Uncharted 2's graphics ain't technically impressive

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[QUOTE="sayonara89"][QUOTE=ot;IgorAntunov"]Just to clarify, when I say technical I mean using many complex, high-end graphical effects dependent on current gen hardware to achieve awesome imagery. Crysis does that. Uncharted doesn't do that, it uses standard last gen (by pc standards) directx 9-esque graphical effects combined with very clever visual direction to give an illusion of more than meets the eye. Which is why i know it can be done on the Xbox360 with some modification, and a couple of dvd's.IgorAntunov

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

Tech Analysis: Uncharted 2

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This is nice too:

"HDR lighting
triple buffering
deferred lighting
motion blur per object
adjustable depth of field
SSAO
physics enabled particle effect
procedural texture
high quality multi texture
high complexity in geometry
high res shadows
animation blending

All in 1280 x 720 res with 2 x MSAA at steady 30fps


U2's most impressive visuals were achieved by combined strength of techs being used. In tech wise there's just nothing like it. "

[QUOTE="sayonara89"][QUOTE="garland51"]

At least Halo 3 did prove that it's the better game judging by greater sales alone in far less time than either Uncharted 1 or 2 did.

garland51

By what? Wii Fit? I can understand games like Metroid, Zelda, & Mario.

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[QUOTE="sayonara89"] Sales = quality? Halo 3 is owned by Wii games.Odrec

By what? Wii Fit? I can understand games like Metroid, Zelda, & Mario.

It's all about talent, & that's what Halo 3 had, which is why everyone was tuning in on it as well as the ODST expansion.

Wii Fit isn't even a real game, more like an excerising game. That's "quality?"

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="garland51"]

By what? Wii Fit? I can understand games like Metroid, Zelda, & Mario.

garland51

It's all about talent, & that's what Halo 3 had, which is why everyone was tuning in on it as well as the ODST expansion.

Wii Fit isn't even a real game, more like an excerising game. That's "quality?"

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="garland51"]

By what? Wii Fit? I can understand games like Metroid, Zelda, & Mario.

garland51

It's all about talent, & that's what Halo 3 had, which is why everyone was tuning in on it as well as the ODST expansion.

Wii Fit isn't even a real game, more like an excerising game. That's "quality?"

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="garland51"]

By what? Wii Fit? I can understand games like Metroid, Zelda, & Mario.

garland51

It's all about talent, & that's what Halo 3 had, which is why everyone was tuning in on it as well as the ODST expansion.

Wii Fit isn't even a real game, more like an excerising game. That's "quality?"

Last gen, you mean PS2, Xbox, Gamecube? Or DX9 kind of effects, like:

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"] So for Halo it works but not for Wii Fit. Stop kidding yourself quality =/= sells.Odrec

It's all about talent, & that's what Halo 3 had, which is why everyone was tuning in on it as well as the ODST expansion.

Wii Fit isn't even a real game, more like an excerising game. That's "quality?"

I just don't want to lie here. Frankly, I don't care about how many awards that UC2 has gotten; they had the awards mostly for the so-called "better graphics." There are even games out there that are far better than UC2 in graphics, like Crysis. Plus there are others that are better than UC2 in gameplay.

'Tech Analysis: Uncharted 2' Proves my point. All standard last gen hardware effects. No magic effects being derived from the cell broadband engine.IgorAntunov

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="garland51"]

It's all about talent, & that's what Halo 3 had, which is why everyone was tuning in on it as well as the ODST expansion.

Wii Fit isn't even a real game, more like an excerising game. That's "quality?"

garland51

I just don't want to lie here. Frankly, I don't care about how many awards that UC2 has gotten; they had the awards mostly for the so-called "better graphics." There are even games out there that are far better than UC2 in graphics, like Crysis. Plus there are others that are better than UC2 in gameplay.

And what are you trying to do mr. IgorAntunov? Game looks great, game is technicaly grat, it's not Crysis level but without a doubt the best looking console game to date. My coclusion is that yo're just another sad xbox fanboy who is angry on Bungie for Reach screenshots :P

sayonara89

[QUOTE="sayonara89"][QUOTE="IgorAntunov"]Just to clarify, when I say technical I mean using many complex, high-end graphical effects dependent on current gen hardware to achieve awesome imagery. Crysis does that. Uncharted doesn't do that, it uses standard last gen (by pc standards) directx 9-esque graphical effects combined with very clever visual direction to give an illusion of more than meets the eye. Which is why i know it can be done on the Xbox360 with some modification, and a couple of dvd's.IgorAntunov

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="farrell2k"]

It looks good on a 5 year old GPU. The developers did a nice job with such limited hardware. The jaggie fest in the game is a nightmare, however.

farrell2k

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"] Quality is, according to you, those which sell well since UC2 scored better and won more awards than Halo 3 could ever imagine you choose to use sells to say which is better. Of course we all know using sells is not a good measure as evidenced by somehting like Wii Fit but your damage controlling is still amusing.Odrec

I just don't want to lie here. Frankly, I don't care about how many awards that UC2 has gotten; they had the awards mostly for the so-called "better graphics." There are even games out there that are far better than UC2 in graphics, like Crysis. Plus there are others that are better than UC2 in gameplay.

Don't get me wrong, They have many great awards out there, but it's pretty much been overhyped as "the greatest game ever." What do people see in it?

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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

Can't tell if your bashing or giving ND a compliment lol. So because the devs figured out a way to make a game look great without using stressful hardware and non efficent programming theres a issue?

No he's saying on a technical level UC2 doesn't come close to crysis, because cows recently have been trying to put UC2 against crysis using alot of opinionated nonsense to justify UC2 somehow looking better.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

No he's saying on a technical level UC2 doesn't come close to crysis, because cows recently have been trying to put UC2 against crysis using alot of opinionated nonsense to justify UC2 somehow looking better.

ronvalencia

You are completely right.Some of them might not accept it but that is the FACT!Now not only is that game linear and has very few of enemies on screen but you should take a closer look at NDs "cheating".Basically you see what ND wants you to see.For example there are alot of times where you need help for climbing,that might seem its for gameplay,but that is not.System didnt render next scene,so when you are wasting time climbing it renders a scene.

Its really shame when people compare Uncharted 2 with Crysis...Crysis is the game whare what you see you get,you can go everywhere,but Uncharted 2 is heavily scripted and linear.Not to take anything from U2...its to me best looking console game and one of the best game this gen,but fact is there is not enough power in neither of this consoles to achieve that kind of graphics in game like Crysis...Stalker or Halo,that is why Reach wont be on U2 level...

Just to clarify, when I say technical I mean using many complex, high-end graphical effects dependent on current gen hardware to achieve awesome imagery. Crysis does that. Uncharted doesn't do that, it uses standard last gen (by pc standards) directx 9-esque graphical effects combined with very clever visual direction to give an illusion of more than meets the eye. Which is why i know it can be done on the Xbox360 with some modification, and a couple of dvd's. IgorAntunov

Refer to http://www.crytek.com/fileadmin/user_upload/inside/presentations/2009/Light_Propagation_Volumes.pdf

With CryEngine 3, note the "NVIDIA 7-series" in page 3. "NVIDIA 7-series" = NVIDIA Geforce 7 series, which includes RSX.

[QUOTE="IgorAntunov"]Having played with the crysis editor extensively, I can say that the engine is elegantly coded, and has so much going on behind the scenes it's not funny, whats more it is easily expandable which is why us mere mortals have been able to make crysis look way better than the retail release with a few minor tweaks, in order to accomodate every more powerful gpu's. Every leaf in crysis has physical properties. I noticed uncharted 2 had some plastic bushes which you could manipulate physically, lol nice try.killzowned24

Yes it has sometimes dumb ai...but Uncharted 2 doesn't even have to use cpu cycles for a.i...its very cpu forgiving...that is why the game could use spus heavily for graphics rendering.

[QUOTE="IgorAntunov"]Having played with the crysis editor extensively, I can say that the engine is elegantly coded, and has so much going on behind the scenes it's not funny, whats more it is easily expandable which is why us mere mortals have been able to make crysis look way better than the retail release with a few minor tweaks, in order to accomodate every more powerful gpu's. Every leaf in crysis has physical properties. I noticed uncharted 2 had some plastic bushes which you could manipulate physically, lol nice try.killzowned24

And what are you trying to do mr. IgorAntunov? Game looks great, game is technicaly grat, it's not Crysis level but without a doubt the best looking console game to date. My coclusion is that yo're just another sad xbox fanboy who is angry on Bungie for Reach screenshots :P

sayonara89

You are wrong,you really are.Uncharted 2 could be done on 360 with less time and money,and look exactly the same :)

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="IgorAntunov"]Having played with the crysis editor extensively, I can say that the engine is elegantly coded, and has so much going on behind the scenes it's not funny, whats more it is easily expandable which is why us mere mortals have been able to make crysis look way better than the retail release with a few minor tweaks, in order to accomodate every more powerful gpu's. Every leaf in crysis has physical properties. I noticed uncharted 2 had some plastic bushes which you could manipulate physically, lol nice try.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

And what are you trying to do mr. IgorAntunov? Game looks great, game is technicaly grat, it's not Crysis level but without a doubt the best looking console game to date. My coclusion is that yo're just another sad xbox fanboy who is angry on Bungie for Reach screenshots :P

Bus-A-Bus

You are wrong,you really are.Uncharted 2 could be done on 360 with less time and money,and look exactly the same :)

you do know that just saying something doesn't make it true..... right?

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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

And what are you trying to do mr. IgorAntunov? Game looks great, game is technicaly grat, it's not Crysis level but without a doubt the best looking console game to date. My coclusion is that yo're just another sad xbox fanboy who is angry on Bungie for Reach screenshots :P

z4twenny

You are wrong,you really are.Uncharted 2 could be done on 360 with less time and money,and look exactly the same :)

you do know that just saying something doesn't make it true..... right?

Yes i know but you do know that 90% of fanboys(especially cows)cant tell a difference between gpu and cpu,but they still can say that ps3 is vastly superior then 360,but that doesn't make it truth...

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] crysis also has terrible ai that cant even climb a ladder. killzowned24

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Uncharted 2 has a part time SSAO.ronvalencia

He...hes right...Any Ps3 game can be done on 360. Just use another disk. The only difference is the blu ray disks. Bigger. But idk, I played some ps3 games. I other than MGS4 being a movie/game. And a few others like that, I dont see much utilizing of the full blu ray or dual layer blu ray. But eh. Its fine.

Hathesulacon

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

Can't tell if your bashing or giving ND a compliment lol. So because the devs figured out a way to make a game look great without using stressful hardware and non efficent programming theres a issue?

nhh18

No he's saying on a technical level UC2 doesn't come close to crysis, because cows recently have been trying to put UC2 against crysis using alot of opinionated nonsense to justify UC2 somehow looking better.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="farrell2k"]

It looks good on a 5 year old GPU. The developers did a nice job with such limited hardware. The jaggie fest in the game is a nightmare, however.

farrell2k

"The AI could use some work, 40% of the time enemies would just blow themselves up with grenades."

Wtf?

This never happened to me, and yes it is technically impressive, especially for a 5 year old GPU with 256MB of RAM.

[QUOTE="farrell2k"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] You must be one of the biggest PS3-haters in SW. Every time anyone pops up wanting to give credit to the PS3 for anything, you decide that we just can't have that and proceed to try and discredit anyone who wants to give the PS3 a shred of praise. Why is that?jalexbrown

Its limited,just like x360...if it wasnt limited we would see open world games that look like uncharted 2,but we wont...Everything about those consoles screams OUTDATED...512 mb of ram...even less bcs OS...gpus that are low range this gen...and cpus that basically are only thing that is not laughable but outdated still :lol: though consoles are great even outdated...

nuff said..