TRUE NEXT GEN (NO NOT NEXT NEXT GEN) what this gen should really be

kindaIMO,but not really....

games like:

CRYSIS

KILLZONE 2

MGS4

BIOSHOCK

thos games are next gen, well i think bioshock is right on the line... i dunno how u can compaire bioshock to crysis... lol but w/e,

other games that might be next gen:

UT3

LAIR

MASS EFFECT

HAZE

HALO 3 (i doubt this 1 dosnt look very next gen at all, or play next gen...beta wasnt that amazing)

GRAN TURISMO 5

UNCHARDED: DRAKES FORTUNE

CALL OF DUTY 4 (almost forgot it but i edited it in)

ne other games you think should be added just say and im talking games from 2007-1st half about of 2008...id list games like FF but lets wait on that

EDIT: OK NO MORE OF THIS "no u'll have to wait till PS4 xbox 3 and nintendo w/e" i changed the name so no more smart A**** will ruin this thread, if u dont have somehting nice to say dont say it

So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.Duckman5

no...just no...huge diffrence between a game like crysis and GEOW...so dont start

their is no such thing as new gen games. Crysis, Bioshock, Killzone, and MGS4 don't bring nothing to the table except graphics and the way to interact with does graphics.

Consoles are New Gen not games.

wii sucks, last gen.

Good graphics but crap gameplay does not equal next gen.

True next gen refers to the evolution of video games (I'll leave that up to interpretation).

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.JAMES_L_BROOKS

no...just no...huge diffrence between a game like crysis and GEOW...so dont start

Doesn't matter how they look, play, or are made. They are ALL in the CURRENT Gen. So they are all classed as Current Gen or "Next Gen."

Good graphics but crap gameplay does not equal next gen.

True next gen refers to the evolution of video games (I'll leave that up to interpretation).

Boomarley

from waht i hear the games i listed have amazing gameplay...excluding some of them ex MGS4..but that looks good neways XD

their is no such thing as new gen games. Crysis, Bioshock, Killzone, and MGS4 don't bring nothing to the table except graphics and the way to interact with does graphics.

Consoles are New Gen not games.

wii sucks, last gen.

beldugo

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Willy105

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Willy105

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.Duckman5

no...just no...huge diffrence between a game like crysis and GEOW...so dont start

Doesn't matter how they look, play, or are made. They are ALL in the CURRENT Gen. So they are all classed as Current Gen or "Next Gen."

well they look equal to last gen some are graphically enhanced but graphics isnt everything ex. physics, lighting, something KZ2 and Crysis are owning in, i mean games that should really have the title of next gen an actual leap form xbox/ps2/(early) 360 to (now)360/PS3...and computers too, form old DX9 to DX10

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Boomarley

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

agreed physics, lighting, amount of AI and the brain of the AI, depth and size, etc. all those are there too

[QUOTE="beldugo"]

their is no such thing as new gen games. Crysis, Bioshock, Killzone, and MGS4 don't bring nothing to the table except graphics and the way to interact with does graphics.

Consoles are New Gen not games.

wii sucks, last gen.

beldugo

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Willy105

lol soo true

kindaIMO,but not really....

games like:

CRYSIS

KILLZONE 2

MGS4

BIOSHOCK

thos games are next gen, well i think bioshock is right on the line... i dunno how u can compaire bioshock to crysis... lol but w/e,

other games that might be next gen:

UT3

LAIR

MASS EFFECT

HAZE

HALO 3 (i doubt this 1 dosnt look very next gen at all, or play next gen...beta wasnt that amazing)

GRAN TURISMO 5

UNCHARDED: DRAKES FORTUNE

ne other games you think should be added just say and im talking games from 2007-1st half about of 2008...id list games like FF but lets wait on that

JAMES_L_BROOKS

killzone :lol:
lair :lol:

[QUOTE="Boomarley"]

Good graphics but crap gameplay does not equal next gen.

True next gen refers to the evolution of video games (I'll leave that up to interpretation).

JAMES_L_BROOKS

from waht i hear the games i listed have amazing gameplay...excluding some of them ex MGS4..but that looks good neways XD

Seeing as I haven't bothered to read the previews for those games, it's not fair for me to judge, but I heard pretty negative things about Lair, and Killzone1 got 6.9 while its PSP sequel failed to gain editor's choice. But I never played demos of those games, so who am I to judge?

[QUOTE="beldugo"]

their is no such thing as new gen games. Crysis, Bioshock, Killzone, and MGS4 don't bring nothing to the table except graphics and the way to interact with does graphics.

Consoles are New Gen not games.

wii sucks, last gen.

beldugo

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Willy105

No.

TRUE NEXT GEN is XBOX 360, PLAYSTATION 3, and High-end PC. GAME OVERpyoob

and wii too

So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.Duckman5

Quite on the contrary, sir. "Next gen" isn't simply stating the next generation in line after the last. It starting being used to describe a generation of platforms that will deliver gaming like its never been done before. Leaps and bounds better than before. And as the TC is pointing out, 90% of the games released aren't next-gen quality. I've seen so many jaggies on the "next gen" games that it makes me sick.

And, thus, you get upset when someone excludes Wii from the next-gen category due to its lack of graphic potential and power.

Most of the games you list I would cound as the next sub generation. Remember that within any large generation there are steps of progression as developers learn to unlock the power of the hardware available to them.

Perhaps things like Crysis are at the top due to their utilization of DX10, but I almost spit out my drink laughing when I saw Killzone 2.

Despite my love of Nintendo, the assertion that MP3 and Zelda: Phantom are the only next gen games is nothing but absurd.

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Willy105

Honestly, how can you leave the wii out of the discussion? The wii is offering gameplay experiences that you simply could not get last gen. To me it seems that you're basing everything about the wii around some blurbs about the controls and of course the screenshots, which are probably the main reason you think the wii is last gen. You put your "true next gen" game in and it looks really pretty and that is enough for you to think its next gen. Well thats' not true! Previous gens were huge leaps in gameplay, a leap which is sorely missing in the ps3 and 360. I hear things like "better AI, bigger worlds, better physics" but none of that has translated into a significant leap from last gen gameplay. Some of it is blantantly false, ie bigger worlds.

Not convinced? Well how about this argument.--- every gen previous has been a significant enough leap that not only did mechanics and aesthetics improve, but whole new GENRES of games appeared. The nes/ms allowed a truly refined platformer genre. The snes/genesis refined that, but allowed for fighters and rpgs to be fully realized. By that I mean that there were fighters and rpgs in the previous gen, but they were really insignificant. They were 'invented' in the snes/genesis gen. The ps1/n64 brought 3d gaming, which I believe is enough in itself- ie 3d platformers aredifferent genre than 2d platformers. The gc/ps2/xbox allowed for truly developed 3d worlds to be constructed, allowing open gameplay like GTA3. The N64 dabbled in alive worlds in games like pilotwings64, but it wasn'treally anything until games like GTA3. So what about the ps3/360? What are the new genres?Littlebigplanet I guess...

When the wii fails, it looks really bad because it is last gen in every way. However, when it suceeds, it really shines. Wiisports is really new. Trauma center is really new (although it could be duplicated with kb/m). The changes to old genres are good refinements, on par with the graphical enhancements of the other consoles (im thinking RE4 here). So i guess the real question is can you get over the graphics?

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.dubvisions

Quite on the contrary, sir. "Next gen" isn't simply stating the next generation in line after the last. It starting being used to describe a generation of platforms that will deliver gaming like its never been done before. Leaps and bounds better than before. And as the TC is pointing out, 90% of the games released aren't next-gen quality. I've seen so many jaggies on the "next gen" games that it makes me sick.

And, thus, you get upset when someone excludes Wii from the next-gen category due to its lack of graphic potential and power.

To me, next gen is not just about those things, but better ideas. More choices, different scenarios, deeper ai. Imagine a game that would be very different for every player depending on how one plays the game. Wouldn't it be great if in a game you could be in a fully 3-D world where a town or village slowly developed from the ground up every day in real time, or a game where no game guide could ever cover all potential situations, a game that evolves on it's own, those things would be truly next-gen imo.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Dualshockin

just ps3

Sequels.

TRUE NEXT GEN is XBOX 360, PLAYSTATION 3, and High-end PC. GAME OVERpyoob

Honestly, how can you leave the wii out of the discussion? The wii is offering gameplay experiences that you simply could not get last gen. To me it seems that you're basing everything about the wii around some blurbs about the controls and of course the screenshots, which are probably the main reason you think the wii is last gen. You put your "true next gen" game in and it looks really pretty and that is enough for you to think its next gen. Well thats' not true! Previous gens were huge leaps in gameplay, a leap which is sorely missing in the ps3 and 360. I hear things like "better AI, bigger worlds, better physics" but none of that has translated into a significant leap from last gen gameplay. Some of it is blantantly false, ie bigger worlds.

Not convinced? Well how about this argument.--- every gen previous has been a significant enough leap that not only did mechanics and aesthetics improve, but whole new GENRES of games appeared. The nes/ms allowed a truly refined platformer genre. The snes/genesis refined that, but allowed for fighters and rpgs to be fully realized. By that I mean that there were fighters and rpgs in the previous gen, but they were really insignificant. They were 'invented' in the snes/genesis gen. The ps1/n64 brought 3d gaming, which I believe is enough in itself- ie 3d platformers aredifferent genre than 2d platformers. The gc/ps2/xbox allowed for truly developed 3d worlds to be constructed, allowing open gameplay like GTA3. The N64 dabbled in alive worlds in games like pilotwings64, but it wasn'treally anything until games like GTA3. So what about the ps3/360? What are the new genres?Littlebigplanet I guess...

When the wii fails, it looks really bad because it is last gen in every way. However, when it suceeds, it really shines. Wiisports is really new. Trauma center is really new (although it could be duplicated with kb/m). The changes to old genres are good refinements, on par with the graphical enhancements of the other consoles (im thinking RE4 here). So i guess the real question is can you get over the graphics?

GunSmith1_basic

Welcome to System Wars, where people only care about processing power. Otherwise, the DS argument for Wii would own everyone.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

gamergeekgeek

just ps3

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Dualshockin

just ps3

Except that Wii has Editor's Choice games as well, and people still use the "Wii has no games" debate because "the games are not my type, so they don't count!" Therefore, I deem the "PS3 has no games" statement legit based on System Wars logic.

Despite my love of Nintendo, the assertion that MP3 and Zelda: Phantom are the only next gen games is nothing but absurd.

Rendarian

[QUOTE="pyoob"]TRUE NEXT GEN is XBOX 360, PLAYSTATION 3, and High-end PC. GAME OVERChiChiMonKilla

Except that Wii has Editor's Choice games as well, and people still use the "Wii has no games" debate because "the games are not my type, so they don't count!" Therefore, I deem the "PS3 has no games" statement legit based on System Wars logic.Boomarley

[QUOTE="Boomarley"]Except that Wii has Editor's Choice games as well, and people still use the "Wii has no games" debate because "the games are not my type, so they don't count!" Therefore, I deem the "PS3 has no games" statement legit based on System Wars logic.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Boomarley"]Except that Wii has Editor's Choice games as well, and people still use the "Wii has no games" debate because "the games are not my type, so they don't count!" Therefore, I deem the "PS3 has no games" statement legit based on System Wars logic.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Dualshockin

just ps3

and which one of those AAA is exclusive? i know, none

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Boomarley"]Except that Wii has Editor's Choice games as well, and people still use the "Wii has no games" debate because "the games are not my type, so they don't count!" Therefore, I deem the "PS3 has no games" statement legit based on System Wars logic.Silenthps

and which one of those AAA is exclusive? i know, nonegamergeekgeek

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Boomarley"]Except that Wii has Editor's Choice games as well, and people still use the "Wii has no games" debate because "the games are not my type, so they don't count!" Therefore, I deem the "PS3 has no games" statement legit based on System Wars logic.Dualshockin

Ok, umm...PS4, Xbox 3, Nintendo 28(?). And all the games next-gen.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Boomarley

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

No, graphics has a lot to do with it. Compair games from the 80s to today. The more advanced technology gets, the better the graphics. Compair first generation Xbox and PS2 games to what was released towards the ends of the Xbox's life span and what is still being released on the PS2 now.

It got praised for its graphics in the review. Why does every game have to push a system to its limits. Imagine a pikachu on a PS3 compared to a wii. Would you really wanna see every hair folicle of the pikachu in HD? Some games are made to be cartoony. And no by this logic it doesnt mean no wii game can be done on another console. Hence the reason wii gets so many ps2 ports. A Built from the ground up wii game can't be done on any other console which is exactly why its next gen. In every generation there are games that simply could not be done on the console before it not just because of the graphics, but because of the gameplay. The same is true for the wii. There are games on the wii that gameplay wise, could not be done on any other console. Just because it didn't take the typical route of using power to change the gameplay, does not exclude it from being next gen.Silenthps

There is no answer, because it will be always current gen.