TRUE NEXT GEN (NO NOT NEXT NEXT GEN) what this gen should really be

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#51 legend26
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why the hell do we say next gen if all 3 consoles have arrived?! shoudnt they be present gen?
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#52 -LegendaryLuck-
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TRUE NEXT GEN is the PS4, Wii 2 and X-Box 3. We are now in CURRENT GEN.

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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

gamergeekgeek

You're claiming the Ps3 and 360 have games with no amazing gameplay? Interesting.

just ps3

That would've worked before Ps3 got AAA games,right now the statement has no power in a debate.

and which one of those AAA is exclusive? i know, none

Oh no! Oblivion and Ninja Gaiden Sigma aren't exclusive AAA games? Now they're not fun anymore! :cry:

*Goes to burn them, because only AAA exclusive games are fun, apparently*

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#54 beldugo
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]It got praised for its graphics in the review. Why does every game have to push a system to its limits. Imagine a pikachu on a PS3 compared to a wii. Would you really wanna see every hair folicle of the pikachu in HD? Some games are made to be cartoony. And no by this logic it doesnt mean no wii game can be done on another console. Hence the reason wii gets so many ps2 ports. A Built from the ground up wii game can't be done on any other console which is exactly why its next gen. In every generation there are games that simply could not be done on the console before it not just because of the graphics, but because of the gameplay. The same is true for the wii. There are games on the wii that gameplay wise, could not be done on any other console. Just because it didn't take the typical route of using power to change the gameplay, does not exclude it from being next gen.Dualshockin
Now let me ask you: Do you honestly believe that this  is impressive?The harsh reality is,every single game that is considered "impressive",has good graphics for its respective time. If Pikachu was in HD,the element of realism+believability that he is indeed a furry monster would go up dramatically.It is like looking at Ratchet and Clank,when you saw Ratchet on Ps2:  the fact that made you believe he is an animal is the presence of a tail and giant ears.But now look at Ratchet on Ps3:  it is now much more than the shape of his ears and tail,it is the detail in his ears and tail,that convince us that he is truly a furry creature(Most would say he looks like a Bobcat).Thus if you think that more power in a console to produce better graphics has no direct effect in the level of immersion and believability,you are mistaken. Ask yourself:What is it about the gameplay of Wii games that makes it impossible on another console?Is it the A.I+physics?The cold hard truth is:The only thing that makes Wii games unplayable on other consoles is the effects of the Wiimote on the game,things such as pulling up the controller to remove an enemies shield,etc.If you don't believe this fact,you have to ask yourself another question:If the GameCube/Xbox 1 had a controller with Wii like functions,could Wii games really not run on the hardware? Nintendo called the Wii "New gen" rather than "next-gen",because this label distinguishes it from the powerhouses that are Ps3 and Xbox 360.They know that the Wii is technically not a "next-gen" console because when you inevitably decide to put facts together,the reality of the situation is Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 offer much more because of the new hardware,whilst the Wii doesn't.

although does game you posted suck... very nice, well writen post.

agree.

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#57 Lazy_Boy88
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Boomarley

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

It's not about graphics. It's about console power. Everything a game is and everything you see relies on the hardware. New hardware, new aspects to games. The Wii went for new controller, same hardware.

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#58 Gangans
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Last gen:

This gen:

Next Gen: ????????????????????????

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#59 Vaizard34
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[QUOTE="Boomarley"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Lazy_Boy88

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

It's not about graphics. It's about console power. Everything a game is and everything you see relies on the hardware. New hardware, new aspects to games. The Wii went for new controller, same hardware.

The Wii's inferior hardware limits gameplay as well as graphics. The controller doesn't make it next gen. It's different but not better than anything else.

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[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]and which one of those AAA is exclusive? i know, noneDualshockin
So because a game isn't exclusive it's review score means nothing? The holes in your logic are astronomical.

funny how cows are against lemmings putting Bioshock in the 360 2007 lineup :lol:

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#61 gamergeekgeek
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[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="Boomarley"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Vaizard34

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

It's not about graphics. It's about console power. Everything a game is and everything you see relies on the hardware. New hardware, new aspects to games. The Wii went for new controller, same hardware.

The Wii's inferior hardware limits gameplay as well as graphics. The controller doesn't make it next gen. It's different but not better than anything else.

Wii is next-gen. face it :|

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]It got praised for its graphics in the review. Why does every game have to push a system to its limits. Imagine a pikachu on a PS3 compared to a wii. Would you really wanna see every hair folicle of the pikachu in HD? Some games are made to be cartoony. And no by this logic it doesnt mean no wii game can be done on another console. Hence the reason wii gets so many ps2 ports. A Built from the ground up wii game can't be done on any other console which is exactly why its next gen. In every generation there are games that simply could not be done on the console before it not just because of the graphics, but because of the gameplay. The same is true for the wii. There are games on the wii that gameplay wise, could not be done on any other console. Just because it didn't take the typical route of using power to change the gameplay, does not exclude it from being next gen.Dualshockin
Now let me ask you: Do you honestly believe that this is impressive?The harsh reality is,every single game that is considered "impressive",has good graphics for its respective time. If Pikachu was in HD,the element of realism+believability that he is indeed a furry monster would go up dramatically.It is like looking at Ratchet and Clank,when you saw Ratchet on Ps2: the fact that made you believe he is an animal is the presence of a tail and giant ears.But now look at Ratchet on Ps3: it is now much more than the shape of his ears and tail,it is the detail in his ears and tail,that convince us that he is truly a furry creature(Most would say he looks like a Bobcat).Thus if you think that more power in a console to produce better graphics has no direct effect in the level of immersion and believability,you are mistaken. Ask yourself:What is it about the gameplay of Wii games that makes it impossible on another console?Is it the A.I+physics?The cold hard truth is:The only thing that makes Wii games unplayable on other consoles is the effects of the Wiimote on the game,things such as pulling up the controller to remove an enemies shield,etc.If you don't believe this fact,you have to ask yourself another question:If the GameCube/Xbox 1 had a controller with Wii like functions,could Wii games really not run on the hardware? Nintendo called the Wii "New gen" rather than "next-gen",because this label distinguishes it from the powerhouses that are Ps3 and Xbox 360.They know that the Wii is technically not a "next-gen" console because when you inevitably decide to put facts together,the reality of the situation is Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 offer much more because of the new hardware,whilst the Wii doesn't.

Sry but that Ratchet and clank example was pretty weak. and it just helped me out in the long run. So your telling me the only diffrence between a ps2 game and a ps3 version of the game is... its fur? It didn't add any immersion, you'd have to be blind to think that he doesnt look like a cat. If they wanted to make it look like a bob cat, then why not just do this

 That would add on to the realism and immersion. Obviously ratchet is the kind of character that... isn't realistic so adding realism to him would only worsen the design. Luckily for the PS3 version, they gave him more color and made him more... shiny which took away the realism which is pretty much the only reason it looks better than the ps2 version. The point i was trying to make is that warioware is a cartoon type of game and adding power to it would not have done anything to it. Otherwise they would have actually attempted to tap into the wii's power which can obviously pull off much better visuals.

And why does A.I. + Physics have to be the only way to improve a game? Having good control is one of the most important parts of gameplay. Infact, "how the game plays" can be pretty much subsituted for "how the game controls" Yes, the only thing that makes the wii diffrent from the gc/xbox is its controller(Despite the fact that its more powerful than both.) But you cant go and say "what if the gc/xbox had its controller." IT DIDN'T and thats that. If it did then they would actually go for the graphics this gen and everything would be totally diffrent. What if the gc/xbox had the power of the 360/PS3? There would also be no huge leap in gameplay either.

The wii is "next gen" simply because... it came out in this gen. I dont even think i can explain to you why its next gen if you dont really know what the word generation really means. If you did, you'd pretty much already know why it is.

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#63 Gangans
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[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="Boomarley"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Vaizard34

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

It's not about graphics. It's about console power. Everything a game is and everything you see relies on the hardware. New hardware, new aspects to games. The Wii went for new controller, same hardware.

The Wii's inferior hardware limits gameplay as well as graphics. The controller doesn't make it next gen. It's different but not better than anything else.

I must then be having too much fun with my wii games, I'd better take heed of what you say and stop playing lest I have too much superior fun.

:lol: keep those tears coming fanbaby, your precious $500 consoles are getting left behind to eat the dust.

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#64 alexin_05
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True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Willy105

exactly

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#65 Vaizard34
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[QUOTE="Vaizard34"][QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="Boomarley"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Gangans

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

It's not about graphics. It's about console power. Everything a game is and everything you see relies on the hardware. New hardware, new aspects to games. The Wii went for new controller, same hardware.

The Wii's inferior hardware limits gameplay as well as graphics. The controller doesn't make it next gen. It's different but not better than anything else.

I must then be having too much fun with my wii games, I'd better take heed of what you say and stop playing lest I have too much superior fun.

:lol: keep those tears coming fanbaby, your precious $500 consoles are getting left behind to eat the dust.

I bet I'm having more fun with my PS360. Also I bet I have more fun playing my Sega Genesis than your weak Wii. I had a Wii but sold it back because it was so lame.

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#66 gamergeekgeek
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[QUOTE="Vaizard34"][QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="Boomarley"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

Gangans

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

It's not about graphics. It's about console power. Everything a game is and everything you see relies on the hardware. New hardware, new aspects to games. The Wii went for new controller, same hardware.

The Wii's inferior hardware limits gameplay as well as graphics. The controller doesn't make it next gen. It's different but not better than anything else.

I must then be having too much fun with my wii games, I'd better take heed of what you say and stop playing lest I have too much superior fun.

:lol: keep those tears coming fanbaby, your precious $500 consoles are getting left behind to eat the dust.

cows are just mad that they paid $600 for trash :lol:

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#67 kman3002
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Only PC games like Crysis are "TRUE NEXT GEN"8)
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#68 tomarlyn
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If it could be done last-gen on the technical level then its not ''next-gen''. Better technology breeds better gameplay too, not a controller.
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#69 goodlay
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If it could be done last-gen on the technical level then its not ''next-gen''. Better technology breeds better gameplay too, not a controller.tomarlyn

If Super Mario Galaxy could be done last gen, please enlighten me.

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kindaIMO,but not really....

games like:

CRYSIS

KILLZONE 2

MGS4

BIOSHOCK

thos games are next gen, well i think bioshock is right on the line... i dunno how u can compaire bioshock to crysis... lol but w/e,

other games that might be next gen:

UT3

LAIR

MASS EFFECT

HAZE

HALO 3 (i doubt this 1 dosnt look very next gen at all, or play next gen...beta wasnt that amazing)

GRAN TURISMO 5

UNCHARDED: DRAKES FORTUNE

ne other games you think should be added just say and im talking games from 2007-1st half about of 2008...id list games like FF but lets wait on that

JAMES_L_BROOKS

That's current gen, bubby. You need to wait a few years to see next gen.

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#71 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]If it could be done last-gen on the technical level then its not ''next-gen''. Better technology breeds better gameplay too, not a controller.goodlay

If Super Mario Galaxy could be done last gen, please enlighten me.

How couldn't the XBOX handle it technically? enlighten me. It would suffer a lower framerate at most. Conker and Fable are just as impressive on the technical level IMO. There's no generational gap here.
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anti wii people have got to be snipiest, most harsh, generally malicious people on this forum. Maybe a bit insecure? It just doesn't stop, and it's not like wii supporters are ever as angry

Wii Supporter: Wii is a better system because of ___, ___, and ___

Anti Wii: Wii is the lamest for kidz! Look at this bad angle screenshot of spiderman 3 on the wii! Haha, is it 2003??

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#73 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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wow this thread came back???!?!?!?!?!!!??!?! lol
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#74 tomarlyn
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anti wii people have got to be snipiest, most harsh, generally malicious people on this forum. Maybe a bit insecure? It just doesn't stop, and it's not like wii supporters are ever as angryGunSmith1_basic
I'm just upset I was stupid enough to get carried away in the hype and pre-order one of these ''revolutions'', lol.
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[QUOTE="goodlay"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]If it could be done last-gen on the technical level then its not ''next-gen''. Better technology breeds better gameplay too, not a controller.tomarlyn

If Super Mario Galaxy could be done last gen, please enlighten me.

How couldn't the XBOX handle it technically? enlighten me. It would suffer a lower framerate at most. Conker and Fable are just as impressive on the technical level IMO. There's no generational gap here.

Wait for more movies of the game in motion. SMG will look just as good or better than Conker, I played and beat the Conker SP on my Xbox, the game looked good for its time but it was mainly the lighting that made it look so good. Also, if the xbox could handle it fine why would it have frame rate problems? :?

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#76 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="Gangans"][QUOTE="Vaizard34"][QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="Boomarley"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

True Next gen is a JUMP with Gameplay AND Graphics.

Prime example: Nintendo 64

So far, the PS3 and 360 has just done graphics and not gameplay and the Wii has just done gameplay and not graphics.

Looks like we will have to combine some consoles to be nextgen!

gamergeekgeek

I don't see how improved graphics have anything to do with the evolution of gaming. Better graphics don't make games any more compelling to me anyway. Probably I'll have to be a graphics whore to understand.

It's not about graphics. It's about console power. Everything a game is and everything you see relies on the hardware. New hardware, new aspects to games. The Wii went for new controller, same hardware.

The Wii's inferior hardware limits gameplay as well as graphics. The controller doesn't make it next gen. It's different but not better than anything else.

I must then be having too much fun with my wii games, I'd better take heed of what you say and stop playing lest I have too much superior fun.

:lol: keep those tears coming fanbaby, your precious $500 consoles are getting left behind to eat the dust.

cows are just mad that they paid $600 for trash :lol:

why are you always bashing everythign... look at the good in these things...

YOU ONLY FEAR WHAT MIGHT HURT YOU

and u fear that the PS3 might be good and u wasted your money, so u have to make a comment that COWS are mad for paying $600 for a PS3...well guess waht we are not, if we were mad we'd sell it and buy a 360 or a wii...or a high end PC so stop with ur random comment, and i like how u have me quoted... that thread was a joke btw, but i still think KZ2 will do well, but NO GAME will get 10 in a long time, not even CRYSIS

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#77 Heil68
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This is current generation.
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#78 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

kindaIMO,but not really....

games like:

CRYSIS

KILLZONE 2

MGS4

BIOSHOCK

thos games are next gen, well i think bioshock is right on the line... i dunno how u can compaire bioshock to crysis... lol but w/e,

other games that might be next gen:

UT3

LAIR

MASS EFFECT

HAZE

HALO 3 (i doubt this 1 dosnt look very next gen at all, or play next gen...beta wasnt that amazing)

GRAN TURISMO 5

UNCHARDED: DRAKES FORTUNE

ne other games you think should be added just say and im talking games from 2007-1st half about of 2008...id list games like FF but lets wait on that

MrDziekuje

That's current gen, bubby. You need to wait a few years to see next gen.

i like the way u think... but most ppl knwo what im talking about so if ur guna make a witty remark just dont waste space in this forum

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#79 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="goodlay"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]If it could be done last-gen on the technical level then its not ''next-gen''. Better technology breeds better gameplay too, not a controller.goodlay

If Super Mario Galaxy could be done last gen, please enlighten me.

How couldn't the XBOX handle it technically? enlighten me. It would suffer a lower framerate at most. Conker and Fable are just as impressive on the technical level IMO. There's no generational gap here.

Wait for more movies of the game in motion. SMG will look just as good or better than Conker, I played and beat the Conker SP on my Xbox, the game looked good for its time but it was mainly the lighting that made it look so good. Also, if the xbox could handle it fine why would it have frame rate problems? :?

A drop to 30 FPS wouldn't be an issue, tons of similar games run at that. It doesn't mean that technically Galaxy couldn't be possible on its hardware. Now look at Assasins Creed, Bioshock, Oblivion, Fable 2 or Mass Effect and these couldn't be achieved before (or on Wii) no-matter what tricks you pull off. You'd have to destroy what makes them stand out as ''next gen''. Of course Galaxy looks better than the average XBOX game but its not a ''next-gen'' leap.
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]anti wii people have got to be snipiest, most harsh, generally malicious people on this forum. Maybe a bit insecure? It just doesn't stop, and it's not like wii supporters are ever as angrytomarlyn
I'm just upset I was stupid enough to get carried away in the hype and pre-order one of these ''revolutions'', lol.

Is it possible that you just suffered the fate of the early adopter? Like all those people who returned their ps3s because it sucks so bad. It's early, so the software isn't there atm. Same thing happened to ps2
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#81 foxhound_fox
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True next-gen? The absolute ****ing genius that is Bioshock.
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#82 PhoebusFlows
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So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.Duckman5

Hardware wise, Wii is not part of the same generation.
If you challenge this, I can give you countless quotes from major developers who only call PS3 and Xbox 360 and PC "next-gen"

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#83 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]anti wii people have got to be snipiest, most harsh, generally malicious people on this forum. Maybe a bit insecure? It just doesn't stop, and it's not like wii supporters are ever as angryGunSmith1_basic
I'm just upset I was stupid enough to get carried away in the hype and pre-order one of these ''revolutions'', lol.

Is it possible that you just suffered the fate of the early adopter? Like all those people who returned their ps3s because it sucks so bad. It's early, so the software isn't there atm. Same thing happened to ps2

PS2 had a slow start but were there better alternatives at the time? I'd much rather have a 360 or PS3 with their available/upcomming games (mostly 360). Heck I'll be spending more money on my DS, PS2 and I still play all the last-gen systems. Wii doesn't offer anything more than its controller (which no longer impresses me like groundbreaking gameplay & graphics). So its in a hole forever IMO
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#84 GunSmith1_basic
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]anti wii people have got to be snipiest, most harsh, generally malicious people on this forum. Maybe a bit insecure? It just doesn't stop, and it's not like wii supporters are ever as angrytomarlyn
I'm just upset I was stupid enough to get carried away in the hype and pre-order one of these ''revolutions'', lol.

Is it possible that you just suffered the fate of the early adopter? Like all those people who returned their ps3s because it sucks so bad. It's early, so the software isn't there atm. Same thing happened to ps2

PS2 had a slow start but were there better alternatives at the time? I'd much rather have a 360 or PS3 with their available/upcomming games (mostly 360). Heck I'll be spending more money on my DS, PS2 and I still play all the last-gen systems. Wii doesn't offer anything more than its controller (which no longer impresses me like groundbreaking gameplay & graphics). So its in a hole forever IMO

that's fine, we're allowed to prefer other things. that's fine. Just dont be close minded about the wii. That's the main problem I have with a lot of anti wii comments.There's a lot ofdismissive tripe like "it's a gimmick" or "it's last gen". IMO, obviously false, but whatever. The wii's current library is not good, so it deserves some prodding, but when the software improves I hope everyone wont be so close minded that they wont dismiss good games just because they dont compare visually with games on the other consoles. Again, though, you dont have to buy anything you dont like.
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[QUOTE="Duckman5"]So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.PhoebusFlows

Hardware wise, Wii is not part of the same generation.
If you challenge this, I can give you countless quotes from major developers who only call PS3 and Xbox 360 and PC "next-gen"

Does that change the fact that the Wii is the successor to the GC?

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gears had tiny maps and over detailed surfaces. Using it to judge games on a larger scope like halo 3 and lair (good graphics but so far, bad gameplay) is not doing justice.
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#87 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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gears had tiny maps and over detailed surfaces. Using it to judge games on a larger scope like halo 3 and lair (good graphics but so far, bad gameplay) is not doing justice.elite_ferns1

thats y they are in maybe list...

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#88 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="Duckman5"]So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.PhoebusFlows

Hardware wise, Wii is not part of the same generation.
If you challenge this, I can give you countless quotes from major developers who only call PS3 and Xbox 360 and PC "next-gen"

*buzzer* wrong!!

hardwarewise it is. it is 1.5 times the power of the xbox....that is a fact and whether or not its show as of yet is another story and the most important point i am going to make is that that power is stuffed in a box that is SMALLER than my 80 gig harddrive and considering it has a drive in it and a gc controller hookup...all the tech is stuffed in a pretty small amount of space. All for 250 bucks....that is hext gen hardware...just a different route. Rather than much more power in a bigger device...the put moderatly more power in a much smaller device.

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True next gen is OnLine! Without it is oldschool.
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#90 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.anasbouzid

Hardware wise, Wii is not part of the same generation.
If you challenge this, I can give you countless quotes from major developers who only call PS3 and Xbox 360 and PC "next-gen"

*buzzer* wrong!!

hardwarewise it is. it is 1.5 times the power of the xbox....that is a fact and whether or not its show as of yet is another story and the most important point i am going to make is that that power is stuffed in a box that is SMALLER than my 80 gig harddrive and considering it has a drive in it and a gc controller hookup...all the tech is stuffed in a pretty small amount of space. All for 250 bucks....that is hext gen hardware...just a different route. Rather than much more power in a bigger device...the put moderatly more power in a much smaller device.

j/w, i dont doubt you, i know the xbox wasnt that taht amazing lol, do u have a link for that i just wanna check that out, if not its ok

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#91 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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True next gen is OnLine! Without it is oldschool.Shomb22

i was takign about the games i listed, online is last gen... and its been on computer for agessssssssssssssssssss and sega had online too

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#92 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]So sick of all this Next gen crap. All games are in the current Gen so they are ALL Next Gen whether you like it or not.anasbouzid

Hardware wise, Wii is not part of the same generation.
If you challenge this, I can give you countless quotes from major developers who only call PS3 and Xbox 360 and PC "next-gen"

*buzzer* wrong!!

hardwarewise it is. it is 1.5 times the power of the xbox....that is a fact and whether or not its show as of yet is another story and the most important point i am going to make is that that power is stuffed in a box that is SMALLER than my 80 gig harddrive and considering it has a drive in it and a gc controller hookup...all the tech is stuffed in a pretty small amount of space. All for 250 bucks....that is hext gen hardware...just a different route. Rather than much more power in a bigger device...the put moderatly more power in a much smaller device.

Well damn I didn't know next-gen was all about space management. If the PS4 is the size of a toaster it'll truly own, thats gotta be some real next-gen. Not like the games mean anything. And many dev's have claimed Wii is basically comparable to an xbox not superior, thats fact. Even Miyamoto called its architecture GC 1.5 not xbox 1.5.
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#93 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

kindaIMO,but not really....

games like:

CRYSIS

KILLZONE 2

MGS4

BIOSHOCK

thos games are next gen, well i think bioshock is right on the line... i dunno how u can compaire bioshock to crysis... lol but w/e,

other games that might be next gen:

UT3

LAIR

MASS EFFECT

HAZE

HALO 3 (i doubt this 1 dosnt look very next gen at all, or play next gen...beta wasnt that amazing)

GRAN TURISMO 5

UNCHARDED: DRAKES FORTUNE

ne other games you think should be added just say and im talking games from 2007-1st half about of 2008...id list games like FF but lets wait on that

Vaizard34

Take notice Nintendo fanboys, NO WII GAMES. THE WII IS NOT NEXT GEN LOSERS!

lol i wouldnt go that far yet... i meant everyhint nintendo is doing now was possible b4r, all u need is a motion sensor...not like arcade machines never had that b4r... but i guess nintendo hasnt gotten there yet...lol yet i have a wii sitting in my basement... lol (i didnt wanna buy it...)

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*buzzer* wrong!!

hardwarewise it is. it is 1.5 times the power of the xbox....that is a fact and whether or not its show as of yet is another story and the most important point i am going to make is that that power is stuffed in a box that is SMALLER than my 80 gig harddrive and considering it has a drive in it and a gc controller hookup...all the tech is stuffed in a pretty small amount of space. All for 250 bucks....that is hext gen hardware...just a different route. Rather than much more power in a bigger device...the put moderatly more power in a much smaller device.

anasbouzid

Console-wise, the Wii is part of the same generation as the others. But REPEAT hardware-wise, it's not. Did you stop to think the Wii plays Gamecube games when it's basically a slightly more powerful Gamecube? Miyamoto said the Wii is "essentially a Gamecube" so, since the Gamecube was LAST-GEN, that means the Wii is closer to last gen in terms of power. Miyamoto said it himself, dont question him.

And the reason PS3 and Xbox 360 need to emulate past gen games shows that they have truly moved on to next-generation hardware since it's not even compatible with BC games wthout proper emulation.

And if the Wii was next-gen in power, it would get games like RE5, Grand Theft Auto 4, Call of Duty 4, and Star Wars Force Unleashed. The developers of these games said they are only possible on next-generation consoles! So basically, it's developers expertise versu your stranger's opinion. I dont need a buzzer to know who is more qualified here.

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#95 michael098
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kindaIMO,but not really....

games like:

CRYSIS

KILLZONE 2

MGS4

BIOSHOCK

thos games are next gen, well i think bioshock is right on the line... i dunno how u can compaire bioshock to crysis... lol but w/e,

other games that might be next gen:

UT3

LAIR

MASS EFFECT

HAZE

HALO 3 (i doubt this 1 dosnt look very next gen at all, or play next gen...beta wasnt that amazing)

GRAN TURISMO 5

UNCHARDED: DRAKES FORTUNE

ne other games you think should be added just say and im talking games from 2007-1st half about of 2008...id list games like FF but lets wait on that

JAMES_L_BROOKS

Out of that list the only games i think are nest gen are

bioshock

crysis (gameplay looks good, but the graphics are so awesome it makes it next gen by itself.)

Mass Effect (good graphics, not as good as others but then there is the size of the game and the gameplay which make it next gen)

Halo 3 (this game has all the signs of next get, why does no one agree? Good graphics, Hopefully an awesome SP, but then there are all the features that are sure to make a good game, like forge and that elephant thing that sounds awesome, also the awesome A.I which will make SP alot of fun......hopefully.)

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#96 michael098
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True next-gen? The absolute ****ing genius that is Bioshock.foxhound_fox

I'm downloading the demo now!!!!!!!! please!!! is there water in it!!! I wont to see the water!!!.....

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#97 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

kindaIMO,but not really....

games like:

CRYSIS

KILLZONE 2

MGS4

BIOSHOCK

thos games are next gen, well i think bioshock is right on the line... i dunno how u can compaire bioshock to crysis... lol but w/e,

other games that might be next gen:

UT3

LAIR

MASS EFFECT

HAZE

HALO 3 (i doubt this 1 dosnt look very next gen at all, or play next gen...beta wasnt that amazing)

GRAN TURISMO 5

UNCHARDED: DRAKES FORTUNE

ne other games you think should be added just say and im talking games from 2007-1st half about of 2008...id list games like FF but lets wait on that

michael098

Out of that list the only games i think are nest gen are

bioshock

crysis (gameplay looks good, but the graphics are so awesome it makes it next gen by itself.)

Mass Effect (good graphics, not as good as others but then there is the size of the game and the gameplay which make it next gen)

Halo 3 (this game has all the signs of next get, why does no one agree? Good graphics, Hopefully an awesome SP, but then there are all the features that are sure to make a good game, like forge and that elephant thing that sounds awesome, also the awesome A.I which will make SP alot of fun......hopefully.)

dude dont be a fanboy... give KZ2 and MGS the respect they desirve...KZ2 has the most adv lighting engine in the world, only bad thing in the pre alpha we saw was the textures, as fore MGS4, that game is amazing, the AI is probly the smartest in a game, if u look back at old MGS games and the Gen they were in u will see what i mean, i guess ill give mass effect little more credit, but its not that that amazing, and ill stand my ground on halo 3... also KZ2 graphics are just as good wiht the lighting in comparson to crysis, so in ur terms that makes it next gen too

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#98 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]True next-gen? The absolute ****ing genius that is Bioshock.michael098

I'm downloading the demo now!!!!!!!! please!!! is there water in it!!! I wont to see the water!!!.....

lol calm down dude...(if u can get picture post them lol....) hah, ya im pretty sure bioshock will be good, but i heard that 360 verson has jaggies, but wait and see i guess, also could havebenn the persons resolution

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#99 ganon42
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Good graphics but crap gameplay does not equal next gen.

True next gen refers to the evolution of video games (I'll leave that up to interpretation).

Boomarley

Whats wrong with amazing graphics and good gameplay. You make the 360/ps3 sound like it has crap controles when that is not true. And btw, we still havent found a game on the wii that proves motion sensing is the way to go.

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#100 afmsquid
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[QUOTE="pyoob"]TRUE NEXT GEN is XBOX 360, PLAYSTATION 3, and High-end PC. GAME OVERgamergeekgeek

and wii too

If you include the Wii, then you'll also have to include the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube.