Trophies Reflect Skill More than Achievements

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#1 jakarai
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Almost everyone that owns an Xbox 360 wants to have a high gamer score to boast about. While it's obvious from a high gamer score that a person has a love for playing video games, it usually doesn't mean that this person is a particularly skilled gamer. Most gamers that have a high gamer score have simply played a lot of games. That person usually doesn't have a 1,000 out of 1,000 on any of their games. Perhaps this person only has an Xbox 360, or perhaps this person only buys multiplatform games for the Xbox 360. Whichever the case, it's clear that a gamer score doesn't say too much about a gamers skill. However, the trophy system for the Playstation 3 says a lot about the way a person plays a game, and their skill level.The trophy system can embarrass gamers accustomed to playing a ton of games on the Xbox 360 and only completing them once or halfway through.

If you were to play every Playstation 3 game that supports trophies like this, you would probably gather a nice collection of the lowest trophy you can earn, which is a bronze trophy. 100 bronze trophies with no silver, gold, or platinum trophies to accompany them makes a gamer look a lot more amateurish than a gamer with a gamer score of 10,000 on the Xbox 360 with most of their games only having 300 out of 1000 points awarded. The reason for this is that when you pull up someone's personal information on the Playstation Network, you are not only shown the level of that person, and the number of trophies they possess, but the kind of trophies they've earned as well. This person may have more trophies than you, but because the majority of his are bronze, and the majority of yours are bronze and silver, you may be a higher level than him.

It's obvious that the trophy system rewards skill with prestige more than the Xbox 360's achievement system. Yes, you can look over a persons games on Xbox Live to see how many points they've accumulated in each individual game, but it's not mandatory when looking at someone's profile. You are simply shown the gamer score itself. If it's high, you're impressed, if it's low, you're dismissive. Meanwhile, this person with the 3,000 gamer score may have 1,000 out of 1,000 on all of his three games, and is probably the guy out-killing you 5 to 1 in a match of Call of Duty 4 for example.

The achievement system of the Xbox 360 may be a better business decision, because it can make a gamer with average skill feel like a gaming god because of his tremendous gamer score, thus persuading him to buy more games to increase his score. However, gamers that want to flaunt their true skill in the faces of others cannot deny the draw of the trophy system on the Playstation 3. You can guffaw at a gamer's 45 bronze trophies, while he ogles your much sought after platinum trophies. In conclusion, the trophy system is a much more effective way of showing off your gaming skill than the achievement system.

Any person with a good amount of money can pad their gamer score, but it takes a lot of hard work and skill to earn those platinum trophies. This article is not meant to be insulting to Xbox 360 gamers, because there are many that complete their games fully to earn all 1,000 points. However, this accomplishment is often overlooked if their overall score is low. The trophy system motivates gamers to fully complete their games to earn more trophies, because most gamers do not want to look like a well-paid amateur with his or her not-so-impressive collection of bronze trophies.

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I agree with this 100%.

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#2 goblaa
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And they both reflect a major waste of time and electricity.
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#3 foxhound_fox
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I play games for fun. Achievements and trophies are just a way of adding replay value. Anyone who plays games solely to earn achievements and trophies in order to brag about being "skilled" are not gamers.
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#4 alexmurray
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You can see what games they own/have played and if they have avatar or hide their games I dont care about their gamerscore
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#5 dotWithShoes
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To each his own.
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1- STUPID Source 2- In terms of multiplats you get an achievement for the same thing you get a Trophy for :| 3- They both represent the same thing.....I did "blank" in "blank" game. Achievements and Trophies don't show how skilled a person is at the game.
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#7 SpruceCaboose
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They are the same thing. I cannot believe people keep insisting that they are different.
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#8 Dystopian-X
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The great thing about achievements/trophies isn't doing things you wouldn't normally do adding a lot of re playability to games, it's showing everyone online I did.

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I play games for fun. Achievements and trophies are just a way of adding replay value. Anyone who plays games solely to earn achievements and trophies in order to brag about being "skilled" are not gamers.foxhound_fox

Agreed. I usually don't bother about getting all the achievements; if one is in my grasp I'll go for it, but otherwise I don't bother.

About the only games that I'm willing to push to get every achievement are probably Halo 3 and Fable 2... possibly LO someday... and if any other game interests me enough I would. But this isn't for the score, merely for the experience and challenge.

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#11 Giancar
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Meh, those are the same, and I don't really care but I got addicted for Uncharted throphies :P
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With Trophies now standard for games in 2009, what's stopping anyone here from hoarding and getting trophies? You realize that because some people pick easy achievements, what's stopping other games on PS3 from easy golds and silvers to boost their rank? Seriously people.... Also, you can look at the list of achievements they have, compare them with yours on the fly, and see what kind of person they are. On trophies you could see a bunch or bronze, but like I said, with it being standard, nothing's stopping from there being easy silvers and the like, and you really won't know WHAT trophies they got, at least not at this point. Only like the last 5 or so.
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I play games for fun. Achievements and trophies are just a way of adding replay value. Anyone who plays games solely to earn achievements and trophies in order to brag about being "skilled" are not gamers.foxhound_fox
They add replay value.
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#14 Parasomniac
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It depends what the achievements are. Some achievements in games are just simple things while others are a grind. Like Oblivion achievements you just do the guild quests and the main quests and you have 1000/1000, while in Dead Rising you have to kill 53,594 zombies to get one achievement.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]1- STUPID Source 2- In terms of multiplats you get an achievement for the same thing you get a Trophy for :| 3- They both represent the same thing.....I did "blank" in "blank" game. Achievements and Trophies don't show how skilled a person is at the game.

I guess you just read the topic title and didn't even bother to read the article or you just skimmed over it or something....
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I would actually keep myself busy with them if they were rewarding.A good example of this is uncharted.You get a lot of unlockables for doing all the challenges.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]1- STUPID Source 2- In terms of multiplats you get an achievement for the same thing you get a Trophy for :| 3- They both represent the same thing.....I did "blank" in "blank" game. Achievements and Trophies don't show how skilled a person is at the game.jakarai
I guess you just read the topic title and didn't even bother to read the article or you just skimmed over it or something....

They are the same thing.....how is that hard to see
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With Trophies now standard for games in 2009, what's stopping anyone here from hoarding and getting trophies? You realize that because some people pick easy achievements, what's stopping other games on PS3 from easy golds and silvers to boost their rank? Seriously people.... Also, you can look at the list of achievements they have, compare them with yours on the fly, and see what kind of person they are. On trophies you could see a bunch or bronze, but like I said, with it being standard, nothing's stopping from there being easy silvers and the like, and you really won't know WHAT trophies they got, at least not at this point. Only like the last 5 or so. yoshi_64

Umm you can compare trophy lists with any of your friends and if they have a card like whats in my sig u can as well. Usually silver and gold trophies arent easy. The easiest ones are prolly the collection golds where you have to find all of x item throughout the game. Golds are pretty hard to get, I have a lot of trophies but only 19 gold. Padding with gold ones isnt very plausible.

That said, these are the same, only difference is PSN users can see right away who has more while XBL users have to go to through each game to see what they have.

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[QUOTE="jakarai"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]1- STUPID Source 2- In terms of multiplats you get an achievement for the same thing you get a Trophy for :| 3- They both represent the same thing.....I did "blank" in "blank" game. Achievements and Trophies don't show how skilled a person is at the game.jg4xchamp
I guess you just read the topic title and didn't even bother to read the article or you just skimmed over it or something....

They are the same thing.....how is that hard to see

He's saying that you look at individual trophies and you look at a persons gamerscore and not the actual achievement (even though you can)

I agree they are the same thing

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With Trophies now standard for games in 2009, what's stopping anyone here from hoarding and getting trophies? You realize that because some people pick easy achievements, what's stopping other games on PS3 from easy golds and silvers to boost their rank? Seriously people.... Also, you can look at the list of achievements they have, compare them with yours on the fly, and see what kind of person they are. On trophies you could see a bunch or bronze, but like I said, with it being standard, nothing's stopping from there being easy silvers and the like, and you really won't know WHAT trophies they got, at least not at this point. Only like the last 5 or so. yoshi_64

To get platinum trophies you need to get all bronze, silver and gold trophies. To get a high gamer score all you need to do is play alot of games. That's what this article is all about. Yeah some of you are damage controlling. It's funny how when listing reasons why Xbox Live is better then PSN some of you will put because Achievements are standard in all games but now all of a sudden Achievements are a waste of time and true gamers wouldn't try to get them all. LOL

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Or you could see the description of an achievement and decide for yourself if that achievement took a lot of effort to get :|
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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]With Trophies now standard for games in 2009, what's stopping anyone here from hoarding and getting trophies? You realize that because some people pick easy achievements, what's stopping other games on PS3 from easy golds and silvers to boost their rank? Seriously people.... Also, you can look at the list of achievements they have, compare them with yours on the fly, and see what kind of person they are. On trophies you could see a bunch or bronze, but like I said, with it being standard, nothing's stopping from there being easy silvers and the like, and you really won't know WHAT trophies they got, at least not at this point. Only like the last 5 or so. jakarai

To get platinum trophies you need to get all bronze, silver and gold trophies. To get a high gamer score all you need to do is play alot of games. That's what this article is all about. Yeah some of you are damage controlling. It's funny how when listing reasons why Xbox Live is better then PSN some of you will put because Achievements are standard in all games but now all of a sudden Achievements are a waste of time and true gamers wouldn't try to get them all. LOL

what you get platnum trophies for is the kind of stuff you get a 50g or depending on the scoring of the game 300g achievement for Its a slightly different system in terms of design...but similar results....Its not what you get, but what you are getting it for...and niehter of them show any skill what so ever Getting all platinum trohpies or all the achievements in one game doesn't mean you are the best at it, or even great at it. YOu might only be good at best when compared against some one else.
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#24 ImOldGreg
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....yeah ....no
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#25 sonicmj1
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I get achievements or trophies for fun.

Why care so much about which random number better shows how skilled a gamer you are? It's silly. Does it really make your games more or less fun?

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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]With Trophies now standard for games in 2009, what's stopping anyone here from hoarding and getting trophies? You realize that because some people pick easy achievements, what's stopping other games on PS3 from easy golds and silvers to boost their rank? Seriously people.... Also, you can look at the list of achievements they have, compare them with yours on the fly, and see what kind of person they are. On trophies you could see a bunch or bronze, but like I said, with it being standard, nothing's stopping from there being easy silvers and the like, and you really won't know WHAT trophies they got, at least not at this point. Only like the last 5 or so. jakarai

To get platinum trophies you need to get all bronze, silver and gold trophies. To get a high gamer score all you need to do is play alot of games. That's what this article is all about. Yeah some of you are damage controlling. It's funny how when listing reasons why Xbox Live is better then PSN some of you will put because Achievements are standard in all games but now all of a sudden Achievements are a waste of time and true gamers wouldn't try to get them all. LOL

But gold trophies on one game arnt going to be the same level of difficulty of anouther

on XBL easy achievements are worth 10 gamerscore and hard ones are usally worth 50 gamerscore normal is about 30

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#27 WilliamRLBaker
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This is a member run blog which is independent of goozex.inc thats all i really need to read.
Because no argument that person has or you have can prove factual that achievements or trophies are any better then the other renegade.
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Wait, what!?! :|

Most multiplats have the same number of Trophies and Achievements and the same way to activate them.

How can one reflect more skill if both are the same? :|

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#29 WilliamRLBaker
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Wait, what!?! :|

Most multiplats have the same number of Trophies and Achievements and the same way to activate them.

How can one reflect more skill if both are the same? :|

one_on_one
Because the TC is renegade known far and wide for ALL ways posting anti 360 articles all ways...so thats probably why he agrees with it.
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#30 Shafftehr
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While I think both of these systems is idiotic, you do realize that you can look at a breakdown of gamerscore game by game clearly showing whether the person has played 10 games to 200 points each or 2 games to 1000 points each, right?
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#31 foxhound_fox
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Who are you to say who is and isn't a gamer? Did you strike out in your tee ball league and now you don't want anything to be about competition?wmc540

Competition isn't for everyone... and only playing something to compete with others has always seemed to me to be a waste of time. Competition can cause hockey dads to beat each other to within an inch of their life.

If you want to be able to brag about the size of your score on the internet, go ahead, I'll just keep playing games for fun.
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I always viewed trophies as guides to encourage you to try different things in the game or to meet certain challenges thrown at you by devs (or whoever deals with trophies) to increase play time.... if I enjoy the game I'll take the challenge, if I don't then forget it...it is wrong to assume that people are skilled or not in certain games because they grind day and night to get trophies...it doesn't reflect skill, it simply reflects someone's dedication and desire for a game.

I'd guess the same thing about achievements.

I have several games I play, and a few that support trophies...Pain, prince of persia, deadspace, uncharted and farcry 2...I have a platinum in uncharted and prince of persia only and I'm now shooting for a platinum in deadspace...I have no desire to get any trophies for farcry 2 and pain because I don't really enjoy the games that much...so what does that tell you?

The fact that I'm willing to grind away to get all trophies in certain games more so than others dictates that I'm doing it because I enjoy playing those games...not that I'm skilled in those games.

You are wrong sir.

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I play games for fun. Achievements and trophies are just a way of adding replay value. Anyone who plays games solely to earn achievements and trophies in order to brag about being "skilled" are not gamers.foxhound_fox

This. I don't play games for achievements/trophies, I get achievements/trophies for playing games.

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And they both reflect a major waste of time and electricity.goblaa
If you feel that way, why are you here? Go do something else if you feel games are a waste of time.
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And Skill Points reflect and reward players better than both. ;)
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]And they both reflect a major waste of time and electricity.Screamteam411
If you feel that way, why are you here? Go do something else if you feel games are a waste of time.

You don't understand correctly...He's talking about achievements/trophies themselves not the games.
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#37 smokedope420
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kicking someones ass 1 vs 1=skill

achievements/trophies=no skill

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#38 Dreams-Visions
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yes, they do accurately reflect more skill.
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this is really sad...
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#40 Dreams-Visions
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kicking someones ass 1 vs 1=skill

achievements/trophies=no skill

smokedope420
no, some trophies do suppose a certain level of proficiency with the game in order to get them. top trophy means you've obtained all individual trophies available in the game. that's a helluva feat in most games. but yea, it doesn't necessarily predict vs skills. unless the trophies are like the DOA4 trophies (where you'd get certain trophies for reaching A, AA, S ranks, etc.)
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wow now crappy blogs are facts.
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wow now crappy blogs are facts.McdonaIdsGuy
it's still true.
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#43 TOAO_Cyrus1
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Achievements arent supposed to reflect skill, they are supposed to represent how much of the game you have completed. They also encourage people to try things they would have never thought of otherwise. If a game has competitive multiplayer then it will have a ranking system to reflect skill.
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I play games for fun. Achievements and trophies are just a way of adding replay value. Anyone who plays games solely to earn achievements and trophies in order to brag about being "skilled" are not gamers.foxhound_fox
Wow you read my mind I was going to say the same thing
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#45 II_Seraphim_II
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Really? Have we gone so low as to claim ownage based on trophies and achievements? :?
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#46 -DrRobotnik-
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Trophies and Achievements are just methods to add replay value to a game. I doubt anyone really thinks of them as measures of skill, i sure don't. Trophies are cool and all, its just a pity it takes a year to load up a friends profile to see their trophies.
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#47 Dreams-Visions
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Achievements arent supposed to reflect skill, they are supposed to represent how much of the game you have completed. They also encourage people to try things they would have never thought of otherwise. If a game has competitive multiplayer then it will have a ranking system to reflect skill.TOAO_Cyrus1
good point.
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#48 XturnalS
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Achievements arent supposed to reflect skill, they are supposed to represent how much of the game you have completed. They also encourage people to try things they would have never thought of otherwise. If a game has competitive multiplayer then it will have a ranking system to reflect skill.TOAO_Cyrus1
That has some validity, some are simple to get you to do something you otherwise wouldnt have. In BFBC, you get a trophy for bringing down a helicopter with a laser guidence system, when normally most people would shoot it with rockets. But alot of trophies/achievements take skill. I platinum'd bioshock recently and the hardest one to get is "I chose the Impossible" which you have to beat the game on survivor mode w/o vita-chambers. And that is hard, especially at the beginning when your plasmids and weapons arent as effective and enemies do more damage. BD can kill in 2 hits. Thats a reflection of skill, it takes a certain skill level to beat the game on hard w/o VC. Same goes for other games, takes some skill to get Mile High on Vet,
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#49 SpinoRaptor24
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No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

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#50 InfinityMugen
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Both of them utterly useless. Just like the avatars in Live and Home and even the Mii's. Playing a game is meant to be fun? Why are people forgetting this simple concept?:?