Uncharted 3 DID NOT sell 3.8 mill to cutomers CONFIRMED!!

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#101 ianuilliam
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I'm trying to understand why shipped numbers are fine for everything 360 related, and unacceptable for anything PS3 related.

Pug-Nasty

Honestly, I thought we had reached a point where it was understood sell in numbers were the only reliable numbers to go by. That's why the official hardware total counts used around here are only updated every 3 months... using sell in numbers from the fiscals. Hell, we use sell in numbers for worldwide software totals too, at least for Sony and Nintendo... For MS, we have no idea about software totals, because they don't report them at all.

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#102 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="Austindro"]

I love how cows are backing out of this as if it was not that big of deal. Today was great day for ownage, I missed half of it though. :(

ianuilliam

I wonder... is it the same cows who have been saying, all along, that the whole sell in or sell through argument was not that big a deal?

So now that the actually argument is over, we're going to argue about who was and wasn't mad. :lol: Just another savage day in System Wars.
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#103 shinrabanshou
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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I'm trying to understand why shipped numbers are fine for everything 360 related, and unacceptable for anything PS3 related.

MFDOOM1983

You have to be more specific than that. What games are you talking about?

The Forza series, for one.

And quarterly hardware numbers in general.

Microsoft tend to release sell-through numbers for Halo and Gears, though.

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#104 kbanna
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"You got a little... right there... bro, you got a little mad on your face"

And just out of curiosity, what am I mad about?? this whole thing was proven to be a lie , I started off calling it a lie, and somehow im mad that...it turned out to be a lie?? You got a little bitterness in your swag bro. Your still here in a thread I started about this whole situation being un true, Where you at right now with yours? Im good, still on the same page Ive been on.

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#105 ianuilliam
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"You got a little... right there... bro, you got a little mad on your face"

And just out of curiosity, what am I mad about?? this whole thing was proven to be a lie , I started off calling it a lie, and somehow im mad that...it turned out to be a lie?? You got a little bitterness in your swag bro. Your still here in a thread I started about this whole situation being un true, Where you at right now with yours? Im good, still on the same page Ive been on.

kbanna

Apparently you are mad, because Sony didn't lie. :o

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#106 Lionheart08
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How the hell would Sony get the numbers for sold to customers in the first place? It's obviously sold to retailers...which is what Sony cares about.

Chutebox

Which makes the shipped vs sold debate really odd. Even if it wasn't exactly 3.8 million customers who bought the game, Sony/Naughty Dog has already profitted from the amount that was shipped. It only becomes an issue when the copies are shipped and just sit on shelves.

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#107 kbanna
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"Apparently you are mad, because Sony didn't lie"

Haha...stop trying to rewrite history. There is a huge thread on the front page of the forum...maybe youve seen it is says, "Ign confirms Uncharted 3.8 million sold to customers" this thread is a direct reponse to that one because...that is a lie. Sony, Ign , who ever the quote came from was lying. I'm sorry. Your Franchise just does not have that kind of day one selling power. It never has. And when level headed people tried to point this out they were attacked. This is why that same Ign editor had to do a triple take andconfirm it was not sold to cutomers. You know what happened.

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#108 ianuilliam
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"Apparently you are mad, because Sony didn't lie"

Haha...stop trying to rewrite history. There is a huge thread on the front page of the forum...maybe youve seen it is says, "Ign confirms Uncharted 3.8 million sold to customers" this thread is a direct reponse to that one because...that is a lie. Sony, Ign , who ever the quote came from was lying. I'm sorry. Your Franchise just does not have that kind of day one selling power. It never has. And when level headed people tried to point this out they were attacked. This is why that same Ign editor had to do a triple take andconfirm it was not sold to cutomers. You know what happened.

kbanna

Ok... So either IGN lied, or, and this is far more likely, there was a miscommunication between the guy from SCEE and IGN. Even before the IGN clarification, people were screaming about Sony lying. If announcing sell-in figures as sold is a lie, then every company is guilty of it. Sony didn't lie, at any point, during this whole story. Keep on hatin'.

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#109 kbanna
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"Ok... So either IGN lied, or, and this is far more likely, there was a miscommunication between the guy from SCEE and IGN. Even before the IGN clarification, people were screaming about Sony lying. If announcing sell-in figures as sold is a lie, then every company is guilty of it. Sony didn't lie, at any point, during this whole story. Keep on hatin'."

No one is hatin. You would love that. There was nothing accomplished and therefore nothing to hate on. It did not sell the numbers they claimed. You were probably up with the rest hoping the news was true and now start turning to silly tactics like stating "people are mad" and are "hating" cause in actuality you are the one who is upset its not true. Like I said before this thread was created to point out, even as ign reported that news, that it could not be true because common sense tells you that franchise never sold those types of numbers. Its not hating....its fact. Keep on diverting from the topic an soon we can all forget you and all the other Ps3 fans who started this. Thats your plan right??

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#110 kbanna
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"Sony didn't lie"

Thats all you care about?? lol, someone sure did

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#111 ianuilliam
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"Ok... So either IGN lied, or, and this is far more likely, there was a miscommunication between the guy from SCEE and IGN. Even before the IGN clarification, people were screaming about Sony lying. If announcing sell-in figures as sold is a lie, then every company is guilty of it. Sony didn't lie, at any point, during this whole story. Keep on hatin'."

No one is hatin. You would love that. There was nothing accomplished and therefore nothing to hate on. It did not sell the numbers they claimed. You were probably up with the rest hoping the news was true and now start turning to silly tactics like stating "people are mad" and are "hating" cause in actuality you are the one who is upset its not true. Like I said before this thread was created to point out, even as ign reported that news, that it could not be true because common sense tells you that franchise never sold those types of numbers. Its not hating....its fact. Keep on diverting from the topic an soon we can all forget you and all the other Ps3 fans who started this. Thats your plan right??

kbanna

True or false: Sony sold 3.8 million copies of Uncharted 3 on or before launch day?

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#112 delta3074
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doesn't matter, game will definitly sell well and it deserves too, i don't personally like UC games but a good game is a good game regardless,people should be happy if a game on any system sells well, keeps the money rolling in the games industry and helps to secure our favorite past time,ironically i was at the midnight sale for skyrim and the manager at my local gameststion was saying that they had way more customers that night than they did at the gears 3 midnight sale, very suprised by that one actually.
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#113 landofcookies
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It was only a matter of time. Everybody knew 3.8 mln in 24 hours for U3 is... IMPOSSIBLE.
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#114 Pokemon266
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who cares uncharted 3 will sell all of the 3.8m in a few weeks anyways so sony will have to ship another 3.8m out after that :)

uncharted 3 will end up with around 7million sales with gears

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#115 loosingENDS
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"Jesus, what a confusing morning with Uncharted 3. Sony confirms that the 3.8 million is sold-in. That's not sold to consumers"

Just reconfirmed from IGN...Final word

kbanna

Of course, no game has ever sold 4 million in 24 hours, not even 10 games combined

But i doubt anyone suggested this was sold to customers

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#116 loosingENDS
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who cares uncharted 3 will sell all of the 3.8m in a few weeks anyways so sony will have to ship another 3.8m out after that :)

uncharted 3 will end up with around 7million sales with gears

Pokemon266

It may come close, but would never surpass Gears 3

Like Uncharted 1-2 did not surpass Gears 1-2

It is just that the setting in Gears is so amazing and unique and is not just an indiana jones like setup, all the cool monsters and bosses make for the amazing sales

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#117 waltefmoney
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True or false: Sony sold 3.8 million copies of Uncharted 3 on or before launch day?

ianuilliam

False. Sony SHIPPED 3.8 million copies of Uncharted 3 on or before launch day.

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#118 loosingENDS
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doesn't matter, game will definitly sell well and it deserves too, i don't personally like UC games but a good game is a good game regardless,people should be happy if a game on any system sells well, keeps the money rolling in the games industry and helps to secure our favorite past time,ironically i was at the midnight sale for skyrim and the manager at my local gameststion was saying that they had way more customers that night than they did at the gears 3 midnight sale, very suprised by that one actually.delta3074

Indeed, if you see it from that perspective it is good

On the other hand i would not like every game try to immitate Gears and Uncharted success and all games become a day rent in gameplay hours and simplistic linear shooting in linear levels

Hopefull games like Dark SOuls never stop beeing made, no matter how they sell

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#119 balfe1990
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It was only a matter of time. Everybody knew 3.8 mln in 24 hours for U3 is... IMPOSSIBLE.landofcookies

:lol:

Weren't you the TC of the thread that originally reported all this from IGN?

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#120 Pokemon266
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[QUOTE="Pokemon266"]

who cares uncharted 3 will sell all of the 3.8m in a few weeks anyways so sony will have to ship another 3.8m out after that :)

uncharted 3 will end up with around 7million sales with gears

loosingENDS

It may come close, but would never surpass Gears 3

Like Uncharted 1-2 did not surpass Gears 1-2

It is just that the setting in Gears is so amazing and unique and is not just an indiana jones like setup, all the cool monsters and bosses make for the amazing sales

you cant honestly compare?? uncharted's sales have been rising at a faster rate then gears

uncharted 1 sold 3.9m while gears 1 sold 6.3m

uncharted 2 sold 5m gears 2 sold 6.2m

can you see how rapidly uncharted sales are rising and with ps3 outselling xbox every week and will proberly be ahead of world wide sales by early next year uncharted 3 can easily sell 7m plus with a 56m install bae and will be around 60 something m next year

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#121 waltefmoney
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I'm trying to understand why shipped numbers are fine for everything 360 related, and unacceptable for anything PS3 related.

Pug-Nasty

Posting shipped numbers is fine, everyone does it. Comparing shipped numbers to actual sales on the other hand is not.

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#122 LustForSoul
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That would've been more than 10 times than UC2 sold first day. For a little while I believed it though, since there were so many reports on it.
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#123 KiZZo1
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Just to put things a bit in perspective, Batman AC shipped 4.6 million on two platforms.

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#124 musalala
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Just to put things a bit in perspective, Batman AC shipped 4.6 million on two platforms.

KiZZo1

and it sold 2 million of those 4.6 million

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/10/batman-arkham-city-sells-2-million-copies-in-first-week.html

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#125 KiZZo1
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

Just to put things a bit in perspective, Batman AC shipped 4.6 million on two platforms.

musalala

and it sold 2 million of those 4.6 million

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/10/batman-arkham-city-sells-2-million-copies-in-first-week.html

And that puts it among the industry's fastest sellers (quoted from your article) ...

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#126 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

True or false: Sony sold 3.8 million copies of Uncharted 3 on or before launch day?

waltefmoney

False. Sony SHIPPED 3.8 million copies of Uncharted 3 on or before launch day.

Nah, it's true. Sony did sell 3.8 million. We don't know how many of that sold through to consumers, and probably won't ever for sure, unless Sony makes another statement about sell-through, but the 3.8 million were sold. We will have an estimate of how many sold through in UK, US, and Japan, either weekly or monthly, for as long as the game is in the top 20 in those regions.

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#128 heretrix
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Damn, that reminds me I got to finish UC3 before Skyrim arrives.

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#129 KiZZo1
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oh come on ian, you are just playing semantics now. you know what the score is here, incidentally MW3 SOLD (To customers) In the UK and US ALONE in ONE DAY 6.5 million copies, wowsers.sts106mat

Wow, you used the highest selling multiplat for ownage?

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#131 ianuilliam
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oh come on ian, you are just playing semantics now. you know what the score is here, incidentally MW3 SOLD (To customers) In the UK and US ALONE in ONE DAY 6.5 million copies, wowsers.sts106mat
I'm having a good time here. My beef is that some people are talking about cows getting owned, because its shipped not sold, and saying Sony lied and downplaying it as meaning nothing because they aren't sold. Sony didn't lie. They referred to sell in as sold, which is what all companies do, unless they are specifically making a point of saying sold through. Those copies were sold. Sony can't just willy-nilly ship them out and say "Oh, we sold 4 million!" They sent out what retailers bought, based on how fast they expect it to move due to preorders, market research, etc.People always laugh at sales discussions, saying sales only matter to Sony/MS/Nintendo; if that's true, sell in is what matters. Those 3.8 have been bought and paid for, and the revenue added to Sony's books. If the only people that sales should matter to are the companies, then the only people sell-through should matter to are Walmart, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc.

3.8 million day one sell in on one platform is great, and puts it on track to be amongst the years best selling games, which is exactly what Sony said. Someone posted a link about Batman a bit ago, that said it had 4.6 or something sell in, and 2 million sell through in one week, on two platforms, making it one of the industries best seling games. We don't know the sell through for Uncharted yet, but anyway you look at it, 3.8 million day one sell in for a single platform is huge. How many games, outside CoD, have been higher than that on 360 or PS3? Halo games, GT, maybe Gears? Possibly GTA? Less than a dozen games altogether? I mean, we don't know, but I'd say it's pretty safe to say it's less than 5% of games released, which puts Uncharted in a pretty elite club.

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#132 Austindro
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^ Most lems were not arguing that it did not have good sales. They were saying it did not sell as well as Gears/Halo, which is it what cows were implying by using shipped numbers. Uncharted 3 is a great game and will continue to sell well, only a fanboy/fakeboy will say otherwise.

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#133 kbanna
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"I'm having a good time here. My beef is that some people are talking about cows getting owned, because its shipped not sold, and saying Sony lied and downplaying it as meaning nothing because they aren't sold. Sony didn't lie. They referred to sell in as sold, which is what all companies do, unless they are specifically making a point of saying sold through. Those copies were sold. Sony can't just willy-nilly ship them out and say "Oh, we sold 4 million!" They sent out what retailers bought, based on how fast they expect it to move due to preorders, market research, etc.People always laugh at sales discussions, saying sales only matter to Sony/MS/Nintendo; if that's true, sell in is what matters. Those 3.8 have been bought and paid for, and the revenue added to Sony's books. If the only people that sales should matter to are the companies, then the only people sell-through should matter to are Walmart, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc.

3.8 million day one sell in on one platform is great, and puts it on track to be amongst the years best selling games, which is exactly what Sony said. Someone posted a link about Batman a bit ago, that said it had 4.6 or something sell in, and 2 million sell through in one week, on two platforms, making it one of the industries best seling games. We don't know the sell through for Uncharted yet, but anyway you look at it, 3.8 million day one sell in for a single platform is huge. How many games, outside CoD, have been higher than that on 360 or PS3? Halo games, GT, maybe Gears? Possibly GTA? Less than a dozen games altogether? I mean, we don't know, but I'd say it's pretty safe to say it's less than 5% of games released, which puts Uncharted in a pretty elite club."

Uncharted is not on the same level as Gears and Halo in sales. Its just a fact. All Sony manged to do was sell 3.8 games to stores. "Lems" never bragged about this number they bragged about the number of units sold to the end user. This is why when Microsoft comes out and states Halo is the biggest launch in history etc they are not talking about units shipped sitting in a store somewhere. They are saying that 3.3 people bought the game and are playing it online. You are delusional if you think that "stupid lems "argument" about Gears outselling all PS3exclusives finally" has been put to rest.

This game has not sold close to Gears numbers to actual consumers, if it did Sony would of bragged about the biggest exclusive launch in this generation...that did not happen did it? Use yur common sense. When Micro said Gear sold 3 mill in a week, 3 mill people were online and the NPD reflected 2m GEARS SOLD TO CUTOMERS. in the USaloneYou guys are too desperate. How is this series , which had ok to lackluters sales in the past launches just gonna shoot up to Halo COD numbers overnite?? No midnight launch party, no hype, not mentioned on any news channels anywhere, and it just out sells other games who had that level of hype in the past years? NPD is coming and I would be shocked if this game breaks a million over here must less the rest of the world. Bragg about selling to stores if you want, cant argue that. But dont try to say it sold Gears levels to cutomers cause its not close

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#134 kbanna
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"and saying Sony lied"

Sorry for the huge quote in the other post. I said that Ign editor lied because he made it a point to come back and update with "Sony confirmed this is sold to customers" . I said then, and still maintain, that if the sell thru was even close to that , it would of been the largest exclusive launch this gen....not surprisingly that claim never popped up anywhere on the net. They sold it to stores, Gears and Halo sell it to customers. Thats why there are mid nite launch parties , hype etc around those games launches and non of that happened for this game

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#135 DireOwl
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"and saying Sony lied"

Sorry for the huge quote in the other post. I said that Ign editor lied because he made it a point to come back and update with "Sony confirmed this is sold to customers" . I said then, and still maintain, that if the sell thru was even close to that , it would of been the largest exclusive launch this gen....not surprisingly that claim never popped up anywhere on the net. They sold it to stores, Gears and Halo sell it to customers. Thats why there are mid nite launch parties , hype etc around those games launches and non of that happened for this game

kbanna

Yes IGN are the ones who lied. Although Sony is not an angel in this either. The purposely mislead people. They are well aware that the average person does not now the difference between sell-in and sell-through. They just wanted people to think "ZOMG Uncharted 3 sold 3.8 mil!? Peoples lov it!!!1! What am I mizzingz?! Imma go get it NAO!!!11!" or something to that meaning.

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#136 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="kbanna"]

"and saying Sony lied"

Sorry for the huge quote in the other post. I said that Ign editor lied because he made it a point to come back and update with "Sony confirmed this is sold to customers" . I said then, and still maintain, that if the sell thru was even close to that , it would of been the largest exclusive launch this gen....not surprisingly that claim never popped up anywhere on the net. They sold it to stores, Gears and Halo sell it to customers. Thats why there are mid nite launch parties , hype etc around those games launches and non of that happened for this game

DireOwl

Yes IGN are the ones who lied. Although Sony is not an angel in this either. The purposely mislead people. They are well aware that the average person does not now the difference between sell-in and sell-through. They just wanted people to think "ZOMG Uncharted 3 sold 3.8 mil!? Peoples lov it!!!1! What am I mizzingz?! Imma go get it NAO!!!11!" or something to that meaning.

Personally, I'm still leaning towards their being a misunderstanding between the SCEE rep and the IGN editor. I try not to assume the worst of people and accuse them of lying when there's a perfectly plausible explanation otherwise. But are we all agreeing now that Sony wasn't lying?

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#137 DireOwl
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[QUOTE="DireOwl"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

"and saying Sony lied"

Sorry for the huge quote in the other post. I said that Ign editor lied because he made it a point to come back and update with "Sony confirmed this is sold to customers" . I said then, and still maintain, that if the sell thru was even close to that , it would of been the largest exclusive launch this gen....not surprisingly that claim never popped up anywhere on the net. They sold it to stores, Gears and Halo sell it to customers. Thats why there are mid nite launch parties , hype etc around those games launches and non of that happened for this game

ianuilliam

Yes IGN are the ones who lied. Although Sony is not an angel in this either. The purposely mislead people. They are well aware that the average person does not now the difference between sell-in and sell-through. They just wanted people to think "ZOMG Uncharted 3 sold 3.8 mil!? Peoples lov it!!!1! What am I mizzingz?! Imma go get it NAO!!!11!" or something to that meaning.

Personally, I'm still leaning towards their being a misunderstanding between the SCEE rep and the IGN editor. I try not to assume the worst of people and accuse them of lying when there's a perfectly plausible explanation otherwise. But are we all agreeing now that Sony wasn't lying?

Well, I can't speak for everyone but I don't think they were out right lying. Stretching the truth yes, but lying no.

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#139 ActicEdge
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Anyone with a bit of deductive reasoning would be able to guess this is not to consumers.

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#140 Austindro
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[QUOTE="kbanna"]

"Jesus, what a confusing morning with Uncharted 3. Sony confirms that the 3.8 million is sold-in. That's not sold to consumers"

Just reconfirmed from IGN...Final word

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I'll get modded for this but oh well. The idea that you had to make another thread and then post it in mostly caps proves your the stupidest person on gamespot. Idiots like you make me not wanna read the threads. Nothing confirmed either you moron! Sorry that your so immature that you had to make another thread.

He did that bc people were still confused in the other thread bc the tc will not change the thread title. You come off as much more immature than he does, gratz.

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#141 KiZZo1
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What's true is true. It's only sell in.

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#142 kbanna
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"I'll get modded for this but oh well. The idea that you had to make another thread and then post it in mostly caps proves your the stupidest person on gamespot. Idiots like you make me not wanna read the threads. Nothing confirmed either you moron! Sorry that your so immature that you had to make another thread"

And yet your here...in my thread. HAHAHA dont be mad bro you still have GT5. Guess its ok when PS3 fans make two threads.... Oh well