Uncharted 2's graphics ain't technically impressive

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#1 IgorAntunov
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I've been a pc gamer for aeons, I bought an xbox360, wii etc. All have their positives, I finally bought a ps3 primarily in order to have a blu-ray player and also to play some of the better exclusives. I got uncharted 2 for my first ps3 exclusive game, just finished it. Here is the deal, the game uses a huge amount of pre-baked trickery, combined with awesome art direction (which includes alot of well done animation), to give an illusion of technical proficiency. It has nothing the xbox360 couldn't do, and it's a league behind something like crysis. It's biggest technical achievement is excellent anti-aliasing and smooth framerate, but seeing the engine for what it is, it comes as no surprise, the engine is not that demanding on the hardware, there are cheap shaders plastered over every texture, and lighting is used cleverly to give you something more than is actually there. Contrast the dark areas to the light filled areas, the dark areas look average and in parts mediocre. It also helps that there is a heap of variety in every scene, giving the game a refreshing look at all times. In the end this game is a big budget title polished to the nth degree and infused with a heap of developer talent, in terms of gameplay, art assets and animation. Testament to this is the lack of pop-in or any significant glitches, and the meticulous camera placement. This implies that the devs spent huge amounts of time making every scene and set-piece look as good as possible using their artistic talents, arranging the huge number of pre-baked shadows just so, using many simple light effects for maximum impact, and animating the hell out of every action by the player character and every other. This was possible because the game is so very linear and confined, but this doesn't matter because it's so well done. The AI could use some work, 40% of the time enemies would just blow themselves up with grenades. Can the 'uncharted has awezomes technical grafix better than crysis and any xbox360 game please end?' Technically, it doesn't. Artistically, it is a personal opinion. You can argue that, as can you argue that mario galaxy has the best artistic graphics. Thankyou.
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#2 Chutebox
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I agree, U2 looks absolutely outstanding.

And to add, it does look better than anything on 360 so far.

Crysis on the other hand, of course not.

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ain't ain't a word and u ain't supposed to say it

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#4 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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it also has no loading screens except the one when you start the game.

add the AA, stable frame rate and great visuals. and you got a great game on the technical side

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ain't ain't a word and u ain't supposed to say it

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Dang! Beat me to it.
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#6 Hathesulacon
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He...hes right...Any Ps3 game can be done on 360. Just use another disk. The only difference is the blu ray disks. Bigger. But idk, I played some ps3 games. I other than MGS4 being a movie/game. And a few others like that, I dont see much utilizing of the full blu ray or dual layer blu ray. But eh. Its fine.

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Can't tell if your bashing or giving ND a compliment lol. So because the devs figured out a way to make a game look great without using stressful hardware and non efficent programming theres a issue?

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#8 nhh18
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Technical aspects are what you achieve on a console. Of course it won't have crysis graphics because crysis has significant more room to obtain those graphics. So a game like uncharted 2 looking the way it does on a console is a reason why its technical graphics are marvel. It looks great has tons of geometry, has zero jaggies, and looks almost beautiful from an art direction. Would you say Donkey Kong Country technical graphics are poor because it was on the snes compared to crysis. No I think that is one of the best technical games ever made.

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#9 SaltyMeatballs
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ain't ain't a word and u ain't supposed to say it

chikenfriedrice
What the hell is "u"?
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Can't tell if your bashing or giving ND a compliment lol. So because the devs figured out a way to make a game look great without using stressful hardware and non efficent programming theres a issue?

GreyFoXX4

No he's saying on a technical level UC2 doesn't come close to crysis, because cows recently have been trying to put UC2 against crysis using alot of opinionated nonsense to justify UC2 somehow looking better.

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#11 Odrec
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I agree, U2 looks absolutely outstanding.

And to add, it does look better than anything on 360 so far.

Crysis on the other hand, of course not.

Chutebox
Pretty much this. Until we see something equivalent on the 360 we can safely say that the 360 is capable of the same thing only inside lemmings' heads.
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#12 Teuf_
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Here is the deal, the game uses a huge amount of pre-baked trickery, combined with awesome art direction (which includes alot of well done animation), to give an illusion of technical proficiency. IgorAntunov


A big part of making a game look good is figuring out what you can back offline, and making it blend seamlessly with the dynamic stuff. It's incredibly complicated work that is no way less "technical" than a game that decides to brute force these things, or uses crude approximations so that they can be performed in real-time.


It's biggest technical achievement is excellent anti-aliasing and smooth framerate, but seeing the engine for what it is, it comes as no surprise, the engine is not that demanding on the hardwareIgorAntunov


LMAO. They make the best-looking game on the console, and somehow it isn't "demanding on the hardware". I'd like to see what ND could do if they decided to actually make use of the hardware. :D


there are cheap shaders plastered over every texture.IgorAntunov


Well you don't "plaster" shaders on textures, but let's ignore that for now. I presume you have access to Naught Dog's compiled shaders and you've run them through NVShaderPerf to get the cycle counts, and this is how you've determined that they're "cheap"?

Not that a "cheap" shader is a bad thing...most graphics programmers will want to get the best visual results from the cheapest shaders possible. It doesn't boost anyone's ego to have some super-long shader that takes forever to execute.

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#13 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

ain't ain't a word and u ain't supposed to say it

SaltyMeatballs
What the hell is "u"?

It's a letter, silly.
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#14 Whiteknight19
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i dunno its tough on what the 360 can and can not do the 360's gpu can only stretch as far as it can 4 there where the ps3 cpu is pretty much more powerful the the 360's gpu and cpu it can create more effects cos no developer has not even used the full potential of the cpu let alone the gpu so i believe we still have got to c what the ps3 is capable off

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#15 nhh18
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

Can't tell if your bashing or giving ND a compliment lol. So because the devs figured out a way to make a game look great without using stressful hardware and non efficent programming theres a issue?

Espada12

No he's saying on a technical level UC2 doesn't come close to crysis, because cows recently have been trying to put UC2 against crysis using alot of opinionated nonsense to justify UC2 somehow looking better.

Crysis has some of the worst coding. It surprised me how people are in awe with the game seeing how the pc requirements to run the game decreases 1/4 when Crysis wars comes out. Doom 3 is still probably the most technically impressive game ever made. Does this mean Arma 2 and Empire Total war are now 2 of the most technical games outthere because they are poorly optimized and look like complete junk on most computers?

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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

ain't ain't a word and u ain't supposed to say it

SaltyMeatballs

What the hell is "u"?

u kno

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#17 -Sir-Poof-
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I agree, U2 looks absolutely outstanding.

And to add, it does look better than anything on 360 so far.

Crysis on the other hand, of course not.

Chutebox

An excellent post, from an excellent poster.

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It looks good. Some of the textures are awful though and really take you out of the experience.
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#21 jalexbrown
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It looks good on a 5 year old GPU. The developers did a nice job with such limited hardware. The jaggie fest in the game is a nightmare, however.

farrell2k
You must be one of the biggest PS3-haters in SW. Every time anyone pops up wanting to give credit to the PS3 for anything, you decide that we just can't have that and proceed to try and discredit anyone who wants to give the PS3 a shred of praise. Why is that?
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#22 Chutebox
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It looks good on a 5 year old GPU. The developers did a nice job with such limited hardware. The jaggie fest in the game is a nightmare, however.

farrell2k
Jagfest in Uncharted 2?
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No its not an issue but it doesn't prove the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, just that ND did an insane job on that game. TOAO_Cyrus1

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft's developers won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"] ain't ain't a word and u ain't supposed to say it

What the hell is "u"?

I do believe it is the opposite of n ...*postulates*
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#25 nhh18
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[QUOTE="farrell2k"]

It looks good on a 5 year old GPU. The developers did a nice job with such limited hardware. The jaggie fest in the game is a nightmare, however.

jalexbrown

You must be one of the biggest PS3-haters in SW. Every time anyone pops up wanting to give credit to the PS3 for anything, you decide that we just can't have that and proceed to try and discredit anyone who wants to give the PS3 a shred of praise. Why is that?

Why do you care? There are tons of worse people on this board. Xbox 360 fanboys and ps3 fanboys included. There are level 30 and troll the other console constantly.

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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]No its not an issue but it doesn't prove the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, just that ND did an insane job on that game. garland51

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

Huh?

And you can't guarantee anything since you don't work on either platforms or know how either work.

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#27 sayonara89
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Tech Analysis: Uncharted 2

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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]No its not an issue but it doesn't prove the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, just that ND did an insane job on that game. garland51

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft's developers won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

What are you saying? You shouldn't give credit to developer who achieved the technical graphics but the hardware itself. So a game like RFOM 1 is technically the same as Uncharted 2.

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#29 IgorAntunov
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Just to clarify, when I say technical I mean using many complex, high-end graphical effects dependent on current gen hardware to achieve awesome imagery. Crysis does that. Uncharted doesn't do that, it uses standard last gen (by pc standards) directx 9-esque graphical effects combined with very clever visual direction to give an illusion of more than meets the eye. Which is why i know it can be done on the Xbox360 with some modification, and a couple of dvd's.
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#30 15strong
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Whats up with all this technical crap. If it looks good, it looks good.

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#31 IgorAntunov
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Whats up with all this technical crap. If it looks good, it looks good.

15strong
It's mainly to quell the misguided fanboy mantra that uncharted 2 can't be done on xbox360 or that it is comparable to crysis graphically. Having said that, artistically, it's comparable to michalengelo. Almost flawless.
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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]No its not an issue but it doesn't prove the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, just that ND did an insane job on that game. garland51

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft's developers won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

Halo 3 - 300 people, 3 years, 30mln $

Uncharted DF - 2 years, 20mln &

So much for your theory.

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[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]No its not an issue but it doesn't prove the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, just that ND did an insane job on that game. sayonara89

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft's developers won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

Halo 3 - 300 people, 3 years, 30mln $

Uncharted DF - 2 years, 20mln &

So much for your theory.

Lol, nice!
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Just to clarify, when I say technical I mean using many complex, high-end graphical effects dependent on current gen hardware to achieve awesome imagery. Crysis does that. Uncharted doesn't do that, it uses standard last gen (by pc standards) directx 9-esque graphical effects combined with very clever visual direction to give an illusion of more than meets the eye. Which is why i know it can be done on the Xbox360 with some modification, and a couple of dvd's.IgorAntunov
And you are... programer, developer, fanboy?
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Even though the game looks outstanding, the characters' teeth bothered me for some reason. I don't know why.
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="farrell2k"]

It looks good on a 5 year old GPU. The developers did a nice job with such limited hardware. The jaggie fest in the game is a nightmare, however.

farrell2k

You must be one of the biggest PS3-haters in SW. Every time anyone pops up wanting to give credit to the PS3 for anything, you decide that we just can't have that and proceed to try and discredit anyone who wants to give the PS3 a shred of praise. Why is that?

I see you're STILL not making sense in your replies to me. Every single time you reply, I get more confused. I am not discrediting anyone. As I already wrote, the game looks good for such limited hardware. Play the game on a good TV and you'll see the jaggies on things with no AA. They look bad. If you're going to reply, please make sense.

It has 4x AA making it virtually cleanest game this generation.

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Whats up with all this technical crap. If it looks good, it looks good.

15strong

but not as good as crysis.

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#39 789shadow
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Huh? It's definitely technically impressive....just not the most so.

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[QUOTE="15strong"]

Whats up with all this technical crap. If it looks good, it looks good.

malikmmm

but 100 times worst than Crysis.

Way to hyperbolize.

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#41 IgorAntunov
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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft's developers won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

Chutebox

Halo 3 - 300 people, 3 years, 30mln $

Uncharted DF - 2 years, 20mln &

So much for your theory.

Lol, nice!

Was it the same dev team? Thought not. Point not proven. Talent is not somthing you generate with cash and time.
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

ain't ain't a word and u ain't supposed to say it

chikenfriedrice

What the hell is "u"?

u kno

I does not no.
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#43 malikmmm
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[QUOTE="malikmmm"][QUOTE="15strong"]

Whats up with all this technical crap. If it looks good, it looks good.

789shadow

but 100 times worst than Crysis.

Way to hyperbolize.

I dont wear glasses.

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[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]No its not an issue but it doesn't prove the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, just that ND did an insane job on that game. sayonara89

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft's developers won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

Halo 3 - 300 people, 3 years, 30mln $

Uncharted DF - 2 years, 20mln &

So much for your theory.

At least Halo 3 did prove that it's the better game judging by greater sales alone in far less time than either Uncharted 1 or 2 did.

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Even though the game looks outstanding, the characters' teeth bothered me for some reason. I don't know why.SpiritOfFire117
i have to say the eyes look wrong for me other than that the game looks good
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#46 IgorAntunov
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[QUOTE="IgorAntunov"]Just to clarify, when I say technical I mean using many complex, high-end graphical effects dependent on current gen hardware to achieve awesome imagery. Crysis does that. Uncharted doesn't do that, it uses standard last gen (by pc standards) directx 9-esque graphical effects combined with very clever visual direction to give an illusion of more than meets the eye. Which is why i know it can be done on the Xbox360 with some modification, and a couple of dvd's.sayonara89
And you are... programer, developer, fanboy?

2nd year computer science university student, majoring in entertainment (games).
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#47 sayonara89
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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Exactly. It has something to do within the talent of developers, not the hardware inside the PS3 itself. The only reason why we haven't seen such graphics like that on the 360 is because Microsoft's developers won't put in the time, energy, money, etc. to achieve those kind of graphics. While there aren't many 1st/2nd party games on the 360 that doesn't come close to UC2 graphically, they do indeed have a lot more talent unlike most of PS3's exclusives, & that's all that counts. And Cows can say whatever they like about it & twist it all around if they want to.

Give it the same kind of development time, & money, & I guarantee you that they'll come out to be the same on the 360.

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Halo 3 - 300 people, 3 years, 30mln $

Uncharted DF - 2 years, 20mln &

So much for your theory.

At least Halo 3 did prove that it's the better game judging by sales alone in far less time than either Uncharted 1 or 2 did.

Sales = quality? Halo 3 is owned by Wii games.
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#48 nhh18
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halo 3 cost 80 million dollars (50 million advertisement, 30 million development). I doubt uncharted 2 among thieves didn't include the marketing seeing how if it didn't you are seeing the most expensive paid developers ever (all of them being paid more than 150k including artists).

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#49 dmaximum
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Tech Analysis: Uncharted 2

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#50 Shinobi120
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[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

Halo 3 - 300 people, 3 years, 30mln $

Uncharted DF - 2 years, 20mln &

So much for your theory.

sayonara89

At least Halo 3 did prove that it's the better game judging by greater sales alone in far less time than either Uncharted 1 or 2 did.

Sales = quality? Halo 3 is owned by Wii games.

By what? Wii Fit? I can understand games like Metroid, Zelda, & Mario.