Uncharted 3 - Console GRAPHICS KING (56k)

but from someone who has bothdvalo9

Weird, your sig says otherwise.

I allways love how ppl use the terms 'much better', 'out of the water', 'cant compare', 'destroys', etc... when talking about similar games running on similar tech :D

System wars at it´s best hehehe

PAL360

Actually much better is not even close to the destroy comment some use,to describe both games,yes i have 360 fans use the term.

The textures are much better,but in water and fire effects Uncharted 3 actually destroy Gears 3,i posted a video of how crappy the fire in Gears 3 is,is actually compose of spinning textures,that is a joke spinning textures to simulate fire on a console so capable as the 360.?

The water look like a pransparent glase,if you want i can post a video,you walk over it and it has no reaction,you shoot at it again to no reaction,things like this is what make Gears 3 less impressive that Uncharted 3,which water and fire effects rival PC games,how can that be possible with the PS3 having such a weak GPU.

The xbox 360 and PS3 may have similar tech,but the PS3 CPU is way better for graphics and physics than the 360 one,and some of you just don't want to see it,Cell can even ray trace,something you will not see on the xbox 360 CPU.

Sony desmotrated for the first time that a CPU is just as important or more than a GPU.

Supposedly, Gears 3, was to be more colorful. Maybe they moved a bit in that direction, but it doesn't feel enough. Which do you prefer (be honest):

This is stupid. They both have moments that look better than the other.

Anyone saying that either one looks "miles better" than the other should be insta-banned.

You're all giving lemmings and cows a bad name.

balfe1990

There is not a single part in Gears that surpass the level of detail,animation,physics,lighting and effects on the cruise,and that is basically 1 stage,there more impressive ones.

Why should people need to be instant ban for speaking the truth,the level of detail in Uncharted 3 surpass gears,if you don't want to admit it is ok,your opinion should be respected,but mine should be respected as much as yours.

I could say the same any one who think Uncharted 3 look worst or on par with gears need to be instant ban,but that would be a joke.

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

UC3 >>>>>>> gears 3 in the graphics department. there is nothing to debate. whoever says gears 3 looks better is just being biased

loosingENDS

From pics posted here though, Gears 3 looks leaps ahead

your an xbox fanboy lol no-one is gonna believe you face it uncharted 3 looks better then gears 3, hell uncharted 2 and 1 looks better then gears 3

Supposedly, Gears 3, was to be more colorful. Maybe they moved a bit in that direction, but it doesn't feel enough. Which do you prefer (be honest):

KiZZo1

Gears 3 is definitely colourful. The later levels rival UC2 for their vibrancy.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

UC3 >>>>>>> gears 3 in the graphics department. there is nothing to debate. whoever says gears 3 looks better is just being biased

Pokemon266

From pics posted here though, Gears 3 looks leaps ahead

your an xbox fanboy lol no-one is gonna believe you face it uncharted 3 looks better then gears 3, hell uncharted 2 and 1 looks better then gears 3

IRONIC.

Supposedly, Gears 3, was to be more colorful. Maybe they moved a bit in that direction, but it doesn't feel enough. Which do you prefer (be honest):

KiZZo1

One of the things you can easy see on those 2 screens is the weak shadowing,shadows are almost non existent there.

There is not a single part in Gears that surpass the level of detail,animation,physics,lighting and effects on the cruise,and that is basically 1 stage,there more impressive ones.

Why should people need to be instant ban for speaking the truth,the level of detail in Uncharted 3 surpass gears,if you don't want to admit it is ok,your opinion should be respected,but mine should be respected as much as yours.

I could say the same any one who think Uncharted 3 look worst or on par with gears need to be instant ban,but that would be a joke.

tormentos

I don't care which one looks better. It's the fact that people think they're worlds apart bothers me. Throw in any PC game into the equation and both sides will shut the hell up.

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

Supposedly, Gears 3, was to be more colorful. Maybe they moved a bit in that direction, but it doesn't feel enough. Which do you prefer (be honest):

tormentos

One of the things you can easy see on those 2 screens is the weak shadowing,shadows are almost non existent there.

Alright, I didn't want to be drawn into one of these arguments but to say Gears 3 has bad shadows? Plain wrong, and no, opinions don't factor into this.

[QUOTE="dvalo9"]but from someone who has bothwaltefmoney

Weird, your sig says otherwise.

still think Gears3 looks better

UC3 >>>>>>> gears 3 in the graphics department. there is nothing to debate. whoever says gears 3 looks better is just being hostile

planbfreak4eva

sand looks very nice, everything else is worse than Half life 2

i like you TC

no bullshots, no cutscenes

now UC looks worse than a 2004 game without smoke and mirrors, thanks for posting this, since all other "Console graphics king" threads are full of bullshots and cutscenes

Its 2011 man. What game developers have achieve with 2005 era hardware is really astonishing. I doubt there will be undisputed graphics king on consoles. witcher 2,Rage,Crysis 2,BF3,Gears 3,UC3 looks amazingly beautiful. In the end its just a matter of your own choice.For me-

Lighting- Crysis 2

Texture-Witcer 2,BF3(pc), Metro 2033(a bit inconsistent)

Animation-Rage,Portal 2,UC3

Water-UC3(best even including pc), Crysis 2

Explosion,fire- BF3,Gears 3, MW3(yes it has some nice explosion effect)

Sky- I know its weird but Rage's sky looks BEAUTIFUL.

Art- Witcer 2

mehrabx

Water goes to Crysis 2 DX11, Uncharted 3 doesnt even come close

Its 2011 man. What game developers have achieve with 2005 era hardware is really astonishing. I doubt there will be undisputed graphics king on consoles. witcher 2,Rage,Crysis 2,BF3,Gears 3,UC3 looks amazingly beautiful. In the end its just a matter of your own choice.For me-

Lighting- Crysis 2

Texture-Witcer 2,BF3(pc), Metro 2033(a bit inconsistent)

Animation-Rage,Portal 2,UC3

Water-UC3(best even including pc), Crysis 2

Explosion,fire- BF3,Gears 3, MW3(yes it has some nice explosion effect)

Sky- I know its weird but Rage's sky looks BEAUTIFUL.

Art- Witcer 2

mehrabx

I don't care which one looks better. It's the fact that people think they're worlds apart bothers me. Throw in any PC game into the equation and both sides will shut the hell up.

balfe1990

Yeah brining PC games will shut every one,lol how many times that has been done,PC are PC they are on another level and get new hardware each and every year,is not like the next advance in graphics on PC will be made 7 years from now,PC is contantly evolving is a different market.

A console with the resources of todays top of the line PC will not have now on the hands of Naughty Dog will result on better than PC graphics,consoles don't need to run bloated OS that require tons of memory to work efficiently.

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

UC3 >>>>>>> gears 3 in the graphics department. there is nothing to debate. whoever says gears 3 looks better is just being biased

loosingENDS

From pics posted here though, Gears 3 looks leaps ahead

Alright, I didn't want to be drawn into one of these arguments but to say Gears 3 has bad shadows? Plain wrong, and no, opinions don't factor into this.

balfe1990

No what i actually say and is there,is that from the 2 screen he posted it showed how weak the shadows were,in fact in those screens is almost non existent,look at the screens,so the game shadows are not consisten in all the game.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

I don't care which one looks better. It's the fact that people think they're worlds apart bothers me. Throw in any PC game into the equation and both sides will shut the hell up.

tormentos

Yeah brining PC games will shut every one,lol how many times that has been done,PC are PC they are on another level and get new hardware each and every year,is not like the next advance in graphics on PC will be made 7 years from now,PC is contantly evolving is a different market.

A console with the resources of todays top of the line PC will not have now on the hands of Naughty Dog will result on better than PC graphics,consoles don't need to run bloated OS that require tons of memory to work efficiently.

PC has virtual memory (i.e. sleeping programs page to hard disk) and DX10 3DC+/DX11 BC6(HDR)/DX11 BC7(LDR) hardware texture compression formats.

Xbox 360 only has 3DC+ while PS3 only has older DX9c era hardware texture compression formats.

The new hardware texture compression formats optimizes memory usage and bandwidth.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

I don't care which one looks better. It's the fact that people think they're worlds apart bothers me. Throw in any PC game into the equation and both sides will shut the hell up.

tormentos

Yeah brining PC games will shut every one,lol how many times that has been done,PC are PC they are on another level and get new hardware each and every year,is not like the next advance in graphics on PC will be made 7 years from now,PC is contantly evolving is a different market.

A console with the resources of todays top of the line PC will not have now on the hands of Naughty Dog will result on better than PC graphics,consoles don't need to run bloated OS that require tons of memory to work efficiently.

If you dont own both games then you shouldnt be able to post which one you thinks looks better. I have both and I honestly couldnt tell you but I will say that gears 3 has bigger improvements over gears 2 but uncharted is pretty much the same which isnt a bad thing since uncharted 2 was console graphics king IMO.

Please do not embarrass yourself anymore. Leave the PC stuff to people who actually know what they are talking about. Oh look an 8600gt running Dead Space at higher settings than consoles. ...But wait....an 8600gt is weaker than a 7800GTX.

RyviusARC

8600 GT is faster than 7800 GTX in complex shader programs.

7800 GTX still has superior ROPs (raster operations) i.e. greater than 8 ROP units. NVIDIA RSX only has 8 ROP units and shader clock speed like Geforce 7900M GTX i.e. 500 Mhz.

Geforce 7900M GTX

Geforce 8600M GT

In Crysis 1 PC GPU benchmark at medium details, 8600M GT with GDDR2 (20 FPS) beats 7900M GTX (17 FPS). My dead** ASUS G1S laptop has a faster 8600M GT with GDDR3.

Due to RSX's common G7X design flaws,PS3 needs to use 6 SPEs.

**Dead 8600M GT GPU due to bump gate. ASUS has exchanged the mainboard with ASUS G1Sn's mainboard i.e. includes Geforce 9500M GS (revised 8600M GT core). Some luckly ASUS G1S owners has a free upgrade to ASUS G50 i.e.ASUSrunout of ASUS G1Sn mainboard stock.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

Alright, I didn't want to be drawn into one of these arguments but to say Gears 3 has bad shadows? Plain wrong, and no, opinions don't factor into this.

tormentos

No what i actually say and is there,is that from the 2 screen he posted it showed how weak the shadows were,in fact in those screens is almost non existent,look at the screens,so the game shadows are not consisten in all the game.

i like you TC

no bullshots, no cutscenes

now UC looks worse than a 2004 game without smoke and mirrors, thanks for posting this, since all other "Console graphics king" threads are full of bullshots and cutscenes

HaloinventedFPS

What 2004 game look better than Uncharted 3.?

Hell the best GPU of that time was what the 6800 Ultra a far inferior GPU to the RSX.?

Can you elaborate? I see plenty of shadowing in that picture.ferret-gamer

Can you elaborate where you see them.?

Look at teh characters that are far away,the the light source of the sun,is coming from where the far one are,and yet you see the character has no shadows,the rocks had no shadows,and no rays of light actually enter on the middle.

Those screen are sad,i don't know if they are bad captures but they are.

Oh come on, we are still on this?

If you dont own both games then you shouldnt be able to post which one you thinks looks better. I have both and I honestly couldnt tell you but I will say that gears 3 has bigger improvements over gears 2 but uncharted is pretty much the same which isnt a bad thing since uncharted 2 was console graphics king IMO.

gamespot4life

I actually have both and Gears 3 is a step down in character and enemy details,the fire is compose of spinning textures,and the water effect are a down right joke,Uncharted 3 has superior lighting physics,water and fire effects that Uncharted 2,is quite easy to notice,textures also look better than on Gears 3,and the animation is also superior in Uncharted 3,there is little to nothing that Gears does better.

This never gets old :roll:

Anyway, visually, even Zelda SS > UC3 sooo, just sayin. :twisted:

This never gets old :roll:

Anyway, visually, even Zelda SS > UC3 sooo, just sayin. :twisted:

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This never gets old :roll:

Anyway, visually, even Zelda SS > UC3 sooo, just sayin. :twisted:

Animal-Mother

:P

PC has virtual memory (i.e. sleeping programs page to hard disk) and DX10 3DC+/DX11 BC6(HDR)/DX11 BC7(LDR) hardware texture compression formats.

Xbox 360 only has 3DC+ while PS3 only has older DX9c era hardware texture compression formats.

The new hardware texture compression formats optimizes memory usage and bandwidth.

ronvalencia

Yes it has.

But is funny how 5 or 6 years ago,2GB of memory was consider allot,now is consider low,and you see this system with 4GB minimun most of the time,ram is always need it is the main reason why virtual memory page and put programs to sleep,working windows 7 with 256 MB is not a pretty thing if it even possible.

uncharted 3 is the best looking console game imo both in a technical aspect and art direction

Question?

A...a....AM I allowed to love both franchises? Or should I leave quickly out the back?

Both look great! Why sit here and squabble over which one might look better? If we were discussing a multiplat, it would make more sense, as we could actually get an answer, instead of this schoolyard "debate"..... "mine looks better"... "nuh uh..... mine does"... "NO... MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD"

grow up people.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Can you elaborate? I see plenty of shadowing in that picture.tormentos

Can you elaborate where you see them.?

Look at teh characters that are far away,the the light source of the sun,is coming from where the far one are,and yet you see the character has no shadows,the rocks had no shadows,and no rays of light actually enter on the middle.

Those screen are sad,i don't know if they are bad captures but they are.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

PC has virtual memory (i.e. sleeping programs page to hard disk) and DX10 3DC+/DX11 BC6(HDR)/DX11 BC7(LDR) hardware texture compression formats.

Xbox 360 only has 3DC+ while PS3 only has older DX9c era hardware texture compression formats.

The new hardware texture compression formats optimizes memory usage and bandwidth.

Yes it has.

But is funny how 5 or 6 years ago,2GB of memory was consider allot,now is consider low,and you see this system with 4GB minimun most of the time,ram is always need it is the main reason why virtual memory page and put programs to sleep,working windows 7 with 256 MB is not a pretty thing if it even possible.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

Please do not embarrass yourself anymore. Leave the PC stuff to people who actually know what they are talking about. Oh look an 8600gt running Dead Space at higher settings than consoles. ...But wait....an 8600gt is weaker than a 7800GTX.

ronvalencia

8600 GT is faster than 7800 GTX in complex shader programs.

7800 GTX still has superior ROPs (raster operations) i.e. greater than 8 ROP units. NVIDIA RSX only has 8 ROP units and shader clock speed like Geforce 7900M GTX i.e. 500 Mhz.

Geforce 7900M GTX

Geforce 8600M GT

In Crysis 1 PC GPU benchmark at medium details, 8600M GT with GDDR2 (20 FPS) beats 7900M GTX (17 FPS). My dead** ASUS G1S laptop has a faster 8600M GT with GDDR3.

Due to RSX's common G7X design flaws,PS3 needs to use 6 SPEs.

**Dead 8600M GT GPU due to bump gate. ASUS has exchanged the mainboard with ASUS G1Sn's mainboard i.e. includes Geforce 9500M GS (revised 8600M GT core). Some luckly ASUS G1S owners has a free upgrade to ASUS G50 i.e.ASUSrunout of ASUS G1Sn mainboard stock.

Light bounces, shadows soften, stuff is illuminated by indirect lighting. Shadows aren't just a black sheet you lay over everything. Gears 3 uses a Global Illumination system called lightmass.

ferret-gamer

NO all you see is dark places,the characters had not shadow and on that angle they should dude is pretty easy to see.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

i like you TC

no bullshots, no cutscenes

now UC looks worse than a 2004 game without smoke and mirrors, thanks for posting this, since all other "Console graphics king" threads are full of bullshots and cutscenes

tormentos

What 2004 game look better than Uncharted 3.?

Hell the best GPU of that time was what the 6800 Ultra a far inferior GPU to the RSX.?

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

Please do not embarrass yourself anymore. Leave the PC stuff to people who actually know what they are talking about. Oh look an 8600gt running Dead Space at higher settings than consoles. ...But wait....an 8600gt is weaker than a 7800GTX.

RyviusARC

8600 GT is faster than 7800 GTX in complex shader programs.

7800 GTX still has superior ROPs (raster operations) i.e. greater than 8 ROP units. NVIDIA RSX only has 8 ROP units and shader clock speed like Geforce 7900M GTX i.e. 500 Mhz.

Geforce 7900M GTX

Geforce 8600M GT

In Crysis 1 PC GPU benchmark at medium details, 8600M GT with GDDR2 (20 FPS) beats 7900M GTX (17 FPS). My dead** ASUS G1S laptop has a faster 8600M GT with GDDR3.

Due to RSX's common G7X design flaws,PS3 needs to use 6 SPEs.

**Dead 8600M GT GPU due to bump gate. ASUS has exchanged the mainboard with ASUS G1Sn's mainboard i.e. includes Geforce 9500M GS (revised 8600M GT core). Some luckly ASUS G1S owners has a free upgrade to ASUS G50 i.e.ASUSrunout of ASUS G1Sn mainboard stock.

Geforce 7900M GTX matches NVIDIA RSX's clock speed and shader topology. GeForce 7800 GTX (desktop)'s clock speed is around 430Mhz which is slower than Geforce 7900M GTX. From Sony's whitepaper on deferred shading, 5 SPEs are roughly matches GeForce 7800 GTX. You estimate the effective power of PS3.

GeForce 7800 GTX 512 model has 550Mhz clock speed.

There are a lot of good direct-feed gameplay UC3 images in this thread (the facial closeups are cutscenes):

http://forums.naughtydog.com/t5/General-Discussion/Uncharted-3-AMAZING-VISUALS-LOADS-OF-SCREENSHOTS-SPOILERS/td-p/647865

WARNING: Only look if you want to spoil a good amount of the game for yourself

Of the pictures, this one is my favorite gameplay pic:

holy crap ogees, looks amazing in pic, yes UC3 is the console graphics king no question. Nothing else matches it in graphics.White_Dreams

You sound an awful lot like TintedEyes.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

PC has virtual memory (i.e. sleeping programs page to hard disk) and DX10 3DC+/DX11 BC6(HDR)/DX11 BC7(LDR) hardware texture compression formats.

Xbox 360 only has 3DC+ while PS3 only has older DX9c era hardware texture compression formats.

The new hardware texture compression formats optimizes memory usage and bandwidth.

tormentos

Yes it has.

But is funny how 5 or 6 years ago,2GB of memory was consider allot,now is consider low,and you see this system with 4GB minimun most of the time,ram is always need it is the main reason why virtual memory page and put programs to sleep,working windows 7 with 256 MB is not a pretty thing if it even possible.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

8600 GT is faster than 7800 GTX in complex shader programs.

7800 GTX still has superior ROPs (raster operations) i.e. greater than 8 ROP units. NVIDIA RSX only has 8 ROP units and shader clock speed like Geforce 7900M GTX i.e. 500 Mhz.

Geforce 7900M GTX

Geforce 8600M GT

In Crysis 1 PC GPU benchmark at medium details, 8600M GT with GDDR2 (20 FPS) beats 7900M GTX (17 FPS). My dead** ASUS G1S laptop has a faster 8600M GT with GDDR3.

Due to RSX's common G7X design flaws,PS3 needs to use 6 SPEs.

**Dead 8600M GT GPU due to bump gate. ASUS has exchanged the mainboard with ASUS G1Sn's mainboard i.e. includes Geforce 9500M GS (revised 8600M GT core). Some luckly ASUS G1S owners has a free upgrade to ASUS G50 i.e.ASUSrunout of ASUS G1Sn mainboard stock.

ronvalencia

Geforce 7900M GTX matches NVIDIA RSX's clock speed and shader topology. GeForce 7800 GTX (desktop)'s clock speed is around 430Mhz which is slower than Geforce 7900M GTX.

GeForce 7800 GTX 512 model has 550Mhz clock speed.