday season before...:|
Well this breaking news does not make me confident.
If Microsoft focuses on LIVE Anywhere (cell phone gaming - isn't that something only Japan / China /Asia, the area the 360 doesn't sell in, are really interested in?) and LIVE PC and such tomorrow, they might as well just say "**** it, Sony wins"... that, disappoints me on a huge level.
Seriously, why not just come up on stage, light a 360 on fire, throw a pile of cell phones, a bag of money, and a couple of potentially good games on the pyre, and say "welcome to out future - an expensive flaming trainwreck"?
subrosian
Im getting a distinct feeling of deja vu. I remember MS having the same opportunities to shine at CES, and falling flat.
If this is their new development for live, then Home is going to have a very forgiving launch. Microsoft is really beginning to turn into a 2006 Sony, and they need to realize it and get themselves together fase.
Well this breaking news does not make me confident.
If Microsoft focuses on LIVE Anywhere (cell phone gaming - isn't that something only Japan / China /Asia, the area the 360 doesn't sell in, are really interested in?) and LIVE PC and such tomorrow, they might as well just say "**** it, Sony wins"... that, disappoints me on a huge level.
Seriously, why not just come up on stage, light a 360 on fire, throw a pile of cell phones, a bag of money, and a couple of potentially good games on the pyre, and say "welcome to out future - an expensive flaming trainwreck"?
subrosian
That would be an epic fail. They said a year ago that the casual audience is something that they were not focusing on. Way to neglect those 17 million gamers who have on average about 9 games, obviously they don't want to play on a damn cell phone or Zune if they are that dedicated to stationairy gaming. Now they want to back track and market certain aspects of the 360 as casual friendly to try and combat the Wii while simultaneously losing to Sony.
[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]I agree, MS really isn't in a great position right now. Especially since there are so many issues with their console and several huge blockbuster titles passed by already (although the best titles won't come out until later this year), MS needs to reveal something BIG to keep up with Sony in the long run. I'd think E3 will be their last stand, but tomorrow would also be an opportune time to reveal something big.reza
maybe they arent in a great position but they arent in trouble.
True. They're not in major trouble at the current moment, but they may be in the future. How far in the future? Not too soon I'd guess.
MS already has big names! i dont know what you people mean by BIG they have banjoo, ninja gaiden, fable. those are all big names. they have halo wars (i dont know if its a good game but you cant find a bigger name than halo) too human (a game that has been under development for how long? 10 years?) and they are only the one exclusive to 360 there are many other that are shared with pc and not on PS3.
Banjo, NG, and Fable aren't BIG sellers compared to games like Halo. If Gears of War 2 comes out it's another story, although I agree Banjo and NG are top quality titles (or at least have been in the past) and will probably be better games than most higher selling franchises. Halo Wars will be a hit or miss with sales due to it being an RTS. When the close-minded Halo fankids find out that it's an RTS they probably will not buy or recommend the game to other people. There's also GTAIV, which will both help both 360 and PS3 sales. This year has the potential to be great for both consoles, but we'll have to wait and see.
saying tomorrow or E308 or E309 are their last stands is just not-wise :)
I'm sure they'll still be in the console race, but it's just the issue of staying ahead of Sony that may be difficult for MS in the long run.
everyone was talking about sony dominating 08, 2 months past and nothing extraordinary from sony yet. their only really big title this year is GT5p and MGS4. (dont start killzone 2 and LBP. i agree LBP is a good game but its not a huge title. and as far as we know killzone2 only has good graphics)
Exactly what Subrosian is saying: The PS3 is selling on very little while the 360 struggles to sell on it's myriad of titles. I think the 360 has the strongest '08 (not really for sales, but for games), but that's not going to stop the PS3 from selling.
[QUOTE="subrosian"]Well this breaking news does not make me confident.
If Microsoft focuses on LIVE Anywhere (cell phone gaming - isn't that something only Japan / China /Asia, the area the 360 doesn't sell in, are really interested in?) and LIVE PC and such tomorrow, they might as well just say "**** it, Sony wins"... that, disappoints me on a huge level.
Seriously, why not just come up on stage, light a 360 on fire, throw a pile of cell phones, a bag of money, and a couple of potentially good games on the pyre, and say "welcome to out future - an expensive flaming trainwreck"?
Pro_wrestler
That would be an epic fail. They said a year ago that the casual audience is something that they were not focusing on. Way to neglect those 17 million gamers who have on average about 9 games, obviously they don't want to play on a damn cell phone or Zune if they are that dedicated to stationairy gaming. Now they want to back track and market certain aspects of the 360 as casual friendly to try and combat the Wii while simultaneously losing to Sony.
I will be super pissed if this is what they do. Not just because it's a let down, but because it's such a dumb idea. No one who owns a Wii / DS is suddenly going to go ga-ga over playing watered-down minigame versions of 360 titles. That wasn't the key to the Wii / DS successs, and that MS thinks it was shows they have no chance of duplicating it.
Really, why would you not play to your strengths?
If MS announces a new built in internla memory (20GB) sku thats priced at 250 or less then sony can kiss 2nd place goodbye.
But i doubt anything major is coming out of them tmr I expect to hear all the praise for 3rd party support and live membershipa couple of XBLA games and MAYBE an XBL overhaul or something of that nature.
Microsoft's last stand ? Finishing off Sony ? GTA IV, a system killer ?
You got some nice points there, but you are blowing things out of proportions. Neither of these companies are in trouble and GTA IV is certainly not going to "finish off" one of them, especially since it's coming on both systems.
[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]MS knew they were going to pretty much sell everything they had this holiday season so there was no reason to drop the price. They also don't have to drop it quite yet, because without sufficient supply the systems they have out there will still sell at 350 bucks. In march when supply gets back up expect a pricedrop to be forthcoming(this is the reason pricedrops happen in spring typically). A 100 dollar price drop across the board will be a blow that SONY will have a hard time countering, and if they do, MS will make any victory for Sony a very bloody and costly one. Cows are getting WAYYYYYYYY ahead of themselves right now.Adrian_Cloud
lol...there should have never been lack of supply, they barely so more than they did the holiday season before...:|
There is almost always supply constraints for consoles after the holidays. The PS2 had them, even the original Xbox had them. You can only shuffle so many into the retail chain. It's not like its an isolated instance, and maybe the PS3 would have been supply constrained if they have moved another 500,000 units the previous month.[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]MS knew they were going to pretty much sell everything they had this holiday season so there was no reason to drop the price. They also don't have to drop it quite yet, because without sufficient supply the systems they have out there will still sell at 350 bucks. In march when supply gets back up expect a pricedrop to be forthcoming(this is the reason pricedrops happen in spring typically). A 100 dollar price drop across the board will be a blow that SONY will have a hard time countering, and if they do, MS will make any victory for Sony a very bloody and costly one. Cows are getting WAYYYYYYYY ahead of themselves right now.Adrian_Cloud
lol...there should have never been lack of supply, they barely so more than they did the holiday season before...:|
There is almost always supply constraints for consoles after the holidays. The PS2 had them, even the original Xbox had them. You can only shuffle so many into the retail chain. It's not like its an isolated instance, and maybe the PS3 would have been supply constrained if they have moved another 500,000 units the previous month.Personally I want to watch Sony crush the 360 underfoot, I can't fully support MS after it's shady tactics, customer service, tech support have shown a greedy company willing to slap the consumer in the face with a faulty product and only taking action when backlash grew too large.JynxzorI wanted To see sony crush toshiba's Hd DvD and my wish was granted, I hope the same for yours.
Why Would Anyone at this point keep buying faulty hardware over and over when you can buy a better/Reliable Console with an already appealing library that includes most of the best 360 tiles plus an outstanding line up for this year.
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