Ubisoft's new DRM in action. PC gaming am fail??

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Is it pronounce you-be-soft or oo-bee-soft?killerfist

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Is it pronounce you-be-soft or oo-bee-soft?Brownesque

Ubisoft's new DRM in action

Be online or begone

The news of Ubisoft's new DRM has raised a lot of questions, but now some got the chance to test it in action, and it's just as we expected it to be – far from grand.

While Ubisoft claims that this move should address piracy issues, we're not sure whether ridding users of offline playing mode is a wise thing, and we're yet to see how effective it will be in fighting piracy.

So, those lacking internet connection can thus wave goodbye to the games that will use this DRM, whereas those with connectivity issues such as occasional drops better stock up on tranquilizers, because they'll probably need them

The reason is simple – a connection drop due to your provider, lousy cable or a server drop will leave you with a screen (that you'll probably grow to hate pretty quick) offer a choice of saving your last checkpoint and quitting to Windows. All your progress since the checkpoint will be lost and we're wondering why customers should be inconvenienced this way as Ubisoft war on pirates is not what they paid for. Talk about customer service.

You can find out more here.

Fudzilla

This will be apart of the PC version of AC2. I mean a disconnection and you'll be thworn out? What have we come to PC gaming?:(

Gambler_3

I don't plan to play or purchase AC2. I haven't finished AC1. The entire story premise is ####.

You know what is funny of this? Pirates will always find a way for remove the DRM and get away with what they want; meanwhile, legal customers will have to suffer because of this. I remember I saw that pc gaming isn't dying because of lack of games but it may die because developers and publishers do this. Miroku32

Is it pronounce you-be-soft or oo-bee-soft?clubsammich91

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Is it pronounce you-be-soft or oo-bee-soft?Brownesque

Settlers 7 on the other hand seem to just stop your progress..you simply can't play the game, but even if you leave the game and then return you will start from the exact moment you lost connection

Only Assasins Creed 2 is like you describe

The question will this stop piracy or will just make the Assassin Creed 2 scene torrent be delayed a week?

Because if doesn't complete stop piracy on the game, Ubisoft is shooting themselves on the foot. They might even lose real customers with this stunt.

I agree and understand the anger about this.

Most can't guarantee a 100% constant connection and I know that's not really the point considering you paid for the game, but what does this then say about Onlive, where you also buy/rent games but require a constant connection.

I know the anger is because this is just a DRM, but is the other link not there?

I agree and understand the anger about this.

Most can't guarantee a 100% constant connection and I know that's not really the point considering you paid for the game, but what does this then say about Onlive, where you also buy/rent games but require a constant connection.

I know the anger is because this is just a DRM, but is the other link not there?

Darth_DuMas

I think it's worth a shot. I don't much like the fact that losing a connection entirely gets you thrown back to the last checkpoint (the game's checkpoints were not always very clear or closeby, especially in the tombs). Sometimes I travel overseas, as well, and that opens another can of worms: obviously I lose my beloved off-line play. Just how fast does the connection have to be, and does the IP have to be America-based? When the pirates eventually break the DRM, Ubisoft should release a patch to get rid of it for legitimate users later in the game's lifetime - a year later, let's say.

The PC is a special market which is uniquely susceptible to pirating. Sometimes developers have to try unorthodox methods to protect their property. It sucks, but if they finally found something that works, I'll live with it - as long as they make sure to sell the PC version for cheaper than the console ones.

P.S.: I was really hoping the PC version would have a normal save/load feature. The implication here seems to be that it does not. What a shame.

lol sounds more like Ubisoft fails.

I agree and understand the anger about this.

Most can't guarantee a 100% constant connection and I know that's not really the point considering you paid for the game, but what does this then say about Onlive, where you also buy/rent games but require a constant connection.

I know the anger is because this is just a DRM, but is the other link not there?

Darth_DuMas

>Compare Online only games to games with annoying anti piracy measures that will ultimately fail and only annoy people who actually bought it

>Not understanding the anger

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

I agree and understand the anger about this.

Most can't guarantee a 100% constant connection and I know that's not really the point considering you paid for the game, but what does this then say about Onlive, where you also buy/rent games but require a constant connection.

I know the anger is because this is just a DRM, but is the other link not there?

ritz2

>Compare Online only games to games with annoying anti piracy measures that will ultimately fail and only annoy people who actually bought it

>Not understanding the anger

Well I just thought that if people are unhappy about this with one of the reasons being most internet connections are not uninterrupted (and rightly so), how will Onlive fair considering you also need an constant uniterrupted connection.

Steam for example, while it can require a connection it does not require a constant one, so it works. It sort of makes a one off connection when you launch the game.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

I agree and understand the anger about this.

Most can't guarantee a 100% constant connection and I know that's not really the point considering you paid for the game, but what does this then say about Onlive, where you also buy/rent games but require a constant connection.

I know the anger is because this is just a DRM, but is the other link not there?

True_Gamer_

Sorry, I think we miss understood each other, I was just making a link with reason over needing a constant connection to gaming with the upcoming Onlive service where you also need to have a constant connection because the games aren't running off your computer.

:)

[QUOTE="ritz2"]

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

I agree and understand the anger about this.

Most can't guarantee a 100% constant connection and I know that's not really the point considering you paid for the game, but what does this then say about Onlive, where you also buy/rent games but require a constant connection.

I know the anger is because this is just a DRM, but is the other link not there?

Darth_DuMas

>Compare Online only games to games with annoying anti piracy measures that will ultimately fail and only annoy people who actually bought it

>Not understanding the anger

Well I just thought that if people are unhappy about this with one of the reasons being most internet connections are not uninterrupted (and rightly so), how will Onlive fair considering you also need an constant uniterrupted connection.

Steam for example, while it can require a connection it does not require a constant one, so it works. It sort of makes a one off connection when you launch the game.

Although it greatly hinders travel, I agree that an internet connection isn't the be-all-end-all of everything. Not in this day and age, not for a hardcore PC gamer living in America. But if Ubisoft was going to do this, they should have done it properly. The client and server should be regularly sending save game information between each other (isn't that whole non-DRM justification for this?) constantly auto-saving so that the game is instantly returned to where it was when the connection got cut off.

Ubisoft's new DRM in action

Be online or begone

The news of Ubisoft's new DRM has raised a lot of questions, but now some got the chance to test it in action, and it's just as we expected it to be – far from grand.

While Ubisoft claims that this move should address piracy issues, we're not sure whether ridding users of offline playing mode is a wise thing, and we're yet to see how effective it will be in fighting piracy.

So, those lacking internet connection can thus wave goodbye to the games that will use this DRM, whereas those with connectivity issues such as occasional drops better stock up on tranquilizers, because they'll probably need them

The reason is simple – a connection drop due to your provider, lousy cable or a server drop will leave you with a screen (that you'll probably grow to hate pretty quick) offer a choice of saving your last checkpoint and quitting to Windows. All your progress since the checkpoint will be lost and we're wondering why customers should be inconvenienced this way as Ubisoft war on pirates is not what they paid for. Talk about customer service.

You can find out more here.

Fudzilla

This will be apart of the PC version of AC2. I mean a disconnection and you'll be thworn out? What have we come to PC gaming?:(

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

[QUOTE="ritz2"]

>Compare Online only games to games with annoying anti piracy measures that will ultimately fail and only annoy people who actually bought it

>Not understanding the anger

SakusEnvoy

Well I just thought that if people are unhappy about this with one of the reasons being most internet connections are not uninterrupted (and rightly so), how will Onlive fair considering you also need an constant uniterrupted connection.

Steam for example, while it can require a connection it does not require a constant one, so it works. It sort of makes a one off connection when you launch the game.

Although it greatly hinders travel, I agree that an internet connection isn't the be-all-end-all of everything. Not in this day and age, not for a hardcore PC gamer living in America. But if Ubisoft was going to do this, they should have done it properly. The client and server should be regularly sending save game information between each other (isn't that whole non-DRM justification for this?) constantly auto-saving so that the game is instantly returned to where it was when the connection got cut off.

I agree, I couldn't imagine someone would make more of a mess then EA and limited installs, but well done Ubi you've lowered my opinion further of as to just how dumb publishers can be.

I personally don't trust the interet connection enough to rely on it for gaming.

PC MMos? Do you know the word PRIVATE SERVERS? Ask NcSoft how antipirate the MMO system is :lol:

True_Gamer_

Piracy rates for MMOs are far lower than single player pc games, and in many cases lower than Xbox 360 games. So there has been a lot of success that can't be discounted.

PC gaming am fail only if the entire industry jumps on board...

EA tried the exact same DRM with Mass Effect and they were very quick to turn face about it. Pirates are unstoppable, so developers need to find a way to make more people want to pay to play their games, and not try to "stop" pirates.foxhound_fox

This new DRM is sad. What's even worse is that it literally does nothing to prevent piracy. A crack was released for Bioshock 2 within the first week of release and it's already been successfully pirated by tons of people.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]EA tried the exact same DRM with Mass Effect and they were very quick to turn face about it. Pirates are unstoppable, so developers need to find a way to make more people want to pay to play their games, and not try to "stop" pirates.Makari

CnC4 DRM looks to be very similiar to Ubi's one though

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]PC MMos? Do you know the word PRIVATE SERVERS? Ask NcSoft how antipirate the MMO system is :lol:

dc337

Piracy rates for MMOs are far lower than single player pc games, and in many cases lower than Xbox 360 games. So there has been a lot of success that can't be discounted.

Ubi soft DRM only checks the connection to the server, it doesn't leave any data to be streamed from them, it's all on your hd

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]PC MMos? Do you know the word PRIVATE SERVERS? Ask NcSoft how antipirate the MMO system is :lol:

dc337

Piracy rates for MMOs are far lower than single player pc games, and in many cases lower than Xbox 360 games. So there has been a lot of success that can't be discounted.

Then how do you explain the fact that VERY few MMOs survive to even be sustained? Look at the sales numbers:

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110022

I cannot see many MMOs...Only 2 are in the top 20....Vast majority of games are single player games....If piracy and antipiracy was as important as you claim MMOs would top the PC charts everysingle time....Where is AION? Warhammer Online? Age of Conan? These MMOs dont even have private servers (apart from AION)....

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Is it pronounce you-be-soft or oo-bee-soft?Gambler_3

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]PC MMos? Do you know the word PRIVATE SERVERS? Ask NcSoft how antipirate the MMO system is :lol:

dc337

Piracy rates for MMOs are far lower than single player pc games, and in many cases lower than Xbox 360 games. So there has been a lot of success that can't be discounted.

Ubisoft's new DRM in action

Be online or begone

The news of Ubisoft's new DRM has raised a lot of questions, but now some got the chance to test it in action, and it's just as we expected it to be – far from grand.

While Ubisoft claims that this move should address piracy issues, we're not sure whether ridding users of offline playing mode is a wise thing, and we're yet to see how effective it will be in fighting piracy.

So, those lacking internet connection can thus wave goodbye to the games that will use this DRM, whereas those with connectivity issues such as occasional drops better stock up on tranquilizers, because they'll probably need them

The reason is simple – a connection drop due to your provider, lousy cable or a server drop will leave you with a screen (that you'll probably grow to hate pretty quick) offer a choice of saving your last checkpoint and quitting to Windows. All your progress since the checkpoint will be lost and we're wondering why customers should be inconvenienced this way as Ubisoft war on pirates is not what they paid for. Talk about customer service.

You can find out more here.

Fudzilla

This will be apart of the PC version of AC2. I mean a disconnection and you'll be thworn out? What have we come to PC gaming?:(

Gambler_3

It really doesnt sound so bad to me. my internet rarely F's up and when it does i cant play any game anyway because all 48 pc games i own are on steam single player or not.

It really doesnt sound so bad to me. my internet rarely F's up and when it does i cant play any game anyway because all 48 pc games i own are on steam single player or not.

rockzo

its been tested and found to be terrible.

Ubisoft is one of pc gaming's best friends. I highly doubt AC2 is gonna be rendered unplayble because of this. i can see where this angers some of you pirates but it doesnt bother me any. and i will be getting this game.

Ubisoft is one of pc gaming's best friends. I highly doubt AC2 is gonna be rendered unplayble because of this. i can see where this angers some of you pirates but it doesnt bother me any. and i will be getting this game.

rockzo

Elaborate. Pirates are the only one who won't have to bother with it.

[QUOTE="rockzo"]

Ubisoft is one of pc gaming's best friends. I highly doubt AC2 is gonna be rendered unplayble because of this. i can see where this angers some of you pirates but it doesnt bother me any. and i will be getting this game.

Mograine

Elaborate. Pirates are the only one who won't have to bother with it.

This game is officially a failure on pc. You just cant delay the pc version so long and ask from the pc gamers to pay 60 bucks for the most overused drm fest product ever made. I for one will buy the console version when the game comes out for pc. It will be half the price if not less of the pc version when it comes out. Good job killing the pc version ubisoft and good job for us killing the pc version sales of ubisoft games that will use those tactics, plus lossing pc versions in the future.dakan45

Console gamers pay 60$ for games all the time. its really not much money(atleast for me) I have no problem with a developer trying to protect their product. AC2 is gonna be a great game and i highly look forward to it. its just a bummer alot of you are gonna miss out because of your pre dispositons to DRM. console gamers have a worse time with DRM anyway, they install their games on their hardrives yet they still have to put in the disc to play. if thats not DRM as well idk what is.

Both PIRATES and publishers are problem here. Yes, publishers can do frindly DRM, but on other hand, you can't forget about reason why they doing this and why they makeing more stronger DRM each game. Games with Multiplayer games can protect them selfs from servers makein game experience more lesser for pirates, but single plalyer games don't have this line of defence and this is where DRM rise the most... Ubisoft makeing mostly single player games, right?

You know what is funny of this? Pirates will always find a way for remove the DRM and get away with what they want; meanwhile, legal customers will have to suffer because of this. I remember I saw that pc gaming isn't dying because of lack of games but it may die because developers and publishers do this. Miroku32

no, not PC gaming fail, Ubisoft fail. Ubisoft will cry when they see their quarterly report with these shenanigans on the docket.Brownesque

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]no, not PC gaming fail, Ubisoft fail. Ubisoft will cry when they see their quarterly report with these shenanigans on the docket.harry_james_pot

Pirates will always find a way.

Gxgear

One game does not represent all of PC gaming.

789shadow

LMAO... this wont work... there will be a crack that fools the DRM into thinking the user is online anyway... utterly ridiculous.Birdy09

PC gaming am fail? No. Ubisoft am fail.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

One game does not represent all of PC gaming.

darkspineslayer

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="rockzo"]

Ubisoft is one of pc gaming's best friends. I highly doubt AC2 is gonna be rendered unplayble because of this. i can see where this angers some of you pirates but it doesnt bother me any. and i will be getting this game.

AdrianWerner

Elaborate. Pirates are the only one who won't have to bother with it.

Doubt it, most likely days, but since the game will probably leaked a week before hand, pirates will have plenty of time to release the cracked version when the game actually releases. Plus, PC gamers have been waiting a long time for the PC version anyways, many of them are probably pissed off enough to wait a bit longer. All the hardcore fans would have gotten it for a console already.

Aww great, not this again. This is just going to be Spore all over again.