Total worldwide sales. is 360 hitting a ceiling?

Total worldwide sales

Find out how just how well the Wii and DS are selling worldwide, compared to Sony and Microsoft's machines...

The Big Three have revealed their sales figures for the year to date, and more intriguingly, their numbers over-all. The following charts make interesting reading. It should be noted however, that since the 30th of September (when the charts go up to) the Wii has this month over-taken the Xbox 360's lifetime sales, as we have previously reported.

Global Hardware Sales 2007, up until September 30th (and lifetime totals)

• Nintendo DS - 18,030,000 (53,640,000)
• Wii - 9,980,000 | 13,170,000
• PlayStation 2 - 8,400,000 | 123,870,000
• PlayStation Portable - 6,350,000 | 30,110,000
• PlayStation 3 - 3,930,000 | 5,590,000
• Xbox 360 - 3,000,000 | 13,400,000
• Game Boy Advance - 1,620,000 | 80,480,000

Global Software Sales 2007, up until September 30th (and lifetime totals)

• Nintendo DS - 105,250,000 | 259,480,000
• PlayStation 2 - 104,200,000 | 1,309,100,000
• Wii - 48,300,000 | 65,810,000
• PlayStation Portable - 33,600,000 | 123,900,000
• PlayStation 3 - 23,100,000 | 28,400,000
• Game Boy Advance - 10,130,000 | 372,630,000

Nintendo's has earned a net sales total of $6bn in the six months ending 30th September, compared to Sony's game division earning $3.86bn (Sony as a whole earned $35,609,000,000). In terms of actual profit however, Nintendo nearly matched the entire of Sony with $1.17bn, compared to the entire of Sony's $1.23bn. Why so low? Well, the figures show Sony's videogames section actually made a net loss of $1.1bn, which hurt Sony's over-all profit

has anyone noticed that 360 and ps3 year sales are neck in neck?

is the 360 hitting a ceiling?

discuss

At it's current price, it has.

Of course Microsoft still hasn't dropped the price of it's original SKUs, so if we see that happen in the next year, we can expect a new sales pattern. Same deal with the PS3. Their all just striving for that $200 sweet spot.

Total worldwide sales

Find out how just how well the Wii and DS are selling worldwide, compared to Sony and Microsoft's machines...

The Big Three have revealed their sales figures for the year to date, and more intriguingly, their numbers over-all. The following charts make interesting reading. It should be noted however, that since the 30th of September (when the charts go up to) the Wii has this month over-taken the Xbox 360's lifetime sales, as we have previously reported.

Global Hardware Sales 2007, up until September 30th (and lifetime totals)

• Nintendo DS - 18,030,000 (53,640,000)
• Wii - 9,980,000 | 13,170,000
• PlayStation 2 - 8,400,000 | 123,870,000
• PlayStation Portable - 6,350,000 | 30,110,000
• PlayStation 3 - 3,930,000 | 5,590,000
• Xbox 360 - 3,000,000 | 13,400,000
• Game Boy Advance - 1,620,000 | 80,480,000

Global Software Sales 2007, up until September 30th (and lifetime totals)

• Nintendo DS - 105,250,000 | 259,480,000
• PlayStation 2 - 104,200,000 | 1,309,100,000
• Wii - 48,300,000 | 65,810,000
• PlayStation Portable - 33,600,000 | 123,900,000
• PlayStation 3 - 23,100,000 | 28,400,000
• Game Boy Advance - 10,130,000 | 372,630,000

Nintendo's has earned a net sales total of $6bn in the six months ending 30th September, compared to Sony's game division earning $3.86bn (Sony as a whole earned $35,609,000,000). In terms of actual profit however, Nintendo nearly matched the entire of Sony with $1.17bn, compared to the entire of Sony's $1.23bn. Why so low? Well, the figures show Sony's videogames section actually made a net loss of $1.1bn, which hurt Sony's over-all profit

has anyone noticed that 360 and ps3 year sales are neck in neck?

is the 360 hitting a ceiling?

discuss

Juice_24

so if the PS3 and 360 are neck and neck throughout this gen that would mean that the 360 would beat the PS3 as it is just shy of 8 million short...

At it's current price, it has.

Of course Microsoft still hasn't dropped the price of it's original SKUs, so if we see that happen in the next year, we can expect a new sales pattern. Same deal with the PS3. Their all just striving for that $200 sweet spot.

Danm_999

Good point. Its also a little crazy to say "ceiling" when there's so much time left in this generation. They are bound to sell millions more.

With all three consoles pretty much running on all cylinders, this holiday season on will be quite the fight.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

At it's current price, it has.

Of course Microsoft still hasn't dropped the price of it's original SKUs, so if we see that happen in the next year, we can expect a new sales pattern. Same deal with the PS3. Their all just striving for that $200 sweet spot.

The_Crucible

Good point. Its also a little crazy to say "ceiling" when there's so much time left in this generation. They are bound to sell millions more.

With all three consoles pretty much running on all cylinders, this holiday season on will be quite the fight.

it definately will be. Every year and every year's holiday season will show a specific console shine but then another console with have its shining moment and so on... Ultimately the consoles will negate each other to this gen a closer battle than last.

Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?mastarifla

Wrong. 8 million after the first year AND after the 2006 holiday season for Microsoft. In October 2006, before Gears, the 360 only had about 6 to 6.5 million worldwide.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

At it's current price, it has.

Of course Microsoft still hasn't dropped the price of it's original SKUs, so if we see that happen in the next year, we can expect a new sales pattern. Same deal with the PS3. Their all just striving for that $200 sweet spot.

The_Crucible

Good point. Its also a little crazy to say "ceiling" when there's so much time left in this generation. They are bound to sell millions more.

With all three consoles pretty much running on all cylinders, this holiday season on will be quite the fight.

Im under the impression that the majority of 360 owners are originalx-box owners. you only have to look at the games update for that. I dont see the hardcore ps2 RPG/dragonball zgeek crowd going to 360. Im convinced that the RPg momentum is now in the wiis favor.

Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?mastarifla

Im under the impression that the majority of 360 owners are originalx-box owners. you only have to look at the games update for that. I dont see the hardcore ps2 RPG/dragonball zgeek crowd going to 360. Im convinced that the RPg momentum is now in the wiis favor.Juice_24

All of party game people went to Wii.

Why did you miss out the 360 software sales. The 360 software sales must be something like 3 times as much as the PS3. (Higher attach rate of games sold, more arcade games sold and more dlc sold.)

I hope the PS3 does alot better in 2008 than it done this year. They need to sell alot more than the 360 just to catch up in console sales next year.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

At it's current price, it has.

Of course Microsoft still hasn't dropped the price of it's original SKUs, so if we see that happen in the next year, we can expect a new sales pattern. Same deal with the PS3. Their all just striving for that $200 sweet spot.

Juice_24

Good point. Its also a little crazy to say "ceiling" when there's so much time left in this generation. They are bound to sell millions more.

With all three consoles pretty much running on all cylinders, this holiday season on will be quite the fight.

Im under the impression that the majority of 360 owners are originalx-box owners. you only have to look at the games update for that. I dont see the hardcore ps2 RPG/dragonball zgeek crowd going to 360. Im convinced that the RPg momentum is now in the wiis favor.

The sports gamers on the PS2 might go to the 360.

[QUOTE="Juice_24"]Im under the impression that the majority of 360 owners are originalx-box owners. you only have to look at the games update for that. I dont see the hardcore ps2 RPG/dragonball zgeek crowd going to 360. Im convinced that the RPg momentum is now in the wiis favor.Jandurin

All of party game people went to Wii.

I think the JRPG people are staying on the PS3. Besides Square-Enix putting a handful of spinoffs on the Wii, we still haven't seen a major JRPG franchise come over to the Wii, IIRC. And the 360 is receiving new JRPG IPs, but nothing established.

At it's current price, it has.

Of course Microsoft still hasn't dropped the price of it's original SKUs, so if we see that happen in the next year, we can expect a new sales pattern. Same deal with the PS3. Their all just striving for that $200 sweet spot.

Danm_999

They dropped the premium price $50, Elite price $30(woohoo...), and the core price $20 already.

I think the JRPG people are staying on the PS3. Besides Square-Enix putting a handful of spinoffs on the Wii, we still haven't seen a major JRPG franchise come over to the Wii, IIRC. And the 360 is receiving new JRPG IPs, but nothing established.mjarantilla

[QUOTE="Juice_24"]Im under the impression that the majority of 360 owners are originalx-box owners. you only have to look at the games update for that. I dont see the hardcore ps2 RPG/dragonball zgeek crowd going to 360. Im convinced that the RPg momentum is now in the wiis favor.Jandurin

All of party game people went to Wii.

Well are japanese rpgs selling on 360?

Next year we Have tales FF and Monster hunter coming to wii. Nintendo will dominate the rpg genre starting next year.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Juice_24"]Im under the impression that the majority of 360 owners are originalx-box owners. you only have to look at the games update for that. I dont see the hardcore ps2 RPG/dragonball zgeek crowd going to 360. Im convinced that the RPg momentum is now in the wiis favor.Juice_24

All of party game people went to Wii.

Well are japanese rpgs selling on 360?

Next year we Have tales FF and Monster hunter coming to wii. Nintendo will dominate the rpg genre starting next year.

Wii doesn't have FF. They have FF spinoffs. Important difference.

Where are the 360 software totals ?BambooBanger

Thats what made me question the reliablity of the numbers. Lack of 360 software numbers and the inflated PSP hardware sales by 5 million.

Why is the 360 outselling the Wii worldwide again? *sigh* It seems like people just take information as its spoon fed into you without any thought or question about the legitemacy of its source.

If you scroll to the bottom of the linked website you will find the source of the article which credits Gamespot and a website called "C3." (There is not an article on Gamespot that lists these numbers as stated in this thread) There it still doesn't give credit to a reliable source but instead credits some guy by the name of "LinkyShinks."

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]Where are the 360 software totals ?Pro_wrestler

Thats what made me question the reliablity of the numbers. Lack of 360 software numbers and the inflated PSP hardware sales by 5 million.

Why is the 360 outselling the Wii worldwide again? *sigh* It seems like people just take information as its spoon fed into you without any thought or question about the legitemacy of its source.

If you scroll to the bottom of the linked website you will find the source of the article which credits Gamespot and a website called "C3." (There is not an article on Gamespot that lists these numbers as stated in this thread) There it still doesn't give credit to a reliable source but instead credits some guy by the name of "LinkyShinks."

Your correct the 360 numbers seem inflated.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]Where are the 360 software totals ?Pro_wrestler

Thats what made me question the reliablity of the numbers. Lack of 360 software numbers and the inflated PSP hardware sales by 5 million.

Why is the 360 outselling the Wii worldwide again? *sigh* It seems like people just take information as its spoon fed into you without any thought or question about the legitemacy of its source.

If you scroll to the bottom of the linked website you will find the source of the article which credits Gamespot and a website called "C3." (There is not an article on Gamespot that lists these numbers as stated in this thread) There it still doesn't give credit to a reliable source but instead credits some guy by the name of "LinkyShinks."

Those are shipped 360 numbers. Easily deduced when you subtract the 3 million the 360 has supposedly sold this year fromt he 13.4 million LTD number given: total 10.4 million, the same number of consoles shipped quoted at the MS conference at the beginning of this year.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]Where are the 360 software totals ?Juice_24

Thats what made me question the reliablity of the numbers. Lack of 360 software numbers and the inflated PSP hardware sales by 5 million.

Why is the 360 outselling the Wii worldwide again? *sigh* It seems like people just take information as its spoon fed into you without any thought or question about the legitemacy of its source.

If you scroll to the bottom of the linked website you will find the source of the article which credits Gamespot and a website called "C3." (There is not an article on Gamespot that lists these numbers as stated in this thread) There it still doesn't give credit to a reliable source but instead credits some guy by the name of "LinkyShinks."

Your correct the 360 numbers seem inflated.

Reading comprehension?

There are mor RPGs on earth than final fantasy

They have fire emblem, pokemon,

tales of symphonia 2

Monster hunter 3

Dragon quest spinoff

If you think that 360 will surpass the wii in the Rpg market your mistaken.

the only thing propping sony up is square.

There are mor RPGs on earth than final fantasy

They have fire emblem, pokemon,

tales of symphonia 2

Monster hunter 3

Dragon quest spinoff

If you think that 360 will surpass the wii in the Rpg market your mistaken.

the only thing propping sony up is square.

Juice_24

Where did these numbers come from?

It's pretty difficult to track world wide sales, especially with the margins for error.

Where did these numbers come from?

It's pretty difficult to track world wide sales, especially with the margins for error.

sts9kid

Probably from the quarterly financial reports that Sony, MS and Nintendo released a couple of weeks ago.

[QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?GARRYTH

Hmm. Handhelds seem to be getting the best RPG support lately, actually.Jandurin

The DS is the new PS2. I would not be surprised if the next gen incorporates portability in some way.

[QUOTE="sts9kid"]

Where did these numbers come from?

It's pretty difficult to track world wide sales, especially with the margins for error.

mjarantilla

Probably from the quarterly financial reports that Sony, MS and Nintendo released a couple of weeks ago.

They only show shipped to retail numbers though so how these people are getting sold to customer numbers is beyond me? I guess they are going by one of those bogus fanboy sites, either nextgenwars or VGchartz? It is a known fact the only numbers that come out weekly are Japan. Every one else, Canada, US, UK, Australia, etc come out monthly, except for Europe and Asia which only come out once a year and those numbers are even estimates and normally come out in January or February time frame so the rest of the year is a complete mistery as far as who is doing what.

I personally just go by shipped to retail numbers. Nintendo I believe has 13.7 Wiis shipped, then MS with 13.4 million 360s shipped and last is Sony with about 5.6 million PS3s shipped.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sts9kid"]

Where did these numbers come from?

It's pretty difficult to track world wide sales, especially with the margins for error.

RonnieLottinSF

Probably from the quarterly financial reports that Sony, MS and Nintendo released a couple of weeks ago.

They only show shipped to retail numbers though so how these people are getting sold to customer numbers is beyond me? I guess they are going by one of those bogus fanboy sites, either nextgenwars or VGchartz? It is a known fact the only numbers that come out weekly are Japan. Every one else, Canada, US, UK, Australia, etc come out monthly, except for Europe and Asia which only come out once a year and those numbers are even estimates and normally come out in January or February time frame so the rest of the year is a complete mistery as far as who is doing what.

I personally just go by shipped to retail numbers. Nintendo I believe has 13.7 Wiis shipped, then MS with 13.4 million 360s shipped and last is Sony with about 5.6 million PS3s shipped.

These aren't "sold to customer" numbers. These are "shipped to retailers" numbers. Except possibly for Nintendo, since I think Nintendo usually claims "sold to consumers" in their press conferences.

Total worldwide sales

Find out how just how well the Wii and DS are selling worldwide, compared to Sony and Microsoft's machines...

The Big Three have revealed their sales figures for the year to date, and more intriguingly, their numbers over-all. The following charts make interesting reading. It should be noted however, that since the 30th of September (when the charts go up to) the Wii has this month over-taken the Xbox 360's lifetime sales, as we have previously reported.

Global Hardware Sales 2007, up until September 30th (and lifetime totals)

• Nintendo DS - 18,030,000 (53,640,000)
• Wii - 9,980,000 | 13,170,000
• PlayStation 2 - 8,400,000 | 123,870,000
• PlayStation Portable - 6,350,000 | 30,110,000
• PlayStation 3 - 3,930,000 | 5,590,000
• Xbox 360 - 3,000,000 | 13,400,000
• Game Boy Advance - 1,620,000 | 80,480,000

Global Software Sales 2007, up until September 30th (and lifetime totals)

• Nintendo DS - 105,250,000 | 259,480,000
• PlayStation 2 - 104,200,000 | 1,309,100,000
• Wii - 48,300,000 | 65,810,000
• PlayStation Portable - 33,600,000 | 123,900,000
• PlayStation 3 - 23,100,000 | 28,400,000
• Game Boy Advance - 10,130,000 | 372,630,000

Nintendo's has earned a net sales total of $6bn in the six months ending 30th September, compared to Sony's game division earning $3.86bn (Sony as a whole earned $35,609,000,000). In terms of actual profit however, Nintendo nearly matched the entire of Sony with $1.17bn, compared to the entire of Sony's $1.23bn. Why so low? Well, the figures show Sony's videogames section actually made a net loss of $1.1bn, which hurt Sony's over-all profit

has anyone noticed that 360 and ps3 year sales are neck in neck?

is the 360 hitting a ceiling?

discuss

Juice_24

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sts9kid"]

Where did these numbers come from?

It's pretty difficult to track world wide sales, especially with the margins for error.

mjarantilla

Probably from the quarterly financial reports that Sony, MS and Nintendo released a couple of weeks ago.

They only show shipped to retail numbers though so how these people are getting sold to customer numbers is beyond me? I guess they are going by one of those bogus fanboy sites, either nextgenwars or VGchartz? It is a known fact the only numbers that come out weekly are Japan. Every one else, Canada, US, UK, Australia, etc come out monthly, except for Europe and Asia which only come out once a year and those numbers are even estimates and normally come out in January or February time frame so the rest of the year is a complete mistery as far as who is doing what.

I personally just go by shipped to retail numbers. Nintendo I believe has 13.7 Wiis shipped, then MS with 13.4 million 360s shipped and last is Sony with about 5.6 million PS3s shipped.

These aren't "sold to customer" numbers. These are "shipped to retailers" numbers. Except possibly for Nintendo, since I think Nintendo usually claims "sold to consumers" in their press conferences.

That was kind of my point and Nintendo also has shipped to retail in their report, although just like MS and Sony, they will use the term "sold" and in their case it is sold because once the retailer buys it, it has been sold.

There are no reliable sold through to customer numbers. Even the NPD is a estimate so the people trying to claim they know Asia and Europe numbers, which really doesn't have a legit counting system, are stupid. Hell using the term VGchartz will get you banned over at Neogaf. They basically challenged the guy who ran the site to give concrete evidence on how he gets his weekly numbers and he couldn't come up with anything so he was banned.

I said it amillion times there selling at the same rate. PS3 hate is coming from Jelous lemmings trying to exajurate. PS3 still hasn't had the Must own game yet and 360 has 3 so i wouldn't be bragging if i was a 360 owner next year and the 360's future is dated.peacebringer

I've said it a million times before, they're selling at roughly the same rate. The PS3 hate is coming mainly from jealous lemmings tring to exaggerate the 360's sales. The PS3 still hasn't had its "must own" games and the 360 has had 3, so I wouldn't be bragging if I were a 360 owner next year. P.S. The 360's future is dated.

P.P.S. I hope I spelled everything write (:o)and got the grammar correct, or someone is gonna hit me back :P

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sts9kid"]

Where did these numbers come from?

It's pretty difficult to track world wide sales, especially with the margins for error.

RonnieLottinSF

Probably from the quarterly financial reports that Sony, MS and Nintendo released a couple of weeks ago.

They only show shipped to retail numbers though so how these people are getting sold to customer numbers is beyond me? I guess they are going by one of those bogus fanboy sites, either nextgenwars or VGchartz? It is a known fact the only numbers that come out weekly are Japan. Every one else, Canada, US, UK, Australia, etc come out monthly, except for Europe and Asia which only come out once a year and those numbers are even estimates and normally come out in January or February time frame so the rest of the year is a complete mistery as far as who is doing what.

I personally just go by shipped to retail numbers. Nintendo I believe has 13.7 Wiis shipped, then MS with 13.4 million 360s shipped and last is Sony with about 5.6 million PS3s shipped.

These aren't "sold to customer" numbers. These are "shipped to retailers" numbers. Except possibly for Nintendo, since I think Nintendo usually claims "sold to consumers" in their press conferences.

That was kind of my point and Nintendo also has shipped to retail in their report, although just like MS and Sony, they will use the term "sold" and in their case it is sold because once the retailer buys it, it has been sold.

There are no reliable sold through to customer numbers. Even the NPD is a estimate so the people trying to claim they know Asia and Europe numbers, which really doesn't have a legit counting system, are stupid. Hell using the term VGchartz will get you banned over at Neogaf. They basically challenged the guy who ran the site to give concrete evidence on how he gets his weekly numbers and he couldn't come up with anything so he was banned.

During its press conferences, Nintendo always says, "so-and-so million DSes and Wiis in gamers' hands." So they're always explicit in their press conferences. But I guess since these quarterly reports go to a much smaller audience, they aren't worried as much about their public image.

Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?mastarifla

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]Where are the 360 software totals ?mjarantilla

Thats what made me question the reliablity of the numbers. Lack of 360 software numbers and the inflated PSP hardware sales by 5 million.

Why is the 360 outselling the Wii worldwide again? *sigh* It seems like people just take information as its spoon fed into you without any thought or question about the legitemacy of its source.

If you scroll to the bottom of the linked website you will find the source of the article which credits Gamespot and a website called "C3." (There is not an article on Gamespot that lists these numbers as stated in this thread) There it still doesn't give credit to a reliable source but instead credits some guy by the name of "LinkyShinks."

Those are shipped 360 numbers. Easily deduced when you subtract the 3 million the 360 has supposedly sold this year fromt he 13.4 million LTD number given: total 10.4 million, the same number of consoles shipped quoted at the MS conference at the beginning of this year.

So we know the 360 numbers are accurate which anyone can prove/disprove if you follow NPD. This article says 13.4 million shipped and Vgchartz is reporting 12.4 sold, then that leaves about a million in the retail channel which seems about accurate.

Still though: Why the exclusion of the X360 software numbers when NPD just released them. Why is the PSP number overly inflated to 30 million. I know from first hand experience that there aren't 5 million PSP's sitting in the retail channel if VGChartz is report 24.9 million PSP's sold.

Just questioning the source of the article because it seems like something someone threw together. You wouldn't want to be the CEO/CFO of a large business only to have a whole portion of your pie-chart missing information as this article seems to be conveying. If I wanted a certain element to look bad/look good in my favor, the exclusion of information would be the place to start in my reports.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I think the JRPG people are staying on the PS3. Besides Square-Enix putting a handful of spinoffs on the Wii, we still haven't seen a major JRPG franchise come over to the Wii, IIRC. And the 360 is receiving new JRPG IPs, but nothing established.Jandurin

Like me. I would have gotten a PS3 had there been word about a Kingdom Hearts 3 to the PS3 but there wasn't, so im kind of skeptical about it. Nothing really interests me on the PS3, Star Ocean 4 hasn't been confirmed to be exclusive to my knowledge, so I really have no reason to get one.

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?Pro_wrestler

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?Imallvol7

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

Get off your snob filled pedistle, price has the least to do with it in this case. X360 launched with the highest console price of the last 15 years yet its still selling well because of its games. Its called value, not price. The number one complaint when the PS3 launch was its lack of justifiable software and the number 1 excuse today used by cows is "Just wait" in reference to its upcoming lineup of hopefully justifiable games.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="sts9kid"]

Where did these numbers come from?

It's pretty difficult to track world wide sales, especially with the margins for error.

mjarantilla

Probably from the quarterly financial reports that Sony, MS and Nintendo released a couple of weeks ago.

They only show shipped to retail numbers though so how these people are getting sold to customer numbers is beyond me? I guess they are going by one of those bogus fanboy sites, either nextgenwars or VGchartz? It is a known fact the only numbers that come out weekly are Japan. Every one else, Canada, US, UK, Australia, etc come out monthly, except for Europe and Asia which only come out once a year and those numbers are even estimates and normally come out in January or February time frame so the rest of the year is a complete mistery as far as who is doing what.

I personally just go by shipped to retail numbers. Nintendo I believe has 13.7 Wiis shipped, then MS with 13.4 million 360s shipped and last is Sony with about 5.6 million PS3s shipped.

These aren't "sold to customer" numbers. These are "shipped to retailers" numbers. Except possibly for Nintendo, since I think Nintendo usually claims "sold to consumers" in their press conferences.

That was kind of my point and Nintendo also has shipped to retail in their report, although just like MS and Sony, they will use the term "sold" and in their case it is sold because once the retailer buys it, it has been sold.

There are no reliable sold through to customer numbers. Even the NPD is a estimate so the people trying to claim they know Asia and Europe numbers, which really doesn't have a legit counting system, are stupid. Hell using the term VGchartz will get you banned over at Neogaf. They basically challenged the guy who ran the site to give concrete evidence on how he gets his weekly numbers and he couldn't come up with anything so he was banned.

During its press conferences, Nintendo always says, "so-and-so million DSes and Wiis in gamers' hands." So they're always explicit in their press conferences. But I guess since these quarterly reports go to a much smaller audience, they aren't worried as much about their public image.

And MS says the exact same thing. Go look up the report on Yahoo's tech site about MS's quarter report. A PR guy says "sold to customer" I believea few times in that report. Only a tool would believe that because MS, nor Nintendo keeps up with those numbers. All they care about are the sold to retail numbers which is what they put in their report every quarter and year. Sony has two numbers. They like to tell every one how many systems they have made and I believe every other quarter they will give out shipped to retail numbers.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?mjarantilla

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

Get off your snob filled pedistle, price has the least to do with it in this case. X360 launched with the highest console price of the last 15 years yet its still selling well because of its games. Its called value, not price. The number one complaint when the PS3 launch was its lack of justifiable software and the number 1 excuse today used by cows is "Just wait" in reference to its upcoming lineup of hopefully justifiable games.

Er, the 360 is not selling well at all. In fact, it's only a few million ahead of the original Xbox. 13 million in two years, whereas the original Xbox only sold 25 million in 5 years.

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

Pro_wrestler

Exactly. Also MS is poised to be up around 19 to 20 million units shipped to retail by the end of 2007. Last time I checked, the XBOX sold 25 million units in 5 years so that means by the end of 2008, the 360 should have surpassed XBOX sales in half the time.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?Pro_wrestler

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

Get off your snob filled pedistle, price has the least to do with it in this case. X360 launched with the highest console price of the last 15 years yet its still selling well because of its games. Its called value, not price. The number one complaint when the PS3 launch was its lack of justifiable software and the number 1 excuse today used by cows is "Just wait" in reference to its upcoming lineup of hopefully justifiable games.

Er, the 360 is not selling well at all. In fact, it's only a few million ahead of the original Xbox. 13 million in two years, whereas the original Xbox only sold 25 million in 5 years.

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

I'm not dismissing any factors. No one cares that it costs $400, and no one cares that it's overrun by hardware failures. At the end of the day, it's still selling poorly compared to its predecessors. Anything else is just an excuse that does no one any good.

EDIT: By "no one," I mean no one who works in the gaming industry. All they'll see at the end of the day is a console that has struggled to sell 13 million consoles in two years.