Trophies Reflect Skill More than Achievements

Sure some Trophies/Achievements may take skill to unlock but to say that one over the other makes you more skillful is outrageous.

[QUOTE="jakarai"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]1- STUPID Source 2- In terms of multiplats you get an achievement for the same thing you get a Trophy for :| 3- They both represent the same thing.....I did "blank" in "blank" game. Achievements and Trophies don't show how skilled a person is at the game.jg4xchamp

Trophies use the power of 'Teh Cell', with the Cell it scans the gamer to tell what the skill level of that gamer.:P

I remember when the cows were saying that Achievements were pointless, now that they get Trophies, their system better reflects skill than the 360s. It is pretty much the same.

No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

SpinoRaptor24

I play games for fun. Achievements and trophies are just a way of adding replay value. Anyone who plays games solely to earn achievements and trophies in order to brag about being "skilled" are not gamers.foxhound_fox

No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

SpinoRaptor24

As for skill, it does take skill to earn acheivements/trophies. Some of them are tough as nails, saying out right that it takes 0 skill to earn em is false, cause then everyone would have em. As for Trophies reflect more skill than Achievements...who cares...they're both the same thing (usually identical requirement lists), the only thing the PS3 has that beats the 360 is the Platinum to show 100% status, then again the 360 had this out since day one so it beat the PS3 there.

Who cares who's is better, the real topic is: [Size=16]LOOLLOL WTF WIIz AM FAIL NO ACHEIVEMENTSSSSS[/Size]

Lol =P

And they both reflect a major waste of time and electricity.goblaa

I play games for fun. Achievements and trophies are just a way of adding replay value. Anyone who plays games solely to earn achievements and trophies in order to brag about being "skilled" are not gamers.foxhound_fox

No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

SpinoRaptor24

you dont know anything about the trophy system huh...

yea, a 100g in Deadspace may very well mean that you beat the game on the hardest difficulty, but a platinum trophy in Dead Space would mean that you've obtaind every single bronze, silver, and gold trophy available in Dead Space.. this is something that cant be readily identified at a glace when looking at someone's Gamerscore of 1,365.. but that kind of accomplishment (ie "skill") can be readily seen from a person's trophycard since you'll be able to see that platinum trophy which represents that level of playtime, dedication, and/or skill in that particular game..

that's the point of that article/blog.. that when you look at my trophycard and see a platinum trophy, quite a few gold trophies, and a hefty number of silver trophies, you immediately know that i've put some serious time into the games is play.. that i've strived for the more difficult goals and have acheived them.. but by comparison, with a gamerscore of 4,673, you dont get that type of immediate information about my game time without delving deeper..

this is why this guy says the trophies reflect a gamer's "skill" more readily than acheivements.. i would have to agree...

No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

you dont know anything about the trophy system huh...

yea, a 100g in Deadspace may very well mean that you beat the game on the hardest difficulty, but a platinum trophy in Dead Space would mean that you've obtaind every single bronze, silver, and gold trophy available in Dead Space.. this is something that cant be readily identified at a glace when looking at someone's Gamerscore of 1,365.. but that kind of accomplishment (ie "skill") can be readily seen from a person's trophycard since you'll be able to see that platinum trophy which represents that level of playtime, dedication, and/or skill in that particular game..

that's the point of that article/blog.. that when you look at my trophycard and see a platinum trophy, quite a few gold trophies, and a hefty number of silver trophies, you immediately know that i've put some serious time into the games is play.. that i've strived for the more difficult goals and have acheived them.. but by comparison, with a gamerscore of 4,673, you dont get that type of immediate information about my game time without delving deeper..

this is why this guy says the trophies reflect a gamer's "skill" more readily than acheivements.. i would have to agree...

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Ah, you still remember the thread that made you infamous :lol:

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OH MY GOD! IT'S YOU!!! I've heard so much about you!!! Say, do you have a PS3 yet?

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

Antwan3K

you dont know anything about the trophy system huh...

yea, a 100g in Deadspace may very well mean that you beat the game on the hardest difficulty, but a platinum trophy in Dead Space would mean that you've obtaind every single bronze, silver, and gold trophy available in Dead Space.. this is something that cant be readily identified at a glace when looking at someone's Gamerscore of 1,365.. but that kind of accomplishment (ie "skill") can be readily seen from a person's trophycard since you'll be able to see that platinum trophy which represents that level of playtime, dedication, and/or skill in that particular game..

that's the point of that article/blog.. that when you look at my trophycard and see a platinum trophy, quite a few gold trophies, and a hefty number of silver trophies, you immediately know that i've put some serious time into the games is play.. that i've strived for the more difficult goals and have acheived them.. but by comparison, with a gamerscore of 4,673, you dont get that type of immediate information about my game time without delving deeper..

this is why this guy says the trophies reflect a gamer's "skill" more readily than acheivements.. i would have to agree...

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Ah, you still remember the thread that made you infamous :lol:

[QUOTE="Antwan3K"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

killerfist

you dont know anything about the trophy system huh...

yea, a 100g in Deadspace may very well mean that you beat the game on the hardest difficulty, but a platinum trophy in Dead Space would mean that you've obtaind every single bronze, silver, and gold trophy available in Dead Space.. this is something that cant be readily identified at a glace when looking at someone's Gamerscore of 1,365.. but that kind of accomplishment (ie "skill") can be readily seen from a person's trophycard since you'll be able to see that platinum trophy which represents that level of playtime, dedication, and/or skill in that particular game..

that's the point of that article/blog.. that when you look at my trophycard and see a platinum trophy, quite a few gold trophies, and a hefty number of silver trophies, you immediately know that i've put some serious time into the games is play.. that i've strived for the more difficult goals and have acheived them.. but by comparison, with a gamerscore of 4,673, you dont get that type of immediate information about my game time without delving deeper..

this is why this guy says the trophies reflect a gamer's "skill" more readily than acheivements.. i would have to agree...

and like i said, an overall gamerscore of 4,673 doesnt give this same type of immediate information that you get from the trophy system.. you dont need to go to xbox.com, compare gamerscores, or analyze individual game stats in order to see that if i have a platinum trophy then that means i've completed a game to 100%.. it's right there in plain sight from my trophycard.. no extra effort is needed.. it's not the end of the world, but it is indeed a distinct advantage of the trophy system..

Well, you're right at some points, trophies might reflect skill more than achievements. BUT, there are some achievements in games that are hard to get and are worth a max of 50G, well, at least the one I know is in L4D called, 'Cr0wnd' I believe, that's killing a Witch with a headshot WITHOUT alerting her, THAT'S TOUGH! And out of the people I've played L4D with don't have it. Just like that one achievement there are many more that are tough and only skill or luck can get you those. Now, when you see someone's GamerScore is 50,000+ you wanna know what he did that he has so much points. I'm always looking at people's profiles and comparing games and seeing what achievements they have and they end up being skilled players or luky ones.

That's the same thing with trophies, I believe, I mean you can someone has alot of gold, platinum or bronze trophies but how did he get them? Was it by skill or by luck? So, they're basically the same thing. IMO.

Feel free to disagree.:)

and like i said, an overall gamerscore of 4,673 doesnt give this same type of immediate information that you get from the trophy system.. you dont need to go to xbox.com, compare gamerscores, or analyze individual game stats in order to see that if i have a platinum trophy then that means i've completed a game to 100%.. it's right there in plain sight from my trophycard.. no extra effort is needed.. it's not the end of the world, but it is indeed a distinct advantage of the trophy system..

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Antwan3K"]

you dont know anything about the trophy system huh...

yea, a 100g in Deadspace may very well mean that you beat the game on the hardest difficulty, but a platinum trophy in Dead Space would mean that you've obtaind every single bronze, silver, and gold trophy available in Dead Space.. this is something that cant be readily identified at a glace when looking at someone's Gamerscore of 1,365.. but that kind of accomplishment (ie "skill") can be readily seen from a person's trophycard since you'll be able to see that platinum trophy which represents that level of playtime, dedication, and/or skill in that particular game..

that's the point of that article/blog.. that when you look at my trophycard and see a platinum trophy, quite a few gold trophies, and a hefty number of silver trophies, you immediately know that i've put some serious time into the games is play.. that i've strived for the more difficult goals and have acheived them.. but by comparison, with a gamerscore of 4,673, you dont get that type of immediate information about my game time without delving deeper..

this is why this guy says the trophies reflect a gamer's "skill" more readily than acheivements.. i would have to agree...

Antwan3K

and like i said, an overall gamerscore of 4,673 doesnt give this same type of immediate information that you get from the trophy system.. you dont need to go to xbox.com, compare gamerscores, or analyze individual game stats in order to see that if i have a platinum trophy then that means i've completed a game to 100%.. it's right there in plain sight from my trophycard.. no extra effort is needed.. it's not the end of the world, but it is indeed a distinct advantage of the trophy system..

Getting a Plat trophy in a sports game doesn't show you have skill at all, in fact with the trophy system it's more likely to fool whoevers looking into thinking you have skill when in fact, you've just maxed out some easy sports game. Where as someone with 1000GS could have that 1000GS in a game like Dead Rising, which was not an easy 1000 by any measure.

Neither shows skill, neither are majorly important. Oh but while we're on the subject why are trophys so god awful and ugly, the big horrible grey box that pops up, the fact i have to hit the guide button and go into the menus to even see what it was, poor to navigate even then I don't know if i need to go up the list or down and the trophy pictures..so far..are horrible and ugly. o.0

I much prefer the achievment system, you can really tell the trophys where really just tacked on quickly.

If Sony did anything right, it's that the trophies are tiered.

However... much of the advantage is lost because

• They're not in all games
• They're not shared outside of the console. Heck, you can't even check them on the Playstation site

To get platinum trophies you need to get all bronze, silver and gold trophies. To get a high gamer score all you need to do is play alot of games. That's what this article is all about.jakarai

I understand that. But put trophies in a social context and the argument loses alot of its relevance. Unfortunately, neither trophies nor achievements exits in vacuums. By its very definition, a trophy is meant to be displayed and even shown off. Trophies have a very very limited mechanism to do that.

Both seem the exact same to me.sargentbotk

With Trophies now standard for games in 2009, what's stopping anyone here from hoarding and getting trophies? You realize that because some people pick easy achievements, what's stopping other games on PS3 from easy golds and silvers to boost their rank? Seriously people.... Also, you can look at the list of achievements they have, compare them with yours on the fly, and see what kind of person they are. On trophies you could see a bunch or bronze, but like I said, with it being standard, nothing's stopping from there being easy silvers and the like, and you really won't know WHAT trophies they got, at least not at this point. Only like the last 5 or so. yoshi_64

there really isn't a difference between them

look here:

bioshock ps3- http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/bioshock/trophies/

bioshock 360- http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/bioshock/achievements/

call of duty: world at war- http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/call-of-duty-world-at-war/trophies/

call of duty: world at war- http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/call-of-duty-world-at-war/achievements/

from looking at these there are really no differnce beside different trophies. i don't care about achievements i got them i get them.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]With Trophies now standard for games in 2009, what's stopping anyone here from hoarding and getting trophies? You realize that because some people pick easy achievements, what's stopping other games on PS3 from easy golds and silvers to boost their rank? Seriously people.... Also, you can look at the list of achievements they have, compare them with yours on the fly, and see what kind of person they are. On trophies you could see a bunch or bronze, but like I said, with it being standard, nothing's stopping from there being easy silvers and the like, and you really won't know WHAT trophies they got, at least not at this point. Only like the last 5 or so. jakarai

To get platinum trophies you need to get all bronze, silver and gold trophies. To get a high gamer score all you need to do is play alot of games. That's what this article is all about. Yeah some of you are damage controlling. It's funny how when listing reasons why Xbox Live is better then PSN some of you will put because Achievements are standard in all games but now all of a sudden Achievements are a waste of time and true gamers wouldn't try to get them all. LOL

there really isn't a difference between them

look here:

bioshock ps3- http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/bioshock/trophies/

bioshock 360- http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/bioshock/achievements/

call of duty: world at war- http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/call-of-duty-world-at-war/trophies/

call of duty: world at war- http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/call-of-duty-world-at-war/achievements/

from looking at these there are really no differnce beside different trophies. i don't care about achievements i got them i get them.

iam2green

shamwow FTW

No they don't. Trophies are basically the exact same thing as achievements.

-Bronze Trophy: Beat Dead Space.

-Achievement 25g: Beat Dead Space.

-Platinum Trophy: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

-Achievement 100g: Beat Dead Space on the hardest difficulty.

To say that trophies take more skill is a joke.

SpinoRaptor24

everbody touch your eyes, if you feel something their called fanboy goggles, take them off a listen for a sec (unless you wear glasses then their ontop)

achievements and trophies are the same thing. How can you argue

You know you can look at individual achievements if you compare games with the person as well as their gamerscore. I own a 360 so I dont own a Phd in Trophies but on the 360 a arcade game has 200 gamerscore, retail games have atleast 1000 and an additional 250 can be added in the form of DLC

Bronze trophies are the same as achievements worth 5-15 points (again you can see each individual achievement)

silver trophies are the same as achievements worth about 15-75 points

gold trophies are the same as achivements worth about 75-100

Platinum tropies are the same as having 200/1000/1250 gamerscore on a game (all achievements)

There the same thing

everbody touch your eyes, if you feel something their called fanboy goggles, take them off a listen for a sec (unless you wear glasses then their ontop)

achievements and trophies are the same thing. How can you argue

You know you can look at individual achievements if you compare games with the person as well as their gamerscore. I own a 360 so I dont own a Phd in Trophies but on the 360 a arcade game has 200 gamerscore, retail games have atleast 1000 and an additional 250 can be added in the form of DLC

Bronze trophies are the same as achievements worth 5-15 points (again you can see each individual achievement)

silver trophies are the same as achievements worth about 15-75 points

gold trophies are the same as achivements worth about 75-100

Platinum tropies are the same as having 200/1000/1250 gamerscore on a game (all achievements)

There the same thing

alexmurray

And I'm going to bring it up again... you can't share or display trophies outside of the console. Can't even view them on the playstation site. With achievements, you can see and compare with friends on Xbox.com, 360voice.com, on forums and blogs... even on the iphone.

And I'm going to bring it up again... you can't share or display trophies outside of the console. Can't even view them on the playstation site. With achievements, you can see and compare with friends on Xbox.com, 360voice.com, on forums and blogs... even on the iphone.

VoodooHak

And I'm going to bring it up again... you can't share or display trophies outside of the console. Can't even view them on the playstation site. With achievements, you can see and compare with friends on Xbox.com, 360voice.com, on forums and blogs... even on the iphone.

VoodooHak

good point Im looking at your achievements right now

And I'm going to bring it up again... you can't share or display trophies outside of the console. Can't even view them on the playstation site. With achievements, you can see and compare with friends on Xbox.com, 360voice.com, on forums and blogs... even on the iphone.

good point Im looking at your achievements right now

Explain to me difference between looking at an acheivemnet list

Personally i preffer the idea of looking as someone's card and seeing that they regularly only get 300/1000 acheivement points.

But either way what do i care .. my gamerscore is 6000 and some of my friends have 20,000 ... if i could be bothered i'd use the compare games tab and see how well they scored on the games i played.

But i only care about my own score not other peoples

And I'm going to bring it up again... you can't share or display trophies outside of the console. Can't even view them on the playstation site. With achievements, you can see and compare with friends on Xbox.com, 360voice.com, on forums and blogs... even on the iphone.

VoodooHak

in response to your comment of "you cant share or display trophies outside the console", i can access, share, and compare my trophy collection while at work or from any other WiFi hotspot via my PSP.. i can access my XMB via remote play, access the PS store, manage my account, access my music, photos, videos, and more.. i'm even displaying my trophycard on this very forum (even though it's via playfire.com).. so please stop making false statements..

and beyond that, why are you so off-topic?.. that's why noone has responded to your previous posts yet you feel the need to "bring it up again".. if you want to start a new thread about the benefits of being able to check and compare your achievements via xbox.com, then go ahead.. if you're that bored at work and actually want to do such a thing, then more power to ya..

the rest of us will try and stay on-topic..