Uncharted 2 - the actual Halo killer?
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lol Everyone knows it wont, stop trying to pour gas into a flame war. According to you people that brag about sales, Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit are the top 3 best games of this gen. :lol: Yeah, that's what I thought. Stop bringing up sales. Nobody cares. Nobody ever has and ever will. Sales will never be a reflection on a game's quality. If anything, they're a reflection on a game's marketing, fanbase, and mass appeal(aka n00b appeal on some games).[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
So, Uncharted 2 for 2.5 million copies in 2 weeks right?
DoomZaW
how come 1.5 million players online every day 2 years after a games release doesn't reflect quality?
It doesn't. I'm sure more than 1.5 million people a day play Wii Sports worldwide, does that mean it's a better game? :| Halo games are popular because of the millions and millions of dollars of marketing that went behind them and also because it was the first good game on the original Xbox, so it gathered a following quickly due to the Xbox's lackluster library at the time. Then the people that bought the 360 most likely bought it because they liked the original Halo games, so wanted to play Halo 3. Uncharted 2 doesn't have that following yet and it doesn't have all that money of mass marketing behind it yet either, but that doesn't change the fact that it's already shaping up to be one of the best games of all time.lol Everyone knows it wont, stop trying to pour gas into a flame war. According to you people that brag about sales, Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit are the top 3 best games of this gen. :lol: Yeah, that's what I thought. Stop bringing up sales. Nobody cares. Nobody ever has and ever will. Sales will never be a reflection on a game's quality. If anything, they're a reflection on a game's marketing, fanbase, and mass appeal(aka n00b appeal on some games).[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
So, Uncharted 2 for 2.5 million copies in 2 weeks right?
DoomZaW
how come 1.5 million players online every day 2 years after a games release doesn't reflect quality?
it does reflect quality just not the sales dude read the post
Uncharted 2 wont sell 2.5 million in a month because
- its ma some parent prefer m to ma
- not a household name
- not as large a fanbase
- more ads on the tube
No such thing as a "Halo killer".
[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="delta3074"]love to forget that the ps3 is still in last place huh?delta3074Love to forget the 360 had a year head start huh?still doesn't change the fact that the ps3 is in last place, your response was weaksauce mate,lol Nah it wasn't "weaksauce", since its head start the only reason the 360 is a place above PS3.
lol Everyone knows it wont, stop trying to pour gas into a flame war. According to you people that brag about sales, Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit are the top 3 best games of this gen. :lol: Yeah, that's what I thought. Stop bringing up sales. Nobody cares. Nobody ever has and ever will. Sales will never be a reflection on a game's quality. If anything, they're a reflection on a game's marketing, fanbase, and mass appeal(aka n00b appeal on some games).[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
So, Uncharted 2 for 2.5 million copies in 2 weeks right?
ActicEdge
This thread is about killing Halo. What are you going to kill a AAA series with? A AAA game? Naw, more like your game comes out and makes everybody forget about the series it killed and vastly outsells it. So yes, this is entirely about sales.
I never said anything about killing Halo. Halo will never die, it has a huge following and mass marketing. Whoever made this thread obviously doesn't understand how much profit Bungie and Microsoft are making off the Halo games. I'm just saying stop talking about Halo 3 selling 2.5 million copies in 2 weeks like it matters. We get it already... we've known this for years. It's not surprising. Halo 3 was all over people's Mountain Dew cans, the 3rd most popular soda in America after Coke and Pepsi. The marketing for Halo 3 was great. It had it's own show on MTV during launch showing celebrities playing it. Etc etc. My point is, Uncharted 2 will never have that kind of marketing because it isn't as mainstream yet. So don't compare Uncharted 2's sales to Halo 3's sales like there's really even a point.Because there are OTHER games on the 360 :roll: PLus Halo 3 is constantly on the top weekly XBL player list,[QUOTE="Wii_Gamer_277"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Why isn't there atleast 4-5 million playing it a day then?GreyFoXX4
What other games? Cod series? Or a demo?
Try splitting communities with Socom, R2, KZ2, LBP, cod series and heck even Fat Princess, its always rolling with 32 player games lol and theres still a mgonline community going. And right now the communities are getting split just because of the MAG beta and U2 demo lol.
I'm sorry but there is alot of quality mp games/shooters to play on the ps3. Where as the 360 its Gears, Halo and cod series. Not only that but not really just one game defines the Playstation brand, where as Halo defines the xbox experience. I find it crazy when I meet someone that ownes a xbox and don't own Halo3, I just scratch my head lol.
So you're trying to tell me that the ps3 community is too split up between 4 games? Ok..there's Halo 3, Gears 1 (yes ppl play it), Gears 2, Left 4 Dead, Cod 4, Cod 5, ODST, Forza 2, Battlefield 1942 etc etc..but yeah 360 owners don't have any quality mp games to play.
Because there are OTHER games on the 360 :roll: PLus Halo 3 is constantly on the top weekly XBL player list,Wii_Gamer_277
What other games? Cod series? Or a demo?
Try splitting communities with Socom, R2, KZ2, LBP, cod series and heck even Fat Princess, its always rolling with 32 player games lol and theres still a mgonline community going. And right now the communities are getting split just because of the MAG beta and U2 demo lol.
I'm sorry but there is alot of quality mp games/shooters to play on the ps3. Where as the 360 its Gears, Halo and cod series. Not only that but not really just one game defines the Playstation brand, where as Halo defines the xbox experience. I find it crazy when I meet someone that ownes a xbox and don't own Halo3, I just scratch my head lol.
So you're trying to tell me that the ps3 community is too split up between 4 games? Ok..there's Halo 3, Gears 1 (yes ppl play it), Gears 2, Left 4 Dead, Cod 4, Cod 5, ODST, Forza 2, Battlefield 1942 etc etc..but yeah 360 owners don't have any quality mp games to play. Once again halo3, Gears of war, a 1 1/2 year old game, cod series, forza 2?, battlefield 1943 is on the ps3 also. So you explained my point exactly HALO AND GEARS, thats what the 360 gives you after 4 years on the market lol.[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="delta3074"]still doesn't change the fact that the ps3 is in last place, your response was weaksauce mate,loldelta3074Nah it wasn't "weaksauce", since its head start the only reason the 360 is a place above PS3.can you prove that sport?, the truth is, we will never know, thanks for sharing your OPINION though Its called logic actually. If one sold 20 million in less time than the other, then it would be safe to assume if both released at the same time then the faster selling one would be ahead.
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"] Nah it wasn't "weaksauce", since its head start the only reason the 360 is a place above PS3.GreyFoXX4can you prove that sport?, the truth is, we will never know, thanks for sharing your OPINION though Its called logic actually. If one sold 20 million in less time than the other, then it would be safe to assume if both released at the same time then the faster selling one would be ahead.the xbox 360 probably lost a lot of sales because of it's unreliability, if it had released a year later it probably wouldn't have had those problems and would probably have sold more unit's, to come to a logical conclusion, you have to look at all possible scenerios, besides you can speculate about what could have happened all day long, it didn't happen, the ps3 is still in last place, that may change, but in the here and now it's dead last
[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]So you're trying to tell me that the ps3 community is too split up between 4 games? Ok..there's Halo 3, Gears 1 (yes ppl play it), Gears 2, Left 4 Dead, Cod 4, Cod 5, ODST, Forza 2, Battlefield 1942 etc etc..but yeah 360 owners don't have any quality mp games to play. Once again halo3, Gears of war, a 1 1/2 year old game, cod series, forza 2?, battlefield 1943 is on the ps3 also. So you explained my point exactly HALO AND GEARS, thats what the 360 gives you after 4 years on the market lol.GreyFoXX4
This is incorrect. The 360 is still ahead in the number of A, AA, AAA, and AAAA exclusive titles. What people play online and AAAE's are only part of the equation and to ignore intelligent timed exlusives like Mass Effect is to completely ignore why Microsoft is ahead in software sales, hardware sales,online support, and an experience that millions prefer as opposed to the PS3.
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"] Nah it wasn't "weaksauce", since its head start the only reason the 360 is a place above PS3.GreyFoXX4can you prove that sport?, the truth is, we will never know, thanks for sharing your OPINION though Its called logic actually. If one sold 20 million in less time than the other, then it would be safe to assume if both released at the same time then the faster selling one would be ahead.
So, what you're proving here is that Microsoft was smart for rushing their console to the market to gain a lead in sales? I mean, that does make sense.
[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="delta3074"]can you prove that sport?, the truth is, we will never know, thanks for sharing your OPINION thoughdelta3074Its called logic actually. If one sold 20 million in less time than the other, then it would be safe to assume if both released at the same time then the faster selling one would be ahead.the xbox 360 probably lost a lot of sales because of it's unreliability, if it had released a year later it probably wouldn't have had those problems and would probably have sold more unit's, to come to a logical conclusion, you have to look at all possible scenerios, besides you can speculate about what could have happened all day long, it didn't happen, the ps3 is still in last place, that may change, but in the here and now it's dead last Your really pulling strings out of your butt you know that right lol. Its been 4 years and MS still hasn't fixed the 360. So you can try to twist thing anyway you want them, but the facts point to the ps3 would have been ahead of the 360 if both released at the same time. Heck I'm not even trying to say what if the ps3 was the same price, and thats the kind of strings your trying to pull lol.
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Its called logic actually. If one sold 20 million in less time than the other, then it would be safe to assume if both released at the same time then the faster selling one would be ahead.GreyFoXX4the xbox 360 probably lost a lot of sales because of it's unreliability, if it had released a year later it probably wouldn't have had those problems and would probably have sold more unit's, to come to a logical conclusion, you have to look at all possible scenerios, besides you can speculate about what could have happened all day long, it didn't happen, the ps3 is still in last place, that may change, but in the here and now it's dead last Your really pulling strings out of your butt you know that right lol. Its been 4 years and MS still hasn't fixed the 360. So you can try to twist thing anyway you want them, but the facts point to the ps3 would have been ahead of the 360 if both released at the same time. Heck I'm not even trying to say what if the ps3 was the same price, and thats the kind of strings your trying to pull lol.the ps3 is in last place, i don't care about what could have been, i live in the real world, and in the real world the ps3 is in last place, just deal with it , and it's not fact that the ps3 would be ahead of the 360 if they had released at the same time, it may be sound speculation, but not a fact, anything could have happened, but it didn't did it, the only FACT here is one i have already stated, the ps3 is in last place, end of
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Its called logic actually. If one sold 20 million in less time than the other, then it would be safe to assume if both released at the same time then the faster selling one would be ahead.GreyFoXX4the xbox 360 probably lost a lot of sales because of it's unreliability, if it had released a year later it probably wouldn't have had those problems and would probably have sold more unit's, to come to a logical conclusion, you have to look at all possible scenerios, besides you can speculate about what could have happened all day long, it didn't happen, the ps3 is still in last place, that may change, but in the here and now it's dead last Your really pulling strings out of your butt you know that right lol. Its been 4 years and MS still hasn't fixed the 360. So you can try to twist thing anyway you want them, but the facts point to the ps3 would have been ahead of the 360 if both released at the same time. Heck I'm not even trying to say what if the ps3 was the same price, and thats the kind of strings your trying to pull lol.the ps3 is in last place, i don't care about what could have been, i live in the real world, and in the real world the ps3 is in last place, just deal with it , and it's not fact that the ps3 would be ahead of the 360 if they had released at the same time, it may be sound speculation, but not a fact, anything could have happened, but it didn't did it, the only FACT here is one i have already stated, the ps3 is in last place, end of
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] lol Everyone knows it wont, stop trying to pour gas into a flame war. According to you people that brag about sales, Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit are the top 3 best games of this gen. :lol: Yeah, that's what I thought. Stop bringing up sales. Nobody cares. Nobody ever has and ever will. Sales will never be a reflection on a game's quality. If anything, they're a reflection on a game's marketing, fanbase, and mass appeal(aka n00b appeal on some games). Messiahbolical-
This thread is about killing Halo. What are you going to kill a AAA series with? A AAA game? Naw, more like your game comes out and makes everybody forget about the series it killed and vastly outsells it. So yes, this is entirely about sales.
I never said anything about killing Halo. Halo will never die, it has a huge following and mass marketing. Whoever made this thread obviously doesn't understand how much profit Bungie and Microsoft are making off the Halo games. I'm just saying stop talking about Halo 3 selling 2.5 million copies in 2 weeks like it matters. We get it already... we've known this for years. It's not surprising. Halo 3 was all over people's Mountain Dew cans, the 3rd most popular soda in America after Coke and Pepsi. The marketing for Halo 3 was great. It had it's own show on MTV during launch showing celebrities playing it. Etc etc. My point is, Uncharted 2 will never have that kind of marketing because it isn't as mainstream yet. So don't compare Uncharted 2's sales to Halo 3's sales like there's really even a point.Why? Is Sony inable to give Uncharted 2 a great ad campaign. Sony isnt poor (regardless of how poorly they are doing), they coul do Halo advertising if they wanted too. They choose not to but that doesn't get them off the hook. And I'was originally responding to TC, where it was a thread with a basis for sales.FYI, marketing makes things mainstream, not the othe way around
the ps3 is in last place, i don't care about what could have been, i live in the real world, and in the real world the ps3 is in last place, just deal with it , and it's not fact that the ps3 would be ahead of the 360 if they had released at the same time, it may be sound speculation, but not a fact, anything could have happened, but it didn't did it, the only FACT here is one i have already stated, the ps3 is in last place, end ofdelta3074By your logic, the Wii is a MUCH better console than the 360, since it's sold like more than 40% as much as it in a shorter amount of time. PS3 has sold at a faster rate than the 360, but do I care? No. I don't get any benefit from sales, I couldn't give a **** if the PS3 sold 10 consoles worldwide. I'm a gamer, not an investor. However, the PS3 has surpassed the 360 where it really matters, exclusives. And it did that even with the 360 getting a whole year head start. You don't want to acknowledge that though, because you know it's true but you'd rather pretend it doesn't matter. Guess what, it does. And the PS3's going to leave the 360 in the dust next year with over 10 exclusives, while the 360 only has 4.
You know what? Sony has spent minimal amounts of money advertising their games this gen compared to Microsoft and they're still selling well. It seems like Microsoft have been too busy spending all their money advertising their games where Sony is spending their money actually buying up all these new exclusives. I don't have a problem with that. Sony can spend all the money they want on new exclusives, I couldn't give a crap if Uncharted 2 sold only 4,000 copies as long as I get to play it. Look at Nintendo, they're making all that money on the Wii yet they're still not putting their money into buying up new exclusives... instead they take the easy route and just rehash the same stuff they've been making for decades. You'd think there'd be all these amazing new IPs on the Wii with all of the money Nintendo's raking in constantly.... but instead you have new IP's like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Cooking Mama.Why? Is Sony inable to give Uncharted 2 a great ad campaign. Sony isnt poor (regardless of how poorly they are doing), they coul do Halo advertising if they wanted too. They choose not to but that doesn't get them off the hook. And I'was originally responding to TC, where it was a thread with a basis for sales.FYI, marketing makes things mainstream, not the othe way around
ActicEdge
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]You know what? Sony has spent minimal amounts of money advertising their games this gen compared to Microsoft and they're still selling well. It seems like Microsoft have been too busy spending all their money advertising their games where Sony is spending their money actually buying up all these new exclusives. I don't have a problem with that. Sony can spend all the money they want on new exclusives, I couldn't give a crap if Uncharted 2 sold only 4,000 copies as long as I get to play it. Look at Nintendo, they're making all that money on the Wii yet they're still not putting their money into buying up new exclusives... instead they take the easy route and just rehash the same stuff they've been making for decades. You'd think there'd be all these amazing new IPs on the Wii with all of the money Nintendo's raking in constantly.... but instead you have new IP's like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Cooking Mama.Why? Is Sony inable to give Uncharted 2 a great ad campaign. Sony isnt poor (regardless of how poorly they are doing), they coul do Halo advertising if they wanted too. They choose not to but that doesn't get them off the hook. And I'was originally responding to TC, where it was a thread with a basis for sales.FYI, marketing makes things mainstream, not the othe way around
Messiahbolical-
This post has nothing to do with what I said. Do you want to stay on topic?
and your link putting your ps3 games in that order in terms of users? Its all ways excuses with you as to why the ps3 isn't doing as well as the 360.@ogvampire
LIVE Activity for week of Sept. 28th
Xbox 360 Top LIVE Titles (based onUU's)
1Halo 3
2Call of Duty 4
3Halo 3: ODST
4Call of Duty: WaW
5Gears of War 2
6Madden NFL 10 (Download the demo)
7Forza 3 Demo (Download the demo)
8GTA IV
9Left 4 Dead
10 FIFA 10 (Download the demo)Hmm, in the top 10 Halo3, cod series, gears, a demo, a 1 1/2 year old game, another 1 1/2 year old game, and madden and fiffa hmmm, so in the shooter market what do you have again? Its exactly what I said, There is literally 2 exclusives in that list.
Major Nelson
P.S.
- Socom
- Kz2
- R2
- cod4
- cod waw
- LBP
- U2 demo
- MAG beta
- Madden
All exclusives minus cod series. See how communities can be broke apart when you have alot of exclusives to go alone with the multiplates.
GreyFoXX4
You know what? Sony has spent minimal amounts of money advertising their games this gen compared to Microsoft and they're still selling well. It seems like Microsoft have been too busy spending all their money advertising their games where Sony is spending their money actually buying up all these new exclusives. I don't have a problem with that. Sony can spend all the money they want on new exclusives, I couldn't give a crap if Uncharted 2 sold only 4,000 copies as long as I get to play it. Look at Nintendo, they're making all that money on the Wii yet they're still not putting their money into buying up new exclusives... instead they take the easy route and just rehash the same stuff they've been making for decades. You'd think there'd be all these amazing new IPs on the Wii with all of the money Nintendo's raking in constantly.... but instead you have new IP's like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Cooking Mama.[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
Why? Is Sony inable to give Uncharted 2 a great ad campaign. Sony isnt poor (regardless of how poorly they are doing), they coul do Halo advertising if they wanted too. They choose not to but that doesn't get them off the hook. And I'was originally responding to TC, where it was a thread with a basis for sales.FYI, marketing makes things mainstream, not the othe way around
ActicEdge
This post has nothing to do with what I said. Do you want to stay on topic?
So you agree with my post?[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Its called logic actually. If one sold 20 million in less time than the other, then it would be safe to assume if both released at the same time then the faster selling one would be ahead.GreyFoXX4the xbox 360 probably lost a lot of sales because of it's unreliability, if it had released a year later it probably wouldn't have had those problems and would probably have sold more unit's, to come to a logical conclusion, you have to look at all possible scenerios, besides you can speculate about what could have happened all day long, it didn't happen, the ps3 is still in last place, that may change, but in the here and now it's dead last Your really pulling strings out of your butt you know that right lol. Its been 4 years and MS still hasn't fixed the 360. So you can try to twist thing anyway you want them, but the facts point to the ps3 would have been ahead of the 360 if both released at the same time. Heck I'm not even trying to say what if the ps3 was the same price, and thats the kind of strings your trying to pull lol. lol um the facts don't point to the ps3 outselling the 360 if it comes down to that scenario, Not with the fact that the gap increased after the year headstart between the 2. and thats with the systems having a high failure rate, if they had a 3% the ps3 would be dead.
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] You know what? Sony has spent minimal amounts of money advertising their games this gen compared to Microsoft and they're still selling well. It seems like Microsoft have been too busy spending all their money advertising their games where Sony is spending their money actually buying up all these new exclusives. I don't have a problem with that. Sony can spend all the money they want on new exclusives, I couldn't give a crap if Uncharted 2 sold only 4,000 copies as long as I get to play it. Look at Nintendo, they're making all that money on the Wii yet they're still not putting their money into buying up new exclusives... instead they take the easy route and just rehash the same stuff they've been making for decades. You'd think there'd be all these amazing new IPs on the Wii with all of the money Nintendo's raking in constantly.... but instead you have new IP's like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Cooking Mama.Messiahbolical-
This post has nothing to do with what I said. Do you want to stay on topic?
So you agree with my post?No, it was just non sense to me but its not the point of the topic so I'm not gonna derail the thread. Just get back on topic.
When are people going to realize that there is no Halo killer? Nothing on the PS3 is going to stop dedicated Halo users from playing Halo and as much as I'm anticipating Uncharted 2, you are insane if you think it's going come anywhere near the sales or the amount of matches played daily that Halo has. PEOPLE ARE STILL PLAYING HALO 2.
Just tossing in a few grams of common sense here.
So you agree with my post?[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
This post has nothing to do with what I said. Do you want to stay on topic?
ActicEdge
No, it was just non sense to me but its not the point of the topic so I'm not gonna derail the thread. Just get back on topic.
If my post was nonsense, then surely you wouldn't have any problem pointing out what was wrong with it or what you disagree. Come on now, do it for me. PLEASEEEEEEE?!?!?!?! :D[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] So you agree with my post?Messiahbolical-
No, it was just non sense to me but its not the point of the topic so I'm not gonna derail the thread. Just get back on topic.
If my post was nonsense, then surely you wouldn't have any problem pointing out what was wrong with it or what you disagree. Come on now, do it for me. PLEASEEEEEEE?!?!?!?! :DI would but I tend to derail topics too much so I'm not going to. Post on topic. If you want to discuss this make a thread and I'll respond there.
[QUOTE="Luigi_The_Pimp"] Killzone, Uncharted and Resistance ALL were not AAA UNTIL THE SEQUELS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DeadMagazinesI see how it works..set the bar low on the first game, don't make 'em expect much. Makes more sense now.
And on there 2nd game, its already better than majority of the games out right now.
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