Top 20 of PC exclusives this gen that no console game can replace

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Out of all those listed, only 6 in my opinion are worth listing.

jhonMalcovich

I tried to make a universal list that would include as many genre representatives as possible. It´s all about a choice. You will ever want play a flight sim, PC is the only platform that provides that. If you want to try, some day,  to command a submarine during WW2, then PC is still the only platform that allows that.

Ok point taken. 

BTW, slightly nitpicky, but do some of them count as last gen? (e.g: WoW?)

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Out of all those listed, only 6 in my opinion are worth listing.

_Matt_

I tried to make a universal list that would include as many genre representatives as possible. It´s all about a choice. You will ever want play a flight sim, PC is the only platform that provides that. If you want to try, some day,  to command a submarine during WW2, then PC is still the only platform that allows that.

Ok point taken. 

BTW, slightly nitpicky, but do some of them count as last gen? (e.g: WoW?)

I listed WoW as current gen because of its expansions.  

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

I tried to make a universal list that would include as many genre representatives as possible. It´s all about a choice. You will ever want play a flight sim, PC is the only platform that provides that. If you want to try, some day,  to command a submarine during WW2, then PC is still the only platform that allows that.

jhonMalcovich

Ok point taken. 

BTW, slightly nitpicky, but do some of them count as last gen? (e.g: WoW?)

I listed WoW as current gen because of its expansions.  

Ok, though I would say that is stretching the same game out rather than making it a current gen game... regardless, sorry sir, that has no valid input into this discussion.

[QUOTE="happyduds77"]

 ++++++>everything on pc

And soon 

jhonMalcovich

Yey. I counted 7 games, 3 of them, interactive movies. And another is not even released. VS dozens of PC exclusives that actually provide a real gameplay.

Uncharted is counteracted by Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3 and Dead Space 3. 

Metar Gear Solid 4 by Splinter Cell, Deus Ex 3 and Thie 3

God of War  is counteracted by a much more solid Devil May Cry.

Journey is nice Indie game, we have them plenty on PC.

Halo 4 ? Halo 3 is coming to PC.

Little Big Planet ? You can keep it to yourself.

What consoles have to override Total War, Star Craft, Europa Universalis, sims, point-&-click adventures etc, and a huge pile of Kickstarter exclusives.

Nothing at all. Try harder netx time. 

Uncharted 2 = 96/100

Tomb Raider = 86/100

Max Payne 3 = 87/100

Dead Space 3 = 77/100

Metal Gear Solid 4 = 95/100

Splinter Cell: Conviction = 83/100

God Of War 3 = 92/100

DMC: Devil May Cry = 86/100

Little Big Planet = 95/100

Just shut up.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="happyduds77"]

 ++++++>everything on pc

And soon 

happyduds77

Yey. I counted 7 games, 3 of them, interactive movies. And another is not even released. VS dozens of PC exclusives that actually provide a real gameplay.

Uncharted is counteracted by Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3 and Dead Space 3. 

Metar Gear Solid 4 by Splinter Cell, Deus Ex 3 and Thie 3

God of War  is counteracted by a much more solid Devil May Cry.

Journey is nice Indie game, we have them plenty on PC.

Halo 4 ? Halo 3 is coming to PC.

Little Big Planet ? You can keep it to yourself.

What consoles have to override Total War, Star Craft, Europa Universalis, sims, point-&-click adventures etc, and a huge pile of Kickstarter exclusives.

Nothing at all. Try harder netx time. 

Uncharted 2 = 96/100

Tomb Raider = 86/100

Max Payne 3 = 87/100

Dead Space 3 = 77/100

Metal Gear Solid 4 = 95/100

Splinter Cell: Conviction = 83/100

God Of War 3 = 92/100

DMC: Devil May Cry = 86/100

Little Big Planet = 95/100

Just shut up.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="happyduds77"]

 ++++++>everything on pc

And soon 

happyduds77

Yey. I counted 7 games, 3 of them, interactive movies. And another is not even released. VS dozens of PC exclusives that actually provide a real gameplay.

Uncharted is counteracted by Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3 and Dead Space 3. 

Metar Gear Solid 4 by Splinter Cell, Deus Ex 3 and Thie 3

God of War  is counteracted by a much more solid Devil May Cry.

Journey is nice Indie game, we have them plenty on PC.

Halo 4 ? Halo 3 is coming to PC.

Little Big Planet ? You can keep it to yourself.

What consoles have to override Total War, Star Craft, Europa Universalis, sims, point-&-click adventures etc, and a huge pile of Kickstarter exclusives.

Nothing at all. Try harder netx time. 

Uncharted 2 = 96/100

Tomb Raider = 86/100

Max Payne 3 = 87/100

Dead Space 3 = 77/100

Metal Gear Solid 4 = 95/100

Splinter Cell: Conviction = 83/100

God Of War 3 = 92/100

DMC: Devil May Cry = 86/100

Little Big Planet = 95/100

Just shut up.

Total War Shogun 2: 90

Star Craft 2: 93

Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor 92

Company of Heroes: 93

DCS: A-10C Warthog: 87

Europa Universalis III: Heir to the Throne: 87

Sins of a Solar Empire: 87

So ?

[QUOTE="happyduds77"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Yey. I counted 7 games, 3 of them, interactive movies. And another is not even released. VS dozens of PC exclusives that actually provide a real gameplay.

Uncharted is counteracted by Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3 and Dead Space 3. 

Metar Gear Solid 4 by Splinter Cell, Deus Ex 3 and Thie 3

God of War  is counteracted by a much more solid Devil May Cry.

Journey is nice Indie game, we have them plenty on PC.

Halo 4 ? Halo 3 is coming to PC.

Little Big Planet ? You can keep it to yourself.

 

What consoles have to override Total War, Star Craft, Europa Universalis, sims, point-&-click adventures etc, and a huge pile of Kickstarter exclusives.

Nothing at all. Try harder netx time. 

jhonMalcovich

Uncharted 2 = 96/100

Tomb Raider = 86/100

Max Payne 3 = 87/100

Dead Space 3 = 77/100

Metal Gear Solid 4 = 95/100

Splinter Cell: Conviction = 83/100

God Of War 3 = 92/100

DMC: Devil May Cry = 86/100

Little Big Planet = 95/100

Just shut up.

Total War Shogun 2: 90

Star Craft 2: 93

Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor 92

Company of Heroes: 93

DCS: A-10C Warthog: 87

Europa Universalis III: Heir to the Throne: 87

Sins of a Solar Empire: 87

So ?

[QUOTE="happyduds77"]

Uncharted 2 = 96/100

Tomb Raider = 86/100

Max Payne 3 = 87/100

Dead Space 3 = 77/100

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 = 95/100

Splinter Cell: Conviction = 83/100

 

God Of War 3 = 92/100

DMC: Devil May Cry = 86/100

 

Little Big Planet = 95/100

Just shut up.

jhonMalcovich

Total War Shogun 2: 90

Star Craft 2: 93

Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor 92

Company of Heroes: 93

DCS: A-10C Warthog: 87

Europa Universalis III: Heir to the Throne: 87

Sins of a Solar Empire: 87

So ?

Dude, read over these posts. You tried to rebut those games with similar games, and when the scores were posted, you  entirely  changed the games. What a piss-por argument. Well done.

thats a nice list if you care about rts, sims, and mmos 

the witcher 3 coming to ps4 >>>>>> that entire list :lol:

I havent played many pc exclusives yet but Civilization 5 is pretty damn awesome but having trouble trying to get some friends to buy it.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="happyduds77"]

Uncharted 2 = 96/100

Tomb Raider = 86/100

Max Payne 3 = 87/100

Dead Space 3 = 77/100

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 = 95/100

Splinter Cell: Conviction = 83/100

 

God Of War 3 = 92/100

DMC: Devil May Cry = 86/100

 

Little Big Planet = 95/100

Just shut up.

lundy86_4

Total War Shogun 2: 90

Star Craft 2: 93

Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor 92

Company of Heroes: 93

DCS: A-10C Warthog: 87

Europa Universalis III: Heir to the Throne: 87

Sins of a Solar Empire: 87

So ?

Dude, read over these posts. You tried to rebut those games with similar games, and when the scores were posted, you  entirely  changed the games. What a piss-por argument. Well done.

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Total War Shogun 2: 90

Star Craft 2: 93

Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor 92

Company of Heroes: 93

DCS: A-10C Warthog: 87

Europa Universalis III: Heir to the Throne: 87

Sins of a Solar Empire: 87

So ?

jhonMalcovich

Dude, read over these posts. You tried to rebut those games with similar games, and when the scores were posted, you  entirely  changed the games. What a piss-por argument. Well done.

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Dude, read over these posts. You tried to rebut those games with similar games, and when the scores were posted, you  entirely  changed the games. What a piss-por argument. Well done.

MonsieurX

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

Wasn´t there a thread arround, "Tomb Raider have just made Uncharted franchise irrelevant" ? As you see, many people opine that it can be done.

List misses out on a quite a few gems, yet it stills murders console games. Though tbh, I'm quite sure most of these games aren't "press X to see something awesome" enough for consolites, so....

List misses out on a quite a few gems, yet it stills murders console games. Though tbh, I'm quite sure most of these games aren't "press X to see something awesome" enough for consolites, so....

milannoir

I just didn´t want to make a top 100 :D Too much reading for consolites.

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

jhonMalcovich

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="happyduds77"]

 ++++++>everything on pc

And soon 

happyduds77

Yey. I counted 7 games, 3 of them, interactive movies. And another is not even released. VS dozens of PC exclusives that actually provide a real gameplay.

Uncharted is counteracted by Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3 and Dead Space 3. 

Metar Gear Solid 4 by Splinter Cell, Deus Ex 3 and Thie 3

God of War  is counteracted by a much more solid Devil May Cry.

Journey is nice Indie game, we have them plenty on PC.

Halo 4 ? Halo 3 is coming to PC.

Little Big Planet ? You can keep it to yourself.

What consoles have to override Total War, Star Craft, Europa Universalis, sims, point-&-click adventures etc, and a huge pile of Kickstarter exclusives.

Nothing at all. Try harder netx time. 

Uncharted 2 = 96/100

Tomb Raider = 86/100

Max Payne 3 = 87/100

Dead Space 3 = 77/100

Metal Gear Solid 4 = 95/100

Splinter Cell: Conviction = 83/100

God Of War 3 = 92/100

DMC: Devil May Cry = 86/100

Little Big Planet = 95/100

Just shut up.

The majority of those are on PC...

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

lundy86_4

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

thats a nice list if you care about rts, sims, and mmos 

the witcher 3 coming to ps4 >>>>>> that entire list :lol:

OldSnake-PS3

[QUOTE="OldSnake-PS3"]

thats a nice list if you care about rts, sims, and mmos 

the witcher 3 coming to ps4 >>>>>> that entire list :lol:

clyde46

Boned

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

jhonMalcovich

Wasn´t there a thread arround, "Tomb Raider have just made Uncharted franchise irrelevant" ? As you see, many people opine that it can be done.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

lundy86_4

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

The guy had said that those 7 exclusives were better than my entire list. And I pointed out that I could replace his list with multiplat games of similar genres, but he´s unable to replace my games I have listed with console equivalents.

Shall I explain every detail ? 

Why do cows do these things :lol:

First hyping up TEH CELL, then TEH SPECIAL RAM and now its back to the usual trying to talk trash about pc gamers but end up just looking very dumb.

I love my ps3 but damn, some of you are just pathetic.

It is time for MS and Nintendo fanboys to start doing some of the trash talking around here I think :lol:

Ohhh cows, when will they learn

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] lol You can't "replace" a gameMonsieurX

Wasn´t there a thread arround, "Tomb Raider have just made Uncharted franchise irrelevant" ? As you see, many people opine that it can be done.

But many people supported his claim.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

jhonMalcovich

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

The guy had said that those 7 exclusives were better than my entire list. And I pointed out that I could replace his list with multiplat games of similar genres, but he´s unable to replace my games I have listed with console equivalents.

Shall I explain every detail ? 

No, but could you stop making topics. They're terrible, just blog them instead

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Wasn´t there a thread arround, "Tomb Raider have just made Uncharted franchise irrelevant" ? As you see, many people opine that it can be done.

jhonMalcovich

But many people supported his claim.

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

lostrib

Exactly. PC gamers have  very  valid arguments, yet TC just looks like a complete tw@t.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Made by the stupid robotapple

MonsieurX

But many people supported his claim.

But still Uncharted and Tomb Raider share a lot of gameplay mechanics. Even critics pointed this out. And I didn´t like those mechanics very much, so no reason for me to play Uncharted now.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

jhonMalcovich

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

The guy had said that those 7 exclusives were better than my entire list. And I pointed out that I could replace his list with multiplat games of similar genres, but he´s unable to replace my games I have listed with console equivalents.

Shall I explain every detail ? 

Actually, all he did was post a list of games, to which you offered similar multiplat games, to rebutt the initial ones, which is when he compared scores, and you went off-topic.

You offered random games in rebuttal, which did nothing to dull his point.

Seriously, learn to follow your own debates.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But many people supported his claim.

jhonMalcovich

But still Uncharted and Tomb Raider share a lot of gameplay mechanics. Even critics pointed this out. And I didn´t like those mechanics very much, so no reason for me to play Uncharted now.

that's a lot of "but"s=fail

Uh you can play both? game mechanics don't make an entire game. Might as well play both, I'm sure they have entertaining stories/characters

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

lundy86_4

Exactly. PC gamers have  very  valid arguments, yet TC just looks like a complete tw@t.

Yeah, when your own "faction" wont back you up...it's time to stop.  He should really use the blog feature, so no one will read this crap

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Those games are expendable. I can replace them with multiplat games of similar genre. I don´t care if God of War is 95 and DMC is 87. With what can I replace games I have listed ? With nothing. Here´s my point.

Before I wanted to play Uncharted, now that I have played Tomb Raider I understood I hadn´t lost much.

lostrib

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

At least, my threads aren´t about PS4 vs high end PC infinite discussions. I try to push other topics like discussing games for a change.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But many people supported his claim.

jhonMalcovich

But still Uncharted and Tomb Raider share a lot of gameplay mechanics. Even critics pointed this out. And I didn´t like those mechanics very much, so no reason for me to play Uncharted now.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

jhonMalcovich

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

At least, my threads aren´t about PS4 vs high end PC infinite discussions. I try to push other topics like discussing games for a change.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Nope Nobody supported his claim,read againMonsieurX

But still Uncharted and Tomb Raider share a lot of gameplay mechanics. Even critics pointed this out. And I didn´t like those mechanics very much, so no reason for me to play Uncharted now.

But I just did it. I replaced Uncharted with Tomb Raider and Dead Space 3.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You tried to change your argument, and were called out. Unsurprising. Don't try to BS the rest of the way, OK?

Those games didn't replace the games that were initially listed.

jhonMalcovich

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

At least, my threads aren´t about PS4 vs high end PC infinite discussions. I try to push other topics like discussing games for a change.

They're equally terrible, so not really an accomplishment.  If you want to discuss PC games, go to the PC & Mac Games forum

cool

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

lostrib

Exactly. PC gamers have  very  valid arguments, yet TC just looks like a complete tw@t.

Yeah, when your own "faction" wont back you up...it's time to stop.  He should really use the blog feature, so no one will read this crap

Agreed. It's a shame that people associate Hermits with people like this. Similar with other factions, but Hermits are the new meat.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

I wish he would stop making threads, he makes PC gamers look bad

MonsieurX

At least, my threads aren´t about PS4 vs high end PC infinite discussions. I try to push other topics like discussing games for a change.

It would be very weird if I, being a PC gamer, make threads about how awesome is console gaming. 

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But still Uncharted and Tomb Raider share a lot of gameplay mechanics. Even critics pointed this out. And I didn´t like those mechanics very much, so no reason for me to play Uncharted now.

jhonMalcovich

But I just did it. I replaced Uncharted with Tomb Raider and Dead Space 3.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Exactly. PC gamers have  very  valid arguments, yet TC just looks like a complete tw@t.

lundy86_4

Yeah, when your own "faction" wont back you up...it's time to stop.  He should really use the blog feature, so no one will read this crap

Agreed. It's a shame that people associate Hermits with people like this. Similar with other factions, but Hermits are the new meat.

Lostrib, and Lundi, gtfo from my thread. You don´t behave better than I do. You both are quite ash*les too. 

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Yeah, when your own "faction" wont back you up...it's time to stop.  He should really use the blog feature, so no one will read this crap

jhonMalcovich

Agreed. It's a shame that people associate Hermits with people like this. Similar with other factions, but Hermits are the new meat.

Lostrib, and Lundi, gtfo from my thread. You don´t behave better than I do. You are both are quite ash*les too. 

Aww did we hurt your wittle feelings.  Perhaps if you stopped making terrible threads you wouldnt be bothered. We never said you were an a$$hole we said you make terrible threads, and lundy called you a tw@t

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Still can't replace a game.MonsieurX

But I just did it. I replaced Uncharted with Tomb Raider and Dead Space 3.

Uncharted 3 isn´t a 92 either according to user metacritic.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But I just did it. I replaced Uncharted with Tomb Raider and Dead Space 3.

jhonMalcovich

Uncharted 3 isn´t a 92 either according user metacritic.

user metacritic is a joke...actually metacritic itself is a joke

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] But Dead Space 3 sucks Guess why they canceled the serie nowlostrib

Uncharted 3 isn´t a 92 either according user metacritic.

user metacritic is a joke...actually metacritic itself is a joke

Lostrib, and Lundi, gtfo from my thread. You don´t behave better than I do. You both are quite ash*les too. 

jhonMalcovich

:lol:

No.

What now?

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Lostrib, and Lundi, gtfo from my thread. You don´t behave better than I do. You both are quite ash*les too. 

lundy86_4

:lol:

No.

What now?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Lostrib, and Lundi, gtfo from my thread. You don´t behave better than I do. You both are quite ash*les too. 

clyde46

:lol:

No.

What now?

It's how I roll :cool:

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Uncharted 3 isn´t a 92 either according user metacritic.

clyde46

user metacritic is a joke...actually metacritic itself is a joke

Who cares. I actually like Dead Space 3 for what it offered. Not a goty material, but a solid game. An 8 in my opinion. 

But still I don´t see a reason to play Uncharted after I played Tomb Raider and Dead Space 3. Both game were copying Uncharted in many aspects.