Uncharted 3 - Console GRAPHICS KING (56k)

Simple rule here.. NO HUD NO LEGIT!!! People need to remember this because the last GeoW3 vs UC3 comparison thread people were posting no actual game-play pics of UC3 they were just posting bullshots and cut-scenes.

Those are supposed to look good? :?

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Light bounces, shadows soften, stuff is illuminated by indirect lighting. Shadows aren't just a black sheet you lay over everything. Gears 3 uses a Global Illumination system called lightmass.

tormentos

NO all you see is dark places,the characters had not shadow and on that angle they should dude is pretty easy to see.

Those are supposed to look good? :?

cain006

[QUOTE="cain006"]

Those are supposed to look good? :?

White_Dreams

Simple rule here.. NO HUD NO LEGIT!!! People need to remember this because the last GeoW3 vs UC3 comparison thread people were posting no actual game-play pics of UC3 they were just posting bullshots and cut-scenes.

o0HAPPY0o

[QUOTE="White_Dreams"][QUOTE="cain006"]

Those are supposed to look good? :?

cain006

[QUOTE="White_Dreams"][QUOTE="cain006"]

Those are supposed to look good? :?

cain006

From Sony's whitepaper on deferred shading, 5 SPEs are roughly matches GeForce 7800 GTX. You estimate the effective power of PS3.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"] Dude those are laptop GPU which are completely different from the desktop versions.RyviusARC

Geforce 7900M GTX matches NVIDIA RSX's clock speed and shader topology. GeForce 7800 GTX (desktop)'s clock speed is around 430Mhz which is slower than Geforce 7900M GTX.

GeForce 7800 GTX 512 model has 550Mhz clock speed.

Should I post Geforce 7's design flaw list again? For example, you instantly lose compute performance when you use heavy 32 bit FP math on Geforce 7.

Anyway, PS3 doesn't use desktop Geforce 7 i.e. it's closer to Geforce 7900M GTX core with Geforce 7600 GT GDDR3 memory bandwidth and ROPs.

Wrong again. This is really getting old having to correct everything you say. Any multiplat can run on PC with 2gigs of RAM just fine. Heck you could squeeze it down to 1 gig of RAM on most occasions. Most multiplats only use between 350-650mbs of RAM and the OS can make room to use only around 250-300 mbs of RAM once it allocates the other stuff to the game which has higher priority.RyviusARC

Minimum for BF3.

RAM: 2GB system

Graphic card: DirectX 10 or 11 compatible Nvidia or AMD ATI card, ATI Radeon 3870 or higher, Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT or higher.Graphics card memory: 512 MB

Recomended.

RAM: 4GB system

Graphics card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 or ATI Radeon 6950.

Graphics card memory: 1 GB

Rage minimum

Memory: 2GB system

Rage recomended.

Memory: 4GB system.

I wonder if i wasn't right why the recomende system ram on both Rage and BF3 is 4GB of system ram alone,funny that is not counting the video ram,even with virtual memory,games demand allot of system memory on PC thanks to windows.

Anyway, PS3 doesn't use desktop Geforce 7 i.e. it's closer to Geforce 7900M GTX core with Geforce 7600 GT GDDR3 memory bandwidth and ROPs.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]From Sony's whitepaper on deferred shading, 5 SPEs are roughly matches GeForce 7800 GTX. You estimate the effective power of PS3.RyviusARC

For Unreal Engine 3 workloads (deferred shading renderer). Geforce 8600 GTS beat Geforce 7900 GTX.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

Wrong again. This is really getting old having to correct everything you say. Any multiplat can run on PC with 2gigs of RAM just fine. Heck you could squeeze it down to 1 gig of RAM on most occasions. Most multiplats only use between 350-650mbs of RAM and the OS can make room to use only around 250-300 mbs of RAM once it allocates the other stuff to the game which has higher priority.tormentos

Minimum for BF3.

RAM: 2GB system

Graphic card: DirectX 10 or 11 compatible Nvidia or AMD ATI card, ATI Radeon 3870 or higher, Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT or higher.Graphics card memory: 512 MB

Recomended.

RAM: 4GB system

Graphics card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 or ATI Radeon 6950.

Graphics card memory: 1 GB

Rage minimum

Memory: 2GB system

Rage recomended.

Memory: 4GB system.

I wonder if i wasn't right why the recomende system ram on both Rage and BF3 is 4GB of system ram alone,funny that is not counting the video ram,even with virtual memory,games demand allot of system memory on PC thanks to windows.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]From Sony's whitepaper on deferred shading, 5 SPEs are roughly matches GeForce 7800 GTX. You estimate the effective power of PS3.ronvalencia

For Unreal Engine 3 workloads (deferred shading renderer). Geforce 8600 GTS beat Geforce 7900 GTX.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Anyway, PS3 doesn't use desktop Geforce 7 i.e. it's closer to Geforce 7900M GTX core with Geforce 7600 GT GDDR3 memory bandwidth and ROPs.RyviusARC

NVidia GeForce GTX 260M actually uses G92b core which is the same as Geforce 8800/9800 family. RSX has a slightly faster shaders i.e. 500Mhz vs 7800gtx's 430Mhz.

PS; I don't work with GPU marketing names.

I don't understand how you could see those character models and lighting and suggests it looks bad. That seems like crazy hyperbole.White_Dreams

Oh and for that picture on the second page, look at the thing holding the water, the ground, and the pots. Pretty bad textures. And the wall texture isn't that great, they just did a great job with the lighting there.

That is one game. Some games may run better but others do not.

RyviusARC

Unreal Engine 3 powers multiple games.

Reasons on why NVidia RSX/Geforce 7 is an aging GPU design from Beyond 3D

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"I could go on for pages listing the types of things the spu's are used for to make up for the machines aging gpu, which may be 7 series NVidia but that's basically a tweaked 6 series NVidia for the most part. But I'll just type a few off the top of my head:"

1) Two ppu/vmx units
There are three ppu/vmx units on the 360, and just one on the PS3. So any load on the 360's remaining two ppu/vmx units must be moved to spu.

2) Vertex culling
You can look back a few years at my first post talking about this, but it's common knowledge now that you need to move as much vertex load as possible to spu otherwise it won't keep pace with the 360.

3) Vertex texture sampling
You can texture sample in vertex shaders on 360 just fine, but it's unusably slow on PS3. Most multi platform games simply won't use this feature on 360 to make keeping parity easier, but if a dev does make use of it then you will have no choice but to move all such functionality to spu.

4) Shader patching
Changing variables in shader programs is cake on the 360. Not so on the PS3 because they are embedded into the shader programs. So you have to use spu's to patch your shader programs.

5) Branching
You never want a lot of branching in general, but when you do really need it the 360 handles it fine, PS3 does not. If you are stuck needing branching in shaders then you will want to move all such functionality to spu.

6) Shader inputs
You can pass plenty of inputs to shaders on 360, but do it on PS3 and your game will grind to a halt. You will want to move all such functionality to spu to minimize the amount of inputs needed on the shader programs.

7) MSAA alternatives
Msaa runs full speed on 360 gpu needing just cpu tiling calculations. Msaa on PS3 gpu is very slow. You will want to move msaa to spu as soon as you can.

8 ) Post processing
360 is unified architecture meaning post process steps can often be slotted into gpu idle time. This is not as easily doable on PS3, so you will want to move as much post process to spu as possible.

9) Load balancing
360 gpu load balances itself just fine since it's unified. If the load on a given frame shifts to heavy vertex or heavy pixel load then you don't care. Not so on PS3 where such load shifts will cause frame drops. You will want to shift as much load as possible to spu to minimize your peak load on the gpu.

10) Half floats
You can use full floats just fine on the 360 gpu. On the PS3 gpu they cause performance slowdowns. If you really need/have to use shaders with many full floats then you will want to move such functionality over to the spu's.

11) Shader array indexing
You can index into arrays in shaders on the 360 gpu no problem. You can't do that on PS3. If you absolutely need this functionality then you will have to either rework your shaders or move it all to spu.

NVIDIA's "The Way It's Meant To be Played" for G7Xera GPUs would try to avoid the above issues. For modern GPU workloads, it can't be avoided, hence NVIDIA included thedesign fixes with G80.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Anyway, PS3 doesn't use desktop Geforce 7 i.e. it's closer to Geforce 7900M GTX core with Geforce 7600 GT GDDR3 memory bandwidth and ROPs.ronvalencia

NVidia GeForce GTX 260M actually uses G92b core which is the same as Geforce 8800/9800 family.

PS; I don't work with GPU marketing names.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

That is one game. Some games may run better but others do not.

ronvalencia

Unreal Engine 3 powers multiple games.

Reasons on why NVidia RSX/Geforce 7 is an aging GPU design from Beyond 3D

------------------------

"I could go on for pages listing the types of things the spu's are used for to make up for the machines aging gpu, which may be 7 series NVidia but that's basically a tweaked 6 series NVidia for the most part. But I'll just type a few off the top of my head:"

1) Two ppu/vmx units
There are three ppu/vmx units on the 360, and just one on the PS3. So any load on the 360's remaining two ppu/vmx units must be moved to spu.

2) Vertex culling
You can look back a few years at my first post talking about this, but it's common knowledge now that you need to move as much vertex load as possible to spu otherwise it won't keep pace with the 360.

3) Vertex texture sampling
You can texture sample in vertex shaders on 360 just fine, but it's unusably slow on PS3. Most multi platform games simply won't use this feature on 360 to make keeping parity easier, but if a dev does make use of it then you will have no choice but to move all such functionality to spu.

4) Shader patching
Changing variables in shader programs is cake on the 360. Not so on the PS3 because they are embedded into the shader programs. So you have to use spu's to patch your shader programs.

5) Branching
You never want a lot of branching in general, but when you do really need it the 360 handles it fine, PS3 does not. If you are stuck needing branching in shaders then you will want to move all such functionality to spu.

6) Shader inputs
You can pass plenty of inputs to shaders on 360, but do it on PS3 and your game will grind to a halt. You will want to move all such functionality to spu to minimize the amount of inputs needed on the shader programs.

7) MSAA alternatives
Msaa runs full speed on 360 gpu needing just cpu tiling calculations. Msaa on PS3 gpu is very slow. You will want to move msaa to spu as soon as you can.

8 ) Post processing
360 is unified architecture meaning post process steps can often be slotted into gpu idle time. This is not as easily doable on PS3, so you will want to move as much post process to spu as possible.

9) Load balancing
360 gpu load balances itself just fine since it's unified. If the load on a given frame shifts to heavy vertex or heavy pixel load then you don't care. Not so on PS3 where such load shifts will cause frame drops. You will want to shift as much load as possible to spu to minimize your peak load on the gpu.

10) Half floats
You can use full floats just fine on the 360 gpu. On the PS3 gpu they cause performance slowdowns. If you really need/have to use shaders with many full floats then you will want to move such functionality over to the spu's.

11) Shader array indexing
You can index into arrays in shaders on the 360 gpu no problem. You can't do that on PS3. If you absolutely need this functionality then you will have to either rework your shaders or move it all to spu.

And? Point is benchmarks can swing many ways depending on the game. Like how the 8600gt performs in these benchmarks.

RyviusARC

Prey uses an old 3D engine i.e. based on id Tech 4. Also Geforce 8600 GT comes in GDDR2 and GDDR3 varaints.

Geforce 7600's ROP unit count is same as Geforce 8600 GT.

And? Point is benchmarks can swing many ways depending on the game. Like how the 8600gt performs in these benchmarks.

RyviusARC

With "Call of Duty 4", theG84 core smacks G70 core.

PC requirements are over exaggerated. Never trust themRyviusARC

Funny they have been spot on with my cards,when they say my card would not cut it,it did not neither did my system.

So you want me to take your word,over the words of the developer of the game who actually tested the game in different setups.?

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

And? Point is benchmarks can swing many ways depending on the game. Like how the 8600gt performs in these benchmarks.

ronvalencia

wow, you guys take this seriously, i see charts, graphs, i'm sure people have been modded, jeez, there is no such thing as a true graphics king, its all subjective, chillax bros

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"] PC requirements are over exaggerated. Never trust themtormentos

Funny they have been spot on with my cards,when they say my card would not cut it,it did not neither did my system.

So you want me to take your word,over the words of the developer of the game who actually tested the game in different setups.?

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"] PC requirements are over exaggerated. Never trust themtormentos

Funny they have been spot on with my cards,when they say my card would not cut it,it did not neither did my system.

So you want me to take your word,over the words of the developer of the game who actually tested the game in different setups.?

Tech smartassery and benchmark spamming? *checks browser* no, I'm not at the guru3d forums...what the hell's going on?

Is this supposed to be a joke? Just look at the settings...... I am pretty much done arguing with you. We both made our points and anything more is a waste of time.

RyviusARC

What joke? You can use the same web site and look for higher settings.

From the same web site,

Call of Duty 4 v1.6 Fraps/Shock and Awe
(1920x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF, max. Quality)

G84 core: 21.80 FPS

G70 core: 16.00 FPS

Mass Effect (Unreal Engine 3)
Fraps/Virmire
(1280x1024, 4xAA, Game AF, Ultra Quality)

G84 core:20.90 FPS

G70 core: 0 FPS, can't do MSAA + HDR FP at the same time. The same hardware limitation transfered to PS3 hence MLAA or LogLUV workarounds.

Half Life 2 Episode 2
TH-Timedemo
(1680x1050, 4xAA, 8xAF, Very High Quality)

G84 core:39.30 FPS

G70 core:32.00 FPS

PS; Geforce 8600 GTS guarantees the use of GDDR3. Geforce 8600 GT can use GDDR2 or GDDR3.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This never gets old :roll:

Anyway, visually, even Zelda SS > UC3 sooo, just sayin. :twisted:

SecretPolice

:P

I agree, especially with that god tier lighting..it's really special and a sight to behold. Heil68

Yeah, it's the best looking console game, but I really hate the loading issues. Sometimes scenes don't triger, I fall down because a part of the level isn't loaded, textures pop up really late, the video stops and I need to pause until it catched up with the sound, the sound sometimes stops, treasures sometimes need 1-2 minutes to show up, ... I love the game but I would have taken a graphically less appealing game that runs good than that :S

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I agree, especially with that god tier lighting..it's really special and a sight to behold. Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Heil68"]I agree, especially with that god tier lighting..it's really special and a sight to behold. Heil68

There's something wrong with those pictures they are way too sharp.

Interesting how this thread devolved into two people arguing about a small difference in power between a 8600gt and 7800gtx.

ferret-gamer

I didn't started it i.e. I know the type workloads that would slow down G7X type GPUs.

There are reasons why Fold @ Home GPU1 wasn't released for G7X.

I completed it last night, and it certainly does look great.

Simple rule here.. NO HUD NO LEGIT!!! People need to remember this because the last GeoW3 vs UC3 comparison thread people were posting no actual game-play pics of UC3 they were just posting bullshots and cut-scenes.

o0HAPPY0o

The hud in gears has always disappeared if you don't shoot for a few seconds.

Also it's funny, when it's pc game vs pc game you get people yelling "lawl stop comparing textures"

When it's console games people are examining textures with a magnifying glass.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Cool beans. Gears 3 looks better

Phazevariance

Gears 3 = UC3

Neither looks way better than the other.

Both look like garbage though compared to PC games.

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

I think it's up there with Crysis 2, BF3, Gears 3 and UC2. What it all comes down to is which presentation & artstyle you prefer.

Of all console games I think I'm actually in favour of GOW3 (as in God of war). It might not be up there technically but the presentation and artwork is nice.

I don't really like the graphics in either Killzone or Gears. The UC series is a little bit better though but it doesn't have anything that really defines it's artstyle, also a bit cartoonish for my taste.

Crysis 2 is technically very impressive but I don't like the look of it. BF3 has a very realistic approach and it's hard to go wrong with that, a bit tasteless yes but still strong about what it's trying to achieve.

BlbecekBobecek

No, its up there with Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, Killzone 3 and God of War 3.

Gears 3 has no AA, suffers from screen tearing and framerate drops, Crysis 2 console version suffers from some very bad framerate drops and screen tearing and Battlezone 3 is the absolute graphics king on PC, but the console ports look pretty bad.