TV or Monitor?.

STOP Talking out of your ass and misleading people...

Excuse me?

The salt is so real lol.

He's losing his mind because he has a more expensive Asus monitor with weaker color reproduction than the direct competiting BenQ and apparently he doesn't like people pointing out that Nvidia makes money on G-Sync which is entirely the reason they refuse to adopt FreeSync...

The salt is very real.

@dynamitecop:

Yup. I'd say it's kinda funny, but it sucks when somebody is asking for genuine answers, considering a purchase, and then someone else comes along to shit the bed and cast doubt.

@mr_huggles_dog:

As always, it's best to do your own homework before making a purchase. But from what I'm reading here, Nya isn't feeding you any BS, he's legit being helpful and honest.

How the hell do you know what I have? If BenQ really was the superior option I would have bought one but its not so shut the **** up poor boy...

I think it really depends what kind of monitor you get. I've been more "wow'd" by games run on computer monitors in my experience. They always just seem to have a better quality image/performance.

I have never owned one of these fancy 144hz monitors though, nor do I have a 4K television with HDR. I've only ever owned 60hz monitors I believe. Recently I upgraded to a 34" 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor, and I believe it too is 60hz. I bought it mainly for productivity purposes, but I've found myself gaming on it, and it's amazing. I don't think I want to use a different aspect ratio anymore. I'll just wait for some higher end ultrawides come out, and the prices drop for them. Hopefully it gets enough support for companies to keep making them. I look at my old 24" that sits in a corner of my room, and it just looks pathetic.

BenQ is the superior option, however you own Nvidia GPU's so it wouldn't make very much sense if you bought a FreeSync display now would it? Also you would have still bought the Asus regardless because as I highlighted before you were completely unaware that the BenQ has better color reproduction because you're ignorant and technologically illiterate, you remember when you shit the bed arguing with me about it yesterday and I put you on blast? Yeah, so does everyone else in this thread...

Subbing to PCmasterrace on reddit and buying things you're told are the best but know nothing about doesn't make you knowledgeable of PC hardware. You're a PC riding bandwagoner and let popularity contests dictate your purchasing decisions, that much is clear.

Whatever, really. I do love playing my old games by hooking up my laptop to my brand new LCD TV, but I don't love it enough to drag my gaming PC upstairs just for a bigger screen.

@beardmad: Would you like a superior signature lol?

@dynamitecop: If you can provide some image comparisons showing benq being superior to an asus ips in terms of overall picture quality I will concede defeat otherwise this is just another nonsense thread of you trying to justify why your cheap budget crap is superior to a high end product.

@dynamitecop said:

@beardmad: Would you like a superior signature lol?

While nice, it does not capture the same essence as mine does with the decapitated girl's head used as my avatar.

Did you miss this yesterday?

"Once calibrated (and with Black eQ disabled), the XL2730Z offers the most faithful color reproduction of the group. Reds are the largest source of error for this display, as they are for the PG278Q."

Also, did you really just call an XL2730Z "cheap budget crap"? There are no bounds to your continued stupidity on these forums, cost doesn't always equate to quality or superiority, not to mention I wouldn't call a $630 display "cheap", "budget" or "crap", especially when it delivers better color than a considerably more expensive but directly comparative panel like the PG278Q...

I thought he was, but I didn't say he wasn't.

Did I say something wrong?

@dynamitecop: If you don't mind, Could you give me the calibration settings of the XL2730Z?

I'm thinking of getting either that or the lower end 1080p monitor, would you recommend it?

I just calibrated mine myself by tweaking things until it looked right to me, but there are pretty painless guides you can go through to calibrate these displays depending on what you want out of it.

Absolutely I would recommend it, it's been the best monitor I've ever personally owned, seen or used.

What kind of hardware are you running?

i5 4690K @4.7Ghz + RX 480

I mostly play racing sims so I think I should be fine at a higher resolution, but I'm worried about the AAA games. I'm hoping freesync will help with the lower framerate, I have never seen it in person.

What about the Zowie monitors? They are cheaper and look identical to the BenQ, or do they have lower quality panels?

Those are BenQ's, BenQ simply bought Zowie and rebranded their monitors and is using Zowie as their eSport line.

So the XL2730 Zowie display for example is just the BenQ XL2730Z that I have. FreeSync is really nice, it really does make an impressive difference in terms of the way motion is perceived and smoothness.

@dynamitecop: what exactly do you mean by calibrated?

Just going into the settings and adjusting the contrast or something or is it more extensive.

On a side note....it's been a while since I've been this into the hardware side of PC gaming. I forgot how talking about this stuff and researching (went to that RTING.com site) is actually fun.

Yeah, it's just fine tuning the settings to get the most out of the display, defaults are generally okay but you can always make it better.

Nah, I just saw other dude was accusing him of bullshitting and figured you might second guess what Nya was saying.

I use both but i prefer monitor as it feels more immersive to not have people walking in and out of my man cave while im trying to play.

I have noticed input lag on TV but the games i play on it arent the kind of games that make me care that much.

@jun_aka_pekto: VGA most likely sees similar processing to HDMI, except with VGA there are more opportunities for signal degradation (cable, analog to digital conversion). Both see similar amounts of "input lag". It's almost always the better option to use HDMI vs VGA when given the option.

@dynamitecop: how does it deliver better color than the IPS Asus? Based on the chart you posted it looks like it wins with certain colors and loses with others, so more of a wash....not to mention the Benq's slight superiority in blue in kinda meaningless as the human eye is much less sensitive to changes in blue. The more accurate yellow on the Asus is probably a bigger advantage.

There's a reason if a manufacturer has to sacrifice color depth in video hardware it's usually on the blue channel.

I'm not denying that in those tests that the benq has lowest average error, or wins in some measurement...but that's far from the whole picture.

How could you view that as a wash in any degree?

The red delta is roughly 20% higher, the green delta 5% lower, the blue delta 55% lower, the yellow delta is 20% lower, the cyan delta 30% higher and the magenta delta is 60% lower, it has much more accurate color reproduction overall with far less varied negative swings.

Overall you come up with roughly 90% lower error on the whole color spectrum, that's a big difference.

P.S. The Asus does not have a more accurate yellow.

Cause Dynamitecop only knows how to talk out of his ass... That's why

Really, is that a fact? It's pretty simple for you to make yourself look extremely stupid through me, I already showed you this side by side and it could have ended there, but no, you had to keep flapping your gums and now you need inverted images overlayed with partial transparency shoved down your throat to get the message across.

Here is the BenQ directly overlayed against your display the PG278Q, the BenQ is the colors shifted to the left on the graph.

Here is the BenQ against the PB278Q IPS, same shift to the left.

It's no contest, have some dignity and shut up.

@dynamitecop: urrggg more bullshit, whatever helps you sleep better at night...

@dynamitecop: Thanks for the help, I think I will go for the Zowie XL2730!

You're welcome, you'll be very happy with it.

I was basing that on the pre-calibration results (and just the bar graph viewed on a phone, didn't see the link on previous page) as the majority of the users aren't going to buy the equipment to properly calibrate the display, especially any users on this forum that are likely to buy it.

I would much rather take a display with more accurate reds and yellows as that will make a bigger difference than a more accurate blue.

If that's the case, then the input lag (using both HDMI and VGA) from the 2010 24" Dynex is far less than a 2014 32" Hisense. I definitely wouldn't game on the latter. The difference is that noticeable.

I would use the Dynex HDMI more if it wasn't for the tendency of Crytek games to settle on 59 Hz instead of 60 Hz, resulting in washed out colors. I often had to manually set the frequency in the Nvidia Control Panel.

That old TV currently has my primary gaming PC on the VGA, an old Mac Mini (DVI-HDMI cable) on HDMI 2, and as a second monitor for my laptop on HDMI 1. Hmmm. Did I say 3 HDMI earlier. Nope. Just 2 HDMI. The 3 HDMI is a different TV. Anyway, I sometimes have all the computers operating at the same time during maintenance/updates, using the remote to switch between inputs.

Reading all the stuff here, a replacement may not come easy. I just happened to chance upon the good performance of the Dynex 6 years ago. Push comes to shove, I can always go back to pure monitors when it's time to replace the Dynex.

@jun_aka_pekto: Very odd that 59hz results in washed out color, I would expect stuttering or some sort of tearing from the 59hz vsync.

The gameboy project linked in my sig has a "59hz" mode to match the original GBA refresh rate and a 60hz mode for better display compatibility, both modes have identical colors.

Interesting observation though.

That's what happens when I run Crysis, Warhead, and Crysis 2 at 59 Hz instead of 60 Hz. I haven't seen stuttering yet that I could trace back to the TV.

As for screen tearing..... Not much tearing at all with the above games except in Warhead when Psycho is climbing up the Air Traffic Control tower outside. Since, that's the only spot, I've kept VSYNC off.

I'm currently playing Metro: Last Light on both my PC and laptop. I haven't seen any tearing on the PC which is hooked up to the Dynex TV (VSYNC off). I have seen a couple instances on the laptop which is why VSYNC is on for that one.

Why? You are pretty much paying for size while sacrificing everything else.

Color is rubbish because it's a TN panel. If you want good colors you will have to go to IPS panels, which will have slightly higher latency (usually around 4ms). I much prefer the better colors and viewing angle myself.

I would definitely have two setups:

• Cheap TV for consoles
• Nice 2K res, IPS panel, 120Hz+, 27"+, adaptive-sync monitor for PC

no, you're not

Yes, you are.

https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16824014372

What do you guys think of that monitor?

Also wtf is the refresh rate on it? It says some b.s. About vertical and horizontal but nothing clear like 120 or 60 htz.

@ConanTheStoner: @dynamitecop: was wondering you guys would take a look at my last post and tell me what you think.

The contrast ratio is only 20mil vs some Asus that have 100mil. But other than that....

That is a very nice monitor, it was like $700+ last year, it's aimed more at the professional market, photo/video editing, CAD design, general productivity etc. I'd say it's perfectly fine for gaming and at $399 it's a very good deal, but you need to be aware that it's just not going to have the performance you can get from a 27" by sacrificing that 5". Like I was saying earlier, in relation to monitor size you've put yourself in kind of pickle where for a few more inches you begin to sacrifice some performance metrics. I'm not saying get a smaller display, but I think you really need to be aware that for gaming you're buying into a niche monitor market at those sizes where gaming is not the point of focus, so you're going to have to deal with some drawbacks that for me personally I am not comfortable with, but I'm also the competitive type for first person shooters.

If you're going to PC game right now 27" is the sweet spot with the best advantages from all directions, where you're concerned and what you want doesn't really line up with the market as it sits right now. In the future that could change, but for now at 32" you're going to have to deal with the way things are.

Also in terms of contrast ratio, it's 3000:1 which is very good, 4000:1 is essentially perfect. Those 20,000,000:1 and 100,000,000:1 ratios you're seeing don't mean anything and present a deceptive look to coerce people without knowledge into thinking it's better because it has a higher number, that is dynamic contrast ratio and that is something you want to disable immediately. Also you should take note that this display has a 10-bit color gamut so you're going to get a wider array of color out of it.

For what you want, at $399 that is a solid choice, it is a 60hz display, at lower resolutions than native it can operate at 75hz.

@dynamitecop: Well, I appreciate the info, but I'm going with a Sony HDTV X800D. It has one of the lower response times at 13 and pretty low input lag and it's a decent size TV....and also 4K.

The only reason I'm choosing it is b/c as of right now, my man cave isn't that big space wise and I don't have room for one set up for my PC and another for my consoles....so I need an all-in-one fix.

With the HDTV, it has 4 HDMI ports for all my stuff.

Personally, I would rather that BenQ monitor....but it just doesn't work for me function wise right now. Plus I can't find too many 1440p monitors that are 120hz.

I took your advice on that part....not going with 4K right now...but as it stands....if I'm going to need a HDTV...I might as well get 4K especially since the price of the TV i'm getting is really cheap right now.

Thanks.

I know it's my silly settings on my monitors, but I prefer TV -- better colors and use of lighting. Anytime I try to watch something on monitor after seeing it on TV it looks washed out/faded.

@dynamitecop: So I got that TV and it's good...but I really want a monitor for the response time and input lag.

So I looked on Newegg and I'd much rather have one....but my one remaining question is: can I use a monitor with my consoles?

I figured I'll use DisplayPort with my PC and the HDMI port for my console.

But I'm not sure how that works with a monitor bc frankly I've never tried it.

@mr_huggles_dog:

You can. Before I moved, I had my WiiU and PS4 hooked up to my monitor. Of course your consoles won't see the true benefit of those high refresh rates, but you will definitely notice the response time in faster paced titles. Platformers, 3d beat em ups, and fighting games are the kinds of games I notice a significant difference in when it comes to console games.

@mr_huggles_dog: You can use a monitor with your consoles no problem, provided the monitor has an HDMI input. Just realize that consoles can only make use of 60hz refresh rate.

Also be aware that if it's a 2560x1440p display then 1080p sources will look kinda bad. The monitor will have to upscale the console's 1080p video to 1440p and monitors almost always have crappy upscaling hardware.

@achilles614: @ConanTheStoner: do guys know of any monitors with particularly good upscaling ability.

@dynamitecop: @ConanTheStoner: @achilles614: So, I have another question: I'm thinking of getting a BenQ monitor....but it's ultra wide.

How will that affect the display for any console I hook up to it?

@mr_huggles_dog:

Sorry broseph, I'm not sure on any of the above. I have a triple monitor setup for work purposes, but they're all just 1080p monitors.

@mr_huggles_dog: I would assume the monitor will scale the image as much as possible vertically with black bars on the side. Scaling quality on a 1440p ultra-wide should be similar to a 2560x1440p monitor except the ultra-wide would have black bars on the side.

I don't have any first hand experience with monitors that have good scaling quality so there aren't any I can recommend.